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Thread started 03/11/13 1:58pm

Genesia

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NY judge overturns Nanny Bloomberg's Big Gulp ban

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Reply #1 posted 03/11/13 2:02pm

Timmy84

Yeah I just read that! hah!

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Reply #2 posted 03/11/13 2:27pm

Nothinbutjoy

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It was ridiculous anyway.

Spend the time, energy and resources on something that might actually work.

I'm firmly planted in denial
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Reply #3 posted 03/11/13 2:30pm

Genesia

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Nothinbutjoy said:

It was ridiculous anyway.

Spend the time, energy and resources on something that might actually work.

How about letting people decide for themselves what they want to eat and drink?

Meanwhile, he might address the fact that 80% of those who graduate from NYC public schools can't read.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #4 posted 03/11/13 2:42pm

TD3

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Genesia said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

It was ridiculous anyway.

Spend the time, energy and resources on something that might actually work.

How about letting people decide for themselves what they want to eat and drink?

Meanwhile, he might address the fact that 80% of those who graduate from NYC public schools can't read.

Now, you are asking too much. Bloomberg can tackle the soda pop, headphones, and sugary lollipops crisises... it shows off his "leadership" skills.

lol

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Reply #5 posted 03/11/13 3:04pm

Nothinbutjoy

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Genesia said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

It was ridiculous anyway.

Spend the time, energy and resources on something that might actually work.

How about letting people decide for themselves what they want to eat and drink?

Meanwhile, he might address the fact that 80% of those who graduate from NYC public schools can't read.

Exactly!

I didn't mean a law telling people what they should do, rather work on REAL issues.

I'm firmly planted in denial
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Reply #6 posted 03/11/13 3:30pm

Timmy84

Genesia said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

It was ridiculous anyway.

Spend the time, energy and resources on something that might actually work.

How about letting people decide for themselves what they want to eat and drink?

Meanwhile, he might address the fact that 80% of those who graduate from NYC public schools can't read.

And just think when I said that he was "power trippin'", that didn't go with the status quo of those who agreed with his policies.

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Reply #7 posted 03/11/13 3:33pm

XxAxX

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yay! good sense prevails. better late than never...

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Reply #8 posted 03/11/13 4:22pm

Efan

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Genesia said:

Meanwhile, he might address the fact that 80% of those who graduate from NYC public schools can't read.

This isn't true.

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Reply #9 posted 03/11/13 4:31pm

TD3

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*double post*

[Edited 3/11/13 16:33pm]

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Reply #10 posted 03/11/13 4:33pm

TD3

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TD3 said:

Efan said:

This isn't true.

Surprisingly it is.


http://frontpagemag.com/2...-spending/

http://newyork.cbslocal.c...-colleges/

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Reply #11 posted 03/11/13 4:34pm

Efan

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TD3 said:

Efan said:

This isn't true.

Surprisingly it is.


http://frontpagemag.com/2...-spending/

Ironically, it's not. And if the journalists who had first reported this misleading story, and the outlets who keep reposting it without actually reading and researching it, had actually been able to read and comprehend what they were mistakenly reporting, this story wouldn't have been misreported the way it has been.

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Reply #12 posted 03/11/13 4:36pm

Timmy84

^ And just what is the real story because no one has really explained it except for what they were told.

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Reply #13 posted 03/11/13 4:37pm

Efan

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No, 80 Percent of NYC High School Graduates Are Not Illiterate

An unfortunate story on CBS ...k Thursday carried this headline: "Officials: 80 Percent Of Recent NYC High School Graduates Cannot Read." It's a shocker, but it's also untrue. And to make things worse, the story that followed was riddled with typos. According to the New York Post, which reported the same story earlier on Thursday, "79.3 percent of city public-school grads who went to CUNY’s six two-year colleges arrived without having mastered the basics" of reading, writing, and math, and had to take non-credit remedial classes to catch up. That's not good, but to say 80 percent of high school graduates can't read is stretching things. Eight-year-old Harry Potter fans probably haven't mastered the skills to do college-level work either, but they can still read.

Nowhere in CBS New York's story does it support the headline's claim. Rather, like the Post, it reports that "80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University’s community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work."

Link here: http://nymag.com/daily/in...erate.html

And then there's this explanation from one of the commenters on the same page, which fleshes this out much better:

I’ve been debunking this ALL DAY LONG!!! (I guess there are people who can’t read, but they are mostly the ones quoting this statistic – and misunderstanding what it means.)

That CBS article is misleading at best and wrong at worst.

It’s not that 80% of NYC public school students need remediation. Only 80% of students who attend CUNY 2 year community colleges need remediation. Kids who go on to 4 year colleges at CUNY or any SUNY school, or any OTHER school in the country are not part of that cohort!

That number is even LESS shocking when you find out that people entering ANY CUNY school who are deemed to need remediation are forced to first enroll in a 2 year community college. This skews the percentage by putting a disproportionate number of students in the CUNY community colleges in the group that needs remediation – because the university PUT them there!!! They are a tiny fraction of students at CUNY as a whole, and a very small fraction of students graduating from NYC public schools. (70,000 kids graduate from NYC public schools each year.)

That number is FURTHER diluted when you realize that a huge number of people attending CUNY community colleges are returning students. That means that they didn’t just graduate from high school. They might have graduated from high school 10 or 20 years ago!

One more error in this question – the vast majority of students who are placed in remedial classes are NOT there for reading! They are there for math, mostly because CUNY has unrealistic expectations in math. (Perhaps if they worried less about how much algebra people knew and worried more about how much they knew about statistics, I wouldn’t read misinformed questions like this, or misinformed news stories like the one from CBS news!)
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Reply #14 posted 03/11/13 4:39pm

Timmy84

^ Well excuse me New York students... more of a rush job... still doesn't explain why Bloomberg keeps spending on those schools though.

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Reply #15 posted 03/11/13 4:40pm

TD3

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Efan said:

TD3 said:

Surprisingly it is.


http://frontpagemag.com/2...-spending/

Ironically, it's not. And if the journalists who had first reported this misleading story, and the outlets who keep reposting it without actually reading and researching it, had actually been able to read and comprehend what they were mistakenly reporting, this story wouldn't have been misreported the way it has been.

By all means explain the statistical error.

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Reply #16 posted 03/11/13 4:43pm

Efan

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TD3 said:

Efan said:

Ironically, it's not. And if the journalists who had first reported this misleading story, and the outlets who keep reposting it without actually reading and researching it, had actually been able to read and comprehend what they were mistakenly reporting, this story wouldn't have been misreported the way it has been.

By all means explain the statistical error.

I just did.

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Reply #17 posted 03/11/13 4:48pm

TD3

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Efan said:

TD3 said:

By all means explain the statistical error.

I just did.

We must have been typing and posting at the same time, thanks Efan. biggrin

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Reply #18 posted 03/11/13 4:55pm

Efan

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TD3 said:

Efan said:

I just did.

We must have been typing and posting at the same time, thanks Efan. biggrin

biggrin No worries. I wasn't sure if you had seen that post of mine.

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Reply #19 posted 03/11/13 5:09pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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Efan said:

Genesia said:

Meanwhile, he might address the fact that 80% of those who graduate from NYC public schools can't read.

This isn't true.

it can not be true.

"Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!"
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Reply #20 posted 03/11/13 5:13pm

TD3

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Timmy84 said:

^ Well excuse me New York students... more of a rush job... still doesn't explain why Bloomberg keeps spending on those schools though.

School system budgets do have cost increases for health/employee salaries, school materials, and school maintenance.

People place the majority of the blame for children failing on teacher's. In my opinion the biggest culprits for our educational failures are the politicians, school administrator's, parents.

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Reply #21 posted 03/11/13 5:17pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:

^ Well excuse me New York students... more of a rush job... still doesn't explain why Bloomberg keeps spending on those schools though.

School system budgets do have cost increases for health/employee salaries, school materials, and school maintenance.

People place the majority of the blame for children failing on teacher's. In my opinion the biggest culprits for our educational failures are the politicians, school administrator's, parents.

Yeah. So Bloomberg ain't getting away with that...

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Reply #22 posted 03/12/13 7:00am

uPtoWnNY

King Bloomberg also changed the rules so he could run for another term. That tells you all you need to know.

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Reply #23 posted 03/12/13 8:35am

Timmy84

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King Bloomberg also changed the rules so he could run for another term. That tells you all you need to know.

That dude's an ass...lol

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Reply #24 posted 03/12/13 1:50pm

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If people want to drink a bottle full of sugar and chemicals and it makes them happy, let them! It's nobody's business! Cheers! absolut

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Reply #25 posted 03/12/13 1:58pm

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I wonder if all the people who were so pro-legislation are having second thoughts?

http://prince.org/msg/100...?&pg=1

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Reply #26 posted 03/12/13 3:00pm

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PurpleJedi said:

I wonder if all the people who were so pro-legislation are having second thoughts?

http://prince.org/msg/100...?&pg=1

I am always amazed that people would accept having the government taking away freedoms.

Soda's or guns or who we can get married to... it is one thing to not be bothered or not care too much about a specific example but to openly support the loss of liberty without a deeply compelling reason is beyond me.

think of the lies told to pass obamacare (yes flat out lies)...that we have the RIGHT to have health insurance.... no we don't and the law proves we do not.

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Reply #27 posted 03/12/13 3:00pm

Timmy84

PurpleJedi said:

I wonder if all the people who were so pro-legislation are having second thoughts?

http://prince.org/msg/100...?&pg=1

I know, right?

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Reply #28 posted 03/13/13 10:47am

Dalia11

I do not like that Bloomberg is being a (Dick- tator) about what Adults should eat/drink. The Judge did the right thing to overturn the soda ban.

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Reply #29 posted 03/23/13 3:49am

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Genesia said:

Meanwhile, he might address the fact that 80% of those who graduate from NYC public schools can't read.

..."those who graduate" is the operable term, indeed (because a large number of NYC's youth don't).


Then, many of those graduates who are able to read are only reading on about a 4th or 5th grade level, and are only able to write in #Twitterese. Neither are they able to solve simple math equations. Moreover, I rarely come across anyone that seems to think this is unusual.

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