SeventeenDayze said:

Tremolina said:

HA! Exactly what is part of the deal? There is no deal because I put his dirty laundry out there for the whole city to see! It got out of hand but some of it's his fault and some it's my fault.

The deal is that you get a lot of darkness in return of little light.

SeventeenDayze said:

Deadflow3r said:

Given all the advice here and your response to it it seems that both you and the pastor like drama.

Maybe you can find some other outlet for all of this energy.

I have seen this on the org before; someone in a clear cut case that doesn't want the situation resolved because then they would have to move on with their life.

One lady was a 30 year old teenager who clearly was fully supported by her parents but wantec us to feel bad for her because they wanted a say in how she spent the money they gave her etc. We told her get a job, an apartment move out and buy some big girl panties. If you keep acting like a child you will keep being treated like one.

NO WAY did she want to hear "take responsibility".

Next we had a reverse situation. An orger living with grown children who told her off and a husband that may be cheating on her. We said. Time to cut those children loose. Give them a goodbye date and stick to it or you will be supporting them for life. Confront husband about any lady friends who are calling you up to ask if you are o.k. with him tricking himself out.

NO WAY did she want to hear "take action".

We are all telling you the same thing.

This is an embarassing situation for you and most people would have run out of town. However you like the attention and the drama. It will not be until you are legally forced to get the hell away and stay away that you leave.

Your response made me laugh out loud because I remember a sermon once where he was talking about when he was in college. He was telling us about how he was always right in the middle of drama. He said anytime that there was any sort of drama, he was always in it! LOL!

Before everything got ugly between us, someone else told me that this pastor loves attention and is a very lonely person whose wife is basically putting on a show. Maybe me showing him a bit of attention really got under his skin?

Well, he has loads of attention now because I put him all the way on blast and so many people around the city have read my emails that I'm sure he hates me on one hand but loves me on another hand because at the end of the day, he's getting attention from me...lol

you may be extremely right about this man but this is the problem;

A woman will always take the blame

ESPECIALLY where christians are concerned.

no matter what she is the virgin, you are the whore and he is the poor man stuck in the middle.

Sooooo

Would you rather be right or sane?

LOOSING your wits is like breaking your back; it may mend back but you will never be the same.

Deadflow3r said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Your response made me laugh out loud because I remember a sermon once where he was talking about when he was in college. He was telling us about how he was always right in the middle of drama. He said anytime that there was any sort of drama, he was always in it! LOL!

Before everything got ugly between us, someone else told me that this pastor loves attention and is a very lonely person whose wife is basically putting on a show. Maybe me showing him a bit of attention really got under his skin?

Well, he has loads of attention now because I put him all the way on blast and so many people around the city have read my emails that I'm sure he hates me on one hand but loves me on another hand because at the end of the day, he's getting attention from me...lol

you may be extremely right about this man but this is the problem;

A woman will always take the blame

ESPECIALLY where christians are concerned.

no matter what she is the virgin, you are the whore and he is the poor man stuck in the middle.

Sooooo

Would you rather be right or sane?

LOOSING your wits is like breaking your back; it may mend back but you will never be the same.

well, I don't know if it's a matter of being "right or sane" but I am really sick of high-ranking assholes taking advantage of their position of authority and mistreating others. I am a nobody in this town so I can always just disappear back into obscurity. He can try to make me out to be a villanness whore if he wants to but hey that's how this whole mess started. This guy basically is getting away with bullshit because he has a "big name" money and power, etc. I am sick of it. He's the 1 percent who poses like he's some kind of hero for working class and poor folks, it's a fucking joke.

I just got a response from the office of the denomination saying that their office doesn't handle this type of thing. Pfff. My response to them was, "So, tell me what you guys do when there's a conflict between the pastor and a clergy/ex-clergy". I want those morons to tell me that they aren't gonna do shit.

It's just unreal how much "leaders" get away with these days.

i'm gonna co sign a bunch of others in the thread and say that this is mutually invoked (and enjoyed) drama, and that you should exit the church immediately and find a body of faith that is more concerned with your spiritual progress than a leaders vanity. (*note* - i'm not talking about the building, i'm talking about the collective of people..if you have already phsyically left the church but still communicate with its clergy, you have NOT left the church.)

my father is a pastor and i have been around many "men of cloth". it is natural (in any setting) for a man in a leadership position to appear attractive to the women he is charged with leading. unfortunatley, it is also natural for many so called leaders to abuse it.

i hold the "sherpard" responsibile because i have a little insight on what his true responsibility is - human/imperfect or not - and as your elder, it was his resposiblity to steer you clear of this matter no matter how implicit you may have been or are being. but he is fallible, and you also hold resposibility, as do we all for our lot.

if you really wish for this to change i would love to speak with you at length because i actually do believe (perhaps foolishly) i could help you get some clarity from this.. i may even be the perfect person to talk to..

if you are enjoying the spectacle/ tsunami of emotional tension however, have fun- but be warned that the waves we make crash back on us..

AndrePatrone said:

i'm gonna co sign a bunch of others in the thread and say that this is mutually invoked (and enjoyed) drama, and that you should exit the church immediately and find a body of faith that is more concerned with your spiritual progress than a leaders vanity. (*note* - i'm not talking about the building, i'm talking about the collective of people..if you have already phsyically left the church but still communicate with its clergy, you have NOT left the church.)

my father is a pastor and i have been around many "men of cloth". it is natural (in any setting) for a man in a leadership position to appear attractive to the women he is charged with leading. unfortunatley, it is also natural for many so called leaders to abuse it.

i hold the "sherpard" responsibile because i have a little insight on what his true responsibility is - human/imperfect or not - and as your elder, it was his resposiblity to steer you clear of this matter no matter how implicit you may have been or are being. but he is fallible, and you also hold resposibility, as do we all for our lot.

if you really wish for this to change i would love to speak with you at length because i actually do believe (perhaps foolishly) i could help you get some clarity from this.. i may even be the perfect person to talk to..

if you are enjoying the spectacle/ tsunami of emotional tension however, have fun- but be warned that the waves we make crash back on us..

purplethunder3121 said:

AndrePatrone said:

i'm gonna co sign a bunch of others in the thread and say that this is mutually invoked (and enjoyed) drama, and that you should exit the church immediately and find a body of faith that is more concerned with your spiritual progress than a leaders vanity. (*note* - i'm not talking about the building, i'm talking about the collective of people..if you have already phsyically left the church but still communicate with its clergy, you have NOT left the church.)

my father is a pastor and i have been around many "men of cloth". it is natural (in any setting) for a man in a leadership position to appear attractive to the women he is charged with leading. unfortunatley, it is also natural for many so called leaders to abuse it.

i hold the "sherpard" responsibile because i have a little insight on what his true responsibility is - human/imperfect or not - and as your elder, it was his resposiblity to steer you clear of this matter no matter how implicit you may have been or are being. but he is fallible, and you also hold resposibility, as do we all for our lot.

if you really wish for this to change i would love to speak with you at length because i actually do believe (perhaps foolishly) i could help you get some clarity from this.. i may even be the perfect person to talk to..

if you are enjoying the spectacle/ tsunami of emotional tension however, have fun- but be warned that the waves we make crash back on us..

The longer I live, the more I am starting to think that I am just not meant to have a typical "husband and kids" life. By now, I think I am okay with that. It seems like hell anyway...

Seems like no matter what, I just don't have that "chip" in my head that can deal with the drama and bullshit. When I get screwed over by a guy, I come back at him and up the ante. It seems like all I keep running into are the losers...

SeventeenDayze said:

purplethunder3121 said:

The longer I live, the more I am starting to think that I am just not meant to have a typical "husband and kids" life. By now, I think I am okay with that. It seems like hell anyway...

Seems like no matter what, I just don't have that "chip" in my head that can deal with the drama and bullshit. When I get screwed over by a guy, I come back at him and up the ante. It seems like all I keep running into are the losers...

Well. Maybe the notion that you attract a certain type is the start for change.

Change that you can only implement yourself.

Wish you the best.

dJJ said:

SeventeenDayze said:

The longer I live, the more I am starting to think that I am just not meant to have a typical "husband and kids" life. By now, I think I am okay with that. It seems like hell anyway...

Seems like no matter what, I just don't have that "chip" in my head that can deal with the drama and bullshit. When I get screwed over by a guy, I come back at him and up the ante. It seems like all I keep running into are the losers...

Well. Maybe the notion that you attract a certain type is the start for change.

Change that you can only implement yourself.

Wish you the best.

How in the world do I "attract a certain type"? I have never understood this concept of attracting certain types of men when I have nothing to do with who comes along in my life. I've never understood that line of thought because I guess I view things as more of "destiny" rather than control, hard to describe but thanks anyway

SeventeenDayze said:

dJJ said:

Well. Maybe the notion that you attract a certain type is the start for change.

Change that you can only implement yourself.

Wish you the best.

How in the world do I "attract a certain type"? I have never understood this concept of attracting certain types of men when I have nothing to do with who comes along in my life. I've never understood that line of thought because I guess I view things as more of "destiny" rather than control, hard to describe but thanks anyway

I believe in God's plan, or destiny or serendipity or whatever you want to call it as well, but I also believe we are gifted with choice and free will to decide very clearly what kind of people we will have take part inimately our lives. There are times when certain people enter our lives to teach a larger spiritual lesson on a grand scale, and it's up to us to decide to move on from those experiences with them healthier and wealthier in wisdom, or stay stuck in the quagmire of not having learned a thing, and having those same types of folk enter our lives again and again when spiritually we should have moved forward and evolved further.

Ottensen said:

SeventeenDayze said:

How in the world do I "attract a certain type"? I have never understood this concept of attracting certain types of men when I have nothing to do with who comes along in my life. I've never understood that line of thought because I guess I view things as more of "destiny" rather than control, hard to describe but thanks anyway

I believe in God's plan, or destiny or serendipity or whatever you want to call it as well, but I also believe we are gifted with choice and free will to decide very clearly what kind of people we will have take part inimately our lives. There are times when certain people enter our lives to teach a larger spiritual lesson on a grand scale, and it's up to us to decide to move on from those experiences with them healthier and wealthier in wisdom, or stay stuck in the quagmire of not having learned a thing, and having those same types of folk enter our lives again and again when spiritually we should have moved forward and evolved further.

Yeah that makes sense. Maybe my lesson here was to see how a pastor should NOT behave. I dunno. I don't understand how this guy would have the nerve to spread all these rumors, talk about me to anyone who would listen YET when he was around me he would be a bit distant at times. There were other times where he'd walk right up to me and we'd hug each other and say hello. Other times he seemed so uncomfortable around me. BUT, why the hell he decided to ruin my reputation is beyond me...oh well, the whole city knows about his BS now and I am a nobody in this town so that means I can just "disappear" in a way that he can't.

SeventeenDayze said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

People like him makes it bad for true believers, and he's suppossed to be an example, by his leadership. What leadership?

That's what is so fucked up about this whole thing. The shady lawyer called me two weeks after I filed the lawsuit and finally agreed to meet with me because I threatened to go to the media with the story because this pastor is a bit of a local celebrity where I live. Those assholes dropped everything and met with me the next day, whereas before they didn't want to meet and two weeks had already passed since I filed the lawsuit. I don't have a lawyer but I am a fast learner so I drafted the documents myself.

The first thing this guy does is deny everything (on top of that, he had two surprise guests at this meeting despite the fact the lawyer said it would be the three of us). So, I didn't have any witnesses with me and of course that means anything he said they would have denied for him because he's the boss. He's paying the lawyer and the other two folks he brought with him in that fucked up tribunal were his employees! He denied everything (and of course I didn't say everything that I knew at that time) and then basically told me because he's the pastor and well respected in the community that it would be "difficult" for him for me to still be there, WTF?

That's okay though because I put him all the way on blast and now city officials, donors, EVERYONE that he was cozy with in his upper crust society now know that he got entangled with some bullshit with a younger, black woman. Yeah trust me, he was digging a ditch for me but got his own ass caught in it, believe me on that.

I think he just wanted me all to himself in some kind of strange way but perhaps didn't know how to get me directly. And to the poster who wrote that he isolated me to make sure the others resented me is absolutely right! He asked me to do a particular project at the church and so I did it and did it well. I later found out that the person who normally does that project was on the brink of being FIRED from that position, I had no idea at the time. So, it made sense why she stopped talking to me altogether because of that....this guy was doing this and I had no clue. There's no telling WHAT he told other people about me there....that's how the lawsuit happened.

Sorry to say this, but you've made your bed, lie in it. Get you a lawyer, and witness, if you can or just drop this whole thing, and go on with your life. Learn from it, please.

Tremolina said:

SeventeenDayze said:

HA! Exactly what is part of the deal? There is no deal because I put his dirty laundry out there for the whole city to see! It got out of hand but some of it's his fault and some it's my fault.

The deal is that you get a lot of darkness in return of little light.

Definitely, the short end of the stick.

KoolEaze said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

People like him makes it bad for true believers, and he's suppossed to be an example, by his leadership. What leadership?

Well, first of all, he obviously has game if he´s married and a pastor and still knows how to attract females, so there´s that. You can´t be a leader if your testosterone levels are low. He seems to be a charming, hot looking, charismatic dude, plus he´s got great hair even though he´s no longer in his 30s.

Ronald Reagan had leadership qualities and a full head of hair.

And, most of all, he´s spreading the love. Obviously because he´s got so much of it deep inside and he´s not stingy, and what better way is there to make this world a better place than to spread some love?

He shouldn´t have talked about it though...a gentleman does not kiss and tell. He should´ve kept it on the downlow, because nobody has to know.

That was a bitch move on his behalf.

He's definitely using his qualities for the wrong reason. Then that probably explain why Jesus wasn't handsome, but charismatic nevertheless. His looks would have been a distraction to the flesh and soul, when his aim was to touch the spirit. The way I see it.

dJJ said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

People like him makes it bad for true believers, and he's suppossed to be an example, by his leadership. What leadership?

If you take care of yourself and trust your own judgement on your personal values, than you will not need the leadership of somebody else.

Why does anybody need a leader to bond with God?

A person who claims to speak words as God's is just an arrogant person.

No human being can claim to know the truth about God better than anybody else.

Since when does God plays favorites? And since when can a human being raise himself to the same level as God?

There will allways be bad people and good people. And everybody has a mixture of the bad and good. It's your own responsebility to create an environment that enhances the good in you and where you don't need to use the bad in you.

If you give that responsibility in the hands of somebody else that you will allow to be your leader, than you put yourself in risk.

I see your point, and do believe in what you're saying. Therefore, certain people out there needs discernment, and understand the pimp game, so they would not fall into this ridiculous trap.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

dJJ said:

If you take care of yourself and trust your own judgement on your personal values, than you will not need the leadership of somebody else.

Why does anybody need a leader to bond with God?

A person who claims to speak words as God's is just an arrogant person.

No human being can claim to know the truth about God better than anybody else.

Since when does God plays favorites? And since when can a human being raise himself to the same level as God?

There will allways be bad people and good people. And everybody has a mixture of the bad and good. It's your own responsebility to create an environment that enhances the good in you and where you don't need to use the bad in you.

If you give that responsibility in the hands of somebody else that you will allow to be your leader, than you put yourself in risk.

I see your point, and do believe in what you're saying. Therefore, certain people out there needs discernment, and understand the pimp game, so they would not fall into this ridiculous trap.

Yeah I decided to send some of those angry emails to the national HQ of the denomination since the local people want to cover up for him. We'll see what happens now, LOL!

For those of you who haven't been keeping up with the X-rated love letter post, here's something to read. I'm the scum of the earth for wanting this guy but I can't help it. I've been attracted to this man for two years and the last 8-9 months have been the most punishing of them all!

___________________________________________________________________________________

In every corner of my sexual mind, the thoughts of tasting you, scratching you and riding you for hours makes me feel so delighted. I'm guilty of Pastorbation...

SeventeenDayze said:

For those of you who haven't been keeping up with the X-rated love letter post, here's something to read. I'm the scum of the earth for wanting this guy but I can't help it. I've been attracted to this man for two years and the last 8-9 months have been the most punishing of them all!

___________________________________________________________________________________

In every corner of my sexual mind, the thoughts of tasting you, scratching you and riding you for hours makes me feel so delighted. I'm guilty of Pastorbation...

The thoughts of stroking you and watching you tremble in a moment of heated passion give me third degree sexual burns!

Cold showers are not cure for the incessant, dirty images of you that roam from my mind to every part of my body. Pastorbation is a sin-filled cancer. I'm on life support and defenseless...

When I pastorbate, your cum runneth over from my lips, to my hips and beyond...

You're not scum of the earth for wanting him, you're just stupid.

V10LETBLUES said:

pastorbation. lol You sound pleased with yourself. You seem to be basking in it. not that there's a need for remorse, but I sense glee.

Hahaha, glee, funny

Stymie said:

SeventeenDayze said:

For those of you who haven't been keeping up with the X-rated love letter post, here's something to read. I'm the scum of the earth for wanting this guy but I can't help it. I've been attracted to this man for two years and the last 8-9 months have been the most punishing of them all!

___________________________________________________________________________________

In every corner of my sexual mind, the thoughts of tasting you, scratching you and riding you for hours makes me feel so delighted. I'm guilty of Pastorbation...

The thoughts of stroking you and watching you tremble in a moment of heated passion give me third degree sexual burns!

Cold showers are not cure for the incessant, dirty images of you that roam from my mind to every part of my body. Pastorbation is a sin-filled cancer. I'm on life support and defenseless...

When I pastorbate, your cum runneth over from my lips, to my hips and beyond...

You're not scum of the earth for wanting him, you're just stupid.

Don´t be so rude. Dude has great hair.

KoolEaze said:

Stymie said:

You're not scum of the earth for wanting him, you're just stupid.

Don´t be so rude. Dude has great hair.

Exactly, now you get the point

SeventeenDayze said:

KoolEaze said:

Don´t be so rude. Dude has great hair.

Exactly, now you get the point

Oh, I totally get it. See my replies #42 and #70.

So, tell us, what does his hair look like? Curly? S-Curl? Long? Short? Perm? Does he look like a celebrity?

You go girl!

KoolEaze said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Exactly, now you get the point

Oh, I totally get it. See my replies #42 and #70.

So, tell us, what does his hair look like? Curly? S-Curl? Long? Short? Perm? Does he look like a celebrity?

You go girl!

Thick, medium brown hair....doesn't look like any celebs but his hair is great. Now, the only problem is, does this guy have a spine? He seems like the type who throws stones and hides his hands...which is a bit of a drawback but hey, he's got great hair! LOL

SeventeenDayze said:

Deadflow3r said:

you may be extremely right about this man but this is the problem;

A woman will always take the blame

ESPECIALLY where christians are concerned.

no matter what she is the virgin, you are the whore and he is the poor man stuck in the middle.

Sooooo

Would you rather be right or sane?

LOOSING your wits is like breaking your back; it may mend back but you will never be the same.

well, I don't know if it's a matter of being "right or sane" but I am really sick of high-ranking assholes taking advantage of their position of authority and mistreating others. I am a nobody in this town so I can always just disappear back into obscurity. He can try to make me out to be a villanness whore if he wants to but hey that's how this whole mess started. This guy basically is getting away with bullshit because he has a "big name" money and power, etc. I am sick of it. He's the 1 percent who poses like he's some kind of hero for working class and poor folks, it's a fucking joke.

I just got a response from the office of the denomination saying that their office doesn't handle this type of thing. Pfff. My response to them was, "So, tell me what you guys do when there's a conflict between the pastor and a clergy/ex-clergy". I want those morons to tell me that they aren't gonna do shit.

It's just unreal how much "leaders" get away with these days.

OK, if you have this level of resentment how are you at the same time so turned on that you can't get him out of your head.

you love this!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SeventeenDayze said:

well, I don't know if it's a matter of being "right or sane" but I am really sick of high-ranking assholes taking advantage of their position of authority and mistreating others. I am a nobody in this town so I can always just disappear back into obscurity. He can try to make me out to be a villanness whore if he wants to but hey that's how this whole mess started. This guy basically is getting away with bullshit because he has a "big name" money and power, etc. I am sick of it. He's the 1 percent who poses like he's some kind of hero for working class and poor folks, it's a fucking joke.

I just got a response from the office of the denomination saying that their office doesn't handle this type of thing. Pfff. My response to them was, "So, tell me what you guys do when there's a conflict between the pastor and a clergy/ex-clergy". I want those morons to tell me that they aren't gonna do shit.

It's just unreal how much "leaders" get away with these days.

OK, if you have this level of resentment how are you at the same time so turned on that you can't get him out of your head.

you love this!

Exactly! Victim and perpetrator at the same time.

Stymie said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

OK, if you have this level of resentment how are you at the same time so turned on that you can't get him out of your head.

you love this!

Exactly! Victim and perpetrator at the same time.

Let's just be glad it's not Munchousen by Proxy!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Stymie said:

Exactly! Victim and perpetrator at the same time.

Let's just be glad it's not Munchousen by Proxy!

Hell, it's some of that, too!!!

Stymie said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Let's just be glad it's not Munchousen by Proxy!

Hell, it's some of that, too!!!

quick, someone hide the kids!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Stymie said:

Hell, it's some of that, too!!!

quick, someone hide the kids!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SeventeenDayze said:

well, I don't know if it's a matter of being "right or sane" but I am really sick of high-ranking assholes taking advantage of their position of authority and mistreating others. I am a nobody in this town so I can always just disappear back into obscurity. He can try to make me out to be a villanness whore if he wants to but hey that's how this whole mess started. This guy basically is getting away with bullshit because he has a "big name" money and power, etc. I am sick of it. He's the 1 percent who poses like he's some kind of hero for working class and poor folks, it's a fucking joke.

I just got a response from the office of the denomination saying that their office doesn't handle this type of thing. Pfff. My response to them was, "So, tell me what you guys do when there's a conflict between the pastor and a clergy/ex-clergy". I want those morons to tell me that they aren't gonna do shit.

It's just unreal how much "leaders" get away with these days.

OK, if you have this level of resentment how are you at the same time so turned on that you can't get him out of your head.

you love this!

Hey, what makes you think I love this? You guys are hilarious