Seems interesting..Whats your take on their point of view? (The pirates)

I know someone who knows that guys mother.

I would love to see this doco for sure, it's a rivetting story

kewlschool said:

Seems interesting..Whats your take on their point of view? (The pirates)

Like all downloading of copyrighted material, I think it's illegal. There really isn't a valid argument against that concept. Not the way the laws are written now, anyway.

I'm for how they have affected "big business", against how that trickles down to the pocket books of hard working artists, many of whom are barely making enough money to keep working at their chosen craft these days.

I'm for the way they, and others who have written code for FTP, P2P and BitTorrent file sharing, have helped changed the way the world acquires and views various forms of entertainment. I'm saddened that more distributors, big and small, have not adapted quickly enough, choosing to go after file sharers and programmers with their money instead of developing new ways to distribute content and inspire consumers to spend instead of download.

I think one of the great, mostly unnoticed benefits of the entire process is how much more the average consumer knows about copyrights, contracts and the business side of music, movies and various printed materials. Unfortunately, knowing hasn't helped the little man, the artist, to make any more money. The vast majority of the all entertainment industries are still run by a small number of mostly clueless rich men, while the artists still make pennies on the dollar. Knowing that, for the most part, has not encouraged people to seek out ways to buy more directly from the artists, even though many of them are making an effort to own their material and have a hand in distributing it themselves. Sadly, most of the smallest labels are now getting crushed by postal rates, or are already in bed with larger labels through distribution deals. And consumers would rather go to iTunes, "because it's easy", than seek out an alternative website, even though said website could very well be run with money coming directly from the artists pockets.

I buy vinyl, CDs and blu-rays. I use the Pirate Bay, SLSK and DC++.

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ZombieKitten said:

I know someone who knows that guys mother.

I would love to see this doco for sure, it's a rivetting story

As you would expect, it's goint to be available for download for free. I'll update this thread when it's out.

Cerebus said:

kewlschool said:

Seems interesting..Whats your take on their point of view? (The pirates)

Like all downloading of copyrighted material, I think it's illegal. There really isn't a valid argument against that concept. Not the way the laws are written now, anyway.

I'm for how they have affected "big business", against how that trickles down to the pocket books of hard working artists, many of whom are barely making enough money to keep working at their chosen craft these days.

I'm for the way they, and others who have written code for FTP, P2P and BitTorrent file sharing, have helped changed the way the world acquires and views various forms of entertainment. I'm saddened that more distributors, big and small, have not adapted quickly enough, choosing to go after file sharers and programmers with their money instead of developing new ways to distribute content and inspire consumers to spend instead of download.

I think one of the great, mostly unnoticed benefits of the entire process is how much more the average consumer knows about copyrights, contracts and the business side of music, movies and various printed materials. Unfortunately, knowing hasn't helped the little man, the artist, to make any more money. The vast majority of the all entertainment industries are still run by a small number of mostly clueless rich men, while the artists still make pennies on the dollar. Knowing that, for the most part, has not encouraged people to seek out ways to buy more directly from the artists, even though many of them are making an effort to own their material and have a hand in distributing it themselves. Sadly, most of the smallest labels are now getting crushed by postal rates, or are already in bed with larger labels through distribution deals. And consumers would rather go to iTunes, "because it's easy", than seek out an alternative website, even though said website could very well be run with money coming directly from the artists pockets.

I buy vinyl, CDs and blu-rays. I use the Pirate Bay, SLSK and DC++.

Our family business being "the little man" himself, and by being a consumer who regularly funds projects by bands I like on KickStarter, I feel like I'm right in the middle of it here.

I BUY and support independent music in every way I can from the artist's own websites (ie FDeluxe, Wendy & Lisa, Kishi Bashi, Dweezil Zappa) where I can although I am not a music consumer really, every now and again get some tunes from iTunes. A lot of music I have is gifted to me by friends. The amount of money I spent as a youth buying cassettes and then all the albums again on CD - I could have bought a car or something with that

Cerebus said:

kewlschool said:

Seems interesting..Whats your take on their point of view? (The pirates)

Like all downloading of copyrighted material, I think it's illegal. There really isn't a valid argument against that concept. Not the way the laws are written now, anyway.

I'm for how they have affected "big business", against how that trickles down to the pocket books of hard working artists, many of whom are barely making enough money to keep working at their chosen craft these days.

I'm for the way they, and others who have written code for FTP, P2P and BitTorrent file sharing, have helped changed the way the world acquires and views various forms of entertainment. I'm saddened that more distributors, big and small, have not adapted quickly enough, choosing to go after file sharers and programmers with their money instead of developing new ways to distribute content and inspire consumers to spend instead of download.

I think one of the great, mostly unnoticed benefits of the entire process is how much more the average consumer knows about copyrights, contracts and the business side of music, movies and various printed materials. Unfortunately, knowing hasn't helped the little man, the artist, to make any more money. The vast majority of the all entertainment industries are still run by a small number of mostly clueless rich men, while the artists still make pennies on the dollar. Knowing that, for the most part, has not encouraged people to seek out ways to buy more directly from the artists, even though many of them are making an effort to own their material and have a hand in distributing it themselves. Sadly, most of the smallest labels are now getting crushed by postal rates, or are already in bed with larger labels through distribution deals. And consumers would rather go to iTunes, "because it's easy", than seek out an alternative website, even though said website could very well be run with money coming directly from the artists pockets.

I buy vinyl, CDs and blu-rays. I use the Pirate Bay, SLSK and DC++.

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Great. I never download music/movie/shows for free that can be bought other wise. I know that writers are screwed more than anybody. Especially music writers (Who don't perform) who get paid by the unit sold. If a majority steal their music, how do they get paid? In short , they don't.

Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act:

That law extended copyright terms from 50 years after the life of an author and 70 years in the case of corporations, to 70 years beyond the life of an author and 95 years in the case of corporations. About 98% of copyrighted works lose their value between year 55 and year 75 of protection, we know who has profited from the law – large, multinational media companies like Disney, Fox and NBC-Universal, who maintain a vise-like grip on works that should have belonged to the public years ago. Suffice it to say that the Sonny Bono Act was nothing more than corporate welfare for big copyright holders. The obvious, we need Copyright reform.

The greater good probably would have been served if the founders of Pirate Bay formed alliances with others (worldwide) who are calling on Copyright reform. We should all be concerned about the tactics used against Pirate Bay and Megaupload, because in my opinion their rights of due process were trampled upon. The same political forces who went after these two file sharing networks are calling for law enforcement to have unilateral powers to remove content from the Web.

Artist need to become more business minded because if they don't they will forever be screwed.

Musicians have never organized to fight for their shit, that's been a major problem. Hell, hire some of these young adults in Silicon Valley or from Pirate Bay / Megaupload to create a distribution platform to sale their music. They can't keep whining about being ripped off. How is that working?

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TD3 said:

Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act:

That law extended copyright terms from 50 years after the life of an author and 70 years in the case of corporations, to 70 years beyond the life of an author and 95 years in the case of corporations. About 98% of copyrighted works lose their value between year 55 and year 75 of protection, we know who has profited from the law – large, multinational media companies like Disney, Fox and NBC-Universal, who maintain a vise-like grip on works that should have belonged to the public years ago. Suffice it to say that the Sonny Bono Act was nothing more than corporate welfare for big copyright holders. The obvious, we need Copyright reform.

The greater good probably would have been served if the founders of Pirate Bay formed alliances with others (worldwide) who are calling on Copyright reform. We should all be concerned about the tactics used against Pirate Bay and Megaupload, because in my opinion their rights of due process were trampled upon. The same political forces who went after these two file sharing networks are calling for law enforcement to have unilateral powers to remove content from the Web.

Artist need to become more business minded because if they don't they will forever be screwed.

Musicians have never organized to fight for their shit, that's been a major problem. Hell, hire some of these young adults in Silicon Valley or from Pirate Bay / Megaupload to create a distribution platform to sale their music. They can't keep whining about being ripped off. How is that working?

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It appears Prince has started.

Full documentary...

Many download options available here...

https://thepiratebay.se/search/tpb%20afk/0/99/0

Thanks! Watched it last night - plugged the ipad into the tv and watched from your link - very good quality

I found it hard to follow, the editing was too fast for me

ZombieKitten said:

Thanks! Watched it last night - plugged the ipad into the tv and watched from your link - very good quality

I found it hard to follow, the editing was too fast for me

I can plug my iPad into my tv?

Stymie said:

ZombieKitten said:

Thanks! Watched it last night - plugged the ipad into the tv and watched from your link - very good quality

I found it hard to follow, the editing was too fast for me

I can plug my iPad into my tv?

http://www.amazon.com/App...AV-Adapter-

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TD3 said:

Stymie said:

I can plug my iPad into my tv?

http://www.amazon.com/App...AV-Adapter-

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