imago said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

OKay, I really didn't want to bring this up

But didn't Prince start relationships with women underage?

You don't have to have any kind of sex to be guilty when it comes to

someone underage

Anna Fantastic & Mayte

Mayte claimed on Arsenio that she flew out to Minneapolis after she 'turned 18'.

This doesn't change the fact to me that she was carrying on a phone/online relationship with him at 16.

And Prince himself said several times the first he saw her (When she was 16) that it was "the woman he wanted to marry."

The provocative lyrics on the symbol album seems like he relished in the controversy.

yes, I guess the law (again) applies differently according to each state

I believe Anna Fantastic was sleeping in his bed/home/hotel room until (didn't Sheila E know about this?) she was 18yrs old, then he had sex with her: Vickie Waiting, 18 & Over, RU Legal Yet?

Statutory Rape Laws

^^ Whether it's legal or not, what is a man well into his 30s pursuing a 16 year old at all.

What does this say bout his mentality?

But, I'm convinced nobody really called him out because he was famous, and he was 'Prince'.

imago said:

^^ Whether it's legal or not, what is a man well into his 30s pursuing a 16 year old at all.

What does this say bout his mentality?

But, I'm convinced nobody really called him out because he was famous, and he was 'Prince'.

Men think it makes them look good. They are so cool, that young girls want him.

However, these men look as if they can't handle their mid-life crisis. And can't emotionally bond with somebody with a more equal maturity.

It's sad that so many guys try to become rich, so young girls will like them. They will only attrack gold diggers. It's a shame these guys don't fullfill their own emotional needs, but in stead think that happiness lies in having sex with children.

Prince was just among many rock musicians who celebrated the risk of dating a "sweet sixteen" girl. Some have gone even younger (Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page and, of course, Gary Glitter, who doesn't even wait for the girl to be 16 ). It brings up the "allure" of it. But I think no matter what profession, dating someone that young is suspicious. It definitely sounds like a midlife crisis for sure.

Timmy84 said:

Prince was just among many rock musicians who celebrated the risk of dating a "sweet sixteen" girl. Some have gone even younger (Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page and, of course, Gary Glitter, who doesn't even wait for the girl to be 16 ). It brings up the "allure" of it. But I think no matter what profession, dating someone that young is suspicious. It definitely sounds like a midlife crisis for sure.

Well, I do concede that at some point it's arbitrary emotionally--though not legally.

I mean, I've developed a taste for sex partners in their 20s....younger 20s.

But, I don't see them as soulmates.

imago said:

Timmy84 said:

Prince was just among many rock musicians who celebrated the risk of dating a "sweet sixteen" girl. Some have gone even younger (Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page and, of course, Gary Glitter, who doesn't even wait for the girl to be 16 ). It brings up the "allure" of it. But I think no matter what profession, dating someone that young is suspicious. It definitely sounds like a midlife crisis for sure.

Well, I do concede that at some point it's arbitrary emotionally--though not legally.

I mean, I've developed a taste for sex partners in their 20s....younger 20s.

But, I don't see them as soulmates.

There's some older dudes that dream of still having 18, 19-year-olds pursue them (and it doesn't matter if it's just money) because they wanna feel good. I hardly think anyone would pursue a really serious romance though, like you say, the goal is not to find a soulmate. They're just more concerned with their status so to speak.

Timmy84 said:

imago said:

Well, I do concede that at some point it's arbitrary emotionally--though not legally.

I mean, I've developed a taste for sex partners in their 20s....younger 20s.

But, I don't see them as soulmates.

There's some older dudes that dream of still having 18, 19-year-olds pursue them (and it doesn't matter if it's just money) because they wanna feel good. I hardly think anyone would pursue a really serious romance though, like you say, the goal is not to find a soulmate. They're just more concerned with their status so to speak.

Gotcha. I just like a nice toned bubble butt.

Anyways, I think this would make a great thesis.

Does fame have as much to do with getting a free pass, and does this extend to even the most unforgivable crimes? We know wealth and te ability to hire the right attorneys does. But Lindsay Lohan is mildly rich--not filthy rich, and girl has spent very little time in jail.

Though I wouldn't equate her to Gary Glitter.

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imago said:

Anyways, I think this would make a great thesis.

Does fame have as much to do with getting a free pass, and does this extend to even the most unforgivable crimes? We know wealth and te ability to hire the right attorneys does. But Lindsay Lohan is mildly rich--not filthy rich, and girl has spent very little time in jail.

Though I wouldn't equate her to Gary Glitter.

[Edited 2/1/13 9:14am]

There is a certain level of protection for those rich and famous.

Timmy84 said:

Prince was just among many rock musicians who celebrated the risk of dating a "sweet sixteen" girl. Some have gone even younger (Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page and, of course, Gary Glitter, who doesn't even wait for the girl to be 16 ). It brings up the "allure" of it. But I think no matter what profession, dating someone that young is suspicious. It definitely sounds like a midlife crisis for sure.

No one....and I mean NO ONE knew anything about taking a risk with underage teenage girls like Chuck Berry did.

And all of those girls that Chuck used to take outside of the southern states were all whtie. Remember, it was the 1950's!

lazycrockett said:

MJ.

Lawd, don't get em started here

Was there a time when a man 25 and over could take an 18 and under female for a wife in your countries (recent last 50yrs)?

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Prince was just among many rock musicians who celebrated the risk of dating a "sweet sixteen" girl. Some have gone even younger (Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page and, of course, Gary Glitter, who doesn't even wait for the girl to be 16 ). It brings up the "allure" of it. But I think no matter what profession, dating someone that young is suspicious. It definitely sounds like a midlife crisis for sure.

No one....and I mean NO ONE knew anything about taking a risk with underage teenage girls like Chuck Berry did.

And all of those girls that Chuck used to take outside of the southern states were all whtie. Remember, it was the 1950's!

The girl that sent Chuck to jail was Indian though? Apparently it's been alleged Chuck had no idea how old the girl was but I don't know. Chuck always struck me as a Chester anyway. This guy was like 30 writing and singing about songs only teens could relate to.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Prince was just among many rock musicians who celebrated the risk of dating a "sweet sixteen" girl. Some have gone even younger (Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page and, of course, Gary Glitter, who doesn't even wait for the girl to be 16 ). It brings up the "allure" of it. But I think no matter what profession, dating someone that young is suspicious. It definitely sounds like a midlife crisis for sure.

No one....and I mean NO ONE knew anything about taking a risk with underage teenage girls like Chuck Berry did.

And all of those girls that Chuck used to take outside of the southern states were all whtie. Remember, it was the 1950's!

smoothcriminal12 said:

TonyVanDam said:

No one....and I mean NO ONE knew anything about taking a risk with underage teenage girls like Chuck Berry did.

And all of those girls that Chuck used to take outside of the southern states were all whtie. Remember, it was the 1950's!

Yeah that's news to me. The only underage girls Chuck got in trouble, one lied about her age and two others were allegedly caught by Berry's camera in the bathroom but they dropped child abuse charges due to Chuck not knowing there were minors using the bathroom and, also, the tape was too grainy to be rightfully prosecuted. So it's really just allegations on Chuck's part. He didn't go the route Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis did having consensual relationships with underage girls and with Lewis in particular marrying his distant cousin (which was legal at the time in Louisiana).

imago said:

Anyways, I think this would make a great thesis.

Does fame have as much to do with getting a free pass, and does this extend to even the most unforgivable crimes? We know wealth and te ability to hire the right attorneys does. But Lindsay Lohan is mildly rich--not filthy rich, and girl has spent very little time in jail.

Though I wouldn't equate her to Gary Glitter.

[Edited 2/1/13 9:14am]

Fame makes it easy to access and bedazzle youg girls. Contact between celebs and random young people is not as weird compared to normal old guy who tries to flirt with young girls.

Without the frame of contact as part of their performance or artist life style, these guys would have been seen for what they were; perverts.

In the case of Kate Moss, it's the media who seem to be scared by her status.

I mean she is an anorexic coke head who neglects her child. But because she has powerful friends and a muse to some top designers, nobody dares to confront her publicly.

So, for Kate Moss it sure is a free pass.

The cover up by the BBC of the ignored complaints is under research right?

And Lindsay is not getting a free pass. I bet she would have less trouble if not famous.

Her worldwide televised court hearings is already a very heavy punishment. Poor girl has had a horrible life since Miss Hilton decided she wanted to ruin Lindsay her life. And all Paris her friends did as she wished. Poor girl has been terrorized and teased in the media. And she has not stable family for support. I wished her a better fate than her current life.

smoothcriminal12 said:

TonyVanDam said:

No one....and I mean NO ONE knew anything about taking a risk with underage teenage girls like Chuck Berry did.

And all of those girls that Chuck used to take outside of the southern states were all whtie. Remember, it was the 1950's!

True story. Many years ago, I had a thread about one of those (in)famous nude photos with Chuck and one of many underage white girls. If that thread can be found with the org's search engine, be warned that it's definitely NSFW.

TonyVanDam said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

True story. Many years ago, I had a thread about one of those (in)famous nude photos with Chuck and one of many underage white girls. If that thread can be found with the org's search engine, be warned that it's definitely NSFW.

Are you sure the girls with Chuck were underage though? I know one picture of a supposed Chuck nude with a white woman but I don't know if she was really young or of age.

Isnt Chuck also into scat?

lazycrockett said:

Isnt Chuck also into scat?

Nah but allegedly just golden showers...

You know my fellow hard rockers/metal heads sure are quick to throw stones at R. Kelly, Jerry Lee Lewis or Chuck Berry.

But yet Jimmy Page, Ted Nugent, Steven Tyler and Keith Richards get passes cause they are ''GODS'' and it was consent...

Doesn't change the fact they still wrong for doing it.

Gunsnhalen said:

You know my fellow hard rockers/metal heads sure are quick to throw stones at R. Kelly, Jerry Lee Lewis or Chuck Berry.

But yet Jimmy Page, Ted Nugent, Steven Tyler and Keith Richards get passes cause they are ''GODS'' and it was consent...

Doesn't change the fact they still wrong for doing it.

Gary Glitter was dating underage girls for years until he got caught. His thing was probably swept under the rug under the computer repair story from hell lol

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Yeah that's news to me. The only underage girls Chuck got in trouble, one lied about her age and two others were allegedly caught by Berry's camera in the bathroom but they dropped child abuse charges due to Chuck not knowing there were minors using the bathroom and, also, the tape was too grainy to be rightfully prosecuted. So it's really just allegations on Chuck's part. He didn't go the route Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis did having consensual relationships with underage girls and with Lewis in particular marrying his distant cousin (which was legal at the time in Louisiana).

This thread is teaching me too much, lol.

TonyVanDam said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

True story. Many years ago, I had a thread about one of those (in)famous nude photos with Chuck and one of many underage white girls. If that thread can be found with the org's search engine, be warned that it's definitely NSFW.

This can't be real life.

imago said:

PurpleJedi said:

If you're having this argument in Thailand, then we can't comment much.

But as for the USA...the more money you have, the better legal team you can hire, and the more you can get away with.

It's all about money. Fame? Not so much.

I'm having that discussion with westerners (and a few western educated Asians), mostly focused on western stars and people in power who get away with ...everything. It stemmed from a case here in Thailand about a girl (16 at the time) who was wrecklessly driving and crashed her car into a van killing 9 people.

She was:

1. unlicensed ( her parents bought the car)

2. driving far, far, faaarrrrr beyond the speed limit.

3. believed to be on her cellphone when it happened.

After the accident, she didn't walk over to the other van (someone was actually dangling over the rails). Rather, she started texting from her phone.

Had she hit a van of non-educated Thais, it would have NEVER made the news, but she actually hit middle and upper middle class, educated professors from the third most elite University in Thailand. So, it made the news.

However, her family is rich. The trial was delayed multiple times, once at the girl's request to investigate the 'recklessness' of the van driver. The another delay at the request of her family to have the girl and the victims' family's go into 'meditation' and 'prayer' together--the girl never actually met with the family members during that time.

In the end, she was given a 2 year prison sentence, which she never served because the judge included the 'trial' time, which took 2 years.

There was video evidence. There were multiple witnesses. And she spent not a single day in jail.

So, in Thailand, if you have money, you can buy your way out of ANYTHING.

But, the conversation is mostly about western attitudes towards money, power, and justice. I don't think the west is THAT much better--more discreet certainly. Dick Cheney should be in prison right now.

She went on Facebook while at the scene of the crime too.

There's a guy at Thonburi doing a handful of years, working in a nice admin office dealing with the new prisoners, wanders around wherever he likes and hob-knobs with the officers (who regardless of their positions defer to him as far as social etiquette). Nice guy, and very interesting, but he ordered a successful hit on someone. Bit bummed he got prison time at all given who he is (all a bit embarrassing, really. Someone's gonna get it), but he'll be alright with this minor inconvenience for a few years rather than what you or I would've been sentenced to. Money talks.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah that's news to me. The only underage girls Chuck got in trouble, one lied about her age and two others were allegedly caught by Berry's camera in the bathroom but they dropped child abuse charges due to Chuck not knowing there were minors using the bathroom and, also, the tape was too grainy to be rightfully prosecuted. So it's really just allegations on Chuck's part. He didn't go the route Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis did having consensual relationships with underage girls and with Lewis in particular marrying his distant cousin (which was legal at the time in Louisiana).

This thread is teaching me too much, lol.

You'll be surprised how it was commonplace with musicians.

imago said:

80% of the conversation crowd is insisting fame and money don't make a big difference, and I don't believe it.

I think even for the worst crimes, child molestation, murder, etc. they get off lighter, but they get off lightest with molestation. I have nothing to back this up but a 'feeling' which is why I started this thread.

Basically, I want to win the argument.

So you need research but you aren't going to do it even though said research would make you the winner. Ok.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

This thread is teaching me too much, lol.

You'll be surprised how it was commonplace with musicians.

R. Kelly I can take but Little Richard, possibly Chuck Berry and Lewis with dat incest (even though it was legal)?

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

You'll be surprised how it was commonplace with musicians.

R. Kelly I can take but Little Richard, possibly Chuck Berry and Lewis with dat incest (even though it was legal)?

[Edited 2/3/13 19:22pm]

Kinda makes you wonder about Richard though... reading parts of his book, I think he made up the gay parts of his life. Sure he had experiences in drag and he jacked off in front of couples (which he calls "gay experiences"), but it seemed he only really had relationships (and sexual relations) with women. He was obsessed with Audrey Robinson (she was in college when she met him according to Richard) and even after he became a minister, he wanted to still see her but Audrey felt him being a minister and her being (now) a stripper was not going to let the relationship get anywhere. But I was surprised myself when I read about Richard. I was like "noooo, can't be. Little Richard?!"

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

R. Kelly I can take but Little Richard, possibly Chuck Berry and Lewis with dat incest (even though it was legal)?

[Edited 2/3/13 19:22pm]

Kinda makes you wonder about Richard though... reading parts of his book, I think he made up the gay parts of his life. Sure he had experiences in drag and he jacked off in front of couples (which he calls "gay experiences"), but it seemed he only really had relationships (and sexual relations) with women. He was obsessed with Audrey Robinson (she was in college when she met him according to Richard) and even after he became a minister, he wanted to still see her but Audrey felt him being a minister and her being (now) a stripper was not going to let the relationship get anywhere. But I was surprised myself when I read about Richard. I was like "noooo, can't be. Little Richard?!"

I never thought he was gay....just flamboyant and provocative, like Prince. And da fuuuuuuq at the bolded?!