This is NOT a joke thread. It's sad I have to say that, but I wanted to make it very clear that I am posing a serious question.

Which celebrities have been proven or alleged to be child molesters or child pornographers, etc?

And more importantly, was their treatment less harsh than the general population?

There's this ongoing debate between me and a few folks that with money and fame, you get away with far more in almost all areas of life or with all crimes.

For example, Catholic priest's (who I know aren't exactly celebrity, but they're powerful in some instances) are often spoke of as having commited a 'sin', but the dialogue should be that they commited felonies.

Your take?

Gary Glitter

PeeWee Herman ( the guy that plays him)

theres been lots of them and they seem to be protected.

MaxiMPact said:

Gary Glitter

PeeWee Herman ( the guy that plays him)

theres been lots of them and they seem to be protected.

Source(s):

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RnB crooner RKelly (sex with teenage girls)

Pete Townshend?

Whatever happened with the child porn allegations???

80% of the conversation crowd is insisting fame and money don't make a big difference, and I don't believe it.

I think even for the worst crimes, child molestation, murder, etc. they get off lighter, but they get off lightest with molestation. I have nothing to back this up but a 'feeling' which is why I started this thread.

Basically, I want to win the argument.

imago said:

80% of the conversation crowd is insisting fame and money don't make a big difference, and I don't believe it.

I think even for the worst crimes, child molestation, murder, etc. they get off lighter, but they get off lightest with molestation. I have nothing to back this up but a 'feeling' which is why I started this thread.

Basically, I want to win the argument.

If you're having this argument in Thailand, then we can't comment much.

But as for the USA...the more money you have, the better legal team you can hire, and the more you can get away with.

It's all about money. Fame? Not so much.

PurpleJedi said:

imago said:

80% of the conversation crowd is insisting fame and money don't make a big difference, and I don't believe it.

I think even for the worst crimes, child molestation, murder, etc. they get off lighter, but they get off lightest with molestation. I have nothing to back this up but a 'feeling' which is why I started this thread.

Basically, I want to win the argument.

If you're having this argument in Thailand, then we can't comment much.

But as for the USA...the more money you have, the better legal team you can hire, and the more you can get away with.

It's all about money. Fame? Not so much.

I agree. The fame might help but it's ultimately the money (or protection of it) that is the key. In the case of the church it's often about protecting reputation as well, but then you think about why - so they don't lose congregants which is how they get their money.

PurpleJedi said:

imago said:

80% of the conversation crowd is insisting fame and money don't make a big difference, and I don't believe it.

I think even for the worst crimes, child molestation, murder, etc. they get off lighter, but they get off lightest with molestation. I have nothing to back this up but a 'feeling' which is why I started this thread.

Basically, I want to win the argument.

If you're having this argument in Thailand, then we can't comment much.

But as for the USA...the more money you have, the better legal team you can hire, and the more you can get away with.

It's all about money. Fame? Not so much.

I'm having that discussion with westerners (and a few western educated Asians), mostly focused on western stars and people in power who get away with ...everything. It stemmed from a case here in Thailand about a girl (16 at the time) who was wrecklessly driving and crashed her car into a van killing 9 people.

She was:

1. unlicensed ( her parents bought the car)

2. driving far, far, faaarrrrr beyond the speed limit.

3. believed to be on her cellphone when it happened.

After the accident, she didn't walk over to the other van (someone was actually dangling over the rails). Rather, she started texting from her phone.

Had she hit a van of non-educated Thais, it would have NEVER made the news, but she actually hit middle and upper middle class, educated professors from the third most elite University in Thailand. So, it made the news.

However, her family is rich. The trial was delayed multiple times, once at the girl's request to investigate the 'recklessness' of the van driver. The another delay at the request of her family to have the girl and the victims' family's go into 'meditation' and 'prayer' together--the girl never actually met with the family members during that time.

In the end, she was given a 2 year prison sentence, which she never served because the judge included the 'trial' time, which took 2 years.

There was video evidence. There were multiple witnesses. And she spent not a single day in jail.

So, in Thailand, if you have money, you can buy your way out of ANYTHING.

But, the conversation is mostly about western attitudes towards money, power, and justice. I don't think the west is THAT much better--more discreet certainly. Dick Cheney should be in prison right now.

is this going to be about child molestation/pornography connected to celebs or just rich/people buying their way out of things?

imago said:

PurpleJedi said:

If you're having this argument in Thailand, then we can't comment much.

But as for the USA...the more money you have, the better legal team you can hire, and the more you can get away with.

It's all about money. Fame? Not so much.

I'm having that discussion with westerners (and a few western educated Asians), mostly focused on western stars and people in power who get away with ...everything. It stemmed from a case here in Thailand about a girl (16 at the time) who was wrecklessly driving and crashed her car into a van killing 9 people.

She was:

1. unlicensed ( her parents bought the car)

2. driving far, far, faaarrrrr beyond the speed limit.

3. believed to be on her cellphone when it happened.

After the accident, she didn't walk over to the other van (someone was actually dangling over the rails). Rather, she started texting from her phone.

Had she hit a van of non-educated Thais, it would have NEVER made the news, but she actually hit middle and upper middle class, educated professors from the third most elite University in Thailand. So, it made the news.

However, her family is rich. The trial was delayed multiple times, once at the girl's request to investigate the 'recklessness' of the van driver. The another delay at the request of her family to have the girl and the victims' family's go into 'meditation' and 'prayer' together--the girl never actually met with the family members during that time.

In the end, she was given a 2 year prison sentence, which she never served because the judge included the 'trial' time, which took 2 years.

There was video evidence. There were multiple witnesses. And she spent not a single day in jail.

So, in Thailand, if you have money, you can buy your way out of ANYTHING.

But, the conversation is mostly about western attitudes towards money, power, and justice. I don't think the west is THAT much better--more discreet certainly. Dick Cheney should be in prison right now.

OK, I understand.

Dan, for the most part, MONEY and POWER are the key to getting your way. That is why humans (for the most part) crave it.

In most countries, the lower classes are considered dispensible. Not really newsworthy. Rich people can get away with murdering a poor person 150% easier than the other way around. I don't think it's a "western" attitude necessarily. I mean, doesn't Asia (or at least certain parts) adhere to strict class structures as well???

They did an interesting comparison in a TV show a few years back. Two nearly identical court cases...two men who were driving under the influence. Each struck and killed a pedestrian. Similar circumstances...clear weather, side streets with no traffic. One was rich and one was poor. The rich man was given a sentence HALF as bad as the poor man, even though the rich man had more "stuff" in his bloodstream.

I don't recall the details, but what it confirms is that in America Justice is certainly not blind. A fancy & expensive attorney is going to give you more "justice" than a court-appointment legal rep.

Dick Cheney is not only rich, but he's POWERFUL. Dude is connected. That's why he's not in jail, his "buddy" was so scared of him he actually f*cking APOLOGIZED for getting shot in the face. That's gangsta.

OldFriends4Sale said:

is this going to be about child molestation/pornography connected to celebs or just rich/people buying their way out of things?

LOL. the conversation moved towards how even celebs get away with stuff.

So, celebs is where I'll focus on because I think you guys can give me more instances

and links that way.

Jeffrey Jones of Ferris Bueller fame of course.

Sexual crimes across the board aren't taken seriously because on the whole men are the perpetrators.

To speak to the specifics of your question, less start with your last comment first.

The Catholic Church didn't face criminal charges for sexual misconduct of their Priest because the statues of limitations had expired. That is why victims filed civil suits.

Another way you to look at this... sometimes institutions cover up and protect their members from criminal charges and/or prosecution. The Catholic dioceses willfully covered-up and looked the other way when they knew Priest were violating children. The college institution of Penn State covered-up the actions of an assistance coach. The end result, that coach was allowed to sexual violated children for two decades or more.

Are celebrities given preferential treatment because of who the are? There are so many other variables to consider. What I can tell you is, money allows you to exhaust your legal rights under the Constitution and the court of law. Sometimes wealth can manipulate the legal system to your advantage. A lot of times the lack of wealth can manipulate the legal system to your disadvantage. Sexual predators whether they have the resources are not are well versed in how the legal system works and they've been known to manipulate it to their advantage. There are procedural loopholes in the law still that allow sexual predators to escape prosecution. Still many of these cases never make it to court because parents make the decision not to put their children through the process of facing their abuser or testifying against them.

Our system of justice doesn't work on bring the guilty to justice it functions on getting convictions, one way or another. Plea bargain is the past of least resistance; a sexual predator are just as likely to be offered a plea deal as someone charged with burglary. The problem with plea bargains are you run the risk of serial sexual predators doing little if anytime in jail. There's enough evidence to prove people who do these type of crimes don't stop so, they keep going. Gender, class, race, and publicity plays a significant role on who's charged and how they'll be prosecuted.

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Kate Moss neglects her daughter.

And nobody cares about it.

dJJ said:

Kate Moss neglects her daughter.

And nobody cares about it.

Wait. Kate Moss has a child?!

Timmy84 said:

dJJ said:

Kate Moss neglects her daughter.

And nobody cares about it.

Wait. Kate Moss has a child?!

I was thinking the same thing.

imago said:

Timmy84 said:

Wait. Kate Moss has a child?!

I was thinking the same thing.

Kate too.

dJJ said:

imago said:

I was thinking the same thing.

Kate too.

MJ.

lazycrockett said:

MJ.

The org gave him a sticky.

SometimesIwonder said:

Google Jimmy Saville He's reported 2b the UKs worst paedophile ever. He was a BBC hero for kid's television. Now then, now then... Edit: just re-read above & realised something wasn't right wi that sentence!! [Edited 1/31/13 15:12pm]

But if he were alive, he'd certainly be serving time, no?

Psssh hell yes fame and money do change a lot of thing's...

Gary Glitter got out of his setence early for ''good behavior'' is it just me or does that happen with a lot of celebs who go to jail?

They always seem to get out on good behavior...

Don't even get me started on rock stars!. People will say it's a different deal but Jimmy Page was sexing up a 14 year old when he was almost 30, Steven Tyler infamously got a 14 year old girl's parents to sign rights over to him....

He soon got her pregnant and made her get an abortion.... of course neither of these had the law involved at any time.

One of the worst is Ted fuckign Nugent... man i used to be a fan of the clown when i was young.

He is on tape saying he slept with lots of underage girls and that law people knew it and it was ok cause ''he wasn't some stupid druggie''

Here is one of the interviews where he talks about it

MJ

Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

imago said:

OKay, I really didn't want to bring this up

But didn't Prince start relationships with women underage?

You don't have to have any kind of sex to be guilty when it comes to

someone underage

Anna Fantastic & Mayte

OldFriends4Sale said:

OKay, I really didn't want to bring this up

But didn't Prince start relationships with women underage?

You don't have to have any kind of sex to be guilty when it comes to

someone underage

Anna Fantastic & Mayte

Mayte claimed on Arsenio that she flew out to Minneapolis after she 'turned 18'.

This doesn't change the fact to me that she was carrying on a phone/online relationship with him at 16.

And Prince himself said several times the first he saw her (When she was 16) that it was "the woman he wanted to marry."

The provocative lyrics on the symbol album seems like he relished in the controversy.

SometimesIwonder said:

imago said:

But if he were alive, he'd certainly be serving time, no?

I don't think it would have been out in the open if he were still alive. He was incredibly important within the BBC & probably had a lot of dirt on other high profile celebs & politicians or God forbid some royals! It's all starting to filter through to MSM with this operation Yew Tree that Scotland Yard is conducting. More & more celebs from the 60s & 70s onwards are now being revealed to be child molesters & this is off the back of the documentary about Savile last October. Durty auld begger so he was.

This was the trusted face of kid's BBC tv for a long time!

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He bloody well looks like the villain from Roger Rabbit! and no alarm bells went off at the BBC??

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