Ottensen said:

vainandy said:

Oh please. Aretha had had some hot stuff in recent years prior to little miss priss's debut with some good rhythmic bass such as "Jump To It" and "Get It Right" which never saw the light of pop day. Little goodie goodie never had anything like that. Deaddie Jackson was already slightly tired but become tremendously tired after her success. As for Anita, she had been around previously but was basically unknown and got very little airplay, if any, and I absolutely lived R&B radio back in those days. I had never even heard of her until 1986 and she was even much more duller than little miss priss herself but doors and airplay had become open to her by then thanks to a certain someone making dull shit popular. And Regina Hell, she followed also and later Mikki Howard. Those folks would never have been as successful as they were if they had come out prior to 1985. Hell, R&B had become so overrun with adult contemporary that adult contemporary R&B stations started popping up. They didn't exist before.

You know you wrong. Deddie and Ms. Hell??.

Totally unrelated, but did I ever tell y'all Deddie's obviously confused behind tried to hit on my big sister once? He was a friend of one of my friends (another singer) & for some reason that night he was was feeling straight that night and chasing my itty bitty sister (the other singer's best friend) around the club with the Eye of the Tiger on his face. She was completely traumatized

Lord, my mother dang near wore that Aretha Jump to It al-blum down to the grooves: towards the weekend she would put in on after work and sing to it with a screwdriver cocktail while she cooked dinner . Jump to It and Get It right were definitely the jams, but don't forget Aunt Re-re also got her old folks Adult Contemporary groove on just the year before with that George Benson duet "Love All the Hurt Away". She was doing that MOR stuff too! (Incidentally I love that damn song )

Now about Anita; I guess it depended on where you were in the country when she first came out, because up north we were into her hardcore by the time I was finishing Jr. High (85' ?) My best friend at the time wanted to get the cassette for her step sister, because she said the girl was so tone-deaf she only sounded good singing Anita's songs But I really only remember her as being accepted soley by r&b radio and having nowhere near the success Whit was having; also...Anita was the kind of artist that was crossing over into Smooth Jazz radio, being played with Kenny G. and 'nem...so I always considered her to be in her own lane but still, you know, just chilled out.

I think Clive davis took Whit and built on an already existing formula of using soulful voices to sing Middle of the Road Music. I know you hate Princess prissy, but i really blame all those terrible sh*t-hop groups of the 90's for the decline of R&B. Outside of Mary, Faith, and en Vogue they didn't do nothing for me.

Lord, I was just about to say I thought old Deddie was "family" until you said he must have been feeling straight that night. Sounds more like his closet days to me. I've always been an old nasty talking, foul mouthed whore even back in my closet days. However, back then, I used to talk all that shit to the girls but I wasn't crazy, I knew which ones to talk it to which was the "good girls" because I knew they would run like scared rabbits. If I had talked that shit to the badass whores that I used to love hanging with, they would have called my bluff and it would have been me running like the scared rabbit. It's all for appearance sake. Now, when I talk that nasty shit to a man, I'm dead serious. And if there are any men out there that think I'm bluffing, whip it out and find out.

As for Anita, the first time I ever heard of her was 1986 with a song that went...."You better watch your step, you'll fall and hurt yourself one day".....Years earlier, I remember a country song that sounded similar to that by a lady, if I'm not mistaken, I think the lady was blind, and her song went...."Somebody's knockin', should I let 'em in. Lord, it's the devil, will you look at him".....I thought Anita was that woman the first time I heard her song and we had a country radio station that was 98 on the dial and one of our R&B stations was 99 on the dial. This was the days when radio had a scale on the dial rather than the digital numbers that followed later, so it was very common to mistakedly have your dial tuned into another station if it was on the dial right next to it. I thought I had my station tuned to the country station when I heard the song so I twisted the knob a little bit and heard the actual country station. Then I twisted it back and thought to myself..."Lord have mercy, WJMI has done changed their format to country. This is horrible!"....I had to wait around and listen to a few more songs to assure myself that the format had not changed. .....Years later, in 1990, when I started going to the gay clubs, some of the drag queens used to lip sync to a song called "No More Tears". Actually, that particular one sounded pretty decent and I asked one of them who the singer was and they said it was Anita and I couldn't believe it because it sounded nothing like any of her stuff from 1986 on up to the present. But if I had been straight and never been to a gay club, I would still be thinking she didn't come out until 1986 because they just didn't play her down here before then.

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Fuckin Classic!!!

lazycrockett said:

Fuckin Classic!!!

That's the one.

vainandy said:

Ottensen said:

You know you wrong. Deddie and Ms. Hell??.

Totally unrelated, but did I ever tell y'all Deddie's obviously confused behind tried to hit on my big sister once? He was a friend of one of my friends (another singer) & for some reason that night he was was feeling straight that night and chasing my itty bitty sister (the other singer's best friend) around the club with the Eye of the Tiger on his face. She was completely traumatized

Lord, my mother dang near wore that Aretha Jump to It al-blum down to the grooves: towards the weekend she would put in on after work and sing to it with a screwdriver cocktail while she cooked dinner . Jump to It and Get It right were definitely the jams, but don't forget Aunt Re-re also got her old folks Adult Contemporary groove on just the year before with that George Benson duet "Love All the Hurt Away". She was doing that MOR stuff too! (Incidentally I love that damn song )

Now about Anita; I guess it depended on where you were in the country when she first came out, because up north we were into her hardcore by the time I was finishing Jr. High (85' ?) My best friend at the time wanted to get the cassette for her step sister, because she said the girl was so tone-deaf she only sounded good singing Anita's songs But I really only remember her as being accepted soley by r&b radio and having nowhere near the success Whit was having; also...Anita was the kind of artist that was crossing over into Smooth Jazz radio, being played with Kenny G. and 'nem...so I always considered her to be in her own lane but still, you know, just chilled out.

I think Clive davis took Whit and built on an already existing formula of using soulful voices to sing Middle of the Road Music. I know you hate Princess prissy, but i really blame all those terrible sh*t-hop groups of the 90's for the decline of R&B. Outside of Mary, Faith, and en Vogue they didn't do nothing for me.

Lord, I was just about to say I thought old Deddie was "family" until you said he must have been feeling straight that night. Sounds more like his closet days to me. I've always been an old nasty talking, foul mouthed whore even back in my closet days. However, back then, I used to talk all that shit to the girls but I wasn't crazy, I knew which ones to talk it to which was the "good girls" because I knew they would run like scared rabbits. If I had talked that shit to the badass whores that I used to love hanging with, they would have called my bluff and it would have been me running like the scared rabbit. It's all for appearance sake. Now, when I talk that nasty shit to a man, I'm dead serious. And if there are any men out there that think I'm bluffing, whip it out and find out.

As for Anita, the first time I ever heard of her was 1986 with a song that went...."You better watch your step, you'll fall and hurt yourself one day".....Years earlier, I remember a country song that sounded similar to that by a lady, if I'm not mistaken, I think the lady was blind, and her song went...."Somebody's knockin', should I let 'em in. Lord, it's the devil, will you look at him".....I thought Anita was that woman the first time I heard her song and we had a country radio station that was 98 on the dial and one of our R&B stations was 99 on the dial. This was the days when radio had a scale on the dial rather than the digital numbers that followed later, so it was very common to mistakedly have your dial tuned into another station if it was on the dial right next to it. I thought I had my station tuned to the country station when I heard the song so I twisted the knob a little bit and heard the actual country station. Then I twisted it back and thought to myself..."Lord have mercy, WJMI has done changed their format to country. This is horrible!"....I had to wait around and listen to a few more songs to assure myself that the format had not changed. .....Years later, in 1990, when I started going to the gay clubs, some of the drag queens used to lip sync to a song called "No More Tears". Actually, that particular one sounded pretty decent and I asked one of them who the singer was and they said it was Anita and I couldn't believe it because it sounded nothing like any of her stuff from 1986 on up to the present. But if I had been straight and never been to a gay club, I would still be thinking she didn't come out until 1986 because they just didn't play her down here before then.

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With Deddie, to this day if you start singing "Ro-ock me too-nite...for old time's sa-aake!" My sister gets mad as hell!!!

Whoo,and with Anita...chile they got y'all started on "Watch Your Step"???

Oh nooooo, for us up north, her first song was "Angel"...and me and my best friend use to watch her crazy ass sister Tiki stand in front of the mirror, tone deaf as could be singing her heart out into her hairbrush, " You're my aaaaaan-gel " . I swear that girl thought she was getting down; we used to just sit and look and shake our heads every time she started up- it was terrible

Ottensen said:

vainandy said:

Lord, I was just about to say I thought old Deddie was "family" until you said he must have been feeling straight that night. Sounds more like his closet days to me. I've always been an old nasty talking, foul mouthed whore even back in my closet days. However, back then, I used to talk all that shit to the girls but I wasn't crazy, I knew which ones to talk it to which was the "good girls" because I knew they would run like scared rabbits. If I had talked that shit to the badass whores that I used to love hanging with, they would have called my bluff and it would have been me running like the scared rabbit. It's all for appearance sake. Now, when I talk that nasty shit to a man, I'm dead serious. And if there are any men out there that think I'm bluffing, whip it out and find out.

As for Anita, the first time I ever heard of her was 1986 with a song that went...."You better watch your step, you'll fall and hurt yourself one day".....Years earlier, I remember a country song that sounded similar to that by a lady, if I'm not mistaken, I think the lady was blind, and her song went...."Somebody's knockin', should I let 'em in. Lord, it's the devil, will you look at him".....I thought Anita was that woman the first time I heard her song and we had a country radio station that was 98 on the dial and one of our R&B stations was 99 on the dial. This was the days when radio had a scale on the dial rather than the digital numbers that followed later, so it was very common to mistakedly have your dial tuned into another station if it was on the dial right next to it. I thought I had my station tuned to the country station when I heard the song so I twisted the knob a little bit and heard the actual country station. Then I twisted it back and thought to myself..."Lord have mercy, WJMI has done changed their format to country. This is horrible!"....I had to wait around and listen to a few more songs to assure myself that the format had not changed. .....Years later, in 1990, when I started going to the gay clubs, some of the drag queens used to lip sync to a song called "No More Tears". Actually, that particular one sounded pretty decent and I asked one of them who the singer was and they said it was Anita and I couldn't believe it because it sounded nothing like any of her stuff from 1986 on up to the present. But if I had been straight and never been to a gay club, I would still be thinking she didn't come out until 1986 because they just didn't play her down here before then.

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With Deddie, to this day if you start singing "Ro-ock me too-nite...for old time's sa-aake!" My sister gets mad as hell!!!

Whoo,and with Anita...chile they got y'all started on "Watch Your Step"???

Oh nooooo, for us up north, her first song was "Angel"...and me and my best friend use to watch her crazy ass sister Tiki stand in front of the mirror, tone deaf as could be singing her heart out into her hairbrush, " You're my aaaaaan-gel " . I swear that girl thought she was getting down; we used to just sit and look and shake our heads every time she started up- it was terrible

Ottensen said:

You could just see the regret all over his face . There was so much time spent on the fact that when they were growing up they were so close that most people initially thought he & Whitney were twins, this has got to hurt him beyond all imagining; I don't even know what he looked like in years past but right now he just looks like a shell of a man. It's a dang shame, something that started out as young folly enjoying the high life resulted in all of this family tragedy, and unfortunately looks like it's going into a whole new generation with Krissy. His sunset years are not going to be easy living with this for every last remaining day, that's for sure.

If you get a chance to check out the Interview (it'll be played a million times over on OWN)...While he's talking they show Old Black & White pics of Whitney and her brothers. He was much Slimmer and in shape and you could tell he was def Whitney's brother.

battling Drugs & Depression over the years he just let himself go...

Both look just like their Father but Whitney got her voice from her mother of course...

Chancellor said:

Ottensen said:

You could just see the regret all over his face . There was so much time spent on the fact that when they were growing up they were so close that most people initially thought he & Whitney were twins, this has got to hurt him beyond all imagining; I don't even know what he looked like in years past but right now he just looks like a shell of a man. It's a dang shame, something that started out as young folly enjoying the high life resulted in all of this family tragedy, and unfortunately looks like it's going into a whole new generation with Krissy. His sunset years are not going to be easy living with this for every last remaining day, that's for sure.

If you get a chance to check out the Interview (it'll be played a million times over on OWN)...While he's talking they show Old Black & White pics of Whitney and her brothers. He was much Slimmer and in shape and you could tell he was def Whitney's brother.

battling Drugs & Depression over the years he just let himself go...

Both look just like their Father but Whitney got her voice from her mother of course...

Oh I saw it, alright. It was sad

I feel for Michael and Cissy. I'm not too sure about Gary but Michael and Cissy definitely got my respect even though Michael was the initial reason behind Whitney's descent into drug abuse, I think both of them had mad problems. I just hope they find peace after a while.

Timmy84 said:

I feel for Michael and Cissy. I'm not too sure about Gary but Michael and Cissy definitely got my respect even though Michael was the initial reason behind Whitney's descent into drug abuse, I think both of them had mad problems. I just hope they find peace after a while.

Did you see the episodes of The Houstons where Gary's illnesses were addressed? Although he seems to be sort of "adjusted" psychologically to his loss, physically he's not doing so hot (I forgot if he needs a transplant or has some kind of organ disease or what it was ), and I took it to be a result of his drug use in the past.

One of the few times Krissy decided to act like a young adult who had some sense on that show was when she took time to spend time with her uncle Gary and talk about his sickness, bond with him, take a stand to concentrate on health and doing better for themselves. Remembering those scenes and seeing this interview just brings it all home how what we do to ourselves and our bodies when we're younger...eventually our luck runs out and we're left with all kinds of physical and psychological defects afterwards. Drugs...ugh...it's just so not worth it. I hope the next generation in Krissy will also be able to find peace so she (and/or other younger family members) won't continue the cycle of self-harm as well .

Ottensen said:

Timmy84 said:

I feel for Michael and Cissy. I'm not too sure about Gary but Michael and Cissy definitely got my respect even though Michael was the initial reason behind Whitney's descent into drug abuse, I think both of them had mad problems. I just hope they find peace after a while.

Did you see the episodes of The Houstons where Gary's illnesses were addressed? Although he seems to be sort of "adjusted" psychologically to his loss, physically he's not doing so hot (I forgot if he needs a transplant or has some kind of organ disease or what it was ), and I took it to be a result of his drug use in the past.

One of the few times Krissy decided to act like a young adult who had some sense on that show was when she took time to spend time with her uncle Gary and talk about his sickness, bond with him, take a stand to concentrate on health and doing better for themselves. Remembering those scenes and seeing this interview just brings it all home how what we do to ourselves and our bodies when we're younger...eventually our luck runs out and we're left with all kinds of physical and psychological defects afterwards. Drugs...ugh...it's just so not worth it. I hope the next generation in Krissy will also be able to find peace so she (and/or other younger family members) won't continue the cycle of self-harm as well .

No but I'm not surprised. All three of them did terrible stuff to their bodies. Like you said, I also hope the younger generation (Krissy included) learns from their mistakes.

Krissy seems hell-bent on getting people to not buy her grandma's book:

Bobbi Kristina
BLASTS Cissy Houston ...
Don't Buy Her Book!


Bobbi Kristina is on a mission to make sure grandma Cissy Houston's new tell-all book crashes and burns -- by BOYCOTTING it altogether and pleading with her fans to do the same.

Cissy released a book this week called "Remembering Whitney" -- which is all about Whitney Houston's life -- and made the rounds on a slew the talk shows promoting the hell out of it.

But Bobbi wasn't too happy, tweeting to her 119,000 plus followers, "Anything concerning my grandmother's book, I and @nickgordon of course personally have nothing to with."

She continues, "I haven't read and won't ... I find it to be disrespectful to my mother and me being her daughter won't tolerate it."

FYI -- Cissy was on Oprah earlier this week (again promoting the book) and admitted her relationship with BK was strained ... and admitted she knew that Bobbi didn't want the book written.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/0...issy-book/

if my child died it take me a lifetime if that to talk about it n even then .. no forget it i couldnt and wouldnt

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

Just because she did drugs don't mean she was fake.

No, you're not fake when you're someone like Rick James who does drugs and flaunts it. You are fake when you do drugs and portray an image of a goodie goodie cheerleader during the week and a Virgin Mary choir girl on the weekend. It's as fake as a gay Republican sucking dicks in a public men's room stall.

You're a damn fool Andy!

i was gonna try. whit is missed.

Terrib3Towel said:

And what does Whitney do after she's booed at the Soul Train awards?

Falls in love with a white man in front of millions!

That must have REALLY made those ignorant fools mad.

@Terrib & Timmy.....Laugh now, but some of the (white) Bobby-haters actually felt that Whitney should've married OR at least be in a relationship with Kevin Costner instead of marrying Bobbly Brown.

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

The first sign I got that I knew part of her image was b.s. when she let loose during an interview with Entertainment Weekly. She cussed more than a sailor. I could tell even then, the girl was going through TOO MUCH already even at that stage when the interview took place (1995).

Now see, if she had come out like that from the beginning, she could have had potential to be great. And since she was on drugs, she could have gotten with Rick James instead of old Silver Balls. Rick could have given her some good music and also a great image like a slut or a whore like he did with The Mary Jane Girls. Hell, she could have even made R&B better than it already was instead of what she actually did which was make it worse.

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So basically, Whitney's 3rd album wasn't black enough.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Whitney_Houston_I%27m_Your_Baby_Tonight_Cover.jpg[/img:$uid]

True OR False?

TonyVanDam said:

Terrib3Towel said:

And what does Whitney do after she's booed at the Soul Train awards?

Falls in love with a white man in front of millions!

That must have REALLY made those ignorant fools mad.

@Terrib & Timmy.....Laugh now, but some of the (white) Bobby-haters actually felt that Whitney should've married OR at least be in a relationship with Kevin Costner instead of marrying Bobbly Brown.

I didn't think she should have married Bobby Brown either. She drained all the funkiness out of him after she got with him. I thought she should have married old Silver Balls.

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

Now see, if she had come out like that from the beginning, she could have had potential to be great. And since she was on drugs, she could have gotten with Rick James instead of old Silver Balls. Rick could have given her some good music and also a great image like a slut or a whore like he did with The Mary Jane Girls. Hell, she could have even made R&B better than it already was instead of what she actually did which was make it worse.

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So basically, Whitney's 3rd album wasn't black enough.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Whitney_Houston_I%27m_Your_Baby_Tonight_Cover.jpg[/img:$uid]

True OR False?

That shit sounded like Pat Boone trying to do Little Richard.

TonyVanDam said:

Terrib3Towel said:

And what does Whitney do after she's booed at the Soul Train awards?

Falls in love with a white man in front of millions!

That must have REALLY made those ignorant fools mad.

@Terrib & Timmy.....Laugh now, but some of the (white) Bobby-haters actually felt that Whitney should've married OR at least be in a relationship with Kevin Costner instead of marrying Bobbly Brown.

I knew that from jump street. In fact Whitney pointed it out a few times that they would tell her she "should've gotten married to a white man". So you don't have to tell me twice lol

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

Now see, if she had come out like that from the beginning, she could have had potential to be great. And since she was on drugs, she could have gotten with Rick James instead of old Silver Balls. Rick could have given her some good music and also a great image like a slut or a whore like he did with The Mary Jane Girls. Hell, she could have even made R&B better than it already was instead of what she actually did which was make it worse.

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So basically, Whitney's 3rd album wasn't black enough.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Whitney_Houston_I%27m_Your_Baby_Tonight_Cover.jpg[/img:$uid]

True OR False?

Apparently to some, "not black enough". I love the songs from that album so whatever Andy. Pat Boone didn't sound that good.

1. I loved all Whitney's music from the first album forward, although some of the latter releases didn't resonate with me. I never understood the accusation that she didn't sound "black" enough. I frankly don't understand how anyone who grew up with Prince music could say that...could force "black music" into rigid constraints.

But yes, I did hear those complaints from some blacks in the 80s, along with complaints that her "blackness" was suspect because she couldn't dance and had a flat butt. SMH.

2. I can't take Bobbi Kristina seriously. I abhor that girl. She's already said she hasn't read the book, so why is she commenting on it? Read it, then judge it little girl. Cissy is the one who gave birth to Whitney. If she has something to say, let her say it.

3. I don't agree with the widespread view that Whitney was "fake" at the beginning of her career and tried to fabricate a persona to ingratiate herself to white people. Clearly, Cisssy was religious, overprotective and raised Whitney in a very sheltered environment. Many people like that act like rainbows and roses. The gutter trash persona she took on after yoking with Bobby-- as displayed on the pathetic and hilarious "Being Bobby Brown" -- was so beneath her. I'll take her sheltered personality over that any day. When I watch old interviews where she spoke with dignity, reflection and class ...and then watch the "crack is wack" interview. The contrast makes me sad.

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SynthiaRose said:

1. I loved all Whitney's music from the first album forward, although some of the latter releases didn't resonate with me. I never understood the accusation that she didn't sound "black" enough. I frankly don't understand how anyone who grew up with Prince music could say that...could force "black music" into rigid constraints.

But yes, I did hear those complaints from some blacks in the 80s, along with complaints that her "blackness" was suspect because she couldn't dance and had a flat butt. SMH.

2. I can't take Bobbi Kristina seriously. I abhor that girl. She's already said she hasn't read the book, so why is she commenting on it? Read it, then judge it little girl. Cissy is the one who gave birth to Whitney. If she has something to say, let her say it.

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But yet they complain when that version of a black person who CAN dance and have a BIG butt becomes a "stereotype". I tell you... we're really confused about what we deemed "blackness". I'll never get it. They treated Whitney like a bastard child.

vainandy said:

SynthiaRose said:

I don't agree with the widespread view that Whitney was "fake" at the beginning of her career and tried to fabricate a persona to ingratiate herself to white people. Clearly, Cisssy was religious, overprotective and raised Whitney in a very sheltered environment. Many people like that act like rainbows and roses. The gutter trash persona she took on after yoking with Bobby-- as displayed on the pathetic and hilarious "Being Bobby Brown" -- was so beneath her. I'll take her sheltered personality over that any day. When I watch old interviews where she spoke with dignity, reflection and class ...and then watch the "crack is wack" interview. The contrast makes me sad.

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I agree. That shit was not even her. Looking back, it just didn't really scream out "oh that's Whitney". I probably had said something that it was close to it. But now, I don't believe that. That shit truly was a tragedy and it started two emotionally deprived addicts that needed to get away from each other at the stage of their marriage.

vainandy said:

TonyVanDam said:

@Terrib & Timmy.....Laugh now, but some of the (white) Bobby-haters actually felt that Whitney should've married OR at least be in a relationship with Kevin Costner instead of marrying Bobbly Brown.

I didn't think she should have married Bobby Brown either. She drained all the funkiness out of him after she got with him. I thought she should have married old Silver Balls.

Married to Clive Davis?!? That's would have been like Sally Hennings marrying Thomas Jefferson!

SynthiaRose said:

1. I loved all Whitney's music from the first album forward, although some of the latter releases didn't resonate with me. I never understood the accusation that she didn't sound "black" enough. I frankly don't understand how anyone who grew up with Prince music could say that...could force "black music" into rigid constraints.

But yes, I did hear those complaints from some blacks in the 80s, along with complaints that her "blackness" was suspect because she couldn't dance and had a flat butt. SMH.

2. I can't take Bobbi Kristina seriously. I abhor that girl. She's already said she hasn't read the book, so why is she commenting on it? Read it, then judge it little girl. Cissy is the one who gave birth to Whitney. If she has something to say, let her say it.

3. I don't agree with the widespread view that Whitney was "fake" at the beginning of her career and tried to fabricate a persona to ingratiate herself to white people. Clearly, Cisssy was religious, overprotective and raised Whitney in a very sheltered environment. Many people like that act like rainbows and roses. The gutter trash persona she took on after yoking with Bobby-- as displayed on the pathetic and hilarious "Being Bobby Brown" -- was so beneath her. I'll take her sheltered personality over that any day. When I watch old interviews where she spoke with dignity, reflection and class ...and then watch the "crack is wack" interview. The contrast makes me sad.

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Agreed.

But I also think the being Bobby Brown period was not a persona so much as her then "clear and present danger" of a mind heavily on drugs, headed fast and furiously to her "bottom". She was whacked out & high as hell during that filming (oddly she was always "up", irritable and fidgety- while Bobbi appeared to be mellow and lethargic).

Watching that show was essentially like observing a person 2 steps removed from a drug addict character in a Spike Lee film. Very sad indeed. At the time I thought the show was strange & nearly intriguing. Viewing it in retrospect, though, it makes the pieces of the Houston addiction puzzle fit together all too tragically.

vainandy said:

TonyVanDam said:

So basically, Whitney's 3rd album wasn't black enough.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Whitney_Houston_I%27m_Your_Baby_Tonight_Cover.jpg[/img:$uid]

True OR False?

That shit sounded like Pat Boone trying to do Little Richard.

Damn!

Timmy84 said:

SynthiaRose said:

1. I loved all Whitney's music from the first album forward, although some of the latter releases didn't resonate with me. I never understood the accusation that she didn't sound "black" enough. I frankly don't understand how anyone who grew up with Prince music could say that...could force "black music" into rigid constraints.

But yes, I did hear those complaints from some blacks in the 80s, along with complaints that her "blackness" was suspect because she couldn't dance and had a flat butt. SMH.

2. I can't take Bobbi Kristina seriously. I abhor that girl. She's already said she hasn't read the book, so why is she commenting on it? Read it, then judge it little girl. Cissy is the one who gave birth to Whitney. If she has something to say, let her say it.

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But yet they complain when that version of a black person who CAN dance and have a BIG butt becomes a "stereotype". I tell you... we're really confused about what we deemed "blackness". I'll never get it. They treated Whitney like a bastard child.

I've seen that just today on the comments section on Yahoo! about Beyonce's Superbowl Performance. A lot of people are mad about the size of her thighs and butt, and her pulling off those Bob Fosse moves for "Single Ladies" . Seems to be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation if you are a singer in the public eye.

Ottensen said:

Timmy84 said:

But yet they complain when that version of a black person who CAN dance and have a BIG butt becomes a "stereotype". I tell you... we're really confused about what we deemed "blackness". I'll never get it. They treated Whitney like a bastard child.

I've seen that just today on the comments section on Yahoo! about Beyonce's Superbowl Performance. A lot of people are mad about the size of her thighs and butt, and her pulling off those Bob Fosse moves for "Single Ladies" . Seems to be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation if you are a singer in the public eye.

Basically. Whitney wasn't "black enough" and Beyonce is "too black".

People need to shut the fuck up.

SynthiaRose said:

But yes, I did hear those complaints from some blacks in the 80s, along with complaints that her "blackness" was suspect because she couldn't dance and had a flat butt. SMH.