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World's happiest countries

World's happiest countries

What does happiness mean to you? At its core it consists of being healthy, having enough food to feed yourself and your family and enough to money to do what you want and buy what you want. For most people that entails a nice home, decent clothes, a car or two, cable TV, good times with family and friends.
Furthermore, happiness means being able to speak what's on your mind without fear, to worship the God of your choosing, and to feel safe and secure in your own home.

The World's Happiest Countries:

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
6. Canada
7. Finland
8. The Netherlands
9. Switzerland
10. Ireland

Happiness means having opportunity – to get an education, to be an entrepreneur. What's more satisfying than having a big idea and turning it into a thriving business, knowing all the way that the harder you work, the more reward you can expect?

With this in mind, six years ago researchers at the Legatum Institute, a London-based nonpartisan think tank, set out to rank the happiest countries in the world. But because "happy" carries too much of a touchy-feely connotation, they call it "prosperity."

The objective of the institute's work (which is part of billionaire Christopher Chandler's Dubai-based Legatum Group) was to figure out what it is that makes happy countries happy – so that the less fortunate corners of the globe might have a benchmark to work toward.

The resulting Legatum Prosperity Index is based on a study of 142 countries comprising 96% of global population. Nations are analyzed and ranked on 89 indicators in eight categories, such as education, government and economics. The inputs for the index are both objective and subjective. It's not enough to just look at per capita GDP or unemployment rates. It also matters how hard people think it is to find jobs, or how convinced they are that hard work can bring success.

The core conceit: Prosperity is complex; achieving it relies on a confluence of factors that build on each other in a virtual circle.

So who are the happiest people in the world, as measured by Legatum? Norway takes the crown, followed by Denmark and Sweden (which leapfrogged Australia and New Zealand this year). Rounding out the Scandinavians is Finland, just a few steps behind in the seventh spot.

Luxembourg is the healthiest nation on Earth. Iceland is the safest. Switzerland has the world’s best economy and governance, according to Legatum.

What’s Norway got that the rest of the world doesn’t? For one thing, a stunning per capita GDP of $57,000 a year. Norwegians have the second-highest level of satisfaction with their standards of living: Ninety-five percent say they are satisfied with the freedom to choose the direction of their lives; an unparalleled 74% say other people can be trusted. It sure doesn’t hurt that the massive Norwegian welfare state is bankrolled by high taxes and big reserves of offshore oil and gas.

Indeed, most of the top 20 "happiest" countries according to the index are in western Europe. So what gives? What do these nations have in common that can somehow explain their prosperity?

Being an electoral democracy is virtually a given – of the top 20 most prosperous countries, only Singapore and Hong Kong aren't democracies. Being small also seems to help. Big countries with heterogeneous populations are more unwieldy; disparate groups make it harder for a society to build social cohesion and trust.

What else? They are all borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth. Yet they don't let that socialism cross the line into autocracy. Civil liberties are abundant (consider decriminalized drugs and prostitution in the Netherlands). There are few restrictions on the flow of capital or of labor.

So where does the United States rank? It's at 12th place this year, slipping from 10th. According to Legatum, the U.S. has slipped in the areas of governance, personal freedom, and most troubling, in entrepreneurship & opportunity. America is supposed to be the land of opportunity, but Legatum notes "a decline in citizens' perception that working hard gets you ahead."

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Reply #1 posted 01/20/13 12:20pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

purplethunder3121 said:


1. Norway
Happiness means having opportunity – to get an education, to be an entrepreneur. What's more satisfying than having a big idea and turning it into a thriving business, knowing all the way that the harder you work, the more reward you can expect?

With this in mind, six years ago researchers at the Legatum Institute, a London-based nonpartisan think tank, set out to rank the happiest countries in the world. But because "happy" carries too much of a touchy-feely connotation, they call it "prosperity."

I don't know about this...I'm sure people around the world want to have "prosperity" but this concept of "happiness means having opportunity" is so western that I call this study BS. I grew up in a very poor country and I had a wonderful childhood. Actually that was the happiest I've ever been in my life. Of course children don't know they are poor until someone tells them that they are. Anyway I remember people being happy and enjoying what they had. I guess they couldn't really miss something they never had. Anyway, here in the States I know some people who claim unhappiness because they can't afford to buy something as superficial as a big screen TV. So I really think that the concept of happiness is very much influenced by culture. shrug

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Reply #2 posted 01/20/13 4:18pm

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it's all about having high standards & national pride

i would suggest that the 1st three on the list are not very culturally diverse & this is not a bad thing. it allows them to maintain their traditions and strong cultural values. also you need a few quid to live in these countries, standards of living are high & they don't make immigration easy.

my cousin married a swedish girl. they live in a huge house, isolated place in a forest somewhere & he had to learn swedish before he was allowed to work in the country.

i'm so sad for the uk right now, i hardly recognise it from 20yrs ago, anyone & anything goes

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Reply #3 posted 01/21/13 9:08am

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Funny I was reminded of an earlier thread from a while back about equating "happiness" with money.

I tried to look it up but this is what I came up with (related I would think)...

Richer Countries Have Higher Depression Rates

July 26, 2011 -- Depression rates around the world vary according to a nation's affluence, with the highest income countries -- including the U.S. -- reporting the highest levels of depression, a study shows.

For the study, an international team working with the World Health Organization's World Mental Health Survey Initiative interviewed nearly 90,000 people in eighteen countries. The researchers assessed their mental health using criteria for major depressive episode (MDE).

The study is published in BMC Medicine.

The World Health Organization estimates that depression affects 121 million people worldwide. In the 10 higher income countries surveyed, an average of nearly 15% of the population had suffered from depression at least once in their lives. By contrast, people living in low to middle income countries reported an 11% likelihood of having had the disease.

At 19.2%, the U.S. had the second highest lifetime rate of depression. Only France, at 21%, had a greater frequency of the disease. Among the high-income countries, Japan, Germany, Italy, and Israel reported the smallest percentages, ranging from under 7% to 10%.

Low to middle income countries, by contrast, reported much lower rates overall. China (6.5%) and Mexico (8%) had the smallest percentage of lifetime incidence of depression. Only Brazil, at 18.4%, approached the level of depression in the U.S.

The researchers also measured the rates of depression that occurred in the year preceding the survey. Brazil had the highest level overall; an estimated 10% of its population experienced depression in the previous year. The United States, with the second highest rates, reported an 8.3% rate. Japan, Germany, and Italy had the lowest 12-month rates.

full story HERE

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Reply #4 posted 01/21/13 10:37am

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FWIW, they call MY city, the poorest city in the world or something, the City of Joy.

And Norway the happiest, .....really? Isn't that where that Anders guy killed all those people?

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Reply #5 posted 01/21/13 11:00am

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They are equating happiness with prosperity which is a tenuous link at best.


With this in mind, six years ago researchers at the Legatum Institute, a London-based nonpartisan think tank, set out to rank the happiest countries in the world. But because "happy" carries too much of a touchy-feely connotation, they call it "prosperity."

So it's really an inaccurate headline, the survey should really be titled 'World's best places to prosper'....

[Edited 1/21/13 11:02am]

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Reply #6 posted 01/21/13 11:06am

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Reply #7 posted 01/21/13 11:10am

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One thing they didn't take into account is the health system if they did that list may be a bit different and the USA further down than 12 - a world leader with such a crappy health system neutral

And yep we are pretty lucky down below and we work hard for what we have

I always imagined Sweden and Denmark to be wonderful places to live and I didn't need statistics - I just knew

But all in all I feel really lucky to be living here

And yes western countries would score high although I think the Philippines would be a 'happy' country - I have never actually been there but the people from there that I have met are all happy loving genuine polite and sweet - not one bad apple from there cool
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Reply #8 posted 01/21/13 11:24am

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New Zealand's looking better and better, the right climate, lots of natural surroundings. But it's such a tiny little island, something's got to be wrong. Active volcano? Massive tidal waves?

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Reply #9 posted 01/21/13 11:30am

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morningsong said:

New Zealand's looking better and better, the right climate, lots of natural surroundings. But it's such a tiny little island, something's got to be wrong. Active volcano? Massive tidal waves?



It's the sheep lol

Actually New Zealand is an amazing beautiful place and doing well to be up there especially in front of Canada eek
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Reply #10 posted 01/21/13 11:54am

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PurpleJedi said:

Funny I was reminded of an earlier thread from a while back about equating "happiness" with money.

I tried to look it up but this is what I came up with (related I would think)...

Richer Countries Have Higher Depression Rates

July 26, 2011 -- Depression rates around the world vary according to a nation's affluence, with the highest income countries -- including the U.S. -- reporting the highest levels of depression, a study shows.

For the study, an international team working with the World Health Organization's World Mental Health Survey Initiative interviewed nearly 90,000 people in eighteen countries. The researchers assessed their mental health using criteria for major depressive episode (MDE).

The study is published in BMC Medicine.

The World Health Organization estimates that depression affects 121 million people worldwide. In the 10 higher income countries surveyed, an average of nearly 15% of the population had suffered from depression at least once in their lives. By contrast, people living in low to middle income countries reported an 11% likelihood of having had the disease.

At 19.2%, the U.S. had the second highest lifetime rate of depression. Only France, at 21%, had a greater frequency of the disease. Among the high-income countries, Japan, Germany, Italy, and Israel reported the smallest percentages, ranging from under 7% to 10%.

Low to middle income countries, by contrast, reported much lower rates overall. China (6.5%) and Mexico (8%) had the smallest percentage of lifetime incidence of depression. Only Brazil, at 18.4%, approached the level of depression in the U.S.

The researchers also measured the rates of depression that occurred in the year preceding the survey. Brazil had the highest level overall; an estimated 10% of its population experienced depression in the previous year. The United States, with the second highest rates, reported an 8.3% rate. Japan, Germany, and Italy had the lowest 12-month rates.

full story HERE

People in "rich" countries have more depression because:

A. Their basic needs are met, leaving them more time to worry about stuff. If you're concerned about where your next meal is coming from, you focus on getting the meal, rather than sitting around thinking how bummed you are about being hungry.

B. They have a greater basis for comparison. If folks just lived their lives, instead of always trying to keep up with the Joneses, they'd be a lot happier.

C. They think they should be happy all the time - and when they aren't, they wallow in their non-existent misery.

D. They see ads on TV for medications that will help keep them from feeling blue - and they gotta get themselves some.

E. They have greater access to health care - and to doctors who will give them a pill to get them out of their office.

I am not trying to trivialize depression. It's real and can be horrible. (I've had my own issues with hormone-related depression in the last year - it's no joke.) But a lot of people who think they're depressed aren't really clinically depressed.

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Reply #11 posted 01/22/13 9:18am

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ThisOne said:

morningsong said:

New Zealand's looking better and better, the right climate, lots of natural surroundings. But it's such a tiny little island, something's got to be wrong. Active volcano? Massive tidal waves?

It's the sheep lol Actually New Zealand is an amazing beautiful place and doing well to be up there especially in front of Canada eek

Dang it! I knew it, I knew it.

pout Might as well stay my butt at home, we may not be the happiest we are sure one of the coolest. cool

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Reply #12 posted 01/22/13 11:47am

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10. Ireland
Wow, Europe is doing something right
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Reply #13 posted 01/23/13 3:03am

dJJ

Norway visit is high on my bucketlist.

Supposed to be beautiful.

And I also would love to visit Denmark. Because of the vintage furniture.

And of course Canada is high up there.

8th place is not bad though.

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Reply #14 posted 01/23/13 7:17am

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We folks from the rich countries need to be depressed in order to be happy. It's the style-factor in our boring, perfect lives.

As Falco once famously said on a German TV interview: "You know... what we Austrians are better at than you Germans, is living somewhere between depression and megalomania."

And now excuse me while I drown my sorrows in the best, most expensive Austrian wine and then by burning some petrol in my Aston DB9. I love my life.

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Reply #15 posted 01/23/13 7:56am

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Why arent any non-european countries the happiest? Thanks colonialism confused

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Reply #16 posted 01/23/13 9:59am

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It isn't happiness. Alexis de Tocqueville explained it very well...

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, [government] then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

"Timid and industrious" is not the same thing as being happy.

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Reply #17 posted 01/23/13 10:15am

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Genesia said:

People in "rich" countries have more depression because:

A. Their basic needs are met, leaving them more time to worry about stuff. If you're concerned about where your next meal is coming from, you focus on getting the meal, rather than sitting around thinking how bummed you are about being hungry.

B. They have a greater basis for comparison. If folks just lived their lives, instead of always trying to keep up with the Joneses, they'd be a lot happier.

C. They think they should be happy all the time - and when they aren't, they wallow in their non-existent misery.

D. They see ads on TV for medications that will help keep them from feeling blue - and they gotta get themselves some.

E. They have greater access to health care - and to doctors who will give them a pill to get them out of their office.

I am not trying to trivialize depression. It's real and can be horrible. (I've had my own issues with hormone-related depression in the last year - it's no joke.) But a lot of people who think they're depressed aren't really clinically depressed.

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WTF?!? You think someone who isn't sure where their next meal is coming from has less to worry about that someone trying to figure out which steak house to go to?

Let's hope you never have to go hungry. I don't think you'd cope with it very well.

I do agree with point B. I think points C, D and E are about as accurate as point A.

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It isn't happiness. Alexis de Tocqueville explained it very well...

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, [government] then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

"Timid and industrious" is not the same thing as being happy.

nod When it comes to the fact if people are happy South American countries are far ahead of Europeans for example.

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Reply #19 posted 01/23/13 10:18am

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Genesia said:

It isn't happiness. Alexis de Tocqueville explained it very well...

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, [government] then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

"Timid and industrious" is not the same thing as being happy.

With all due respect, Monsieur de Tocqueville is full of shit.

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Serious said:

Genesia said:

It isn't happiness. Alexis de Tocqueville explained it very well...

"Timid and industrious" is not the same thing as being happy.

nod When it comes to the fact if people are happy South American countries are far ahead of Europeans for example.

...until they're shot from a member of the opposite drug gang!

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nod When it comes to the fact if people are happy South American countries are far ahead of Europeans for example.

...until they're shot from a member of the opposite drug gang!

evillol

Yeah but until then they lived a happier life wink

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Reply #22 posted 01/23/13 11:43am

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alexzander said:

Why arent any non-european countries the happiest? Thanks colonialism confused

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[Edited 1/23/13 7:57am]

True.

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Reply #23 posted 01/24/13 2:46am

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Genesia said:

It isn't happiness. Alexis de Tocqueville explained it very well...

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, [government] then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

"Timid and industrious" is not the same thing as being happy.

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Reply #24 posted 01/25/13 11:06am

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It seems that living in a cold climate makes one happy.

Maybe they are less populated.

People keeping to themselves tend to get into less confrontational situations.

I know that these countries have more in common then this but I don't think it is a coincidence.

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Reply #25 posted 01/25/13 12:03pm

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It seems that living in a cold climate makes one happy.

Maybe they are less populated.

People keeping to themselves tend to get into less confrontational situations.

I know that these countries have more in common then this but I don't think it is a coincidence.

IMO it's quite the opposite: living in a warm climate makes people happy and IMO that is one of the reasons why people in rich countries are more often depressed as mentioned here before. The article posted has noting to do with where the most happy people live, they don't live in Europe wink.

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Reply #26 posted 01/25/13 12:07pm

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Serious said:

Deadflow3r said:

It seems that living in a cold climate makes one happy.

Maybe they are less populated.

People keeping to themselves tend to get into less confrontational situations.

I know that these countries have more in common then this but I don't think it is a coincidence.

IMO it's quite the opposite: living in a warm climate makes people happy and IMO that is one of the reasons why people in rich countries are more often depressed as mentioned here before. The article posted has noting to do with where the most happy people live, they don't live in Europe wink.

Well it says they are the happiest countries.

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Reply #27 posted 01/25/13 12:08pm

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How many constant wars and conflicts are any of these countries involved in?

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Serious said:

IMO it's quite the opposite: living in a warm climate makes people happy and IMO that is one of the reasons why people in rich countries are more often depressed as mentioned here before. The article posted has noting to do with where the most happy people live, they don't live in Europe wink.

Well it says they are the happiest countries.

Yeah that's what the article says, but people in these countries are less happy than in many other countries. I guess every study will give a different result, but IMO European countries are not on top when it comes to happiness. This link for example shows a complete different result:

http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/ne-data/11940-happiest-countries.html#axzz2J1KU7nTo

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Reply #29 posted 01/25/13 12:24pm

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Given how common depression and overall negative attitude towards minorities is in Northern Europe I find that list hilarious. Not to mention I live in the country that has the 2nd highest suicide rate in the world. "Happy" is hardly the right word.

Safe? Yes, for the most part. Don't have to fear losing your home in case you end up being unemployed? Yes, in most cases. Public health care? Yes, but the quality of the services is detoriating and the system is becoming ineffective. Access to tertiary education without having to pay for it? Yes, but it's not going to guarantee you a decent job since just about everyone else is going to be as "highly educated" as you are as a result of that. Jobs? Uhm, well. Would you be interested in an internship?

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