novabrkr said:

He didn't say that.

I didn't say he did. I was highlighting the difference - comparing the two.

CarrieMpls said:

PurpleJedi said:

So...this was an interesting (alcohol-fueled) discussion I had recently;

How does going out and picking up a girl (or guy) at a bar...spending a load of cash on drinks...to get in their pants once, COMPARE with hiring a call girl for the night?

One Night Stand; the girl (or guy) may be doing the same thing OR may want to pursue a relationship with you. If it's the former, then only the fact that money is changing hands really makes a difference. If it's the latter, then you're being deceiptful to get a piece, and taking advantage of someone (as opposed to a hooker who's just doing it for cash).

If it's a money issue...well you spend ALOT of money sometimes to wine & dine that person to hopefully get a piece...so you're technically "paying for sex" in a way.

I think this conversation made more sense with Tequila.

Women don't have sex with men on either a one night stand OR someone they're dating because you bought them a drink or dinner or both and they now "owe" you something. It is not an exchange. Through the course of the evening they found themselves attracted enough to sleep with you by choice.

Women don't owe you anything and they most certainly don't owe you sex, ever.

edit to say - i don't mean "you", purplejedi. I mean the anyone kinda "you".

[Edited 1/22/13 6:21am]

Carrie...of course not...BUT IT HAPPENS. ALL THE TIME.

Guy meets girl. Guy spends wads of dough on girl to try to get in her pants. Guy (if he's got "game") gets girl in bed.

THAT is why bars/clubs have "ladies nights"...to get guys to spend their cash.

I know you didn't mean "me". It's all in good fun anyway...this is the Org after all.

a one night stand has to be more civilized? none of that diving straight in.. it's good for the bloke's ego when he's gotta charm tha lady! don't men enjoy the thrill of the chase?

i was a very cheap one night stand! not bothered about getting drunk.. just lots of (free) hot, close & sweaty dancing would get me panting for more before the night was out!

Man, if one is TRULY horny and NEEDS to score, I'd say "hire a hot prostitute and be happy"

PurpleJedi said:

CarrieMpls said:

Women don't have sex with men on either a one night stand OR someone they're dating because you bought them a drink or dinner or both and they now "owe" you something. It is not an exchange. Through the course of the evening they found themselves attracted enough to sleep with you by choice.

Women don't owe you anything and they most certainly don't owe you sex, ever.

edit to say - i don't mean "you", purplejedi. I mean the anyone kinda "you".

[Edited 1/22/13 6:21am]

Carrie...of course not...BUT IT HAPPENS. ALL THE TIME.

Guy meets girl. Guy spends wads of dough on girl to try to get in her pants. Guy (if he's got "game") gets girl in bed.

THAT is why bars/clubs have "ladies nights"...to get guys to spend their cash.

I know you didn't mean "me". It's all in good fun anyway...this is the Org after all.

Yes, but that's the difference. "Dating" isn't an exchange for services. Prostitution is.

Anyone who looks at it that way (men AND women) deserve what they get out of it.

OK, this thread is so hard to follow.

Who's sleeping with who, and for how many drinks or what amount of money?

Somebody do some cliffs notes up in this motherfucker.

CarrieMpls said:

PurpleJedi said:

Carrie...of course not...BUT IT HAPPENS. ALL THE TIME.

Guy meets girl. Guy spends wads of dough on girl to try to get in her pants. Guy (if he's got "game") gets girl in bed.

THAT is why bars/clubs have "ladies nights"...to get guys to spend their cash.

I know you didn't mean "me". It's all in good fun anyway...this is the Org after all.

Yes, but that's the difference. "Dating" isn't an exchange for services. Prostitution is.

Anyone who looks at it that way (men AND women) deserve what they get out of it.

I was referring to the ONS, which is not "dating".

Dating involves finding someone you like, courting, and hopefully it leads to something physical & emotional.

The ONS is finding a hot chick, banging her, the walk of shame, and alot of unanswered voicemails.

imago said:

OK, this thread is so hard to follow.

Who's sleeping with who, and for how many drinks or what amount of money?

Somebody do some cliffs notes up in this motherfucker.

Sorry Dan...apparently the women of the Org aren't easy...I need another scheme.

PurpleJedi said:

imago said:

OK, this thread is so hard to follow.

Who's sleeping with who, and for how many drinks or what amount of money?

Somebody do some cliffs notes up in this motherfucker.

Sorry Dan...apparently the women of the Org aren't easy...I need another scheme.

Chile, do you have to set up the jokes that easily?

PurpleJedi said:

CarrieMpls said:

Yes, but that's the difference. "Dating" isn't an exchange for services. Prostitution is.

Anyone who looks at it that way (men AND women) deserve what they get out of it.

I was referring to the ONS, which is not "dating".

Dating involves finding someone you like, courting, and hopefully it leads to something physical & emotional.

The ONS is finding a hot chick, banging her, the walk of shame, and alot of unanswered voicemails.

That's why I put "dating" in quotes.

You can have a ONS without buying anyone anything. It's still not an exchange for services.

imago said:

PurpleJedi said:

Sorry Dan...apparently the women of the Org aren't easy...I need another scheme.

Chile, do you have to set up the jokes that easily?

CarrieMpls said:

PurpleJedi said:

I was referring to the ONS, which is not "dating".

Dating involves finding someone you like, courting, and hopefully it leads to something physical & emotional.

The ONS is finding a hot chick, banging her, the walk of shame, and alot of unanswered voicemails.

That's why I put "dating" in quotes.

You can have a ONS without buying anyone anything. It's still not an exchange for services.

Okay...so basically you want flowers is what you're saying?

CaptainChaos said:

The Captain has been waiting for a good old fashioned hooker thread.

Both are great, the Captain has had lots and lots of both. Hookers are defintely cheaper. $20 , no muss, no fuss (well some muss) and you don't have to think of any excuses to leave. After a little haggling to see if she'll take coupons, you can leave the street corner or ask her to leave the ride and you're ready for the next adventure.

Shoot someone once offered me a BJ for $3.00. San Francisco is a crazy town...

CarrieMpls said:

PurpleJedi said:

I was referring to the ONS, which is not "dating".

Dating involves finding someone you like, courting, and hopefully it leads to something physical & emotional.

The ONS is finding a hot chick, banging her, the walk of shame, and alot of unanswered voicemails.

That's why I put "dating" in quotes.

You can have a ONS without buying anyone anything. It's still not an exchange for services.

You're bang on with all this Carrie.

Interesting that so many men seem to think it really is some sort of exchange for services.

Men only want sex and women only want money or material things.

I would rather stick my dick in a mincer than in a prostitute. Urgh.

JustErin said:

CarrieMpls said:

That's why I put "dating" in quotes.

You can have a ONS without buying anyone anything. It's still not an exchange for services.

You're bang on with all this Carrie.

Interesting that so many men seem to think it really is some sort of exchange for services.

Men only want sex and women only want money or material things.

Exactly.

I don't want just sex. I also want someone that's willing to listen to my dumb jokes.

JustErin said:

CarrieMpls said:

That's why I put "dating" in quotes.

You can have a ONS without buying anyone anything. It's still not an exchange for services.

You're bang on with all this Carrie.

Interesting that so many men seem to think it really is some sort of exchange for services.

Men only want sex and women only want money or material things.

yes, plus there it a difference between women who gladly let you spend money on them and their choice to sleep with you. Some women will choose to not sleep with you (me) even if you (I) do buy them stuff!

NDRU said:

JustErin said:

You're bang on with all this Carrie.

Interesting that so many men seem to think it really is some sort of exchange for services.

Men only want sex and women only want money or material things.

yes, plus there it a difference between women who gladly let you spend money on them and their choice to sleep with you. Some women will choose to not sleep with you (me) even if you (I) do buy them stuff!

There have been many nights when I've gone out and had dudes offer to buy me a drink, I pretty much always said sure, thanks. I mean, hey...if he wants to spend his money on me, whatevs.

I can't think of any time that I hooked up with any guy that bought me drinks...but then again, I never went out to clubs/bars to pick up.

PurpleJedi said:

So...this was an interesting (alcohol-fueled) discussion I had recently;

How does going out and picking up a girl (or guy) at a bar...spending a load of cash on drinks...to get in their pants once, COMPARE with hiring a call girl for the night?

One Night Stand; the girl (or guy) may be doing the same thing OR may want to pursue a relationship with you. If it's the former, then only the fact that money is changing hands really makes a difference. If it's the latter, then you're being deceiptful to get a piece, and taking advantage of someone (as opposed to a hooker who's just doing it for cash).

If it's a money issue...well you spend ALOT of money sometimes to wine & dine that person to hopefully get a piece...so you're technically "paying for sex" in a way.

I think this conversation made more sense with Tequila.

From Woody Allen`s Shadows and Fog:

KLEINMAN: I`ve never paid for sex in my life.

PROSTITUTE: Oh, you just think you haven`t.

JustErin said:

NDRU said:

yes, plus there it a difference between women who gladly let you spend money on them and their choice to sleep with you. Some women will choose to not sleep with you (me) even if you (I) do buy them stuff!

There have been many nights when I've gone out and had dudes offer to buy me a drink, I pretty much always said sure, thanks. I mean, hey...if he wants to spend his money on me, whatevs.

I can't think of any time that I hooked up with any guy that bought me drinks...but then again, I never went out to clubs/bars to pick up.

Do they know this? Awww, let the poor dudes know. Just as a PSA or charity service to them or something.

imago said:

i've never been with a prostitute

i've generally been into sex partners who are friends rather than one night stands though... my potential one night stands have usually turned into that... we'd hang out from time to time, spend enjoyable time together and have lots of sex

i did fall in love with a prostitute when i was about 15... we went to kings cross (notorious sydney strip club area)... i was walking down the street and i saw probably the most beautiful woman i'd ever seen... i just stood there in awe... then she went down some alley with a really old dude... i often thought of her through the years, wondering what her story was

MoBetterBliss said:

^

no

MoBetterBliss said: