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Seriously... im not trying to be a smart ass but how in this day and age do people die from the flu...
We have medicines to stop vomiting.. we have iintravenous IVs to prevent dehydration.. we have medicine to stop the runs.. plus an ass load of antibiotics...
Unless these people dying were frailandsickly before the flu I just dont see how this can happen ~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~ | |
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Thanks for the article, but I knew that much... When I mention antibiotics I was thinking more along the lines of when people get pnuemonia etc.. ~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~ | |
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I did read it as you requested. I would still get the flu shot. It's not a cure but for my peace of mind, I prefer the shot. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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Antibiotics are useless against viruses. People can die of dehydration from vomiting and diarrhrea. If people don't get to a hospital, they aren't likely to get an IV.
The virus can overwhelm the immune system of even healthy people. As I posted on the first page, healthy children die of the flu faster than frailer children. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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Gotcha I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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My recent bout with the flu caused this thread.Im fine now,just a dry cough.The flu did me wonders.I coughed out all the mucus,which was pre existing condition I had for about 6 months.
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I've never gotten a flu shot in my entire life and I have no plans of getting a flu shot, ever! Here's why: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SOURCES: http://articles.mercola.c...rcury.aspx http://www.prnewswire.com...32874.html http://vigilantcitizen.co...ge-autism/ http://vigilantcitizen.co...-vaccines/
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With all of THAT^ said, I prefer taking multi-vitamin supplements & silver solution as my natural flu preventions of choice. | |
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Exactly.
And I also like to add that it helps to keep the house/apartment clean as much as possible. The kitchen & bathroom should definitely be clean with bleach to kill all germs AND viruses. | |
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So for those of you who reject a flu shot, would you reject vaccinations required or recommended when travelling outside the U.S. or your native country?
I do have a passport and had to verify my shots were up to date. One I had to get again because it was easier than looking for the evidence that I had had it.
Just wondering if the aversion is just the flu shot or any shot to prevent infection and/or illness. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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Vaccinations for other dieases have been given, Polio, MMR, and others.... my children and I are up to date on all other shots. I made sure my kids were vaccinated because we live in a gateway city and old diseases that Americans haven't suffered from in years are starting to have a re-surgence due to immigrants bringing on new outbreaks.Such as scabies, bedbugs, and whooping cough.
In my state there is a health scare right now for the flu... 750 confirmed cases and now 18+ deaths due to influenze outbreak. So I will be seeking a flu shot for myself now. I am NOT looking forward to it at all.
Not too late to get shots because doctors are predicting that this flu season will last well into late March. | |
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Where did you pull this quote regarding safe levels of mercury?
I suspect this is another instance of applying guidelines used for exposure to methylmercury (the form of mercury found in the environment IE in fish) to ethylmercury (which is much, much less toxic), a very common scare tactic among anti-vaccinationists.
http://www.who.int/vaccin...index.html
Four independently conducted epidemiological studies investigating associations and frequency of neurobehavioural disorders in relation to vaccination with thiomersal-containing vaccines have been completed in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Denmark. The findings from these studies do not challenge the safety of existing thiomersal-containing vaccines in infants. [Edited 1/11/13 4:06am] | |
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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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every time i get a flu vaccine i end up really sick
so now i avoid getting one and the flu avoids me mailto:www.iDon'tThinkSo.com.Uranus | |
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If they would say, "get the flu shot and noone will EVER get the flu" I would probably be ok with it... There are way to many strains of the flu...
I and my children are fully vaccinated against those illnesses that they were able to eradicate... ~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~ | |
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Same. | |
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Awesome, well welcome back.
Anyway, I get the need to cut down on a possible epidemic and I'm not opposed to people who tend to be at risk doing what they need to do, but I just think for something that seems to be as common as the flu, if someone like myself has lived decades without or rarely contracting it and they don't seem to be in any of the high risk groups, the insistance that they must be vaccinated or die is off putting at the least. Most other things you get vaccinated for either are rare and are coupled with a high mortality rate or seem to have some high percentage of crippling lifetime affects, so sure I'd get vaccinated for stuff like that. Most people like the cold get over the flue no worse for wear, but it does cut down on work productivity more than anything else. | |
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Every time anyone got on my case about anything from getting vaccinated to eating canned fish, I told them "I'm low on my mercury" and they had a huge laugh and shut up. | |
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This has proven to be a very interesting thread. I'd like to add a couple things to what I said before.
First of all, I'm not like, "I've never had the flu so I'm not getting it, duuuude." I know there is a risk to not getting it and I understand it. It's an educated decision.
However, as other people have pointed out, there are any number of risks associated with getting it, as well. And there are plenty of times (endless, really) when the government or the medical community has told us something was safe that proved to be otherwise years later.
Personally, I choose to not put those viruses, dead or otherwise, into my body, ever. But I choose not to put a lot of things into my body (haha, joke joke). I'm a vegetarian, I don't drink soda, I don't use supplements, I haven't used antibiotics in, like, forever, I don't take vitamns, I eat as little heavily preserved food as possible. Choosing not to get flu shots is in line with the way I live my life.
I do agree with what Tina said, though. If it was a one time vaccination, like polio, I'd get it.
Also, yes, travelling internationally does not allow a choice in the matter. If a vaccination is required, fine.
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They are only rare because the vast majority of the population has been immunized against them so the virus can't spread, or is harmless to those exposed when it does. IF people hadn't had to be vaccinated for school for the past 40 years or more, they would not be rare and have a higher mortality rate.
You're enjoying the benefits of those efforts to eradicate those diseases. They don't stay eradicated because globally, the same effort at immunization hasn't been enacted. I wonder if you could travel to Pakistan these days without getting a smallpox booster? Not something anyone wants to see you bring back as a souvenir. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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I have no objection to getting vaccinated for other potentially deadly diseases whether nearly eradicated or prevalent in third world countries because the risk of not doing so and getting seriously ill outweighs the potential side effects of getting a one-time shot.
But when it comes to the flu virus, public officials are recommending getting a shot every year since the virus mutates rapidly and strains change from year to year, and what was effective last year may do you no good at all the following year. Plus, the viruses they use in the flu vaccines are actually live viruses that have been genetically modified not to do serious damage in the body. However, every person's immune system is different, and while most people can get a flu shot without any ill effects, some people get some serious adverse reactions that can lead to temporary or even permanent brain or nerve damage.
Speaking of which, I'm all in favor of getting kids and babies vaccinated, but I think the actress and former Playboy Playmate Jenny McCarthy has been getting a lot of unwarranted hate from people about her stance on vaccines. She has a son with autism, yet he was a very healthy baby until he received his first vaccination. Now a lot of experts have been trying to downplay the link between vaccinations and neurological disorders by claiming today's vaccines are even safer than the smallpox and polio vaccines of old, but as those who mentioned earlier that most vaccines contain thimerosal, which is a mercury byproduct and known neurotoxin, and that this chemical is being given to very small children, it definitely increases the risk of adverse reactions. There's also the possibilty of tainted batches of vaccine being administered that are probably being swept under the rug. In fact, a number of people recently have died because of a contaminated batch of injectable steroids. Health experts believ the batches bcame contaminated when two or more drugs were combined into the injectable mix. When you consider that todays vaccines contain live chicken pox, smallpox, polio, rubella, measles, pertussis (whooping cough), and mumps all in one dose, I'd say there's a good chance that a batch could be come tainted in the lab from improper handling.
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No injection for any vaccination contains live virus. Your body doesn't need live virus, dead one's work. The only live virus vaccination is oral.
Btw, live polio and smallpox would definitely make you diagnosibly ill. You would actually contract polio and smallpox if injected with live virus as you would have no prior immunity. Not sure about the others but those two, live virus would cause illness. [Edited 1/11/13 20:35pm] I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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Regarding the risk of vaccine injury: there is a minimal risk with any vaccine, but ultimately the broader risk posed from not being vaccinated (to one’s self and to the broader population) far exceeds any danger posed from the vaccine itself, which is why the vaccination programs are supported by organizations like the cdc & the WHO. Using the very minimal potential for harm as a rational for avoiding the vaccine seems like a ‘tragedy of the commons’ scenario to me.
By the way, I noticed you posted a video related to the Desiree Jennings case earlier. The case for Jennings having Dystonia from a vaccine injury is highly contested, and most of the expert opinion on her case was that she had not suffered neurological damage.
http://theness.com/neurol...shot-case/
The movements and symptoms that Ms. Jennings displays on the public videos I have seen (linked to above) are not compatible with the diagnosis of dystonia, or any other movement disorder. Dystonia is one type of involuntary contraction of muscles. It can be reduced or exacerbated by certain movements or positions, and there are “task specific” dystonia, such as writer’s cramp, that come out only with certain activity. Jennings does not display the type of movements that are consistent with dystonia. Her speech and movement are, however, very suggestive of a psychogenic disorder.
This also seems to be the consensus opinion of experts who have viewed this case. The Dystonia Medical Research Foundation had this to say about the case:
"Because of the concern of individuals with dystonia as to whether or not to get a flu shot because of this reported case, we have sought the opinion of dystonia experts on this case. Based on the footage that has been shared with the public, it is their unanimous consensus that this case does not appear to be dystonia." The one news report that I saw that actually consulted an expert for their opinion was Fox News. Leigh Vinocur, and emergency room physician, was interviewed and relayed the opinion that the neurologists she consulted were of the opinion that Jennings’ symptoms were consistent with a psychogenic disorder. In other words – her symptoms are not neurological, they are psychological. This does not mean she has any insight or voluntary control over her symptoms – they are involuntary and “real” – just not neurological in origin. Symptoms such as this are not uncommon reactions to emotional stress in some individuals. Given the evidence presented, I think this is a reasonable opinion.
Regarding McCarthy: stating that her son was healthy until the time of his vaccination is misleading. It is more likely that her son was undiagnosed prior to the vaccination. Autism is often diagnosed around the time that first vaccination schedules are administered, and this correlation has been miss-used to try to establish that vaccines caused the disease. Repeated epidemiological studies have shown that there is no causal relationship between thimerosal and autism. The correlation exists because the timing of the expression of symptoms often coincides with the vaccine schedule, no question, but the causal relationship has not been established – there is no greater tendency to autism among populations that have been exposed to thimerosal or general vaccines than those who have not.
Your post also contains a false-hood – that most vaccines contain thimerosal. Even though there was no established health risk to its use, thimerosal was broadly phased out as a preservative in the last decade, mainly in response to the public hysteria drummed up by the fraudulent Wakefield study which was subsequently retracted by the Lancet. It is not used in childhood vaccines except for some flu shots.
http://www.fda.gov/Biolog...6228#intro
Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.
And, as I pointed out back in post #104, thimerosal is a derivative of ethylmercury, not methylmercury, which has much shorter half-life and is passed through the body in a very efficient manner. The EPA safety limits cited by antivaccinationists apply to methylmercury, and those safety guidelines incorporate a tenfold safety buffer as a protection to segments of the population that may be more susceptible to mercury toxicity.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccin..._faqs.html Thimerosal contains a different form of mercury called ethylmercury. Studies comparing ethylmercury and methylmercury suggest that they are processed differently in the human body. Ethylmercury is broken down and excreted much more rapidly than methylmercury. Therefore, ethylmercury (the type of mercury found in the influenza vaccine) is much less likely than methylmercury (the type of mercury in the environment) to accumulate in the body and cause harm.
Studies related to the safety of vaccines containing thimerosal:
A total of 378 statistical tests were conducted. Each child was tested on 42 neuropsychological outcomes, 3 exposure periods and the full model plus gender specific analyses. Among the 42 outcomes measured, the study found that the majority of the outcomes had NO association with thimerosal exposure and most associations would be what is expected by chance alone. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccin..._outcomes/
Administration of vaccines containing thiomersal does not seem to raise blood concentrations of mercury above safe values in infants. Ethylmercury seems to be eliminated from blood rapidly via the stools after parenteral administration of thiomersal in vaccines.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...d/12480426
Conclusions Our study does not support a causal association between early exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines and immune globulins and deficits in neuropsychological functioning at the age of 7 to 10 years.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/f...JMoa071434
Conclusions. Studies do not demonstrate a link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and ASD, and the pharmacokinetics of ethylmercury make such an association less likely. Epidemiologic studies that support a link demonstrated significant design flaws that invalidate their conclusions. Evidence does not support a change in the standard of practice with regard to administration of thimerosal-containing vaccines in areas of the world where they are used.
http://pediatrics.aappubl...3.abstract
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Tuskegee running in the back of my mind. | |
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That could be a rationale for avoiding any and all medical treatment.
Flu shots are not administered by the government, nor does the government manufacture the vaccines. Nor are the vaccines restricted to one segment of the population.
Nobody is being experimented on when given a flu shot. If you believe they are, then you could say the same of any medication, prescription or over the counter. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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I had the flu once as an adult and like someone else said, I thought I was going to die. I have never been that sick! I was healthy then too. Still in my 20's. My boys were young at the time, and they had gotten it first. Those poor things were so sick, they literally crawled out of bed to use the bathroom. When I got it, I was calling my mom every day, crying. I couldn't get out of bed. It was just the worst. Nobody really got flu shots then like they do now. When they started to become the norm, we got them and have been ever since.
I've been on chemo for years, and my oncology clinic is crazy about making sure all their patients get the shot starting around October. | |
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That could be a rationale for avoiding any and all medical treatment.
Flu shots are not administered by the government, nor does the government manufacture the vaccines. Nor are the vaccines restricted to one segment of the population.
Nobody is being experimented on when given a flu shot. If you believe they are, then you could say the same of any medication, prescription or over the counter. | |
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