LittleBLUECorvette said:

Spike just being Spike, nothin to see here folks.

I will see DJango Unchained and I will still be a Spike Lee fan.

Yes, that's what I said in my original post, that this isn't anything new with Spike, but damn it's annoying as fuck. Every time a somewhat decent movie (with a little bit of criticism) comes along involving subject matter of black folks, here comes the midget with his big mouth...like the grinch who stole Christmas. Sure it's the same shit, different day and year with him, but I can't help it if audiences haven't seen his movies in recent years. Shucks maybe I would go support him, but like I said earlier, I had no idea that Red Hook Summer was out, nor had I seen any previews for it at all.

Like you, I will definitely be going to see Django Unchained though, sometime this week.

Gunsnhalen said:

missfee said:

Ouch. I bet he added "muthafucka" to the end of that sentence too.

I thought that was a bit harsh... cause Sam was in Do The Right Thing & i think all of Spikes movies in the 90s were great

Ugh! it sucks when 2 artist you like are at such odds.

At one time, especially early in Sam's career, they were tight...I guess. He was in quite of few of Spike's movies "Do the right Thing", "School Daze", "Jungle Fever" (how can you forget that crackhead dance he did, lol!) and "Mo' Better Blues" (when he beat the shit out of Denzel with his own trumpet ). But I remember when the beef started when Sam was in "Pulp Fiction" and Spike made harsh comments about the movie and blah blah blah. I do remember Sam made a response directly to Spike's response in regards to Spike's accusation of the movie being "racist" or some bull and since that very time, Sam Jackson hasn't been in a Spike Lee movie since.

I'm sure Sam's reaction to Spike's "bitch moment" this time will be...

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Timmy84 said:

LOL I ain't been a fan of his films since He Got Game...to be honest. Bamboozled was probably the last decent film he made and he was starting to lose his touch then.

I wasn't really a fan of Bamboozled...though I know folks thought it was pretty good. IMO, the last movie I felt was really good of his with an original script was "Mo' Better Blues". Great music, loved the jazz scene, spectacular cast and the script wasn't weird. After that, he's been touch and go with me. I remember going to see the "25th Hour" and it literally felt like the 25th hour when I walked out that theater. Horrible. I never really saw "He Got Game" all the way through, I don't really consider "Girl 6" a good movie, although it's something I watch when nothing else is on , and don't get me started on "She Hate Me"...that movie was just a soft porno with a bad script. Only one time of watching that mess was enough for me. I've always wanted to see "Inside Man" as a whole, but only have seen bits and parts.

One of his movies I really enjoyed was "Crooklyn," which might be considered "fluff" by some, but I found it quite entertainiing. I also thought "Do the Right Thing" was one of his better films. Robin Harris stole the film, IMO. Even though it was a very small part, he was hilarious. I"ll never forget "Sweet Dick Willy!"

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I love Spike, and I respect much of what he says, even as I often disagree with him. I don't understand, though, how he can draw the conclusion Django is disrespectful to his ancestors if he hasn't yet seen it.

I wonder if he's read the screenplay.

Lammastide said:

No offense but regardless of what Lee's opinions are or whats the cause of them, I have a problem with opinions that non blacks have about blacks opinions regarding matters such as these.

Lammastide said:

I love Spike, and I respect much of what he says, even as I often disagree with him. I don't understand, though, how he can draw the conclusion Django is disrespectful to his ancestors if he hasn't yet seen it.

I wonder if he's read the screenplay.

It's the judge yet not be seen theory. As if people think they can pre-judge a film before they see it. We're all guilty of it in one form or another but when it comes to things such as this, some people think they're always right. That's the ultimate issue with Spike regarding movies like this.

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

LOL I ain't been a fan of his films since He Got Game...to be honest. Bamboozled was probably the last decent film he made and he was starting to lose his touch then.

I wasn't really a fan of Bamboozled...though I know folks thought it was pretty good. IMO, the last movie I felt was really good of his with an original script was "Mo' Better Blues". Great music, loved the jazz scene, spectacular cast and the script wasn't weird. After that, he's been touch and go with me. I remember going to see the "25th Hour" and it literally felt like the 25th hour when I walked out that theater. Horrible. I never really saw "He Got Game" all the way through, I don't really consider "Girl 6" a good movie, although it's something I watch when nothing else is on , and don't get me started on "She Hate Me"...that movie was just a soft porno with a bad script. Only one time of watching that mess was enough for me. I've always wanted to see "Inside Man" as a whole, but only have seen bits and parts.

I tried watching She Hates Me but I remember flipping channels... it sucked that bad. Girl 6 ebbed and flowed. Like I said he had started (or was rapidly) losing his touch during the time Bamboozled came out. It wasn't the shock and awe of Do the Right Thing (which itself was a confusing film to me though it was emotionally raw considering what was going on in the late 1980s in New York City) or the knowledge is power (and confusing) of School Daze (like why did it end with Laurence Fishburne screaming? LOL). I do think Mo Better Blues was the best film he ever made though and he tried repeating the flow of its production with the Malcolm X biography. As much of a talented director and somewhat talented screenwriter (or co-writer?) he is, most of his films are confusing. He's like a political, black Woody Allen with the lame punchlines. Plus he couldn't act WORTH a damn lmao

Lammastide said:

I love Spike, and I respect much of what he says, even as I often disagree with him. I don't understand, though, how he can draw the conclusion Django is disrespectful to his ancestors if he hasn't yet seen it.

I wonder if he's read the screenplay.

Right! Exactly. It would be a whole different thing if he had seen the movie and THEN gave his opinion. If that was the case, then oh well, if you don't like then you don't like it...but when you give an opinion about something you know nothing about then it's cause to give a side eye.

My great great grandma was a slave in Suriname.I have done some research into it.Pretty amazing and sick at the same time..not even that long ago come to think about it..

Don't give a shit about Django and Spike Lee's rap about this regarding slavery..Django..pleasee..

Slavery,child labour,sex tourism etc..do something about that..get mad about that..not your Hollywood con artists and hacks..

But yet another "General discussion" thread which makes me wanna puke over this site and the regular posters and bootlickers..LOL.

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^ Enslavement has been going on in other countries in like forever so this doesn't surprise me one bit. It's really disgusting though.

That's just Spike Lee being Spike Lee. I love Crooklyn! And Do the Right Thing!

It used to be that watching any Spike Lee movie in the theater was interesting from School Daze to Jungle Fever...

I'm curious what would have happened if Tarrantino had ever collaborated AGAIN with his co-creator of "Pulp Fiction"... Roger Avary.

Remember this scene from Avary's "Rules of Attraction" (based on the novel by Bret Easton Ellis in the same universe as American Psycho)?

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missfee said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I thought that was a bit harsh... cause Sam was in Do The Right Thing & i think all of Spikes movies in the 90s were great

Ugh! it sucks when 2 artist you like are at such odds.

At one time, especially early in Sam's career, they were tight...I guess. He was in quite of few of Spike's movies "Do the right Thing", "School Daze", "Jungle Fever" (how can you forget that crackhead dance he did, lol!) and "Mo' Better Blues" (when he beat the shit out of Denzel with his own trumpet ). But I remember when the beef started when Sam was in "Pulp Fiction" and Spike made harsh comments about the movie and blah blah blah. I do remember Sam made a response directly to Spike's response in regards to Spike's accusation of the movie being "racist" or some bull and since that very time, Sam Jackson hasn't been in a Spike Lee movie since.

I'm sure Sam's reaction to Spike's "bitch moment" this time will be...

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I can see why Sam is faithful to Tarantino.

I mean Tarantino pretty much boosted his career. After Pulp Fiction is when Sam started doing EVERYTHING and getting big billings.

Gunsnhalen said:

missfee said:

At one time, especially early in Sam's career, they were tight...I guess. He was in quite of few of Spike's movies "Do the right Thing", "School Daze", "Jungle Fever" (how can you forget that crackhead dance he did, lol!) and "Mo' Better Blues" (when he beat the shit out of Denzel with his own trumpet ). But I remember when the beef started when Sam was in "Pulp Fiction" and Spike made harsh comments about the movie and blah blah blah. I do remember Sam made a response directly to Spike's response in regards to Spike's accusation of the movie being "racist" or some bull and since that very time, Sam Jackson hasn't been in a Spike Lee movie since.

I'm sure Sam's reaction to Spike's "bitch moment" this time will be...

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I can see why Sam is faithful to Tarantino.

I mean Tarantino pretty much boosted his career. After Pulp Fiction is when Sam started doing EVERYTHING and getting big billings.

It's funny because Spike did help Samuel get parts but it seemed Pulp Fiction took Sam farther than any movie Spike had him in. That adds to the butthurt for Spike.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I can see why Sam is faithful to Tarantino.

I mean Tarantino pretty much boosted his career. After Pulp Fiction is when Sam started doing EVERYTHING and getting big billings.

It's funny because Spike did help Samuel get parts but it seemed Pulp Fiction took Sam farther than any movie Spike had him in. That adds to the butthurt for Spike.

exactly.

Not to mention Tarantino put him Jackie Brown as a co-lead role, and small parts in Kill Bill & Inglorius Bastards.

Sam also had a bit part in True Romance which Quentin wrote & he auditoned early on for Reservoir Dogs & Tarantino told him he wasn't right for the part. But he was better suited for Jules in Pulp..

Basically Quintin hooked him up and from what it seems Spike didn't do shit for the homie.

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

It's funny because Spike did help Samuel get parts but it seemed Pulp Fiction took Sam farther than any movie Spike had him in. That adds to the butthurt for Spike.

exactly.

Not to mention Tarantino put him Jackie Brown as a co-lead role, and small parts in Kill Bill & Inglorius Bastards.

Sam also had a bit part in True Romance which Quentin wrote & he auditoned early on for Reservoir Dogs & Tarantino told him he wasn't right for the part. But he was better suited for Jules in Pulp..

Basically Quintin hooked him up and from what it seems Spike didn't do shit for the homie.

Nope.

emile58 said:

My great great grandma was a slave in Suriname.I have done some research into it.Pretty amazing and sick at the same time..not even that long ago come to think about it..

Don't give a shit about Django and Spike Lee's rap about this regarding slavery..Django..pleasee..

Slavery,child labour,sex tourism etc..do something about that..get mad about that..not your Hollywood con artists and hacks..

But yet another "General discussion" thread which makes me wanna puke over this site and the regular posters and bootlickers..LOL.

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smh.. i saw part of this documentary before. Sad sad shit man.. just... damn

missfee said:

What I really don't get is that how he can have an opinion on a film he hasn't even seen? I mean its one thing to say, "I don't have any interest in seeing it. That's it"...but it's another to say I don't have any interest because it "disrespects my ancestors"

Exactly! Nothing wrong with having no interest in it or hating Tarentino in general, but you can't have an opinion (or at least, not a valid one) on a film you haven't seen

That said, I kind of agree with Spike in that QT is not the right guy to handle serious topics. I didn't like Inglorious Basterds for that reason. His movies are just too fantastic and too silly for a topic so serious as the holocaust & Hitler.

It had some great scenes, but I just don't take them seriously. With QT I always think "this is a great piece of acting/writing" it doesn't move me emotionally.

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NDRU said:

That said, I kind of agree with Spike in that QT is not the right guy to handle serious topics. I didn't like Inglorious Basterds for that reason. His movies are just too fantastic and too silly for a topic so serious as the holocaust & Hitler.

It had some great scenes, but I just don't take them seriously. With QT I always think "this is a great piece of acting/writing" it doesn't move me emotionally.

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Well if he wasn't the "right guy", Sheldon should have gotten off his ass, and done something about it. Spike is the father of "Missed Opportunity". If he wants to tell our story, then tell it...(again, I said, he should have been the one to direct, "Red Tails"). What's with this "passive aggressive" shit...He's always flapping his gums about, "Nobody knows our story and plight, better than us and we should be the one's to tell it"; Then when the opportunity comes along for him to do so, not only is he is too lazy to get his azz out of his courtside seat to direct it, he's the first one to complain when somebody else takes advantage of telling a story that HE should have been the one to tell!! Spike has become too complacent because of a few gems, and should sit his, "Jimoney Cricket" ass, down.... As my mother always say, "You can't be, wrong and strong, at the same time"

shorttrini said:

NDRU said:

That said, I kind of agree with Spike in that QT is not the right guy to handle serious topics. I didn't like Inglorious Basterds for that reason. His movies are just too fantastic and too silly for a topic so serious as the holocaust & Hitler.

It had some great scenes, but I just don't take them seriously. With QT I always think "this is a great piece of acting/writing" it doesn't move me emotionally.

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Well if he wasn't the "right guy", Sheldon should have gotten off his ass, and done something about it. Spike is the father of "Missed Opportunity". If he wants to tell our story, then tell it...(again, I said, he should have been the one to direct, "Red Tails"). What's with this "passive aggressive" shit...He's always flapping his gums about, "Nobody knows our story and plight, better than us and we should be the one's to tell it"; Then when the opportunity comes along for him to do so, not only is he is too lazy to get his azz out of his courtside seat to direct it, he's the first one to complain when somebody else takes advantage of telling a story that HE should have been the one to tell!! Spike has become too complacent because of a few gems, and should sit his, "Jimoney Cricket" ass, down.... As my mother always say, "You can't be, wrong and strong, at the same time"

Yeah still playing that sob story... it's not 1994 anymore, Spike, let it go...

shorttrini said:

NDRU said:

That said, I kind of agree with Spike in that QT is not the right guy to handle serious topics. I didn't like Inglorious Basterds for that reason. His movies are just too fantastic and too silly for a topic so serious as the holocaust & Hitler.

It had some great scenes, but I just don't take them seriously. With QT I always think "this is a great piece of acting/writing" it doesn't move me emotionally.

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Well if he wasn't the "right guy", Sheldon should have gotten off his ass, and done something about it. Spike is the father of "Missed Opportunity". If he wants to tell our story, then tell it...(again, I said, he should have been the one to direct, "Red Tails"). What's with this "passive aggressive" shit...He's always flapping his gums about, "Nobody knows our story and plight, better than us and we should be the one's to tell it"; Then when the opportunity comes along for him to do so, not only is he is too lazy to get his azz out of his courtside seat to direct it, he's the first one to complain when somebody else takes advantage of telling a story that HE should have been the one to tell!! Spike has become too complacent because of a few gems, and should sit his, "Jimoney Cricket" ass, down.... As my mother always say, "You can't be, wrong and strong, at the same time"

Well, like I said above I am not judging this particular movie without having seen it. And I almost certainly will see it. My comments are based on his past movies and I.B. in particular.

I'm just saying I see both where his opinions of QT are coming from, and that he is ridiculous to say something is disrespectful when he has no idea.

For the record, I saw DJango: Unchained last night and I loved it. As a matter of fact the movie theatre was packed and the majority was black folks. We all cheered and clapped to see white folks get their comeuppance in the film. This movie is not a documentary or based on a true story the backdrop just happens to be during the time of slavery. The scenes involving torture was hard to watch and the N-word bandied about didnt affect me as much but I wouldnt suggest taking your kids to see the film.

Spike Lee just have a seat........Why do we go to the movies? For Escapism and entertainment

Love Christoph Waltz....My new celebrity crush

So now people want Spike to STFU? People were co-signing what he had to say a few months ago.

I don't dig Tarantino's work and never have so I didn't need Spike's opinion one way or the other but at least he's an equal opportunity hater.

babynoz said:

So now people want Spike to STFU? People were co-signing what he had to say a few months ago.

I don't dig Tarantino's work and never have so I didn't need Spike's opinion one way or the other but at least he's an equal opportunity hater.

Bottom line: he still puts his foot in his mouth regardless if I agree with his views or not, that's fair, right?

I'm gonna pass on DJango.

Maybe what we need is slavery's "Shindler's List", but I couldn't get through that, so I sure as hell couldn't get through the slavery version.

babynoz said:

So now people want Spike to STFU? People were co-signing what he had to say a few months ago.

I don't dig Tarantino's work and never have so I didn't need Spike's opinion one way or the other but at least he's an equal opportunity hater.

I don't recall what he said a few months ago but I have wanted him to STFU a few years now.