LittleBLUECorvette said:

The 70s were very watered down, the league was not at it's strongest, with top talent fighting for their lives in another rival league. Of those names, only Kareem is a top 10 talent. Wilt was past his prime. Rick Barry eas very good though, but he spent years between both the NBA and ABA.

Correctomundo.

If we were talking in terms of PRO BASKETBALL decades, the 70's would have a shot.

The fact that a lot of great players, and more than 1 or 2 great teams, flourished in the 70s in spite of the cocaine epidemic is impressive.

But I think the 80s* is still the best. Magic and Bird rebuilt the NBA, while MJ took it even higher. And the 80s was a decade of real titans in terms of great teams.

* -- I am picking an actual decade, not a 10-year time frame. If I were, I'd probably say 1982-1992 (Magic-Bird-MJ, Lakers, Celtics, 83 Sixers, and THREE back-to-back champs).

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

Scottie got close 2 making the NBA Finals twice without Jordan at his side.

MJ got no where near the Finals without Scottie.

Scottie was how old when he got close, i.e. quit on his team? And was that a team that had just won 3 world championships in a row?

MJ was how old when he came back? And did he come back to a team that had won any championships. or even made the playoffs in the last decade?

Again, Pippen was OK. But Top 50? Not IMHO.

And he was DEFINITELY a quitter.

Dude u are on an island of 1 as it relates 2 Scottie.

if you took the best of the best of the Bull's during Jordon's peak... they would lose to the average NBA teams today.

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

U calling Malone a stiff?

Pippen. And you know it!

Bullshit. Scottie Pippen is THE innovator of the "point forward", which is basically a forward (small OR power) with ballhandling skills of a point guard. 8-) And lets not forget that Scottie was also a defensive specialist.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if you took the best of the best of the Bull's during Jordon's peak... they would lose to the average NBA teams today.

Lol......keep dreaming.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if you took the best of the best of the Bull's during Jordon's peak... they would lose to the average NBA teams today.

1995-96 Chicago Bulls team (the one with Jordan/Pippen/Rodman than has THE best regular season record of all-times at 72-10!) would have defeated 2 out of the 3 Bryant/O'Neal era L.A. Lakers championship teams.

James/Wade/Bosh era Miami Heat would have damn nearly been swept in the NBA Final against THAT^ same Chicago Bulls championship team.

Graycap23 said:

JoeTyler said:

I've heard that before

Scottie Pippen = aka the guy who won six rings with MJ on his side lol

Scottie got close 2 making the NBA Finals twice without Jordan at his side.

MJ got no where near the Finals without Scottie.

Here is something most people like to sweep under the rug. Jordan without out Pippen was basically a better version of Tracy McGrady. Jordan never got passed the first round, never won more than one game in those 1st round exist and his highest win total was one game vs. Milwuakee I belive in 1985.

TonyVanDam said:

RodeoSchro said:

Pippen. And you know it!

Bullshit. Scottie Pippen is THE innovator of the "point forward", which is basically a forward (small OR power) with ballhandling skills of a point guard. 8-) And lets not forget that Scottie was also a defensive specialist.

Marques Johnson of the Buck was thw first point forward years before Pippen.

The 95-96 Bulls may have had the best regular season record ever (in a watered down league), but I don't regard them as the best team of all time. I'll take the 85 & 87 Lakers, 84 & 86 Celtics, 83 Sixers, 67 Sixers over the 96 Bulls.

uPtoWnNY said:

The 95-96 Bulls may have had the best regular season record ever (in a watered down league), but I don't regard them as the best team of all time. I'll take the 85 & 87 Lakers, 84 & 86 Celtics, 83 Sixers, 67 Sixers over the 96 Bulls.

damn, if you're including the 67 Sixers then add the 70-73 Knicks !!

JoeTyler said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The 95-96 Bulls may have had the best regular season record ever (in a watered down league), but I don't regard them as the best team of all time. I'll take the 85 & 87 Lakers, 84 & 86 Celtics, 83 Sixers, 67 Sixers over the 96 Bulls.

damn, if you're including the 67 Sixers then add the 70-73 Knicks !!

LittleBLUECorvette said:

TonyVanDam said:

Bullshit. Scottie Pippen is THE innovator of the "point forward", which is basically a forward (small OR power) with ballhandling skills of a point guard. 8-) And lets not forget that Scottie was also a defensive specialist.

Marques Johnson of the Buck was thw first point forward years before Pippen.

I stand corrected. But Marques NEVER won a NBA championship ring though.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

TonyVanDam said:

Bullshit. Scottie Pippen is THE innovator of the "point forward", which is basically a forward (small OR power) with ballhandling skills of a point guard. 8-) And lets not forget that Scottie was also a defensive specialist.

Marques Johnson of the Buck was thw first point forward years before Pippen.

Johnson was no where near the players Scotties was....especially on DEFENSE.

TonyVanDam said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Marques Johnson of the Buck was thw first point forward years before Pippen.

I stand corrected. But Marques NEVER won a NBA championship ring though.

He played with Sidney Moncrief insead of Jordan though. Not a bad player, but no MJ.

Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Marques Johnson of the Buck was thw first point forward years before Pippen.

Johnson was no where near the players Scotties was....especially on DEFENSE.

Johnson was better at everything basically besides Defense.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

Johnson was no where near the players Scotties was....especially on DEFENSE.

Johnson was better at everything basically besides Defense.

based on what? Scottie more points, assist, rebounds, titles,etc........Name is scattered across the NBA’s all-time leader board: 40th in total points (18,940), fourth in steals (2,307), tied for 16th in steals per game (1.96), 23rd in assists (6,135), 13th in minutes (41,069), 16th in minutes per game (34.9), 32nd in three-point field goals made (978)

[Edited 12/10/12 11:20am]

Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Johnson was better at everything basically besides Defense.

based on what? Scottie more points, assist, rebounds, titles,etc........Name is scattered across the NBA’s all-time leader board: 40th in total points (18,940), fourth in steals (2,307), tied for 16th in steals per game (1.96), 23rd in assists (6,135), 13th in minutes (41,069), 16th in minutes per game (34.9), 32nd in three-point field goals made (978)

								REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR	TEAM	G	GS	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	OFF	DEF	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
87-88	CHI	79	0	20.9	.463	.174	.576	1.50	2.30	3.80	2.1	1.15	.66	1.66	2.70	7.9
88-89	CHI	73	56	33.1	.476	.273	.668	1.90	4.20	6.10	3.5	1.90	.84	2.73	3.60	14.4
89-90	CHI	82	82	38.4	.489	.250	.675	1.80	4.80	6.70	5.4	2.57	1.23	3.39	3.60	16.5
90-91	CHI	82	82	36.8	.520	.309	.706	2.00	5.30	7.30	6.2	2.35	1.13	2.83	3.30	17.8
91-92	CHI	82	82	38.6	.506	.200	.760	2.30	5.40	7.70	7.0	1.89	1.13	3.09	3.00	21.0
92-93	CHI	81	81	38.6	.473	.237	.663	2.50	5.20	7.70	6.3	2.14	.90	3.04	2.70	18.6
93-94	CHI	72	72	38.3	.491	.320	.660	2.40	6.30	8.70	5.6	2.93	.81	3.22	3.20	22.0
94-95	CHI	79	79	38.2	.480	.345	.716	2.20	5.90	8.10	5.2	2.94	1.13	3.43	3.00	21.4
95-96	CHI	77	77	36.7	.463	.374	.679	2.00	4.50	6.40	5.9	1.73	.74	2.69	2.60	19.4
96-97	CHI	82	82	37.7	.474	.368	.701	2.00	4.50	6.50	5.7	1.88	.55	2.61	2.60	20.2
97-98	CHI	44	44	37.5	.447	.318	.777	1.20	4.00	5.20	5.8	1.80	.98	2.48	2.60	19.1
98-99	HOU	50	50	40.2	.432	.340	.721	1.30	5.20	6.50	5.9	1.96	.74	3.18	2.40	14.5
99-00	POR	82	82	33.5	.451	.327	.717	1.40	4.90	6.30	5.0	1.43	.50	2.54	2.50	12.5
00-01	POR	64	60	33.3	.451	.344	.739	1.10	4.10	5.20	4.6	1.47	.55	2.41	2.50	11.3
01-02	POR	62	60	32.2	.411	.305	.774	1.20	3.90	5.20	5.9	1.63	.56	2.76	2.60	10.6
02-03	POR	64	58	29.9	.444	.286	.818	.90	3.50	4.30	4.5	1.64	.39	2.56	2.30	10.8
03-04	CHI	23	6	17.9	.379	.271	.630	.90	2.10	3.00	2.2	.91	.39	1.26	1.70	5.9
Career		1,178	1,053	34.9	.473	.326	.704	1.80	4.60	6.40	5.2	1.96	.80	2.76	2.80	16.1

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Season	Age	Tm	Lg	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Career			NBA	691	359	34.3	8.3	16.0	.518	0.0	0.2	.152	3.5	4.7	.739	2.6	4.3	7.0	3.6	1.3	0.8	2.4	2.6	20.1
1977-78	21	MIL	NBA	80		34.6	7.9	15.1	.522				3.8	5.1	.736	3.7	6.9	10.6	2.4	1.2	1.3	2.2	2.8	19.5
1978-79	22	MIL	NBA	77		36.1	10.6	19.4	.550				4.3	5.7	.760	2.8	4.9	7.6	3.0	1.5	1.2	2.2	2.4	25.6
1979-80	23	MIL	NBA	77		34.9	8.9	16.5	.544	0.0	0.1	.222	3.8	4.8	.791	2.8	4.5	7.4	3.5	1.3	0.9	2.4	2.2	21.7
1980-81	24	MIL	NBA	76		33.4	8.4	15.2	.552	0.0	0.1	.000	3.5	5.0	.706	3.0	3.9	6.8	4.6	1.5	0.5	2.5	2.6	20.3
1981-82	25	MIL	NBA	60	52	31.7	6.7	12.7	.532	0.0	0.1	.000	3.0	4.3	.700	2.6	3.5	6.1	3.6	1.0	0.6	2.4	2.4	16.5
1982-83	26	MIL	NBA	80	80	35.7	9.0	17.8	.509	0.1	0.3	.200	3.3	4.5	.735	2.5	4.6	7.0	4.5	1.3	0.7	2.5	2.6	21.4
1983-84	27	MIL	NBA	74	74	36.7	8.7	17.4	.502	0.0	0.2	.154	3.3	4.6	.709	2.3	4.1	6.5	4.3	1.6	0.6	2.4	2.6	20.7
1984-85	28	LAC	NBA	72	68	34.0	6.9	15.2	.452	0.0	0.2	.231	2.6	3.6	.731	2.6	3.3	5.9	3.4	1.0	0.4	2.4	2.7	16.4
1985-86	29	LAC	NBA	75	75	34.7	8.2	16.0	.510	0.0	0.2	.067	4.0	5.2	.760	2.1	3.5	5.5	3.8	1.4	0.7	2.4	2.9	20.3
1986-87	30	LAC	NBA	10	10	30.2	6.8	15.5	.439	0.0	0.6	.000	3.0	4.2	.714	0.9	2.4	3.3	2.8	1.2	0.5	1.7	2.4	16.6
1989-90	33	GSW	NBA	10	0	9.9	1.2	3.2	.375	0.2	0.3	.667	1.4	1.7	.824	0.8	0.9	1.7	0.9	0.0	0.1	1.0	1.2	4.0

[Edited 12/10/12 11:20am]

As you can see, Scottie played in much more games than Johnson. Marques got injured before Pippen even made his debut in the league. When he got back years later, he was never the same and retired after one season. Marques peaked as a much higher scorer and rebounder. Pippen was a slightly better passer and better defender.

All time, of course Scottie had a better career. But when both were at their peak, I'd take Marques over Pippen.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

based on what? Scottie more points, assist, rebounds, titles,etc........Name is scattered across the NBA’s all-time leader board: 40th in total points (18,940), fourth in steals (2,307), tied for 16th in steals per game (1.96), 23rd in assists (6,135), 13th in minutes (41,069), 16th in minutes per game (34.9), 32nd in three-point field goals made (978)

								REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR	TEAM	G	GS	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	OFF	DEF	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
87-88	CHI	79	0	20.9	.463	.174	.576	1.50	2.30	3.80	2.1	1.15	.66	1.66	2.70	7.9
88-89	CHI	73	56	33.1	.476	.273	.668	1.90	4.20	6.10	3.5	1.90	.84	2.73	3.60	14.4
89-90	CHI	82	82	38.4	.489	.250	.675	1.80	4.80	6.70	5.4	2.57	1.23	3.39	3.60	16.5
90-91	CHI	82	82	36.8	.520	.309	.706	2.00	5.30	7.30	6.2	2.35	1.13	2.83	3.30	17.8
91-92	CHI	82	82	38.6	.506	.200	.760	2.30	5.40	7.70	7.0	1.89	1.13	3.09	3.00	21.0
92-93	CHI	81	81	38.6	.473	.237	.663	2.50	5.20	7.70	6.3	2.14	.90	3.04	2.70	18.6
93-94	CHI	72	72	38.3	.491	.320	.660	2.40	6.30	8.70	5.6	2.93	.81	3.22	3.20	22.0
94-95	CHI	79	79	38.2	.480	.345	.716	2.20	5.90	8.10	5.2	2.94	1.13	3.43	3.00	21.4
95-96	CHI	77	77	36.7	.463	.374	.679	2.00	4.50	6.40	5.9	1.73	.74	2.69	2.60	19.4
96-97	CHI	82	82	37.7	.474	.368	.701	2.00	4.50	6.50	5.7	1.88	.55	2.61	2.60	20.2
97-98	CHI	44	44	37.5	.447	.318	.777	1.20	4.00	5.20	5.8	1.80	.98	2.48	2.60	19.1
98-99	HOU	50	50	40.2	.432	.340	.721	1.30	5.20	6.50	5.9	1.96	.74	3.18	2.40	14.5
99-00	POR	82	82	33.5	.451	.327	.717	1.40	4.90	6.30	5.0	1.43	.50	2.54	2.50	12.5
00-01	POR	64	60	33.3	.451	.344	.739	1.10	4.10	5.20	4.6	1.47	.55	2.41	2.50	11.3
01-02	POR	62	60	32.2	.411	.305	.774	1.20	3.90	5.20	5.9	1.63	.56	2.76	2.60	10.6
02-03	POR	64	58	29.9	.444	.286	.818	.90	3.50	4.30	4.5	1.64	.39	2.56	2.30	10.8
03-04	CHI	23	6	17.9	.379	.271	.630	.90	2.10	3.00	2.2	.91	.39	1.26	1.70	5.9
Career		1,178	1,053	34.9	.473	.326	.704	1.80	4.60	6.40	5.2	1.96	.80	2.76	2.80	16.1

Per Game

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Season	Age	Tm	Lg	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Career			NBA	691	359	34.3	8.3	16.0	.518	0.0	0.2	.152	3.5	4.7	.739	2.6	4.3	7.0	3.6	1.3	0.8	2.4	2.6	20.1
1977-78	21	MIL	NBA	80		34.6	7.9	15.1	.522				3.8	5.1	.736	3.7	6.9	10.6	2.4	1.2	1.3	2.2	2.8	19.5
1978-79	22	MIL	NBA	77		36.1	10.6	19.4	.550				4.3	5.7	.760	2.8	4.9	7.6	3.0	1.5	1.2	2.2	2.4	25.6
1979-80	23	MIL	NBA	77		34.9	8.9	16.5	.544	0.0	0.1	.222	3.8	4.8	.791	2.8	4.5	7.4	3.5	1.3	0.9	2.4	2.2	21.7
1980-81	24	MIL	NBA	76		33.4	8.4	15.2	.552	0.0	0.1	.000	3.5	5.0	.706	3.0	3.9	6.8	4.6	1.5	0.5	2.5	2.6	20.3
1981-82	25	MIL	NBA	60	52	31.7	6.7	12.7	.532	0.0	0.1	.000	3.0	4.3	.700	2.6	3.5	6.1	3.6	1.0	0.6	2.4	2.4	16.5
1982-83	26	MIL	NBA	80	80	35.7	9.0	17.8	.509	0.1	0.3	.200	3.3	4.5	.735	2.5	4.6	7.0	4.5	1.3	0.7	2.5	2.6	21.4
1983-84	27	MIL	NBA	74	74	36.7	8.7	17.4	.502	0.0	0.2	.154	3.3	4.6	.709	2.3	4.1	6.5	4.3	1.6	0.6	2.4	2.6	20.7
1984-85	28	LAC	NBA	72	68	34.0	6.9	15.2	.452	0.0	0.2	.231	2.6	3.6	.731	2.6	3.3	5.9	3.4	1.0	0.4	2.4	2.7	16.4
1985-86	29	LAC	NBA	75	75	34.7	8.2	16.0	.510	0.0	0.2	.067	4.0	5.2	.760	2.1	3.5	5.5	3.8	1.4	0.7	2.4	2.9	20.3
1986-87	30	LAC	NBA	10	10	30.2	6.8	15.5	.439	0.0	0.6	.000	3.0	4.2	.714	0.9	2.4	3.3	2.8	1.2	0.5	1.7	2.4	16.6
1989-90	33	GSW	NBA	10	0	9.9	1.2	3.2	.375	0.2	0.3	.667	1.4	1.7	.824	0.8	0.9	1.7	0.9	0.0	0.1	1.0	1.2	4.0

[Edited 12/10/12 11:20am]

As you can see, Scottie played in much more games than Johnson. Marques got injured before Pippen even made his debut in the league. When he got back years later, he was never the same and retired after one season. Marques peaked as a much higher scorer and rebounder. Pippen was a slightly better passer and better defender.

All time, of course Scottie had a better career. But when both were at their peak, I'd take Marques over Pippen.

........and u would be title-LESS.

Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Marques Johnson of the Buck was thw first point forward years before Pippen.

Johnson was no where near the players Scotties was....especially on DEFENSE.

I had to read this twice before I realized it was Marques, not Magic, you were talking about.

Marques' legs betrayed him.

Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

As you can see, Scottie played in much more games than Johnson. Marques got injured before Pippen even made his debut in the league. When he got back years later, he was never the same and retired after one season. Marques peaked as a much higher scorer and rebounder. Pippen was a slightly better passer and better defender.

All time, of course Scottie had a better career. But when both were at their peak, I'd take Marques over Pippen.

........and u would be title-LESS.

If they switched roles, nothing would change. Marques Johnson would be a 6 time champ, and the Bucks would still have a few East Conf Finals appearances, but just wouldn't be able to get oover the humo vs Boston.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Lol

If they switched roles, nothing would change. Marques Johnson would be a 6 time champ, and the Bucks would still have a few East Conf Finals appearances, but just wouldn't be able to get oover the humo vs Boston.

lol....the bulls won titles partly because of Scottie's defense. U are funny.

Partly ... Marques wasn't a bad defender by any stretch. He was very great actually.

He wasn't better than Pippen, Pip was one of the greatest defenders ever. But if the roles are swithced, Jordan can take Pippen's assignments and he was a DPOY winner.

Marques would bring a different element to those Bulls teams. HE was a mich better scorer than Pippen and Jordan would have to do everything on offense and could concentrate more on Defense like Pippen did.

[Edited 12/10/12 16:51pm]

The Bucks had some very good teams in the early 80s. Unfortunately they played in the same conference as Dr. J's Sixers & Bird's Celtics. That's tough to deal with come May & June. The one year they knocked Boston out of the playoffs (1983), they were beaten in the ECF 4-1 by that great Philly team led by Moses, Doc, Toney, Mo Cheeks & Bobby Jones.

missfee said:

For me, hands down was the 90's. The Bulls reigned. Loved it!

The excitement was out of the world...for some reason I just can't get that out watching NBA ball currently. I remember I used to be glued to the TV watching the NBA back then during my middle and high school days. During one of those playoff years when it was the Pacers vs. the Knicks...I was in so much suspense that I nearly bit my nails off...then at the last seconds, Reggie would hit those 3-pointers. Ahhh

There was...

MJ

Pippen

Rodman

Kukoc

Longley

Armstrong

Miller

Ewing

Olajuwon

Barkley (though I couldn't stand him)

Webber

Robinson

I miss that era of basketball before it got all soft

uPtoWnNY said:

The 95-96 Bulls may have had the best regular season record ever (in a watered down league), but I don't regard them as the best team of all time. I'll take the 85 & 87 Lakers, 84 & 86 Celtics, 83 Sixers, 67 Sixers over the 96 Bulls.

I agree on all. I don't know anything about the 67 Sixers though.

mjscarousal said:

missfee said:

For me, hands down was the 90's. The Bulls reigned. Loved it!

The excitement was out of the world...for some reason I just can't get that out watching NBA ball currently. I remember I used to be glued to the TV watching the NBA back then during my middle and high school days. During one of those playoff years when it was the Pacers vs. the Knicks...I was in so much suspense that I nearly bit my nails off...then at the last seconds, Reggie would hit those 3-pointers. Ahhh

There was...

MJ

Pippen

Rodman

Kukoc

Longley

Armstrong

Miller

Ewing

Olajuwon

Barkley (though I couldn't stand him)

Webber

Robinson

I miss that era of basketball before it got all soft

NBA is soft, there are no more enforcers.

no Charles Oakley's Otis Thorpe's, Xaver McDaniels, Bill Laimbeer's, PJ Brown's. Rick Mahorn's, ect.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

based on what? Scottie more points, assist, rebounds, titles,etc........Name is scattered across the NBA’s all-time leader board: 40th in total points (18,940), fourth in steals (2,307), tied for 16th in steals per game (1.96), 23rd in assists (6,135), 13th in minutes (41,069), 16th in minutes per game (34.9), 32nd in three-point field goals made (978)

								REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR	TEAM	G	GS	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	OFF	DEF	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
87-88	CHI	79	0	20.9	.463	.174	.576	1.50	2.30	3.80	2.1	1.15	.66	1.66	2.70	7.9
88-89	CHI	73	56	33.1	.476	.273	.668	1.90	4.20	6.10	3.5	1.90	.84	2.73	3.60	14.4
89-90	CHI	82	82	38.4	.489	.250	.675	1.80	4.80	6.70	5.4	2.57	1.23	3.39	3.60	16.5
90-91	CHI	82	82	36.8	.520	.309	.706	2.00	5.30	7.30	6.2	2.35	1.13	2.83	3.30	17.8
91-92	CHI	82	82	38.6	.506	.200	.760	2.30	5.40	7.70	7.0	1.89	1.13	3.09	3.00	21.0
92-93	CHI	81	81	38.6	.473	.237	.663	2.50	5.20	7.70	6.3	2.14	.90	3.04	2.70	18.6
93-94	CHI	72	72	38.3	.491	.320	.660	2.40	6.30	8.70	5.6	2.93	.81	3.22	3.20	22.0
94-95	CHI	79	79	38.2	.480	.345	.716	2.20	5.90	8.10	5.2	2.94	1.13	3.43	3.00	21.4
95-96	CHI	77	77	36.7	.463	.374	.679	2.00	4.50	6.40	5.9	1.73	.74	2.69	2.60	19.4
96-97	CHI	82	82	37.7	.474	.368	.701	2.00	4.50	6.50	5.7	1.88	.55	2.61	2.60	20.2
97-98	CHI	44	44	37.5	.447	.318	.777	1.20	4.00	5.20	5.8	1.80	.98	2.48	2.60	19.1
98-99	HOU	50	50	40.2	.432	.340	.721	1.30	5.20	6.50	5.9	1.96	.74	3.18	2.40	14.5
99-00	POR	82	82	33.5	.451	.327	.717	1.40	4.90	6.30	5.0	1.43	.50	2.54	2.50	12.5
00-01	POR	64	60	33.3	.451	.344	.739	1.10	4.10	5.20	4.6	1.47	.55	2.41	2.50	11.3
01-02	POR	62	60	32.2	.411	.305	.774	1.20	3.90	5.20	5.9	1.63	.56	2.76	2.60	10.6
02-03	POR	64	58	29.9	.444	.286	.818	.90	3.50	4.30	4.5	1.64	.39	2.56	2.30	10.8
03-04	CHI	23	6	17.9	.379	.271	.630	.90	2.10	3.00	2.2	.91	.39	1.26	1.70	5.9
Career		1,178	1,053	34.9	.473	.326	.704	1.80	4.60	6.40	5.2	1.96	.80	2.76	2.80	16.1

Per Game

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Season	Age	Tm	Lg	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Career			NBA	691	359	34.3	8.3	16.0	.518	0.0	0.2	.152	3.5	4.7	.739	2.6	4.3	7.0	3.6	1.3	0.8	2.4	2.6	20.1
1977-78	21	MIL	NBA	80		34.6	7.9	15.1	.522				3.8	5.1	.736	3.7	6.9	10.6	2.4	1.2	1.3	2.2	2.8	19.5
1978-79	22	MIL	NBA	77		36.1	10.6	19.4	.550				4.3	5.7	.760	2.8	4.9	7.6	3.0	1.5	1.2	2.2	2.4	25.6
1979-80	23	MIL	NBA	77		34.9	8.9	16.5	.544	0.0	0.1	.222	3.8	4.8	.791	2.8	4.5	7.4	3.5	1.3	0.9	2.4	2.2	21.7
1980-81	24	MIL	NBA	76		33.4	8.4	15.2	.552	0.0	0.1	.000	3.5	5.0	.706	3.0	3.9	6.8	4.6	1.5	0.5	2.5	2.6	20.3
1981-82	25	MIL	NBA	60	52	31.7	6.7	12.7	.532	0.0	0.1	.000	3.0	4.3	.700	2.6	3.5	6.1	3.6	1.0	0.6	2.4	2.4	16.5
1982-83	26	MIL	NBA	80	80	35.7	9.0	17.8	.509	0.1	0.3	.200	3.3	4.5	.735	2.5	4.6	7.0	4.5	1.3	0.7	2.5	2.6	21.4
1983-84	27	MIL	NBA	74	74	36.7	8.7	17.4	.502	0.0	0.2	.154	3.3	4.6	.709	2.3	4.1	6.5	4.3	1.6	0.6	2.4	2.6	20.7
1984-85	28	LAC	NBA	72	68	34.0	6.9	15.2	.452	0.0	0.2	.231	2.6	3.6	.731	2.6	3.3	5.9	3.4	1.0	0.4	2.4	2.7	16.4
1985-86	29	LAC	NBA	75	75	34.7	8.2	16.0	.510	0.0	0.2	.067	4.0	5.2	.760	2.1	3.5	5.5	3.8	1.4	0.7	2.4	2.9	20.3
1986-87	30	LAC	NBA	10	10	30.2	6.8	15.5	.439	0.0	0.6	.000	3.0	4.2	.714	0.9	2.4	3.3	2.8	1.2	0.5	1.7	2.4	16.6
1989-90	33	GSW	NBA	10	0	9.9	1.2	3.2	.375	0.2	0.3	.667	1.4	1.7	.824	0.8	0.9	1.7	0.9	0.0	0.1	1.0	1.2	4.0

[Edited 12/10/12 11:20am]

As you can see, Scottie played in much more games than Johnson. Marques got injured before Pippen even made his debut in the league. When he got back years later, he was never the same and retired after one season. Marques peaked as a much higher scorer and rebounder. Pippen was a slightly better passer and better defender.

All time, of course Scottie had a better career. But when both were at their peak, I'd take Marques over Pippen.

Actually, Pippen was a better rebounder at his peak, according to the numbers. I never got to see much of Marques in person so I can't say who was the better player. I tend to trust my eyes over numbers. I did however see Pippen who was a great defender. Overall he was a very good player. I wouldn't say great though. Like somebody mentioned he showed his true colors when Jordan was out and he quit on the Bulls.

Oh, and the 80's was the best decade in the NBA-- start to finish. Keep in mind I'm a Laker fan and they were relevant the entire decade. The Sixers, Celtics, and Pistons were strong and deep as well. There were great players all over the league. Hell, any decade with Dr J, Magic, Larry Bird, MJ, Olajuwon, Moses, Kareem, Barkley, Ewing, Dominique, Drexler and Isaiah Thomas has to be great. Even the lesser stars were great in their own right: Alex English, Dumars, Mullin, Mark Aguirre, Adrian Dantley, Sidney Moncrief, and James Worthy to name a few.

The 90's is a close second. MJ, Pippen, Rodman, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Ewing, Chris Mullin, Hardaway (Tim moreso than Anfernee), David Robinson, Duncan, Pippen, Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Kevin Johnson, Olajuwon, Sprewell, Webber, J. Kidd and Grant Hill

whodknee said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

As you can see, Scottie played in much more games than Johnson. Marques got injured before Pippen even made his debut in the league. When he got back years later, he was never the same and retired after one season. Marques peaked as a much higher scorer and rebounder. Pippen was a slightly better passer and better defender.

All time, of course Scottie had a better career. But when both were at their peak, I'd take Marques over Pippen.

Actually, Pippen was a better rebounder at his peak, according to the numbers. I never got to see much of Marques in person so I can't say who was the better player. I tend to trust my eyes over numbers. I did however see Pippen who was a great defender. Overall he was a very good player. I wouldn't say great though. Like somebody mentioned he showed his true colors when Jordan was out and he quit on the Bulls.

Marques Johnson and his teammate Sidney Moncrief (along with Bernard King) are probably the most underrated players of the 1980s. If those Bucks teams had the talent that the Lakers, Celtic and Sixers had, and if Johnson and Moncrief never got hit with the injury bug, the NBA would be totaly different right now.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

whodknee said:

Actually, Pippen was a better rebounder at his peak, according to the numbers. I never got to see much of Marques in person so I can't say who was the better player. I tend to trust my eyes over numbers. I did however see Pippen who was a great defender. Overall he was a very good player. I wouldn't say great though. Like somebody mentioned he showed his true colors when Jordan was out and he quit on the Bulls.

Marques Johnson and his teammate Sidney Moncrief (along with Bernard King) are probably the most underrated players of the 1980s. If those Bucks teams had the talent that the Lakers, Celtic and Sixers had, and if Johnson and Moncrief never got hit with the injury bug, the NBA would be totaly different right now.

If my memory serves me correctly...............Marques was a coke head more than an injured player.