When are people going 2 stop owning these killer pets?

CHICAGO -- A far west suburban firefighter and paramedic who was found dead in her home died as a result of an attack by one of her own dogs, the Kane County sheriff’s office said Wednesday.

Dawn Brown, 44, of the 400 block of Jefferson Street in Big Rock, was found dead by her husband at the bottom of the stairs in her home Monday afternoon. The paramedics who responded were her co-workers.

"It's just heartbreaking," said neighbor Mark Hake. "We would see them walking their dogs through town. [They were] very nice people."

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Brown and her husband had three dogs: a mastiff, boxer and pit bull mix breed. It was the 140-pound mastiff who attacked her, officials said.

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why would he attack her?

In the story it said that the mastiff was new to the home and they don't know why it attacked and killed her.

Really sad story.

Aaaaaand this is why i have a Chihuahua..

140 pounds of muscle and teeth.... no thanks.... the poop alone would make me never want to own such a large breed of dog.

Poor woman.

lauralevesque said:

why would he attack her?

I don't know much about the Mastiff, but most dogs in that class (including pit bulls) are pack animals.

This means, that while the man (who is the master) is away, the dog perceives her to be a threat to his domination.

I don't by into the nonsense that pit bulls are harmless animals that must be taught to be agressive. This is BS. They must be taught to be gentle. They are inclined towards hunting and pack behavior and this by default makes them agressive.

Pit bulls were breed to hunt boars. It was only later at the turn of last century they started becoming house dogs and 'babysitters/protectors' of children, etc. Even it's attack behavior betrays it's breeding--it lunges for the face and grips tightly.

A friend of mine owned a pit bull that he called Dolly (Dolly! ) which he emphatically said was the sweetest dog and would never hurt a soul. Well, one week he goes upstate to visit his folks and during that time, Dolly bit off part of his roomate's girlfriend's face....a lawsuit ensued.

Yes, you can nurture these animals to be loving. Yes, they can make wonderful pets. But this is not their natural inclination. Their breeds exist for different purposes, and the damage that they can do is lethal.

We can also nature/nurture hyenas (youtube hyena pet in Miami) and tigers, but it only takes one slip-up for it to be lethal.

I don't think Pit Bulls, Mastiffs or any dog capable of so easily taking down a human being, should ever be a house pet. These should be licensed work animals and strictly regulated.

lauralevesque said:

We have a 130lbs Bull Mastiff in our family. He is way calmer than my Schnoodle and a billion times more calm than my Weimaraner and German Shorthaired Pointer ever were.

He's damn cute too.

Any mid to large sized dog could kill a person.

I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story.

I'm considering getting a pit bull cross as a second dog. She is currently in one of those prison inmate dog training programs. Soooo cute.

tinaz said:

Aaaaaand this is why i have a Chihuahua..

and I have shih tzu's !

imago said:

lauralevesque said:

why would he attack her?

I don't know much about the Mastiff, but most dogs in that class (including pit bulls) are pack animals.

This means, that while the man (who is the master) is away, the dog perceives her to be a threat to his domination.

I don't by into the nonsense that pit bulls are harmless animals that must be taught to be agressive. This is BS. They must be taught to be gentle. They are inclined towards hunting and pack behavior and this by default makes them agressive.

Pit bulls were breed to hunt boars. It was only later at the turn of last century they started becoming house dogs and 'babysitters/protectors' of children, etc. Even it's attack behavior betrays it's breeding--it lunges for the face and grips tightly.

A friend of mine owned a pit bull that he called Dolly (Dolly! ) which he emphatically said was the sweetest dog and would never hurt a soul. Well, one week he goes upstate to visit his folks and during that time, Dolly bit off part of his roomate's girlfriend's face....a lawsuit ensued.

Yes, you can nurture these animals to be loving. Yes, they can make wonderful pets. But this is not their natural inclination. Their breeds exist for different purposes, and the damage that they can do is lethal.

We can also nature/nurture hyenas (youtube hyena pet in Miami) and tigers, but it only takes one slip-up for it to be lethal.

I don't think Pit Bulls, Mastiffs or any dog capable of so easily taking down a human being, should ever be a house pet. These should be licensed work animals and strictly regulated.

So true. No offense to whomever on the org owns one of these, but these dogs are DEMONS. Seriously, they are the devil. They are mean, vicious and I get so pissed off when I hear people saying how great they are with children. I would never have one of those things near my child. This is a true story: Recently I was making dinner and tv. was on in the background and the announcer says, "Today in Ridgeland, the animal defense league (or whatever it was called) met to try and overturn the ruling not allowing pitbulls in the city, saying that pitbulls are pure love and kindness but were turned down by so and so so and so..... and in unrelated news, a woman's car broke down and when she walked to a nearby house for help, she was attacked by two pit bulls who chewed her face off and she is in critical condition..."

and remember, I recently did a thread about my sweet little boo boo who was having a bad dream and I got in his face and he almost bit my nose off, him:

[img:$uid]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh516/Lauralevesque/cutehenry.jpg[/img:$uid]

my nose looked horrible and it was an awful bite- just imagine if had been a mastiff or a pit bull!

Mastiffs are renown for their calm nature though, no?

There must be more to this story.

My ex-boss had a mastiff. The dog was MASSIVE.

...and was so calm that you wonder if it would even get up to do anything about a burglar.

My ex boss actually did the research and bought him BECAUSE it was the type of dog that doesn't bark, doesn't jump around, and all that.

RIP to this poor woman.

I'm really not trying 2 be cruel but if u own a dog like this u deserve what u get.

PurpleJedi said:

Mastiffs are renown for their calm nature though, no?

There must be more to this story.

My ex-boss had a mastiff. The dog was MASSIVE.

...and was so calm that you wonder if it would even get up to do anything about a burglar.

My ex boss actually did the research and bought him BECAUSE it was the type of dog that doesn't bark, doesn't jump around, and all that.

RIP to this poor woman.

I know nothing about Mastiffs- what I was referring to above are pitbulls.

lauralevesque said:

imago said:

I don't know much about the Mastiff, but most dogs in that class (including pit bulls) are pack animals.

This means, that while the man (who is the master) is away, the dog perceives her to be a threat to his domination.

I don't by into the nonsense that pit bulls are harmless animals that must be taught to be agressive. This is BS. They must be taught to be gentle. They are inclined towards hunting and pack behavior and this by default makes them agressive.

Pit bulls were breed to hunt boars. It was only later at the turn of last century they started becoming house dogs and 'babysitters/protectors' of children, etc. Even it's attack behavior betrays it's breeding--it lunges for the face and grips tightly.

A friend of mine owned a pit bull that he called Dolly (Dolly! ) which he emphatically said was the sweetest dog and would never hurt a soul. Well, one week he goes upstate to visit his folks and during that time, Dolly bit off part of his roomate's girlfriend's face....a lawsuit ensued.

Yes, you can nurture these animals to be loving. Yes, they can make wonderful pets. But this is not their natural inclination. Their breeds exist for different purposes, and the damage that they can do is lethal.

We can also nature/nurture hyenas (youtube hyena pet in Miami) and tigers, but it only takes one slip-up for it to be lethal.

I don't think Pit Bulls, Mastiffs or any dog capable of so easily taking down a human being, should ever be a house pet. These should be licensed work animals and strictly regulated.

So true. No offense to whomever on the org owns one of these, but these dogs are DEMONS. Seriously, they are the devil. They are mean, vicious and I get so pissed off when I hear people saying how great they are with children. I would never have one of those things near my child. This is a true story: Recently I was making dinner and tv. was on in the background and the announcer says, "Today in Ridgeland, the animal defense league (or whatever it was called) met to try and overturn the ruling not allowing pitbulls in the city, saying that pitbulls are pure love and kindness but were turned down by so and so so and so..... and in unrelated news, a woman's car broke down and when she walked to a nearby house for help, she was attacked by two pit bulls who chewed her face off and she is in critical condition..."

and remember, I recently did a thread about my sweet little boo boo who was having a bad dream and I got in his face and he almost bit my nose off, him:

[img:$uid]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh516/Lauralevesque/cutehenry.jpg[/img:$uid]

my nose looked horrible and it was an awful bite- just imagine if had been a mastiff or a pit bull!

I hear about little lap type dogs being super vicious more than any other type of breeds. I asked about dog bites at the hospital when my son was bitten and the staff told me that the most bites they see are from these little, possessive, yappy dogs.

They freak me out more than any big dog could ever.

All dogs are a direct reflection of their owners and their treatment and nothing more.

lauralevesque said:

PurpleJedi said:

Mastiffs are renown for their calm nature though, no?

There must be more to this story.

My ex-boss had a mastiff. The dog was MASSIVE.

...and was so calm that you wonder if it would even get up to do anything about a burglar.

My ex boss actually did the research and bought him BECAUSE it was the type of dog that doesn't bark, doesn't jump around, and all that.

RIP to this poor woman.

I know nothing about Mastiffs- what I was referring to above are pitbulls.

Yeah I was simply stating what I know from my ex-boss.

I don't really know anything about pit bulls, except for the fact that one side of people think they should be outlawed and another side of people think they are friendly/loveable pets like any other dog.

My co-worker is a pit bull advocate, and my ex just recently got a pit bull puppy. (Part of her "rediscovery" of being a Puerto Rican I suppose)

My kids see this dog every other weekend, but it still irks me. I'm hoping that this is enough for "Matilda" to acclimate to them, otherwise we're gonna have problems.

JustErin said:

lauralevesque said:

So true. No offense to whomever on the org owns one of these, but these dogs are DEMONS. Seriously, they are the devil. They are mean, vicious and I get so pissed off when I hear people saying how great they are with children. I would never have one of those things near my child. This is a true story: Recently I was making dinner and tv. was on in the background and the announcer says, "Today in Ridgeland, the animal defense league (or whatever it was called) met to try and overturn the ruling not allowing pitbulls in the city, saying that pitbulls are pure love and kindness but were turned down by so and so so and so..... and in unrelated news, a woman's car broke down and when she walked to a nearby house for help, she was attacked by two pit bulls who chewed her face off and she is in critical condition..."

and remember, I recently did a thread about my sweet little boo boo who was having a bad dream and I got in his face and he almost bit my nose off, him:

[img:$uid]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh516/Lauralevesque/cutehenry.jpg[/img:$uid]

my nose looked horrible and it was an awful bite- just imagine if had been a mastiff or a pit bull!

I hear about little lap type dogs being super vicious more than any other type of breeds. I asked about dog bites at the hospital when my son was bitten and the staff told me that the most bites they see are from these little, possessive, yappy dogs.

They freak me out more than any big dog could ever.

All dogs are a direct reflection of their owners and their treatment and nothing more.

What is this? You being passive aggressive? I find you to be very passive aggressive on here but I have no desire to spar with you so I leave it alone. My dog is wonderful and he is a rescue so him biting me has nothing to do with me. The people who had him before did not treat him good and he sometimes has bad dreams. Fuck off.

And p.s. This thread has nothing to do with you posting your picture and fishing for compliments so why are you here?

lauralevesque said:

JustErin said:

I hear about little lap type dogs being super vicious more than any other type of breeds. I asked about dog bites at the hospital when my son was bitten and the staff told me that the most bites they see are from these little, possessive, yappy dogs.

They freak me out more than any big dog could ever.

All dogs are a direct reflection of their owners and their treatment and nothing more.

What is this? You being passive aggressive? I find you to be very passive aggressive on here but I have no desire to spar with you so I leave it alone. My dog is wonderful and he is a rescue so him biting me has nothing to do with me. The people who had him before did not treat him good and he sometimes has bad dreams. Fuck off.

What the fuck are you on about?

I wasn't even talking about your dog...but sure, since all dogs are a reflection of their owners and their treatment, count your dog in here..as I also count my dog - who happens to be a rescue.

If your dog has issues because of past treatment/owners..well, that just backs up what I said.

lauralevesque said:

And p.s. This thread has nothing to do with you posting your picture and fishing for compliments so why are you here?

You did the same shit, so the same can be said about you.

JustErin said:

lauralevesque said:

And p.s. This thread has nothing to do with you posting your picture and fishing for compliments so why are you here?

You did the same shit, so the same can be said about you.

I did what same shit? Posted my picture on one photowhore thread? Please. I call bullshit on your whole "image" that you have on here. Every time I see your posts I'm like, I do not believe your girlfriends write you love letters, I do not believe you can't talk to a coworker on the phone without them telling you how pretty you are, I call bullshit on your EX boyfriend showing up to give you flowers because he can't live without you, I think it's comical that you ask about anti aging serum and then are quick to let us know that you don't NEED it- for godsakes your so gorgeous- your just asking, and I call bullshit on you and your family being the haves while everyone else in your town are the have nots and therefore steal from your kid. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

lauralevesque said:

JustErin said:

You did the same shit, so the same can be said about you.

I did what same shit? Posted my picture on one photowhore thread? Please. I call bullshit on your whole "image" that you have on here. Every time I see your posts I'm like, I do not believe your girlfriends write you love letters, I do not believe you can't talk to a coworker on the phone without them telling you how pretty you are, I call bullshit on your EX boyfriend showing up to give you flowers because he can't live without you, I think it's comical that you ask about anti aging serum and then are quick to let us know that you don't NEED it- for godsakes your so gorgeous- your just asking, and I call bullshit on you and your family being the haves while everyone else in your town are the have nots and therefore steal from your kid. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

The same shit as in you posted a pic of your dog in this thread. I'm not talking about anything else but what is in this thread.

But good for you for reading every post I make on here and not believing a thing I say. Like I care - even though some of the crap you list is shit I never even said, but oh well...

All this emotional rant because I posted a comment about dogs being a reflection of their owners.

Yikes.

I can't even say anything in response about you because I don't really remember any of your posts on here....except the ones in this thread.

[Edited 11/16/12 7:30am]

JustErin said:

lauralevesque said:

I did what same shit? Posted my picture on one photowhore thread? Please. I call bullshit on your whole "image" that you have on here. Every time I see your posts I'm like, I do not believe your girlfriends write you love letters, I do not believe you can't talk to a coworker on the phone without them telling you how pretty you are, I call bullshit on your EX boyfriend showing up to give you flowers because he can't live without you, I think it's comical that you ask about anti aging serum and then are quick to let us know that you don't NEED it- for godsakes your so gorgeous- your just asking, and I call bullshit on you and your family being the haves while everyone else in your town are the have nots and therefore steal from your kid. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

The same shit as in you posted a pic of your dog in this thread. I not talking about anything else but what is in this thread.

But good for you for reading every post I make on here and not believing a thing I say. Like I care - even though some of the crap you list is shit I never even said, but oh well... :lol

All this emotional rant because I posted a comment about dogs being a reflection of their owners.

Yikes.

Right Right. You weren't being passive aggressive at all. Whatever. Let's not talk anymore as I can't stand you. I'm just pissed off because, for anyone to imply that a dog's behaviour is based on their owners, and especially when I devote so much love and attention to my dogs- yeah I'm heated. But this is it- I'm done talking to you. Have a great day.

lauralevesque said:

JustErin said:

The same shit as in you posted a pic of your dog in this thread. I not talking about anything else but what is in this thread.

But good for you for reading every post I make on here and not believing a thing I say. Like I care - even though some of the crap you list is shit I never even said, but oh well... :lol

All this emotional rant because I posted a comment about dogs being a reflection of their owners.

Yikes.

Right Right. You weren't being passive aggressive at all. Whatever. Let's not talk anymore as I can't stand you. I'm just pissed off because, for anyone to imply that a dog's behaviour is based on their owners, and especially when I devote so much love and attention to my dogs- yeah I'm heated. But this is it- I'm done talking to you. Have a great day.

You too!

But look at it. How couldn't you just love it to pieces?

Wiki says it generally has a docile temperment. But it also needs room to run.

morningsong said:

But look at it. How couldn't you just love it to pieces?

Wiki says it generally has a docile temperment. But it also needs room to run.

It is a large dog...

many people TRAIN larger breeds to be people aggressive in order to protect the property.

I think this is what may have been the case here???

Some people do aquire dogs to be aggressive towrds people (or scare them off) despite the natural temperment of the dog and train the dog to be vicious.

Its just a sad story, that poor woman.

Don't see anything docile about this mastiff... maybe this is the one that killed the woman.

No frickin' way I'd have a 140 pound dog in my home.

Timmy84 said:

Don't see anything docile about this mastiff... maybe this is the one that killed the woman.

THAT^^^ is not a Mastiff, its a Newfoundland.

Mastiffs look like this

paintedlady said:

Timmy84 said:

Don't see anything docile about this mastiff... maybe this is the one that killed the woman.

THAT^^^ is not a Mastiff, its a Newfoundland.

Mastiffs look like this

That actually is a mastiff, not a Newfoundland. It's a Tibetan Mastiff. There are several types of mastiffs.