Fellow org member please share if you ever in one of these AND what you think about them.

I have been open minded to frats & fraternities... my ex bf was in a fraternity & it seemed it's ALL he would talk about & i was trying to be open minded to it but all i heard half the time was

I live by UCLA & am rather close to all the fraternity peeps... and these people drive me insane.

I went to a fraternity party this weekend, all the guys there act like hot heads & pretend they are just the absolute shit cause ''oh look at me bro i'm a bad bitch with my backwards cap party party party bro!!! I'm so cool & give dirty look's to other dudes & start shit cause I'm superior to you & those bones you walk in''

Every fraternity i walk by they act a fool whether it's a ''frat'' or ''fraternity'' cause from what i understand fraternity is supposed to be more school focused as my ex told me... yet it seems they act up just as much.

And don't get me started on the fucking down low men in those thing's , i have had some mother fuckers holler at me there & then turn around and pretend they are straight as can be....

They even have these ''segregated'' frats they have the black frat, the Asian frat & etc.

I once went to an Asian frat party & ended up becoming friend's with this guy, and few week's later we messed around.... afterwards he does ''nah bitch i ain't gay you should pray for yourself'' type talk

My 6'5 ass can not stand these fraternity peeps anymore, my hot headed self wants to break some elbows & legs

i tried to be open minded to these thing's but so far every fraternity & frat person i have gotten to now is a straight up douche... and i don't get it.

What is so great about these fraternities that makes people feel they are just mankind's gift?

If anyone else has ever been apart of one or has opinions on them please share

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The only thing I can add is that "frat" is simply an abbreviated form of the word fraternity, which in any case (whether it was your ex, or the asians or the blacks on the UCLA campus) is a formal brotherhood connected to an academic, literary and/or social organization, and sometimes a secret society. "Frat" is generally used as an adjective to describe the um...casual actvities of a fraternal organization rather than signify the actual organization itself, so I don't know what your boyfriend was talking about.

Ottensen said:

The only thing I can add is that "frat" is simply an abbreviated form of the word fraternity, which in any case (whether it was your ex, or the asians or the blacks on the UCLA campus) is a formal brotherhood connected to an academic, literary and/or social organization, and sometimes a secret society. "Frat" is generally used as an adjective to describe the um...casual actvities of a fraternal organization rather than signify the actual organization itself, so I don't know what your boyfriend was talking about.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love my ex to death... but he seemed confused

Frat is just an abbreviation for Fraternity... but him & others try the hardest to make me believe when you call it a quote on quote ''fraternity'' instead.

It means it's for academic purposes, and fundraisers.. helping the future of you and the brothers in the fraternity etc.

it all seems like bullshit to me

Ottensen said:

The only thing I can add is that "frat" is simply an abbreviated form of the word fraternity, which in any case (whether it was your ex, or the asians or the blacks on the UCLA campus) is a formal brotherhood connected to an academic, literary and/or social organization, and sometimes a secret society. "Frat" is generally used as an adjective to describe the um...casual actvities of a fraternal organization rather than signify the actual organization itself, so I don't know what your boyfriend was talking about.

Yeah I saw the title of the thread and thought I think he meant to say Fraternities and Sororities.

Either way, there've been several threads about frats and sororities over the years and nobody in these organzations participates.

Adisa said:

Genesia said:

Adisa said:

Yeah I saw the title of the thread and thought I think he meant to say Fraternities and Sororities.

Either way, there've been several threads about frats and sororities over the years and nobody in these organzations participates.

I tend not to participate in "Greek" threads...why open myself up to the abuse that is sure to follow?

Right.

Genesia said:

Adisa said:

Yeah I saw the title of the thread and thought I think he meant to say Fraternities and Sororities.

Either way, there've been several threads about frats and sororities over the years and nobody in these organzations participates.

I tend not to participate in "Greek" threads for the same reason I don't talk politics in this place. Why open myself up to the abuse that is sure to follow? I'm a member of a women's fraternity (fun fact: most Greek-letter societies for women - especially the oldest ones - were actually chartered as fraternities, not sororities) and Sweetie is a member of a men's fraternity. He is still active in his. But outside of getting together with some of my "sisters," I'm not involved with mine in any kind of organized way.

What did you think of the sorority when you where in it?

My mother was in a soritory herself when she was studying pharmacy, and said at the time it actually was good in progressing her career.

But idk... all these other people i see in Fraternities just seem to want to do nothing but party and act a fool....

Can't speak on sororities though, never been to one.

Gunsnhalen said:

Genesia said:

Adisa said: I tend not to participate in "Greek" threads for the same reason I don't talk politics in this place. Why open myself up to the abuse that is sure to follow? I'm a member of a women's fraternity (fun fact: most Greek-letter societies for women - especially the oldest ones - were actually chartered as fraternities, not sororities) and Sweetie is a member of a men's fraternity. He is still active in his. But outside of getting together with some of my "sisters," I'm not involved with mine in any kind of organized way.

What did you think of the sorority when you where in it?

My mother was in a soritory herself when she was studying pharmacy, and said at the time it actually was good in progressing her career.

But idk... all these other people i see in Fraternities just seem to want to do nothing but party and act a fool....

Can't speak on sororities though, never been to one.

My sister was in a sorority. All I remember that she did was party, drink before she was legal, and have to mentor young children

I was graduate advisor for the National Pan-Hellenic Council (Black Greek-letter organization) members at one of my alma maters. The NPHC includes the fraternities Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi, Phi Beta Sigma, Alpha Phi Alpha and Iota Phi Theta. It also includes the sororities Zeta Phi Beta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Sigma Gamma Rho and Delta Sigma Theta. (My sister is a Delta.)

Because the cultures of the organizations' chapters vary widely between college campuses, it's tough to make -- and probably unfair to attempt -- generalizations on anything more than a local scale. My own observations, though, were that most NPHC group members at my school were dead weight, adding either nothing at all or something downright negative to their respective organization's reputation. At a majority of Greek social functions, most bros did liitle but get piss drunk and fight; most sisters did little but pose and argue... mostly over the lame *ss bros. Police often needed to be called in, and like clockwork the groups' members were in my office the next business day, asking me to help spin the accounts and play interference against administrative sanctions being considered against them.

I am not a Greek, but it made me angry that these troublemakers totally shat all over the legacy of leadership that their organizations had brought to bear in decades prior. Moreover, they seized attention and school resources that would have been far better invested in their brothers and sisters who were about business. (Incidentally, those members were awesome, doing everything from mentoring area youth to serving on various important university committees to advocating and working hard for all sorts of social/political initiatives. They even were instrumental in crafting an amazing multidisciplinary curriculum for a Saturday school program attended by hundreds of underprivileged children in the area.)

All in all, I think an exceptional minority among a larger rank and file is pretty much par for the course across most campus environments -- especially for undergraduate populations. Greek-letter orgs, then, would simply be a reflection of that. I hope in the years since I held my advisory position, though, that my old school's NPHC orgs have reclaimed the goal of being not merely a cross section of the student body, but the cream of the crop, working toward academic/career advancement, public service, civic leadership, etc. Otherwise, they're virtually pointless cliques that would be better left behind in high school, IMO.

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Lammastide said:

I was graduate advisor for the National Pan-Hellenic Council (Black Greek-letter organization) members at one of my alma maters. The NPHC includes the fraternities Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi, Phi Beta Sigma, Alpha Phi Alpha and Iota Phi Theta. It also includes the sororities Zeta Phi Beta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Sigma Gamma Rho and Delta Sigma Theta. (My sister is a Delta.)

Because the cultures of the organizations' chapters vary widely between college campuses, it's tough to make -- and probably unfair to attempt -- generalizations on anything more than a local scale. My own observations, though, were that most NPHC group members at my school were dead weight, adding either nothing at all or something downright negative to their respective organization's reputation. At a majority of Greek social functions, most bros did liitle but get piss drunk and fight; most sisters did little but pose and argue... mostly over the lame *ss bros. Police often needed to be called in, and like clockwork the groups' members were in my office the next business day, asking me to help spin the accounts and play interference against administrative sanctions being considered against them.

I am not a Greek, but it made me angry that these troublemakers totally shat all over the legacy of leadership that their organizations had brought to bear in decades prior. Moreover, they seized attention and school resources that would have been far better invested in their brothers and sisters who were about business. (Incidentally, those members were awesome, doing everything from mentoring area youth to serving on various important university committees to advocating and working hard for all sorts of social/political initiatives. They even were instrumental in crafting an amazing multidisciplinary curriculum for a Saturday school program attended by hundreds of underprivileged children in the area.)

All in all, I think an exceptional minority among a larger rank and file is pretty much par for the course across most campus environments -- especially for undergraduate populations. Greek-letter orgs, then, would simply be a reflection of that. I hope in the years since I held my advisory position, though, that my old school's NPHC orgs have reclaimed the goal of being not merely a cross section of the student body, but the cream of the crop, working toward academic/career advancement, public service, civic leadership, etc. Otherwise, they're virtually pointless cliques that would be better left behind in high school, IMO.

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I hear this all the time about most of the younglings doing nothing more than acting a fool and enjoying life in the clique.

My godsister is AKA but the rest of the family are Deltas. I also know a whole bunch of Q's and Sigmas... they're all involved in some type of public service regularly and their parties tend to be high-brow affairs.

The people I know are all in their 40s and 50s though.

Lammastide said:

I was graduate advisor for the National Pan-Hellenic Council (Black Greek-letter organization) members at one of my alma maters. The NPHC includes the fraternities Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi, Phi Beta Sigma, Alpha Phi Alpha and Iota Phi Theta. It also includes the sororities Zeta Phi Beta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Sigma Gamma Rho and Delta Sigma Theta. (My sister is a Delta.)

Because the cultures of the organizations' chapters vary widely between college campuses, it's tough to make -- and probably unfair to attempt -- generalizations on anything more than a local scale. My own observations, though, were that most NPHC group members at my school were dead weight, adding either nothing at all or something downright negative to their respective organization's reputation. At a majority of Greek social functions, most bros did liitle but get piss drunk and fight; most sisters did little but pose and argue... mostly over the lame *ss bros. Police often needed to be called in, and like clockwork the groups' members were in my office the next business day, asking me to help spin the accounts and play interference against administrative sanctions being considered against them.

I am not a Greek, but it made me angry that these troublemakers totally shat all over the legacy of leadership that their organizations had brought to bear in decades prior. Moreover, they seized attention and school resources that would have been far better invested in their brothers and sisters who were about business. (Incidentally, those members were awesome, doing everything from mentoring area youth to serving on various important university committees to advocating and working hard for all sorts of social/political initiatives. They even were instrumental in crafting an amazing multidisciplinary curriculum for a Saturday school program attended by hundreds of underprivileged children in the area.)

All in all, I think an exceptional minority among a larger rank and file is pretty much par for the course across most campus environments -- especially for undergraduate populations. Greek-letter orgs, then, would simply be a reflection of that. I hope in the years since I held my advisory position, though, that my old school's NPHC orgs have reclaimed the goal of being not merely a cross section of the student body, but the cream of the crop, working toward academic/career advancement, public service, civic leadership, etc. Otherwise, they're virtually pointless cliques that would be better left behind in high school, IMO.

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No argument from me on this, because you are describing college kids, as you stated. And my fraternity will tell you to your face that we party hard, we stay up late, but most of all we graduate.

Adisa said:

Lammastide said:

I was graduate advisor for the National Pan-Hellenic Council (Black Greek-letter organization) members at one of my alma maters. The NPHC includes the fraternities Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi, Phi Beta Sigma, Alpha Phi Alpha and Iota Phi Theta. It also includes the sororities Zeta Phi Beta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Sigma Gamma Rho and Delta Sigma Theta. (My sister is a Delta.)

Because the cultures of the organizations' chapters vary widely between college campuses, it's tough to make -- and probably unfair to attempt -- generalizations on anything more than a local scale. My own observations, though, were that most NPHC group members at my school were dead weight, adding either nothing at all or something downright negative to their respective organization's reputation. At a majority of Greek social functions, most bros did liitle but get piss drunk and fight; most sisters did little but pose and argue... mostly over the lame *ss bros. Police often needed to be called in, and like clockwork the groups' members were in my office the next business day, asking me to help spin the accounts and play interference against administrative sanctions being considered against them.

I am not a Greek, but it made me angry that these troublemakers totally shat all over the legacy of leadership that their organizations had brought to bear in decades prior. Moreover, they seized attention and school resources that would have been far better invested in their brothers and sisters who were about business. (Incidentally, those members were awesome, doing everything from mentoring area youth to serving on various important university committees to advocating and working hard for all sorts of social/political initiatives. They even were instrumental in crafting an amazing multidisciplinary curriculum for a Saturday school program attended by hundreds of underprivileged children in the area.)

All in all, I think an exceptional minority among a larger rank and file is pretty much par for the course across most campus environments -- especially for undergraduate populations. Greek-letter orgs, then, would simply be a reflection of that. I hope in the years since I held my advisory position, though, that my old school's NPHC orgs have reclaimed the goal of being not merely a cross section of the student body, but the cream of the crop, working toward academic/career advancement, public service, civic leadership, etc. Otherwise, they're virtually pointless cliques that would be better left behind in high school, IMO.

[Edited 11/18/12 18:59pm]

...but most of all we graduate.

Definitely gotta respect that.

Lammastide said:

Adisa said:

...but most of all we graduate.

Definitely gotta respect that.

What about the partying? That IS part of the experience as well. Come to my frat house during the week and you will be surrounded by CEOs, prominent lawyers, doctors, college presidents and prominent professors, accountants, officers in the military, high school prinicipals, law enforcement officers, etc...and you best believe we are partying either before, after and sometimes DURING the work we do in our communities. LOL. And we most certainly put in the work in our communities.

I was in a fraternity in college. It rocked.

But I have to say - anyone that came to one of our frat parties and wasn't in our frat, wasn't going to have a good time. That's because they would be party crashers.

At my frat, and all the frats I've ever known, frat parties aren't open to the public. They're parties for the guys in the frat and their dates. They aren't parties for our friends, or guests from out of town - they're parties for us.

So if you're going to frat parties, and you aren't in the frat, then I'm not surprised you weren't welcomed with open arms.

Parties aside, frats are no different than any group of people. There will be some good guys, some great guys, some non-descript guys, and a small number of jerks.

Gunsnhalen said:

Genesia said:

Adisa said: I tend not to participate in "Greek" threads for the same reason I don't talk politics in this place. Why open myself up to the abuse that is sure to follow? I'm a member of a women's fraternity (fun fact: most Greek-letter societies for women - especially the oldest ones - were actually chartered as fraternities, not sororities) and Sweetie is a member of a men's fraternity. He is still active in his. But outside of getting together with some of my "sisters," I'm not involved with mine in any kind of organized way.

What did you think of the sorority when you where in it?

My mother was in a soritory herself when she was studying pharmacy, and said at the time it actually was good in progressing her career.

But idk... all these other people i see in Fraternities just seem to want to do nothing but party and act a fool....

Can't speak on sororities though, never been to one.

I loved it. We were the biggest house on campus during my years. Won the homecoming competition (float, banner, Yell Like Hell) three years in a row. We also won several awards from our national in those years, too - which was a big deal. Our house GPA was always one of the higher ones.

And we had great rushes and parties, too - including a Jewish Wedding party with Zeta Beta Tau that will go down in history as probably the best party ever. We chose a bride and attendants from our house, they chose a groom, rabbi and attendants from their house, and we actually set up a chuppah in our living room for the ceremony. (The unofficial theme of the party was "No chuppah, no shtuppah." )

My sorority house roommate is still one of my best friends. And my niece is now a sister - living in the same house and having as great a time as I had.

As has been noted, fraternities and sororities are private organizations - if you aren't a member, you don't really belong there. And don't even get me started on trying to dip your wick there and being surprised when the guys turn their backs on you. I knew quite a number of closeted gay fraternity members when I was in school - and they generally did not want their orientation known. Granted, things are more open now than they were when I was in school, but I would say that homosexuality in fraternities is still going to be more tolerated than celebrated.

Oh - and in their own house, those dudes have every right to adopt a superior attitude. You are on their turf.

Genesia said:

Gunsnhalen said:

What did you think of the sorority when you where in it?

My mother was in a soritory herself when she was studying pharmacy, and said at the time it actually was good in progressing her career.

But idk... all these other people i see in Fraternities just seem to want to do nothing but party and act a fool....

Can't speak on sororities though, never been to one.

I loved it. We were the biggest house on campus during my years. Won the homecoming competition (float, banner, Yell Like Hell) three years in a row. We also won several awards from our national in those years, too - which was a big deal. Our house GPA was always one of the higher ones.

And we had great rushes and parties, too - including a Jewish Wedding party with Zeta Beta Tau that will go down in history as probably the best party ever. We chose a bride and attendants from our house, they chose a groom, rabbi and attendants from their house, and we actually set up a chuppah in our living room for the ceremony. (The unofficial theme of the party was "No chuppah, no shtuppah." )

My sorority house roommate is still one of my best friends. And my niece is now a sister - living in the same house and having as great a time as I had.

As has been noted, fraternities and sororities are private organizations - if you aren't a member, you don't really belong there. And don't even get me started on trying to dip your wick there and being surprised when the guys turn their backs on you. I knew quite a number of closeted gay fraternity members when I was in school - and they generally did not want their orientation known. Granted, things are more open now than they were when I was in school, but I would say that homosexuality in fraternities is still going to be more tolerated than celebrated.

Oh - and in their own house, those dudes have every right to adopt a superior attitude. You are on their turf.

But if they have open parties & all these thing's & are trying to get people to go there ''turf''

You still think they have the right to have that attitude? fuck that, this is why a lot of those guys get there ass whooped.

They want people to come there & then disrespect them? i don't find that cool at all.

And if they want to pray to GOD & try to make there gayness go away to try to please there fellow brothers... wow there real men.

RodeoSchro said:

I was in a fraternity in college. It rocked.

But I have to say - anyone that came to one of our frat parties and wasn't in our frat, wasn't going to have a good time. That's because they would be party crashers.

At my frat, and all the frats I've ever known, frat parties aren't open to the public. They're parties for the guys in the frat and their dates. They aren't parties for our friends, or guests from out of town - they're parties for us.

So if you're going to frat parties, and you aren't in the frat, then I'm not surprised you weren't welcomed with open arms.

Parties aside, frats are no different than any group of people. There will be some good guys, some great guys, some non-descript guys, and a small number of jerks.

But the way people talk about fraternities makes it sound like a brain washing cult... more then this great club.

YOU WILL KNOW if someone is in one cause they talk about it constantly:roll: as if it is some new religion to them.

Gunsnhalen said:

RodeoSchro said:

I was in a fraternity in college. It rocked.

But I have to say - anyone that came to one of our frat parties and wasn't in our frat, wasn't going to have a good time. That's because they would be party crashers.

At my frat, and all the frats I've ever known, frat parties aren't open to the public. They're parties for the guys in the frat and their dates. They aren't parties for our friends, or guests from out of town - they're parties for us.

So if you're going to frat parties, and you aren't in the frat, then I'm not surprised you weren't welcomed with open arms.

Parties aside, frats are no different than any group of people. There will be some good guys, some great guys, some non-descript guys, and a small number of jerks.

But the way people talk about fraternities makes it sound like a brain washing cult... more then this great club.

YOU WILL KNOW if someone is in one cause they talk about it constantly:roll: as if it is some new religion to them.

I guess frats are way different in California than they are in Texas!

Frats are nothing more than collections of guys that more or less have the same interests. There are frats full of jocks, frats full of rich guys, frats full of smart guys, frats full of partiers, even frats full of engineering students.

The number one reason any guy joins a particular frat is that he thinks it will help him pull chicks.

If that's a cult, then I am a cult member!

Gunsnhalen said:

Genesia said:

I loved it. We were the biggest house on campus during my years. Won the homecoming competition (float, banner, Yell Like Hell) three years in a row. We also won several awards from our national in those years, too - which was a big deal. Our house GPA was always one of the higher ones.

And we had great rushes and parties, too - including a Jewish Wedding party with Zeta Beta Tau that will go down in history as probably the best party ever. We chose a bride and attendants from our house, they chose a groom, rabbi and attendants from their house, and we actually set up a chuppah in our living room for the ceremony. (The unofficial theme of the party was "No chuppah, no shtuppah." )

My sorority house roommate is still one of my best friends. And my niece is now a sister - living in the same house and having as great a time as I had.

As has been noted, fraternities and sororities are private organizations - if you aren't a member, you don't really belong there. And don't even get me started on trying to dip your wick there and being surprised when the guys turn their backs on you. I knew quite a number of closeted gay fraternity members when I was in school - and they generally did not want their orientation known. Granted, things are more open now than they were when I was in school, but I would say that homosexuality in fraternities is still going to be more tolerated than celebrated.

Oh - and in their own house, those dudes have every right to adopt a superior attitude. You are on their turf.

But if they have open parties & all these thing's & are trying to get people to go there ''turf''

You still think they have the right to have that attitude? fuck that, this is why a lot of those guys get there ass whooped.

They want people to come there & then disrespect them? i don't find that cool at all.

And if they want to pray to GOD & try to make there gayness go away to try to please there fellow brothers... wow there real men.

Again, I guess things are different in Cali but I have never heard of a frat having an "open" party. Not at SMU, anyway.

RodeoSchro said:

Gunsnhalen said:

But the way people talk about fraternities makes it sound like a brain washing cult... more then this great club.

YOU WILL KNOW if someone is in one cause they talk about it constantly:roll: as if it is some new religion to them.

I guess frats are way different in California than they are in Texas!

Frats are nothing more than collections of guys that more or less have the same interests. There are frats full of jocks, frats full of rich guys, frats full of smart guys, frats full of partiers, even frats full of engineering students.

The number one reason any guy joins a particular frat is that he thinks it will help him pull chicks.

If that's a cult, then I am a cult member!

They talk on facebook & everywhere else as if being in one is the greatest thing since they found out was sex was

This is why i am trying to get why people go so batshit crazy, i mean almost everyday it's talking about how amazing there sorority is & life changing & better then any other frat... and his brothers are amazing yada yada.

I mean it's like everyday the peopel i know in sororites just brag about it & talk about how inferior others are cause they didn't join

If someone asked them to go into a building & set themselves on fire they probably would

I've never been into it.

I don't like to behave according to a set of rules that don't make any sense to me.

I also find the 'ingroup outgroup' method very disturbing. In order to 'become good friends' the outgroup needs to become the enemy. So, no member can afford it to be open minded to different people.

It is a good preparation thoug, for people who want to make a career in the corporate world. You learn the social tricks to move yourself a way up on the ladder. So, for a corporate career it's a good bases.

I do like JCI, the Junio Chamber International. It's also a group, however, the aim really is to do something for the better of the world, and learning from doing that.

And I actually do know some people from fraternities & Sororities that are really good people. For me, a frat is not the outgroup per se.

Gunsnhalen said:

RodeoSchro said:

I guess frats are way different in California than they are in Texas!

Frats are nothing more than collections of guys that more or less have the same interests. There are frats full of jocks, frats full of rich guys, frats full of smart guys, frats full of partiers, even frats full of engineering students.

The number one reason any guy joins a particular frat is that he thinks it will help him pull chicks.

If that's a cult, then I am a cult member!

They talk on facebook & everywhere else as if being in one is the greatest thing since they found out was sex was

This is why i am trying to get why people go so batshit crazy, i mean almost everyday it's talking about how amazing there sorority is & life changing & better then any other frat... and his brothers are amazing yada yada.

I mean it's like everyday the peopel i know in sororites just brag about it & talk about how inferior others are cause they didn't join

If someone asked them to go into a building & set themselves on fire they probably would

They just like being a part of something exclusive. And frats are exclusive, in that you have to be asked to join one, and then you have to go through an initiation to be a full-fledged member.

So they feel some pride in that. I wouldn't worry about it. Like I said, the main attraction of any frat is its chick-pulling quotient. And THAT is dependent upon the guys in said frat.

dJJ said:

I've never been into it.

I don't like to behave according to a set of rules that don't make any sense to me.

I also find the 'ingroup outgroup' method very disturbing. In order to 'become good friends' the outgroup needs to become the enemy. So, no member can afford it to be open minded to different people.

It is a good preparation thoug, for people who want to make a career in the corporate world. You learn the social tricks to move yourself a way up on the ladder. So, for a corporate career it's a good bases.

I do like JCI, the Junio Chamber International. It's also a group, however, the aim really is to do something for the better of the world, and learning from doing that.

And I actually do know some people from fraternities & Sororities that are really good people. For me, a frat is not the outgroup per se.

I don't remember ever thinking anyone outside the Greek system was the "enemy". LOL, our only enemy was the frat next door. We were ALWAYS jerking each other's chain.

My main perception of people that weren't in a frat was that they probably didn't want to pay the dues. It wasn't that they weren't cool enough, or pretty enough. They just had different priorities for their money, and I can certainly understand that.

RodeoSchro said:

dJJ said:

I've never been into it.

I don't like to behave according to a set of rules that don't make any sense to me.

I also find the 'ingroup outgroup' method very disturbing. In order to 'become good friends' the outgroup needs to become the enemy. So, no member can afford it to be open minded to different people.

It is a good preparation thoug, for people who want to make a career in the corporate world. You learn the social tricks to move yourself a way up on the ladder. So, for a corporate career it's a good bases.

I do like JCI, the Junio Chamber International. It's also a group, however, the aim really is to do something for the better of the world, and learning from doing that.

And I actually do know some people from fraternities & Sororities that are really good people. For me, a frat is not the outgroup per se.

I don't remember ever thinking anyone outside the Greek system was the "enemy". LOL, our only enemy was the frat next door. We were ALWAYS jerking each other's chain.

My main perception of people that weren't in a frat was that they probably didn't want to pay the dues. It wasn't that they weren't cool enough, or pretty enough. They just had different priorities for their money, and I can certainly understand that.

Right. The shit ain't for everybody. I'm 38 years old and I am a dues paying member. I am active in my Alumni chapter, hold a state-wide office, serve on the advisory council for one of the local undergard chapters, and I travel to partake in Regional and National conventions. I'm busy doing shit that matters to me. Not out making enemies.