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I know, Phil... I couldn't believe it myself. What's next? Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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The ONLY thing that even slightly comes close to making sense would be if the mall sent out word to the security guards working there to keep and eye out for any and all possible war/peace protesters, or for anyone doing anything concerning the war that might start a clash of some sort...it might sound feeble to suggest that a simple T-shirt would cause anyone anywhere to react to what it says in a confrontational manner, but ya never know...if the mall owners are thinkin' "let's avoid liability lawsuits", then they might-might-have considered instructing mall guards to take a zero-tolerance stance with any and all people possibly making a "protest statement", to ask them to either "stop" what they're doing, or ask them to leave, and to call the cops if the people refuse to do either... | |
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Ugh, I hate links... here's the article:
Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest By DAMITA CHAMBERS, Associated Press Writer ALBANY, N.Y. - About 100 people descended upon a suburban mall Wednesday to protest the arrest of a man who wore a peace T-shirt while he shopped. No arrests were reported. The group marched through Crossgates Mall at noon. At one point, there was a confrontation between one of the marchers and a man carrying a sign that read "9-11." Stephen Downs, 61, was charged with trespassing in a mall after he refused to take off a T-shirt that said "Peace on Earth" and "Give peace a chance." Mall security approached Downs, and his 31-year-old son, Roger, on Monday night after they were spotted wearing the T-shirts at Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, the men said. The two said they were asked to remove the shirts made at a store there, or leave the mall. They refused. The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took his T-shirt off, but the father refused. "I said, `All right then, arrest me if you have to,'" Downs said. "So that's what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away." Downs pleaded innocent to the charges Monday night. The New York Civil Liberties Union said it would help with his case if asked. Police Chief James Murley said his officers were responding to a complaint by mall security. "We don't care what they have on their shirts, but they were asked to leave the property, and it's private property," Murley said. A mall spokeswoman did not return calls Tuesday seeking comment. Monday's arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests. --- Ridiculous. I can't believe how tempermental people are lately. What would John Lennon say? Would they arrest him too?  |
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To think that Aaronunlimited talked about american freedom of speech... "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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Also from the Reuters report:
Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in misconduct. You don't think he might have censured a judge who's close with a few cops? | |
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That's funny. I keep hearing about all these kids kicked out of school for wearing pro-war t-shirts or how they aren't allowed to express their opinions while anti-war banners and activism is flying high in schools. | |
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klaatu said: To think that Aaronunlimited talked about american freedom of speech...
the mall is private property. they were asked to leave. there's no such thing as "free speech" between private parties (the mall and the man). "free speech" actually means "lack of prior restraint" which is the GOVERNMENT telling someone what they can and cannot say. there is no freedom of speech issue here. the man was on someone else's private property and was asked to leave. | |
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AaronUnlimited said: That's funny. I keep hearing about all these kids kicked out of school for wearing pro-war t-shirts or how they aren't allowed to express their opinions while anti-war banners and activism is flying high in schools.
Sounds like an episode of South Park. | |
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TRON said: AaronUnlimited said: That's funny. I keep hearing about all these kids kicked out of school for wearing pro-war t-shirts or how they aren't allowed to express their opinions while anti-war banners and activism is flying high in schools.
Sounds like an episode of South Park.  Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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oh, and... WRONG FORUM  | |
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TRON said: AaronUnlimited said: That's funny. I keep hearing about all these kids kicked out of school for wearing pro-war t-shirts or how they aren't allowed to express their opinions while anti-war banners and activism is flying high in schools.
Sounds like an episode of South Park. yeah, it does. but not as funny or smart. | |
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AaronUnlimited said: TRON said: AaronUnlimited said: That's funny. I keep hearing about all these kids kicked out of school for wearing pro-war t-shirts or how they aren't allowed to express their opinions while anti-war banners and activism is flying high in schools.
Sounds like an episode of South Park. yeah, it does. but not as funny or smart. I'm sure they could run with the rough idea and come up with something killer. | |
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AaronUnlimited said: klaatu said: To think that Aaronunlimited talked about american freedom of speech...
the mall is private property. they were asked to leave. there's no such thing as "free speech" between private parties (the mall and the man). "free speech" actually means "lack of prior restraint" which is the GOVERNMENT telling someone what they can and cannot say. there is no freedom of speech issue here. the man was on someone else's private property and was asked to leave. Very accurate, and very true...contrary to the thread title, the man was not arrested for wearing a peace shirt, he was arrested for not leaving private property when asked to... | |
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AaronUnlimited said: klaatu said: To think that Aaronunlimited talked about american freedom of speech...
the mall is private property. they were asked to leave. there's no such thing as "free speech" between private parties (the mall and the man). "free speech" actually means "lack of prior restraint" which is the GOVERNMENT telling someone what they can and cannot say. there is no freedom of speech issue here. the man was on someone else's private property and was asked to leave. Are you deaf and blind on purpose? "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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wellbeyond said: AaronUnlimited said: klaatu said: To think that Aaronunlimited talked about american freedom of speech...
the mall is private property. they were asked to leave. there's no such thing as "free speech" between private parties (the mall and the man). "free speech" actually means "lack of prior restraint" which is the GOVERNMENT telling someone what they can and cannot say. there is no freedom of speech issue here. the man was on someone else's private property and was asked to leave. Very accurate, and very true...contrary to the thread title, the man was not arrested for wearing a peace shirt, he was arrested for not leaving private property when asked to... Because he had the shirt, now come on!!! "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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klaatu said: wellbeyond said: AaronUnlimited said: klaatu said: To think that Aaronunlimited talked about american freedom of speech...
the mall is private property. they were asked to leave. there's no such thing as "free speech" between private parties (the mall and the man). "free speech" actually means "lack of prior restraint" which is the GOVERNMENT telling someone what they can and cannot say. there is no freedom of speech issue here. the man was on someone else's private property and was asked to leave. Very accurate, and very true...contrary to the thread title, the man was not arrested for wearing a peace shirt, he was arrested for not leaving private property when asked to... Because he had the shirt, now come on!!! Right...he was asked to take the shirt off if he wanted to stay...he didn't want to, so he was asked to leave if he didn't want to take the shirt off...he didn't want to do that, either...so he was arrested for tresspassing, for lack of a better word...the police woulda laughed their asses off if anyone called them up and said "I want this man arrested for wearing a shirt!"...lol...but you call them up and say "We've asked this man to leave our establishment, and he refuses to..", and yep, they come out and remove him for ya... | |
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wellbeyond said: klaatu said: wellbeyond said: AaronUnlimited said: klaatu said: To think that Aaronunlimited talked about american freedom of speech...
the mall is private property. they were asked to leave. there's no such thing as "free speech" between private parties (the mall and the man). "free speech" actually means "lack of prior restraint" which is the GOVERNMENT telling someone what they can and cannot say. there is no freedom of speech issue here. the man was on someone else's private property and was asked to leave. Very accurate, and very true...contrary to the thread title, the man was not arrested for wearing a peace shirt, he was arrested for not leaving private property when asked to... Because he had the shirt, now come on!!! Right...he was asked to take the shirt off if he wanted to stay...he didn't want to, so he was asked to leave if he didn't want to take the shirt off...he didn't want to do that, either...so he was arrested for tresspassing, for lack of a better word...the police woulda laughed their asses off if anyone called them up and said "I want this man arrested for wearing a shirt!"...lol...but you call them up and say "We've asked this man to leave our establishment, and he refuses to..", and yep, they come out and remove him for ya... I'd understand the cops better if the guy was wearing sandals... (kidding)!!! "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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They could have asked him to leave because he had an anti-mall t-shirt. The point is that he didn't leave private property when asked to leave. If you support his "right" to sit in the mall after being asked to leave, then he should be able to come over to your living room and do the same. Hey, he has the "right" to, doesn't he?
He had the option of taking the shirt off. I don't think they meant he had to go shirtless. He works in law, so he should have known better. Most likely he's trying to make some political point. If so, he shouldn't have involved his child. | |
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Was it the Fashion Police who arrested him?  | |
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klaatu said: I'd understand the cops better if the guy was wearing sandals... (kidding)!!!
yeah, no shit... 
"I want this man arrested for wearing black socks with sandals!!..." Hell, I'd be all for that... 8) | |
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tommyalma said: They could have asked him to leave because he had an anti-mall t-shirt. The point is that he didn't leave private property when asked to leave. If you support his "right" to sit in the mall after being asked to leave, then he should be able to come over to your living room and do the same. Hey, he has the "right" to, doesn't he?
He had the option of taking the shirt off. I don't think they meant he had to go shirtless. He works in law, so he should have known better. Most likely he's trying to make some political point. If so, he shouldn't have involved his child. What about free will , maybe his son supported his action... "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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wellbeyond said: klaatu said: I'd understand the cops better if the guy was wearing sandals... (kidding)!!!
yeah, no shit...
"I want this man arrested for wearing black socks with sandals!!..." Hell, I'd be all for that... 8) Or even sockless sandals... [This message was edited Wed Mar 5 14:16:31 PST 2003 by klaatu] "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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I can c y so many people have a problem with this story, and i do wonder what the motives of the mall keeper were to instruct security guards 2 act this way, but i do understand that one can decide who should b allowed on ones property, and it is the task of the police 2 enforce that right.
Freedom sometimes cuts two ways, but that's no reason 2 abandon it. "It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."
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klaatu said: tommyalma said: They could have asked him to leave because he had an anti-mall t-shirt. The point is that he didn't leave private property when asked to leave. If you support his "right" to sit in the mall after being asked to leave, then he should be able to come over to your living room and do the same. Hey, he has the "right" to, doesn't he?
He had the option of taking the shirt off. I don't think they meant he had to go shirtless. He works in law, so he should have known better. Most likely he's trying to make some political point. If so, he shouldn't have involved his child. What about free will , maybe his son supported his action... Sorry, I misread the age of the father as the age of the son. Different thing. | |
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klaatu said: What about free will , maybe his son supported his action... teller will tell you differently, but i say NO SUCH THING teller? | |
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by the way, klaatu, go here http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=38914
to continue our discussion on this that got snipped in one of the other P&R threads. | |
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Now in hindsight it probably wasn't worth all the bad press they are getting, but there's no law against stupid. [This message was edited Wed Mar 5 16:18:04 PST 2003 by Universaluv] | |
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ONLY IN AMERICA!!! 
and that's a bad thing edit . [This message was edited Wed Mar 5 16:39:37 PST 2003 by mrdespues] | |
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