does anyone have it already?

thoughts? complaints?

[Edited 10/25/12 8:29am]

I'm going to try to hit some stores this weekend and see what's under the hood, I'm intrigued,.

Have you tried it Joe?

TD3 said:

I'm going to try to hit some stores this weekend and see what's under the hood, I'm intrigued,.

Have you tried it Joe?

no, no, I wanna hit a store too to try it, prob this Saturday

The things about Windows 8 I don't see the point of uploading this OS to a Windows 7 computer, when you won't be able to access the touch technology. For me, I would have to invest in a new computer, but I'll see this weekend what Win 8 is all about.

Everything we knew about Windows OS is no longer, Microsoft has thrown out the baby with the bath water, with the tub. I personally wouldn't upgrade to Windows 8 to an existing computer. I would wait a couple of months to allow them to get the kinks out, I messed around on some Touch-screens at Best Buy.

In two words, cumbersome and unintuitive.

This OS may possible work on a tablet but on a desktop, its clunky and you have to preform extra steps to carry out basic tasks. Start button, gone., viewing multiple screens on your computer, gone. To close out an application/window... you have to move (with your finger) an application/'window' towards the bottom of the screen. You may be able to move to it up as well but I can't remember. By the way, the toolbar no more; in its place are a set of controls which appear if you swipe over the bottom of the screen or use a mouse. I can't recall all the controls they had at the bottom but they appeared to be placed willy nilly and more often than not I guessed, the wrong control to bring up a particular command. The OS has hidden controls all over the place (I say that sort of tongue in check) which is going to take some getting use to. Because whatever command you preform, you'll need to know what area of the screen to swipe.

I kinda jumped the gun, I didn't tell you about the Window 8 touchscreen interface.

As everyone has seen the Windows 8 interface (called the Metro) boots up to different shape squares or tiles as Microsoft calls them across the screen. Most of the button on the left are the "live" tiles and most of the tiles on right are conventional buttons. Metro doesn't have traditional start button and Best Buy sales associate said it was quicker to show me the Win+X key command, than where to swipe my finger to bring up a basic start menu. There was so much stuff I can't recall it all. You can switch back to the more traditional Windows Interface on Windows 8. I thought Microsoft did this to ease the potential frustration of people using a new OS, but they added the traditional interface because a lot of software such as iTunes, Photoshop, Firefox browser and others haven't designed software to work in or on Metro. No, you can't configure you computer to boot up to the traditional Windows OS screen, you must go through Metro. As I said, there was so much to learn and figure out. In most instances the BestBuy sale ass. helped me out because I really couldn't guess or itemized what I should do. Anytime I try to use the traditional Windows OS actions, it didn't and it wouldn't work. So, I bought one of these damn things. HP Envy Touch-smart Ultra-Book 4t 1100, it should be in by mid-week, I'll have more to say then.

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As much as I hate the Microsoft Plantation, I dare to say that Windows 8 has the potential to give the ultimate to Apple Computers' iPhones & iPads.

But my main concern is how in the hell will the Linux community response to this. It's no secret that desktop environments like Gnome 3 was (and still is) a huge mistake. And also Unity, Ubuntu's desktop environment, is downright pathetic.

TonyVanDam said:

As much as I hate the Microsoft Plantation, I dare to say that Windows 8 has the potential to give the ultimate to Apple Computers' iPhones & iPads.

But my main concern is how in the hell will the Linux community response to this. It's no secret that desktop environments like Gnome 3 was (and still is) a huge mistake. And also Unity, Ubuntu's desktop environment, is downright pathetic.

I agree. It's really time for Linux developers to shit or get off the pot. I've heard and read a lot of defensive explanations to why Linux isn't as relevant as it should be. Microsoft knocked them back when the brought OS XP back to quell the potential threat Ubuntu being on Dell computers and netbooks.

I really don't think Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Red Hat and others can avoid developing their own hardware to accommodate their Distros. The tablet would be and is the perfect product for them to introduce themselves to the mainstream, instead of continuing to exist on the fringe. Linux Mint Box is the right direction but still for those specs, the price is too high. Hell, I don't think the Apple mini cost as much. So they need to step-up quick. Ubuntu should admit their BIG mistake with Gnome3/Unity and go forth because they are losing ground.

I'm not ready to blast Microsoft OS. Still, Apple doesn't do a lot of fixing things as they go, they usually get it right the 1st time and enhance their products as they go along. I forgot to take a Linux Distro to see if I could run it live, but I'll know the answer by mid-week.

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[Edited 10/28/12 15:05pm]

so it is windows 8 (which looks like balls) and its catch phrase is TOUCH the future?

so we are to touch bill gate's balls?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so it is windows 8 (which looks like balls) and its catch phrase is TOUCH the future?

so we are to touch bill gate's balls?

I heard some sketchy things about Windows 8 & the software it ALLOWS you to run [which I don't like]. But who knows...on a newer up-to-date pc, it may be kinda dope.

Tittypants said:

I heard some sketchy things about Windows 8 & the software it ALLOWS you to run [which I don't like]. But who knows...on a newer up-to-date pc, it may be kinda dope.

Yeah.

I'm assuming this is because others haven't written software to complement Windows 8 yet. You can't run iTunes in Metro but you can flip over to its traditional interface in Windows 8 and download it and run from there. I'm guessing and I'm hoping that's a temporary thing because if Windows trying to control their eco system to an extent they just want all things Microsoft they could run into some problems. I forgot ask if you could run Google Chrome as a "live tile". But I shall find out in a couple of days.

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TD3 said:

Tittypants said:

I heard some sketchy things about Windows 8 & the software it ALLOWS you to run [which I don't like]. But who knows...on a newer up-to-date pc, it may be kinda dope.

Yeah.

I'm assuming this is because others haven't written software to complement Windows 8 yet. You can't run iTunes in Metro but you can flip over to its traditional interface in Windows 8 and download it and run from there. I guessing and I'm hoping that's a temporary thing because if Windows trying to control their eco system to an extent they just want all things Microsoft they could run into some problems. I forgot ask if you could run Google Chrome as a "live tile". But I shall find out in a couple of days.

I heard something about Windows 8 being able to dictate what software you can use though [similar to Apple in a way]. Something like: If Windows 8 doesn't approve of the software, you can't use it. I don't know if it's true though. I did hear that Windows 8 is suppose to let you play xbox 360 games on your pc through it [which is pretty cool for a gamer like me ]. I'm not sure if that's true either, but it's nice addition.

Tittypants said:

TD3 said:

Yeah.

I'm assuming this is because others haven't written software to complement Windows 8 yet. You can't run iTunes in Metro but you can flip over to its traditional interface in Windows 8 and download it and run from there. I guessing and I'm hoping that's a temporary thing because if Windows trying to control their eco system to an extent they just want all things Microsoft they could run into some problems. I forgot ask if you could run Google Chrome as a "live tile". But I shall find out in a couple of days.

I heard something about Windows 8 being able to dictate what software you can use though [similar to Apple in a way]. Something like: If Windows 8 doesn't approve of the software, you can't use it. I don't know if it's true though. I did hear that Windows 8 is suppose to let you play xbox 360 games on your pc through it [which is pretty cool for a gamer like me ]. I'm not sure if that's true either, but it's nice addition.

If that's their end game, some very smart kids well jailbreak it.

TD3 said:

Tittypants said:

I heard something about Windows 8 being able to dictate what software you can use though [similar to Apple in a way]. Something like: If Windows 8 doesn't approve of the software, you can't use it. I don't know if it's true though. I did hear that Windows 8 is suppose to let you play xbox 360 games on your pc through it [which is pretty cool for a gamer like me ]. I'm not sure if that's true either, but it's nice addition.

If that's their end game, some very smart kids well jailbreak it.

Oh, I'm sure they will [as they always do]. I just hope those rumors aren't true. That would suck if they were....

Tittypants said:

TD3 said:

If that's their end game, some very smart kids well jailbreak it.

Oh, I'm sure they will [as they always do]. I just hope those rumors aren't true. That would suck if they were....

I'll let yall know by Wed./Thur. what the deal is.

TD3 said:

Tittypants said:

Oh, I'm sure they will [as they always do]. I just hope those rumors aren't true. That would suck if they were....

I'll let yall know by Wed./Thur. what the deal is.

Yes, please do!

The preview is here!!!

kewlschool said:

The preview is here!!!

Is this your computer. If so upgrade or a clean install? What's your chip-set, what OS were you upgradin from, and how old is your HDD?

TD3 said:

kewlschool said:

The preview is here!!!

Is this your computer. If so upgrade or a clean install? What's your chip-set, what OS were you upgradin from, and how old is your HDD?

Knowing kewlschool, this is probably a joke.

Tittypants said:

TD3 said:

Is this your computer. If so upgrade or a clean install? What's your chip-set, what OS were you upgradin from, and how old is your HDD?

Knowing kewlschool, this is probably a joke.

MAC fan?

Tittypants said:

TD3 said:

Is this your computer. If so upgrade or a clean install? What's your chip-set, what OS were you upgradin from, and how old is your HDD?

Knowing kewlschool, this is probably a joke.

TD3 said:

TonyVanDam said:

As much as I hate the Microsoft Plantation, I dare to say that Windows 8 has the potential to give the ultimate to Apple Computers' iPhones & iPads.

But my main concern is how in the hell will the Linux community response to this. It's no secret that desktop environments like Gnome 3 was (and still is) a huge mistake. And also Unity, Ubuntu's desktop environment, is downright pathetic.

I agree. It's really time for Linux developers to shit or get off the pot. I've heard and read a lot of defensive explanations to why Linux isn't as relevant as it should be. Microsoft knocked them back when the brought OS XP back to quell the potential threat Ubuntu being on Dell computers and netbooks.

I really don't think Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Red Hat and others can avoid developing their own hardware to accommodate their Distros. The tablet would be and is the perfect product for them to introduce themselves to the mainstream, instead of continuing to exist on the fringe. Linux Mint Box is the right direction but still for those specs, the price is too high. Hell, I don't think the Apple mini cost as much. So they need to step-up quick. Ubuntu should admit their BIG mistake with Gnome3/Unity and go forth because they are losing ground.

I'm not ready to blast Microsoft OS. Still, Apple doesn't do a lot of fixing things as they go, they usually get it right the 1st time and enhance their products as they go along. I forgot to take a Linux Distro to see if I could run it live, but I'll know the answer by mid-week.

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Uhm, not sure what these comments are about.

Linux is something that programmers, developers and people that like to configure their own systems like to use. A touch screen interface is the last thing anyone that does such things would want. 99% of the software for Linux (or similar variants) have been written by people that do it just because they are nice and offer those programs for free for anyone to use. Many popular programs available for the platform mimic the most popular programs available for Win / Mac, but those usually exist just to accommodate the new users. That's not what Linux is about though..

The idea of developing hardware specifically for Linux sounds odd to me. You can put Linux on anything that has the architecture suitable for it (if it can handle Windows or Mac OS's, it can handle Linux - you can put Linux even on some photocopier machines if you want to). If there is a way to override the startup processes on the boot sector of a tablet computer then a Linux system can be put on it. It's a different thing if the controlling methods are suitable for the installation procedures offered by the distros and how you're supposed to use them after installation.

In any case, I sincerely hope the focus of the developers for the platform doesn't shift to touch screen interfaces. They're clumsy and unsuitable for any serious programming / editing tasks.

[Edited 10/30/12 6:03am]

Having said that, if I'd get a tablet from work or as a gift I'd put Linux on it as the first thing.

novabrkr said:

TD3 said:

I agree. It's really time for Linux developers to shit or get off the pot. I've heard and read a lot of defensive explanations to why Linux isn't as relevant as it should be. Microsoft knocked them back when the brought OS XP back to quell the potential threat Ubuntu being on Dell computers and netbooks.

I really don't think Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Red Hat and others can avoid developing their own hardware to accommodate their Distros. The tablet would be and is the perfect product for them to introduce themselves to the mainstream, instead of continuing to exist on the fringe. Linux Mint Box is the right direction but still for those specs, the price is too high. Hell, I don't think the Apple mini cost as much. So they need to step-up quick. Ubuntu should admit their BIG mistake with Gnome3/Unity and go forth because they are losing ground.

I'm not ready to blast Microsoft OS. Still, Apple doesn't do a lot of fixing things as they go, they usually get it right the 1st time and enhance their products as they go along. I forgot to take a Linux Distro to see if I could run it live, but I'll know the answer by mid-week.

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[Edited 10/28/12 15:05pm]

Uhm, not sure what these comments are about.

Linux is something that programmers, developers and people that like to configure their own systems like to use. A touch screen interface is the last thing anyone that does such things would want. 99% of the software for Linux (or similar variants) have been written by people that do it just because they are nice and offer those programs for free for anyone to use. Many popular programs available for the platform mimic the most popular programs available for Win / Mac, but those usually exist just to accommodate the new users. That's not what Linux is about though..

The idea of developing hardware specifically for Linux sounds odd to me. You can put Linux on anything that has the architecture suitable for it (if it can handle Windows or Mac OS's, it can handle Linux - you can put Linux even on some photocopier machines if you want to). If there is a way to override the startup processes on the boot sector of a tablet computer then a Linux system can be put on it. It's a different thing if the controlling methods are suitable for the installation procedures offered by the distros and how you're supposed to use them after installation.

In any case, I sincerely hope the focus of the developers for the platform doesn't shift to touch screen interfaces. They're clumsy and unsuitable for any serious programming / editing tasks.

[Edited 10/30/12 6:03am]

I don't recall anyone saying Linux Ubuntu, Mint or whomever should follow Windows 8 OS, per se. I think Tony and I addressed the fact that Unity has been panned widely and Ubuntu appears as tone-death about Unity as Microsoft was about Vista. In some respect the Linux Community is losing ground. I just got into a dust up with someone over at Mint who in one breath gave me some haughty explanation of why Linux isn't known or used more widely; in another breath he got BVD's in a bunch when I said Linux wasn't ready for prime time and it probably never will be.

When Ubuntu appeared on HP, Dell and Lenovo computers a couple years ago I thought this would be the chance for the consumer to introduced to the World Linux. I'd still love it if one of the distros would come out with their own tablet.

TD3 said:

I don't recall anyone saying Linux Ubuntu, Mint or whomever should follow Windows 8 OS, per se. I think Tony and I addressed the fact that Unity has been panned widely and Ubuntu appears as tone-death about Unity as Microsoft was about Vista. In some respect the Linux Community is losing ground. I just got into a dust up with someone over at Mint who in one breath gave me some haughty explanation of why Linux isn't known or used more widely; in another breath he got BVD's in a bunch when I said Linux wasn't ready for prime time and it probably never will be.

When Ubuntu appeared on HP, Dell and Lenovo computers a couple years ago I thought this would be the chance for the consumer to introduced to the World Linux. I'd still love it if one of the distros would come out with their own tablet.

Well, the last sentence of this post contains what I was really commenting on.

I can understand your point about Linux "losing ground" because it's not widely used on portable devices, but going to such lenghts as the distros starting to manufacture their own hardware would raise quite a few eyebrows in the Linux / OSS community.

Linux isn't meant to be machine specific. The whole point has been to move away from the fraudulent idea that using specific type of software relies on specific type of hardware (sometimes it does as is the case with some media production software, but it hardly applies in all cases). Instead of having to buy the computer and the OS together, you can make the choices on what your setup is going to be like yourself. The current business models of Microsoft and Apple rely on this bullshit and it would be disappointing to see Linux being sold to people in similar manner.

I'd definitely prefer a Linux system on a tablet computer as well, so obviously I wouldn't be against your idea in the end.

I'm not really fond of how the most popular distros handle their stuff though. It's common to think that the different distros are "different variants of Linux", but they're really just bundled software packages with some sort of themed graphics to give the false impression that you're using an OS of its own kind. The only benefits of distros are the easy installation and the automated updates (well, when they happen to work). Most of the code that is included in distros has been coded by people that have nothing to do with the distro itself and they aren't going to get paid for their stuff either.

I'm not sure if the companies doing the distros would be really capable of manufacturing their own units anyway. Most of them are run by guys sitting in their own bedrooms in their underpants.

Thread hijacked.

TD3 said:

TonyVanDam said:

As much as I hate the Microsoft Plantation, I dare to say that Windows 8 has the potential to give the ultimate to Apple Computers' iPhones & iPads.

But my main concern is how in the hell will the Linux community response to this. It's no secret that desktop environments like Gnome 3 was (and still is) a huge mistake. And also Unity, Ubuntu's desktop environment, is downright pathetic.

I agree. It's really time for Linux developers to shit or get off the pot. I've heard and read a lot of defensive explanations to why Linux isn't as relevant as it should be. Microsoft knocked them back when the brought OS XP back to quell the potential threat Ubuntu being on Dell computers and netbooks.

I really don't think Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Red Hat and others can avoid developing their own hardware to accommodate their Distros. The tablet would be and is the perfect product for them to introduce themselves to the mainstream, instead of continuing to exist on the fringe. Linux Mint Box is the right direction but still for those specs, the price is too high. Hell, I don't think the Apple mini cost as much. So they need to step-up quick. Ubuntu should admit their BIG mistake with Gnome3/Unity and go forth because they are losing ground.

I'm not ready to blast Microsoft OS. Still, Apple doesn't do a lot of fixing things as they go, they usually get it right the 1st time and enhance their products as they go along. I forgot to take a Linux Distro to see if I could run it live, but I'll know the answer by mid-week.

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[Edited 10/28/12 15:05pm]

A touch screen version of Lubuntu (or any Linux distro in LXDE) on a smartphone and tablet would be great.

*db*

[Edited 11/13/12 17:09pm]

Looks like MS are back on their good-shitty-good-shitty streak when it comes to OS'.

I'll be sticking to Windows 7 for now, but MS have already made direct x 11.1 exclusive to Windows 8.