JustErin said:

Timmy84 said:

And stupid fucks exist in both genders.

Of course.

Actually, I'd even say women are harder on other women then men are on them.

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I agreee with this, I think it's always been that way though

I think men who see women as promiscuous mostly come to that conclusion if the woman in question is a possible date/lover/spouse for himself male family member or friend. Outside of that its not a bigger deal

with women though it blows the hell up

OldFriends4Sale said:

JustErin said:

Of course.

Actually, I'd even say women are harder on other women then men are on them.

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I agreee with this, I think it's always been that way though

I think men who see women as promiscuous mostly come to that conclusion if the woman in question is a possible date/lover/spouse for himself male family member or friend. Outside of that its not a bigger deal

with women though it blows the hell up

Somehow, you guys did manage to blame the females again.

Keep that spiral going, just blame the women for it. That will work (for the men, that is)

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dJJ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agreee with this, I think it's always been that way though

I think men who see women as promiscuous mostly come to that conclusion if the woman in question is a possible date/lover/spouse for himself male family member or friend. Outside of that its not a bigger deal

with women though it blows the hell up

Somehow, you guys did manage to blame the females again.

Keep that spiral going, just blame the women for it. That will work (for the men, that is)

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what did we blame women originally about?

dJJ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agreee with this, I think it's always been that way though

I think men who see women as promiscuous mostly come to that conclusion if the woman in question is a possible date/lover/spouse for himself male family member or friend. Outside of that its not a bigger deal

with women though it blows the hell up

Somehow, you guys did manage to blame the females again.

Keep that spiral going, just blame the women for it. That will work (for the men, that is)

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What are you talking about?

OldFriends4Sale said:

vainandy said:

Men certainly get a pass and get looked up to and called a player while a woman gets look down on and called a whore. But I've always loved the whores, sluts, tramps, jezebels, etc. and look up to them rather than down on them. The ones I look down on are the goodie two shoes.

Like they say though, the gay man is the male version of a whore. Hell, we even call each other whores and do it with pride. And some of our best friends are the female whores, sluts, and tramps.

But as for the double standard between permisuous straight men and permiscuous straight women, yes it exists. And since men are more permiscuous than women, that double standard kinda comes back to haunt them when they get horny and women don't want to give it up because they've been taught that if they sleep around, they are whores. Which means a straight man is going to get laid a lot less often than a gay man because not only are we whores, but so are our partners. When you're a whore and the people you sleep with are whores also, you're going to get laid more. I think that's why so many straight men hate us. The motherfuckers are jealous. Well hell, there's no need to be because they created that double standard themselves. Actually, I'm kinda glad they created it because when these women don't want to give up because they'll be labelled a whore if they do, and these men strike out all night long with them, where do you think they end up trying to get somebody to satisfty their horniness? Yoooo Hoooooo!!!!! Come here motherfuckers! I'll take care of that for you and you don't have to beat around the bush all night with me and possibly not get satisfied. I'll do as soon as we say "hello".

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thing about you guys is, when some of those horny frustrated "str8" men can't get a blo from women, they sometimes seek out a man... some of those guys are extremely homophobic

Oh honey, those bastards ain't straight. We call them "trade". Hell, you gotta come up with something to call them because straight men don't let other men blow them....ever. In reality, they are extremely closeted bisexual men whose warped minds won't even admit to themselves that they are anything other than "straight" (which they aren't). Yes, they are extremely homophobic and I hate the ground they walk on. It's because of my experiences with them, that I began saying "don't spoil it by talking". Oh yeah, they hate me because unlike these stupid weak queens that will let them think they're straight, not only will I tell them to their face that they aren't but I will also set them up to be caught and busted out so the rest of the world can see just how "straight" they are. Don't get me started on them or I'll be done typed paragraph after paragraph. I hate those bastards.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

dJJ said:

Somehow, you guys did manage to blame the females again.

Keep that spiral going, just blame the women for it. That will work (for the men, that is)

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what did we blame women originally about?

something about that tree. who chopped it down? eve, thats who! i cannot tell a lie

JustErin said:

dJJ said:

Somehow, you guys did manage to blame the females again.

Keep that spiral going, just blame the women for it. That will work (for the men, that is)

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What are you talking about?

About that you would even say that women are harder on other women then men are on them

and that according to Of4s with women it blows the hell up

Tremolina said:

JustErin said:

What are you talking about?

About that you would even say that women are harder on other women then men are on them

and that according to Of4s with women it blows the hell up

But what exactly am I blaming them for?

JustErin said:

Tremolina said:

About that you would even say that women are harder on other women then men are on them

and that according to Of4s with women it blows the hell up

But what exactly am I blaming them for?

That's a question dJJ herself is probably better fit to answer you.

Tremolina said:

JustErin said:

But what exactly am I blaming them for?

That's a question dJJ herself is probably better fit to answer you.

Well, yeah...that's why I was confused that you answered it at all.

XxAxX said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

what did we blame women originally about?

something about that tree. who chopped it down? eve, thats who! i cannot tell a lie

LOL

Tremolina said:

JustErin said:

What are you talking about?

About that you would even say that women are harder on other women then men are on them

and that according to Of4s with women it blows the hell up

dJJ said we are doing it again... I'm trying to figure out what was the 1st time

And I don't think what we are saying is 'blaming' anyone

JustErin said:

Tremolina said:

That's a question dJJ herself is probably better fit to answer you.

Well, yeah...that's why I was confused that you answered it at all.

I was just trying to help, that's all. Guess to no avail.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Tremolina said:

About that you would even say that women are harder on other women then men are on them

and that according to Of4s with women it blows the hell up

dJJ said we are doing it again... I'm trying to figure out what was the 1st time

And I don't think what we are saying is 'blaming' anyone

The fact that there are different standards for women than men about frequency of different sex partners is imo not something that women, more often than men, advocate.

The 'again' was indeed wrong. I should have just said, that blaming females for that standard, isn't going to improve the social low position of women.

dJJ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

dJJ said we are doing it again... I'm trying to figure out what was the 1st time

And I don't think what we are saying is 'blaming' anyone

The fact that there are different standards for women than men about frequency of different sex partners is imo not something that women, more often than men, advocate.

The 'again' was indeed wrong. I should have just said, that blaming females for that standard, isn't going to improve the social low position of women.

The fact of the matter is; many women are extremely hard on other women when it comes to labelling them a whore. Yes, men are guitly of that as well, but there seems to be a certain maliciousness when woman criticize this behaviour.

I'm not trying to improve the social low position of women, I'm simpy stating a fact based on observations of the women I see around me.

Women may not be to blame for creating that double standard but a hell of a lot of them certainly seem to have no problem perpetuating it.

vainandy said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

thing about you guys is, when some of those horny frustrated "str8" men can't get a blo from women, they sometimes seek out a man... some of those guys are extremely homophobic

Oh honey, those bastards ain't straight. We call them "trade". Hell, you gotta come up with something to call them because straight men don't let other men blow them....ever. In reality, they are extremely closeted bisexual men whose warped minds won't even admit to themselves that they are anything other than "straight" (which they aren't). Yes, they are extremely homophobic and I hate the ground they walk on. It's because of my experiences with them, that I began saying "don't spoil it by talking". Oh yeah, they hate me because unlike these stupid weak queens that will let them think they're straight, not only will I tell them to their face that they aren't but I will also set them up to be caught and busted out so the rest of the world can see just how "straight" they are. Don't get me started on them or I'll be done typed paragraph after paragraph. I hate those bastards.

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I don't think all closet bisexual men are homophobic. I've really only been with bi guys and I can't really say they were homophobic. They were all definately heavily closeted, tho. But, we have society to thank for that because they are looked at as less of a man if they admit to being bisexual. talk about double standards, a "straight" woman can have lesbian encounters and her womanhood is never put into question. she's not even called bisexual unless she calls herself one But, a man has to deal with lots of criticism and questioning if he is bisexual and of course, the "GAY" label is always branded on them.

kitbradley said:

vainandy said:

Oh honey, those bastards ain't straight. We call them "trade". Hell, you gotta come up with something to call them because straight men don't let other men blow them....ever. In reality, they are extremely closeted bisexual men whose warped minds won't even admit to themselves that they are anything other than "straight" (which they aren't). Yes, they are extremely homophobic and I hate the ground they walk on. It's because of my experiences with them, that I began saying "don't spoil it by talking". Oh yeah, they hate me because unlike these stupid weak queens that will let them think they're straight, not only will I tell them to their face that they aren't but I will also set them up to be caught and busted out so the rest of the world can see just how "straight" they are. Don't get me started on them or I'll be done typed paragraph after paragraph. I hate those bastards.

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I don't think all closet bisexual men are homophobic. I've really only been with bi guys and I can't really say they were homophobic. They were all definately heavily closeted, tho. But, we have society to thank for that because they are looked at as less of a man if they admit to being bisexual. talk about double standards, a "straight" woman can have lesbian encounters and her womanhood is never put into question. she's not even called bisexual unless she calls herself one But, a man has to deal with lots of criticism and questioning if he is bisexual and of course, the "GAY" label is always branded on them.

I'm not talking about a bisexual man who admits and acknowledges to himself that he's bisexual. I've had many of them and have no problem with them. We get along just fine. They enjoy their pleasures and face up to the discrimination that goes along with it. I don't even have a problem if they aren't comfortable admitting it to the world either because it does take guts to face the discrimination and not everyone is strong enough. But the fact that they are at least strong enough to admit it to themselves and to the man they are sleeping with, means they aren't going around doing the homophobic bashing. The men I'm talking about are "trade". They're bisexual also but what separates the normal bisexual men from the trade, is the trade men actually believe they are straight just because they aren't doing the sucking or getting fucked. No, they're not attracted by the sight of a dick either but they still will let another man suck them so in their heads, that justifies them thinking they are straight. And since they think they are straight, they think they are better than gay men and that gay men owe them something if they want to sleep with them. Honey, Andy ain't better than nobody else but I be damned if someone is going to think they're better than me and think I'm someone to be used or bashed. If the motherfuckers think they're going to bash me, they'll get their ass killed first. I fooled around with trade when I was in my 20s because I was new to the game and still hadn't quite figured out what they were. But even while I was fooling with them, I was no fool and wasn't going to put up with their bullshit. And now that I'm an old whore and 45 who has been around the block more than a few times, I know what they are and ain't gonna take absolutely no mess from them. I don't even fool with them any more except on extreme rare occasions once I reached around age 30. Pride is way more important to me than getting their dick.

No, bisexual men are completely normal and harmless. Trade is a "type" of bisexual man. The type that thinks they're straight and they are the worst gay bashers in the world. And from what I've seen, it's not straight men that are homophobic. Straight men could care less about what we do and have no problem with us. Hell, if we're not sexually attracted to women, they see it as "Hey, more women for me". Men that have a problem with us, nine times out of ten, are trade and have skeletons in their own closets. See....y'all done got me started on those damn trade bastards. I'm gonna have to take a blood pressure pill in a few minutes.

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Fury said:

Assuming you are single, and are practicing safe sex, is 12 partners in 365 days too many, too little or just right? Is the standard different for men and women ?

If you're a man at any age, you're a player.

If you're a woman under age 30, you're a slut; woman over 30, you're a MILF.

But make no mistake about it, there is a double standard. And it's not fair at all.

OldFriends4Sale said:

JustErin said:

How the hell does a definition of an action or behaviour apply more to one sex than the other?

If you have multiple partners over a relatively short period of time, you're promiscuous - that's it really. It's not dependant on what sex you are. You either are or you are not.

Im saying that's how it usually is seen socially, still. Promiscuous is promiscuous to me

men get a certain pass that women don't always get

like KingBad said (for a man that's a Playa)

"that's a playa"

man woman whutevah...

KingBad said "that's just a playa"

i'm all getting to the root of the male promiscu-zoid. he's could be known as a:

satyriasis [sat″ĭ-ri´ah-sis]

pathologic or exaggerated sexual desire in the male; the corresponding term in the female is nymphomania.

Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine

or maybe not.

dJJ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

dJJ said we are doing it again... I'm trying to figure out what was the 1st time

And I don't think what we are saying is 'blaming' anyone

The fact that there are different standards for women than men about frequency of different sex partners is imo not something that women, more often than men, advocate.

The 'again' was indeed wrong. I should have just said, that blaming females for that standard, isn't going to improve the social low position of women.

I dont think we blamed women for that standard at all.

Can you quote where we implied this?

Its clear to me throught history this imbalanced idea was created by men

but women go after women much harder than men would

example: my mothers generation would count back the time a (newley married) woman gets pregnant, to see if she had sex before she actually was married. the majority of the time they did this they were more critical of the woman not the man.

women also seem more likely to attack a w

I think u jumped the gun big time on your conclusion

KingBAD said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Im saying that's how it usually is seen socially, still. Promiscuous is promiscuous to me

men get a certain pass that women don't always get

like KingBad said (for a man that's a Playa)

"that's a playa"

man woman whutevah...

KingBad said "that's just a playa"

Im not saying this is your belief

OldFriends4Sale said:

KingBAD said:

"that's a playa"

man woman whutevah...

KingBad said "that's just a playa"

Im not saying this is your belief

seein a woman 'playa' is a hellova thang.

they just don't get the credit because of

the few that become 'emotional' when they

get caught up and let a dick 'get' them

when a playa crys, there's a redeemin qualty.

when a woman crys, it's expected and she

looses playa cred.

then to there are just some whoes out there

and we all been there a time or two, i'm sure.

It's your body - do what you want with it. Why give a damn if people think you're a slut?

mynameisnotsusan said:

It's your body - do what you want with it. Why give a damn if people think you're a slut?

has there ever been a time where a man might suffer in areas such as job opportunities or finding a life partner, or being shunned in his community for being a slut?

Whilst there are folks still around who grew up in other times, a woman (especially in a small town ) is unfortunately still going to attract some social stigma for so-called slutty behaviour until all the oldies and their discriminatory ways DIE OFF

I had 12 past 2 months.They were hookers and all of them were different.No repeats.I think it was 13 to be exact.

Spinlight said:

Perhaps gay men are different.

I can count on several fingers the years I fucked 12 or more people. I don't live that way now, but I probably would if I were single. Not seeing the big deal, tbh.

Gay men can go through 12 in a single night,atleast they did in the 70s bathhouse/disco pre-Aids era.

JoeTyler said:

12 partners in 12 months IS reckless

AIDS does exist

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keep it simple and safe

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Only if you're a bottom sleeping with high risk people.Straights are safe,especially hetero men.

Fury said:

No back story really Just keep getting the " you should settle down " speech But I enjoy my freedom And the casual sex that comes with it. And by being upfront With my desire to not settle down ( although I wouldn't tell a potential match "no"), I've found that there are a lot of females who just want their back broke out every now and then after dinner and a movie -- no strings

You said partners.

Boys or girls or both?