^ it does sound like he wanted back into the tunnel system.

http://wizzley.com/mole-p...derground/

The Mole People: Homeless Communities Underground

by JoHarrington

Cities thrive, out of sight, beneath the streets of New York City and Las Vegas. They have no choice and it's dangerous.

Entering the World of the Mole People

Books about the Mole People (Tunnel People) of NYC

Sociologists have ventured into the tunnels to study how people live. Buy these testimonies to discover what they found.

	The Mole People: Life in the Tunnels Beneath New York City Thousands of people live in the subway, railroad, and sewage tunnels that form the bowels of New York City and this book is about them, the so-called mole people. They live ... View on Amazon
	Tunnel People Following the homeless Manhattanites who, in the mid-1990s, chose to start a new life in the tunnel systems of the city, this record tells the stories of a variety of tunnel ... View on Amazon
	The Tunnel: The Underground Homeless of New York City (Architecture of Despair) One of the oldest surviving homeless communities in New York City has been hidden from public view in an underground train tunnel since the 1970s. Residents dwell in continual ... View on Amazon

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Beautifulstarr123 said:

free2bfreeda said:

Hurricane Sandy Could Displace Rats, Spread Infectious Disease

Posted: 10/29/2012 5:59 pm EDT Updated: 10/29/2012 6:17 pm EDT

http://www.huffingtonpost...41474.html

[i hope not. hopefully the city has information from the pest control centers on how to avoid the vermin]

Good lawd Spoke too fast

http://www.dailymail.co.u...-rats.html

XxAxX said:

i hope you survivors are hanging in there. god bless and keep you safe.

one thing i have not heard a single word about: homeless people living in the tunnels under New York City, there are miles and miles and miles and at least seven levels going down and thousands of folk living there. i'd think those tunnels would be flooded, but despite hearing about rats coming up for air, not a single word about the condition of those poor souls under the city.

hopefully, they made it out alive, but how could they have even known a storm was coming?

Funny how we never hear a word about some things. I would like to know more about their situation myself.

One would hope that most of them are eligible for assistance even if they didn't get it before for whatever reason.

babynoz said:

XxAxX said:

i hope you survivors are hanging in there. god bless and keep you safe.

one thing i have not heard a single word about: homeless people living in the tunnels under New York City, there are miles and miles and miles and at least seven levels going down and thousands of folk living there. i'd think those tunnels would be flooded, but despite hearing about rats coming up for air, not a single word about the condition of those poor souls under the city.

hopefully, they made it out alive, but how could they have even known a storm was coming?

Funny how we never hear a word about some things. I would like to know more about their situation myself.

One would hope that most of them are eligible for assistance even if they didn't get it before for whatever reason.

they don't want assistance, i think. it's a community down there, with rules and structures that differ from the above folk. but i've been thinking, how on earth would they have known of the storm? the deeper communities have runners that procure things from the surface, hopefully some of the mole people have a news source. like, a radio or wireless. but then again, the tunnels aren't likely to have reception, being all metal and concrete and such, would they?

[Edited 11/1/12 16:33pm]

Shyra said:

Ottensen said:

Just be grateful that you weren't hit. I've lived through 2 hurricanes, and while never hit directly (with damage taking place maybe only 10-20 miles away from where I was hiding), your situation could have been so much worse had the storm just moved slightly in another direction. Glad to hear you're safe----and glad to know that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Thanks, Ottie, and you're right. I should be damn grateful and I am. I guess my hormones are still all awry because I get the ass over stuff that could benefit my spastic ass in the long run. Imma flshslap my own damn sef!

Heck, I understand though---I woulda been mad if I had to pull up my plants too---that's just the pesky gardener in people. Once you get them in and get them growing, better not nothing interrupt their growing process except hell or high water.

I always thought the "tunnel people" were an urban myth.

I can't even imagine what they went through with the flooding.

XxAxX said:

babynoz said:

Funny how we never hear a word about some things. I would like to know more about their situation myself.

One would hope that most of them are eligible for assistance even if they didn't get it before for whatever reason.

they don't want assistance, i think. it's a community down there, with rules and structures that differ from the above folk. but i've been thinking, how on earth would they have known of the storm? the deeper communities have runners that procure things from the surface, hopefully some of the mole people have a news source. like, a radio or wireless. but then again, the tunnels aren't likely to have reception, being all metal and concrete and such, would they?

[Edited 11/1/12 16:33pm]

I've run into the Mole people before, deep into the night having gotten lost on the train trying to make my way back to Harlem one night and just ended up somewhere else: the entire visual of it was such a head trip ---it definitely had a "world below" quality to it...I was so disoriented trying to figure out how to get where I was going I eventually just gave up and ran upstairs to get the nearest taxi before I really found myself lost and in trouble...

Nor'easter: New York, New England May See Snow Post-Election Day

WASHINGTON -- Forecasters say another messy – and wintry – storm may cause post-Election Day problems for an already weather weary East Coast.

But meteorologists add that it's six days out, so that's rather early to get too worried. The forecast could change before it hits late next week.

The National Weather Service's forecast center that watches winter storms put out a long-range notice Thursday, saying bluntly that a nor'easter is possible for the mid-Atlantic and New England.

Forecaster Bruce Sullivan says it wouldn't be as bad as Superstorm Sandy and isn't tropical. But it could include snow in interior New England and New York, beach erosion and high winds for areas hit by Sandy, and moderate or heavier rainfall.

With hundreds of thousands of homes still with no power...I can't imagine the effect of considerable snow/rain/cold hitting us.

Fortunately it hasn't been freezing so far. The last night we spent powerless was cold but nothing that multiple layers of sweatpants & blankets couldn't handle.

Thanks for the scoop Jedi. Hope you and yours are safe and warm. I'm hoping this potential storm dies down before it hits the Tri-State. Lord knows we need to spared this time.

I filled my tank up this morning. Got to the station at 4:15am and I was the second one in line. The station opened at 8:15am and I went and got my gas. Very cold night/morning but I'm good.

Saw a LOT of tree-cutting trucks/PSEG and FIOS trucks going up and down the road. Hopefully in the next few days (and weeks) people can start the road to recovery.

SPYZFAN1 said:

Thanks for the scoop Jedi. Hope you and yours are safe and warm. I'm hoping this potential storm dies down before it hits the Tri-State. Lord knows we need to spared this time.

I filled my tank up this morning. Got to the station at 4:15am and I was the second one in line. The station opened at 8:15am and I went and got my gas. Very cold night/morning but I'm good.

Saw a LOT of tree-cutting trucks/PSEG and FIOS trucks going up and down the road. Hopefully in the next few days (and weeks) people can start the road to recovery.

I may be doing the same tomorrow at dawn...thinking of setting my alarm for 3am.

The lines for gas are RIDICULOUS. I saw some dude on the news who waited 40 HOURS for gas!!!

There's 8 million gallons of gas in the harbours, and another 25 million (or so) en route.

Before long there will be enough for everyone. People are "panic buying" at this point.

Seems like parts of New York are falling apart too, dig this:

HELL ON EARTH: New York Neighborhoods "Descend Into Chaos" as Sixth Day Passes Without Power or Help

In Brooklyn, Queen's and Staten Island, beleaguered residents prepared for a seventh day without power. And many have been forced to "scavenge for food like animals":

...residents of the Rockaways in Queens continued struggling without power, heat or food for a sixth day as their neighborhood slowly descended into chaos.

[img:$uid]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IuurXL2PzjY/UJWoSzwD91I/AAAAAAAA-A8/QxCF60NCO-I/s1600/121103-nyc-o-golf-010.jpg[/img:$uid]

With little police presence on the storm-ravaged streets, many residents of the peninsula have been forced to take their protection into their own hands, arming themselves with guns, baseball bats and even bows and arrows to ward off thugs seeking to loot their homes.

It has been reported that crooks have been disguising themselves as Long Island Power Authority workers and coming by homes on the peninsula in the middle of the night while real utility workers were nowhere to be found.

[img:$uid]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nXEajuEMm5s/UJWoTaq8mnI/AAAAAAAA-BI/yiA79DTiMTo/s1600/121103-nyc-o-golf-020.jpg[/img:$uid]

...'We booby-trapped our door and keep a baseball bat beside our bed,' Danielle Harris, 34, told the New York Daily News... The woman added that she has been hearing gunshots likely fired in the nearby housing project for three nights in a row... Meanwhile, local surfer Keone Singlehurst said that he stockpiled knives, a machete and a bow and arrow...

Most of the grocery stores in the area have not reopened since the storm, and the neighborhood has been left cut off from the rest of the city, with no trains or even shuttle buses servicing the residents... the Red Cross and FEMA were still nowhere in sight... The Borough President of Staten Island called the reaction of Red Cross - or lack thereof - to the devastation caused by Sandy an 'absolute disgrace'...

[img:$uid]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5L_O844xi_M/UJWoTy0MiBI/AAAAAAAA-BU/kVe8NxkYQ9I/s1600/121103-nyc-o-golf-030.jpg[/img:$uid]

'My advice to the people of Staten Island is do not donate to the American Red Cross,' said Mr Molinaro. 'Let them get their money elsewhere... It's an absolute disgrace in a county that has always responded to disasters all over the world... Katrina - we sent them down four trailer loads of food, water and one trailer load of generators. No one's responding to us... Of the 22 people across New York City that have perished, 15 of them died in Staten Island. The borough is still underwater.’

...In a Coney Island apartment block, where tenants huddle together in one room and human waste spills out of the toilet, tenant Jeffery Francis despairs that help is not getting to Brooklyn faster.

In what has become a ritual, the president did not dei... Northeast.

Answering questions is for mere mortals, it would seem, not an iconic cult figure bent on retaining his white-knuckled grip on power.

From here: http://directorblue.blogs...hoods.html

----

Now don't make this political but this is really sad how those still without power have to defend for themselves.

XxAxX said:

babynoz said:

Funny how we never hear a word about some things. I would like to know more about their situation myself.

One would hope that most of them are eligible for assistance even if they didn't get it before for whatever reason.

they don't want assistance, i think. it's a community down there, with rules and structures that differ from the above folk. but i've been thinking, how on earth would they have known of the storm? the deeper communities have runners that procure things from the surface, hopefully some of the mole people have a news source. like, a radio or wireless. but then again, the tunnels aren't likely to have reception, being all metal and concrete and such, would they?

[Edited 11/1/12 16:33pm]

I would guess that people surface from time to time to gather news, supplies, etc. Somehow everything gets passed along, the question is, did they know in time to prepare and if not, will we ever hear if there were casualties among them?

Perhaps they would accept a minimal level of assistance?

babynoz said:

XxAxX said:

they don't want assistance, i think. it's a community down there, with rules and structures that differ from the above folk. but i've been thinking, how on earth would they have known of the storm? the deeper communities have runners that procure things from the surface, hopefully some of the mole people have a news source. like, a radio or wireless. but then again, the tunnels aren't likely to have reception, being all metal and concrete and such, would they?

[Edited 11/1/12 16:33pm]

I would guess that people surface from time to time to gather news, supplies, etc. Somehow everything gets passed along, the question is, did they know in time to prepare and if not, will we ever hear if there were casualties among them?

Perhaps they would accept a minimal level of assistance?

Bloomberg's slow ass didn't give them time.

Timmy84 said:

Seems like parts of New York are falling apart too, dig this:

HELL ON EARTH: New York Neighborhoods "Descend Into Chaos" as Sixth Day Passes Without Power or Help

In Brooklyn, Queen's and Staten Island, beleaguered residents prepared for a seventh day without power. And many have been forced to "scavenge for food like animals":

...residents of the Rockaways in Queens continued struggling without power, heat or food for a sixth day as their neighborhood slowly descended into chaos.

[img:$uid]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IuurXL2PzjY/UJWoSzwD91I/AAAAAAAA-A8/QxCF60NCO-I/s1600/121103-nyc-o-golf-010.jpg[/img:$uid]

With little police presence on the storm-ravaged streets, many residents of the peninsula have been forced to take their protection into their own hands, arming themselves with guns, baseball bats and even bows and arrows to ward off thugs seeking to loot their homes.

It has been reported that crooks have been disguising themselves as Long Island Power Authority workers and coming by homes on the peninsula in the middle of the night while real utility workers were nowhere to be found.

[img:$uid]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nXEajuEMm5s/UJWoTaq8mnI/AAAAAAAA-BI/yiA79DTiMTo/s1600/121103-nyc-o-golf-020.jpg[/img:$uid]

...'We booby-trapped our door and keep a baseball bat beside our bed,' Danielle Harris, 34, told the New York Daily News... The woman added that she has been hearing gunshots likely fired in the nearby housing project for three nights in a row... Meanwhile, local surfer Keone Singlehurst said that he stockpiled knives, a machete and a bow and arrow...

Most of the grocery stores in the area have not reopened since the storm, and the neighborhood has been left cut off from the rest of the city, with no trains or even shuttle buses servicing the residents... the Red Cross and FEMA were still nowhere in sight... The Borough President of Staten Island called the reaction of Red Cross - or lack thereof - to the devastation caused by Sandy an 'absolute disgrace'...

[img:$uid]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5L_O844xi_M/UJWoTy0MiBI/AAAAAAAA-BU/kVe8NxkYQ9I/s1600/121103-nyc-o-golf-030.jpg[/img:$uid]

'My advice to the people of Staten Island is do not donate to the American Red Cross,' said Mr Molinaro. 'Let them get their money elsewhere... It's an absolute disgrace in a county that has always responded to disasters all over the world... Katrina - we sent them down four trailer loads of food, water and one trailer load of generators. No one's responding to us... Of the 22 people across New York City that have perished, 15 of them died in Staten Island. The borough is still underwater.’

...In a Coney Island apartment block, where tenants huddle together in one room and human waste spills out of the toilet, tenant Jeffery Francis despairs that help is not getting to Brooklyn faster.

In what has become a ritual, the president did not dei... Northeast.

Answering questions is for mere mortals, it would seem, not an iconic cult figure bent on retaining his white-knuckled grip on power.

From here: http://directorblue.blogs...hoods.html

----

Now don't make this political but this is really sad how those still without power have to defend for themselves.

ummm... where did you get that article? It's a little hard to take seriously with the same guy photoshopped into each picture.

Ah, just saw the link.

hmmm...

You're right Jedi. My dad same the same thing about people "panic buying" for gas. He hipped me to the similar gas shortage of the 1970's.

I just saw on TV that they think the fuel shortage should end by this week. Let's keep our fingers crossed. A lot of places by me are starting to get their power back up.

CarrieMpls said:

Ah, just saw the link.

hmmm...

Hmmm indeed. It's the President.

CarrieMpls said:

Ah, just saw the link.

hmmm...

Yeah, me too...

sexton said:

CarrieMpls said:

Ah, just saw the link.

hmmm...

Hmmm indeed. It's the President.

Golfer in Chief.

Timmy84 said:

sexton said:

Hmmm indeed. It's the President.

Golfer in Chief.

yeah the outfit President Obama is wearing in the golf pix looks exactly like the one he wore while going through the hurricane ravaged areas of nyc.

^BRIGANTINE, N.J. — President Barack Obama, swooping in for a somber look at Sandy's storm-whipped destruction.

^ That was in New Jersey and he was only there for 30 minutes when he hightailed it to Vegas and then back on his campaign trail. So yeah.

Timmy84 said:

^ That was in New Jersey and he was only there for 30 minutes when he hightailed it to Vegas and then back on his campaign trail. So yeah.

Bloomberg asked Obama not to come to New York.

This lie that President Obama is just golfing and not leading is as pathetic and desperate as the Republicans' fake outrage over "voting is the best revenge." Chris Christie and Mike Bloomberg have been very clear in their unrestrained praise for Obama's leadership.

Its easy in this day and age to go bout everyday task while keeping engaged in whats going on at a moments notice through out the world. As much as people are plugged into to the net and social media. This picture and the assumptions it supposedly demonstrates only work for folks who's only cellphone is Cricket

sexton said:

CarrieMpls said:

Ah, just saw the link.

hmmm...

Hmmm indeed. It's the President.

if i'm not mistaken this photo was from 12 - 2008 of President Obama playing golf in hawaii while on vacation.

so now i'm wondering what does this photo of the President taken in 2008 have to do with a cataclysmic storm that has devastated a major portion of the eastern sea-board on 20121029

imo this disaster is less a political mud slinging time than it is about putting aside our differences and realize our u.s. (and canadian) brothers and sisters and their families are in distress. they need us to be at peace with each other so's we can direct our attention to their current plight.

[if you feel my photo date source is incorrect, please provide the actual date of the originally posted photo of the President]

[Edited 11/4/12 23:09pm]

Jesus, this is just getting worse:

http://www.thegatewaypund...ell-video/

...some pics of my old neighborhood...

^^^that last one is actually the other end of my old street.

From what I hear, the boats were being swept off their docks (sometimes attached TO the dock) and floating down the streets. On fact, those two latter boats (if you notice) were only held back b/c their tops got tangled to the electric wires.

I haven't been down there yet...but now that I have a full tank of gas I'll do it soon...

Efan said:

This lie that President Obama is just golfing and not leading is as pathetic and desperate as the Republicans' fake outrage over "voting is the best revenge." Chris Christie and Mike Bloomberg have been very clear in their unrestrained praise for Obama's leadership.

Look, he's damned if he does and damned if he don't. There are always going to be folk who will find fault with whatever he does.

PurpleJedi said:

I always thought the "tunnel people" were an urban myth.

I can't even imagine what they went through with the flooding.

The Tunnel Dwellers of New York

i watched this on cable about a 2yrs ago (imo sad but true)

http://www.sundancechanne...-new-york/

related ny post article:

WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF THE MOLE PEOPLE

http://www.nypost.com/p/e...ysIm58QK1M

apparently the dwellers keep to themselves and pose no threat to the above ground dwellers.