PurpleJedi said:

JustErin said:

You actually saw a man in your daughter's room playing with her and did nothing in response like call the police!

Or you saw your little on acting like someone was in the room with her but there was actually nothing there?

Sorry...I saw her interacting with "someone-not-there" in the darkened room.

Ahh... Ok, I see then.

So really, it was just your perception of what was happening.

It goes back to what WetDream said.

PanicAttack said:

PARANORMAL ACTIVITY FROM OUJI DEMONS

This guy has more nerve than a TOOTHE ACHE! He will not leave this dangerous stuff alone!

VIDEO ONE

This guy tries to use a Ouiji Board to communicate with a Demonic Spirit but instead the VIOLENT thing begins tearing up his house. Pay attention--at the end the wicked spirit makes itself known by emmitting a fog or mist into the man's home.

VIDEO TWO

This guy NEVER LEARNS! He tries to use his Ouiji Board again and instead the Demonic Spirit he's trying to connect with crushes the glass he intends to use as a platchette. You'll also notice that the kitchen drawer behind him opens on its own as his glass shatters!

VIDEO THREE

This poor guy should be tired by now but he's NOT! This time the Demonic Spirit just knocks the glass away before he can even ask the Ouiji Board any questions!

I'm sure his other videos are 100% real, though ...

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

Sorry...I saw her interacting with "someone-not-there" in the darkened room.

Ahh... Ok, I see then.

So really, it was just your perception of what was happening.

It goes back to what WetDream said.

I had the same experience as PJ, and it was the feeling I ever felt, weird if you think about what happened afterwards. I am very glad I had a visit so to say.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

Sorry...I saw her interacting with "someone-not-there" in the darkened room.

Ahh... Ok, I see then.

So really, it was just your perception of what was happening.

It goes back to what WetDream said.

Of course, you make an observation and perceive what you will of it based on your beliefs.

So for non-believers, there will never be a visitation because that's not in the equation.

Same as Creationists who see fossils as remnants of the Great Flood.

Byron said:

PanicAttack said:

PARANORMAL ACTIVITY FROM OUJI DEMONS

This guy has more nerve than a TOOTHE ACHE! He will not leave this dangerous stuff alone!

VIDEO ONE

This guy tries to use a Ouiji Board to communicate with a Demonic Spirit but instead the VIOLENT thing begins tearing up his house. Pay attention--at the end the wicked spirit makes itself known by emmitting a fog or mist into the man's home.

VIDEO TWO

This guy NEVER LEARNS! He tries to use his Ouiji Board again and instead the Demonic Spirit he's trying to connect with crushes the glass he intends to use as a platchette. You'll also notice that the kitchen drawer behind him opens on its own as his glass shatters!

VIDEO THREE

This poor guy should be tired by now but he's NOT! This time the Demonic Spirit just knocks the glass away before he can even ask the Ouiji Board any questions!

I'm sure his other videos are 100% real, though ...

HI! I think for the most part this guy's videos are not FAKE. He did do a few where he specifically stated that they were but these aren't. Actually VIDEO TWO is kinda funny!

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Wow

OK, I have to admit I am obsessed with the first video

But I cannot make out what they keep saying. It's Cathard, Lethard or Lefarb depending on which one is saying it. Is that a saint or something? Who is that and why do they keep saying it over? It seems like a repellant to the possession but I am curious.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

OK, I have to admit I am obsessed with the first video

But I cannot make out what they keep saying. It's Cathard, Lethard or Lefarb depending on which one is saying it. Is that a saint or something? Who is that and why do they keep saying it over? It seems like a repellant to the possession but I am curious.

I think that is just the girl's name. At one point during the video, one of the girls asks "Lothard(sp?) are you OK?"

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

OK, I have to admit I am obsessed with the first video

But I cannot make out what they keep saying. It's Cathard, Lethard or Lefarb depending on which one is saying it. Is that a saint or something? Who is that and why do they keep saying it over? It seems like a repellant to the possession but I am curious.

I agree with ST3. They were calling her name because she was convulsing and unresponsive. They saw she was being controlled like a puppet...But I can't make out the possessed girl's name from the video because of all the frantic screaming.

It was also SCARY how that GLASS was moving!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY WANTED TO COMMUNICATE WITH A SPIRIT AND THEY DID! ALWAYS BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR!

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JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

Sorry...I saw her interacting with "someone-not-there" in the darkened room.

Ahh... Ok, I see then.

So really, it was just your perception of what was happening.

It goes back to what WetDream said.

So by that logic, if I saw a kid get hit by a truck crossing the street it's just perception?

Ottensen said:

PanicAttack said:

Unfortunately, these videos are NOT staged...They may appear silly or even funny, but they are real.

My nearly 20 years experience working on sets for photography, film, and video tells me otherwise, in addition to having personal spiritual experiences in Brasil and Haiti dealing precisely with the issue of spirit possession. We weren't denying that there is such a thing as a spirit world nor the many possibilities of what can take place in it...but those videos essentially look like film student projects. They are not hard to pull off when you have the technical know how to know what you're doing, and if these were cases of real authentic possession, I think they would already have been circulating and discussed among church elders, leaders, theologists, and councils worldwide. Not everything you see on youtube is authentic or real, regardless of what your religious beliefs (or lack thereof) tell you. It's a discernment issue, and that discernment comes with a level of spiritual maturity that enables one to see clearly that which is of El Shaddai, that which is of the enemy, and that which is just plain old silliness with some dumb people getting their rocks off because they don't know any better.

Sorry, but statments made in this posting were too personal in nature and needs to be addressed: I am not here to preach or make harsh or critical judgements about anyone's level of spiritual maturity and discernment on the subject at hand. To do so is way too CONDENCENDING, PRESUMPTIOUS, and DISRESPECTFUL to the other party as far as I'm personally conserned (especially when you're dealing with someone on the web whom you don't even know). Although I do NOT agree with you about the "authencity issues" surrounding the videos I posted and the general assumptions you have given to support your position, I do RESPECT the fact that you have the right to your OWN OPINIONS. If you believe these videos are fake I'm OKAY with that and I have no intentions of playing God and attacking anyone on a PERSONAL LEVEL who feels the same as you do about the matter. But at the same time, I ask that you grant me the same courtesy and RESPECT the personal conclusions I have chosen to make based on my OWN personal experiences and those of others close to me. Everyone's path in life is different. And yes, I'm all too aware that YouTube is flooded with JUNK; but you can find gems from time to time.

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I'm sure this will probably insult a lot of people here, but I find it absolutely baffling and laughable how many of you actually believe in this kind of shit. People, we belong to the educated part of our civilization; how the fuck can you still believe in infantile middle-aged fuckery like that?

Dave1992 said:

I'm sure this will probably insult a lot of people here, but I find it absolutely baffling and laughable how many of you actually believe in this kind of shit. People, we belong to the educated part of our civilization; how the fuck can you still believe in infantile middle-aged fuckery like that?

People have experiences, that's how.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Dave1992 said:

I'm sure this will probably insult a lot of people here, but I find it absolutely baffling and laughable how many of you actually believe in this kind of shit. People, we belong to the educated part of our civilization; how the fuck can you still believe in infantile middle-aged fuckery like that?

People have experiences, that's how.

But one plus one still doesn't equal three.

Dave1992 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

People have experiences, that's how.

But one plus one still doesn't equal three.

And your dismissal does not mean the experiences aren't real.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Dave1992 said:

But one plus one still doesn't equal three.

And your dismissal does not mean the experiences aren't real.

Amen.

PanicAttack said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

And your dismissal does not mean the experiences aren't real.

Amen.

Don't side with me. You're posting staged vids!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

PanicAttack said:

Amen.

Don't side with me. You're posting staged vids!

I PRESUME this thread has given me a CRAZED REPUTATION! But it's all good. I'll go take my MEDS now!

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Dave1992 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

People have experiences, that's how.

But one plus one still doesn't equal three.

I would also like to add that I do not have a good relationship with organized religion and am very hostile to most everything that comes out of it. Too much BS and not enough service. That said, I do believe in God so this is part of that territory, experiencing the supernatural. I do agree that a lot of the time the math doesn't add up. Sometimes it does.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Dave1992 said:

But one plus one still doesn't equal three.

I would also like to add that I do not have a good relationship with organized religion and am very hostile to most everything that comes out of it. Too much BS and not enough service. That said, I do believe in God so this is part of that territory, experiencing the supernatural. I do agree that a lot of the time the math doesn't add up. Sometimes it does.

Here's something you may actually find rather odd and I feel the need to put this in bold: I HAVE HAD ATHIESTS COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT HAVING SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCES WHEN PLAYING WITH THE BOARD AND OTHER OCCULT RELATED STUFF.

PanicAttack said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Don't side with me. You're posting staged vids!

I PRESUME this thread has given me a CRAZED REPUTATION! But it's all good. I'll go take my MEDS now!

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I don't know about "CRAZED", but it's certainly not doing anything for our perception of your intelligence.

PurpleJedi said:

JustErin said:

So what EXACTLY did you see?

My daughter (less than 2y.o. at the time) interacting with someone in the room. Playing peek-a-boo and laughing. It was well past her bedtime (about 10:30/11:00pm) so she shouldn't have even been awake. The hairs on the back of my neck stood on end when I walked into the room to check on the noises that we had been hearing.

This was not behavior that she ever exhibited before NOR after. EVER. In fact, it was nearly impossible to make this little girl laugh (she was an angry baby).

We heard this go on for a while, suspecting that "someone" was visiting her.

This was confirmed the following morning when my ex was informed of her grandfather's passing that previous evening...around 10:30/11:00pm.

My daughter is named after his first wife (my ex's grandmother).

I can't dismiss this as some sort of convoluted "coincidence".

1. Your daughter was giggling and playing in the room by herself, behaving in a way that wasn't usual for her.

2. Someone died that night.

You can't dismiss that as "some sort of convoluted coincidence?"

This sounds so silly to me, and I truly mean no disrespect. It's not convoluted at all. I think you WANT this to be evidence of something special having happened to your daughter. But it seems that there is no evidence of anything at all happening.

Do you really think that her being named after the deceased's ex-wife has anything to do with anything? I'm asking seriously. You mentioned it as if it were of some import, but I'm having a hard time with your whole story. As I said, it just really seems like you WANT to believe something happened.

Having said that, my oldest said some weird things about deceased relatives when she was very small, and I remember it spooking me a little bit. But I make no claims about anything supernatural, because the only thing that happened was a little girl said some things that happened to be true about people she'd never met. Maybe sheer coincidence, maybe not, but I'm very careful about making any claims that I can't substantiate. I like facts and evidence. The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.

PunkMistress said:

PurpleJedi said:

My daughter (less than 2y.o. at the time) interacting with someone in the room. Playing peek-a-boo and laughing. It was well past her bedtime (about 10:30/11:00pm) so she shouldn't have even been awake. The hairs on the back of my neck stood on end when I walked into the room to check on the noises that we had been hearing.

This was not behavior that she ever exhibited before NOR after. EVER. In fact, it was nearly impossible to make this little girl laugh (she was an angry baby).

We heard this go on for a while, suspecting that "someone" was visiting her.

This was confirmed the following morning when my ex was informed of her grandfather's passing that previous evening...around 10:30/11:00pm.

My daughter is named after his first wife (my ex's grandmother).

I can't dismiss this as some sort of convoluted "coincidence".

1. Your daughter was giggling and playing in the room by herself, behaving in a way that wasn't usual for her.

2. Someone died that night.

You can't dismiss that as "some sort of convoluted coincidence?"

This sounds so silly to me, and I truly mean no disrespect. It's not convoluted at all. I think you WANT this to be evidence of something special having happened to your daughter. But it seems that there is no evidence of anything at all happening.

Do you really think that her being named after the deceased's ex-wife has anything to do with anything? I'm asking seriously. You mentioned it as if it were of some import, but I'm having a hard time with your whole story. As I said, it just really seems like you WANT to believe something happened.

Having said that, my oldest said some weird things about deceased relatives when she was very small, and I remember it spooking me a little bit. But I make no claims about anything supernatural, because the only thing that happened was a little girl said some things that happened to be true about people she'd never met. Maybe sheer coincidence, maybe not, but I'm very careful about making any claims that I can't substantiate. I like facts and evidence. The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.

No prob, you can disagree. It's all good.

But when it comes to the belief that the dying can visit their relatives...I'm in.

Too much of a "coincidence" for my blood.

Do I have a jar of ectoplasmic goo to substantiate my claim? No.

But if ANYONE did...this topic would be a sealed deal.

PunkMistress said:

PanicAttack said:

I PRESUME this thread has given me a CRAZED REPUTATION! But it's all good. I'll go take my MEDS now!

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I don't know about "CRAZED", but it's certainly not doing anything for our perception of your intelligence.

IRONIC COMMENT. This insult was unnecessary and can be considered "ignorance" or "ignorant behavior" on its own merits. Understand, nobody's trying to force anything on anybody; you have the freedom to disagree; but with all due respect please remain civil with those of us who happen to have "experiences" that are different from yours. As you can see I'm NOT alone on this topic...Far from it--it extends way beyond the org...This is not meant to start a war, I'm just pointing out in a mature way that the insult was uncalled for and let's agree to disagree.

Also, the infinite complexities surrounding life and everything in existence makes it impossible for science to answer everything due to our physical and mortal limitations--just to name a few. To think so is no longer science but religion.

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PanicAttack said:

JustErin said:

Ahh... Ok, I see then.

So really, it was just your perception of what was happening.

It goes back to what WetDream said.

So by that logic, if I saw a kid get hit by a truck crossing the street it's just perception?

If there's a kid lying on the road, with injuries that appear in line with getting flattened by a truck, then what you saw was probably reality.

It's the invisible things that tend to be controversial...

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Dave1992 said:

But one plus one still doesn't equal three.

I would also like to add that I do not have a good relationship with organized religion and am very hostile to most everything that comes out of it. Too much BS and not enough service. That said, I do believe in God so this is part of that territory, experiencing the supernatural. I do agree that a lot of the time the math doesn't add up. Sometimes it does.

Many people call themselves atheists and say they'd never believe in supernatural stuff. That doesn't mean shit. For all we know half of them could simply be afraid and are talking themselves into not believing in these things.

When people say they "experience the supernatural" they simply added 1+1 and got 3. They experienced something (they can't explain because they haven't read enough books or because they forgot about the probability of a sheer coincidence) and automatically assume and are convinced that some devil and god shit is involved.

I quoted the wrong post, because this is also sort of a reply to what PanicAttack said afterwards. Someone calling themselves "atheist" doesn't mean they are immune to acting stupid because they are afraid of something they can't explain.

I don't even know what to say anymore. I can't believe so many educated people don't realise how far-fetched this whole fuckery is.

PanicAttack said:

PunkMistress said:

I don't know about "CRAZED", but it's certainly not doing anything for our perception of your intelligence.

IRONIC COMMENT. This insult was unnecessary and can be considered "ignorance" or "ignorant behavior" on its own merits. Understand, nobody's trying to force anything on anybody; you have the freedom to disagree; but with all due respect please remain civil with those of us who happen to have "experiences" that are different from yours. As you can see I'm NOT alone on this topic...Far from it--it extends way beyond the org...This is not meant to start a war, I'm just pointing out in a mature way that the insult was uncalled for and let's agree to disagree.

Also, the infinite complexities surrounding life and everything in existence makes it impossible for science to answer everything due to our physical and mortal limitations--just to name a few. To think so is no longer science but religion.

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This, again, will sound very harsh I'm afraid, but so many people having had "experiences" doesn't prove anything at all. If anything, it simply shows how a part of so many grown-ups is still fascinated by children's stories and still have the imagination of a seven-year-old. On one hand, that's cute and all, but when it comes to discussing supernatural, possessed ghost-shit it just become plain laughable.

People, try staying cool when dealing with "experiences". Not every "experience" and coincidence automatically means that some supernatural shit has happened to you. It simply means that someone told you about it some time ago and you were hesistant to believe it but somehow fascinated by the subject, and suddenly you think you found the great proof because a black cat shat on your doorstep.

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PanicAttack said:

CarrieMpls said:

Tens of millions of people thorughout history have pledged they experienced violent and involuntary expeiences from a ouija board? Really?

I'd love to see the documentation on that. Especially the "documentation" of someone killed by a "spirit" using a ouija boad.

Then provide PROOF that this is not real.

That's not how it works. It's up to the people making the claim to prove that it IS real if they want it to be taken seriously.

Ottensen said:

It's not a toy.

Actually, that's precisely what it is - a board game.