electricberet said:

Probably the same reason women in their 30s and 40s read Fifty Shades of Grey.

Because they have bad literary tastes? Because they don't understand true S&M so they bastardize and dilute it so they can enjoy a commerical version? Because they've never experienced a true alpha male romance so they accept a cheap facsimile in Christian Grey?

Just Erin

Anyway, people really should try to concentrate on why they do the things they do and maybe stop wasting so much time trying to figure out why others do what they do.

Yeah, because Heaven forbid one discuss social concepts.

IF that's your view, stay out of bookstores, you will find publications discussing all kinds of theories for why people do what they do.

This is really a ridiculous comment. I encourage people to have views and analysis about social behavior.Do you really expect people to have no opinion or reaction to social behavior they are surrounded by? Or do you expect them not to express it?

Did I send a personal note to Floyd Mayweather? No, I didn't. because it's not about him as a person. It's about him as an expression of a concept I want to discuss. I'm using him to discuss a concept that apparently only 3 people in this thread could surmise.

I think plenty of great minds have spent great hours figuring out why "others do what they do." For you to suggest it's something trivial is absurd. But guys have a hard time distinguishing things in this thread, I see.

IF you can't distinguish someone trying to have a conceptual debate about human behavior -- something I love to discuss -- from someone just gossiping about others, I dont' kmow what to tell you.

Look, you've already gotten some high-fives. How quaint.

Throughout this thread, I have had the unsettling feeling that I stumbled onto the movie set of Idiocracy: the Prince.org version.

Stymie said:

But I also do agree with Punkmistress that the words the OP used were inappropriate ( I don´t find them very hateful though because of the way she tried to explain her use of them in her reply to my post).

Anyway, that´s just my opinion.

The whole direction of this thread actually made me a bit sad for a bunch of reasons and I will stay out of this after one more reply to the OP.

Regardless of what she meant E, it doesn't work to paint people with broad strokes. We wouldn't know why any of these people do what they do unless we asked each of them. Who are we to sit back and make assumptions about people we don't know and don't care about? Had the OP phrased it differently, she may have gotten the answers she was looking for.

I gave my opinion. And I solicited others. My opinion is my opinion and after reading these responses I'm ever so glad to feel the way I do.

First, it's clear that most people couldn't expand their minds to even understand what I'm taking about. You in particular I believe, wrote a comment asking why I didn't just ask why people go to strip clubs. You do realize that would have been a completely different topic and I wanted to discuss the progression of the sexual mind...which is why I asked about mental delays?

I wrote exactly what I meant. And I definitely, after hearing the mentally anemic responses, really think people who find joy in strip clubs have suppressed their mental growth when it comes to sexuality.

Mental delay is exactly what I mean to write and I don't regret it, neither would I change it. YOu can give it any connotation you choose. But if I want to discuss the mental stunting of strip club goers, I dont' know why you think I should choose different words.

A mental delay is a mental delay. I personally understand a hierarchy in terms of sexuality. And getting titillated by strangers shaking their body parts in your face is at the base, the lowest level of the hierarchy. PRetty much a baboon can be stimulated by the flashing of anonymous people's body parts. Nothing much to brag about there.

But I'm really shocked so many have defended the strip club as if it's something so precious. That was the only thing I criticized although ridiculous minds have expanded it to make it seem like a criticized a range of sexual things. The logic in here ...

It's comical to me that you all think you are enlightened and I'm not. If you only new how stunted and unenlightened you sound.

Now, in case you haven't figured it out. People are going to have opinions that you don't like. IT doesn't make it hateful or wrong. The opinions may sound harsh, but if' they are rooted in truth, so be it.

I have strong opinions about things, and I definitely have strong opinions about the nature of human beings and the nature of sexuality, and my views are likely much more advanced and expansive than most of your posting here.

I'm truly having a STarfish& Coffee/Cynthia Rose moment now. Wish you all could steal my lunchbox to glimpse the things you don't understand....

but oh well.

[Edited 10/9/12 7:09am]

Yall funny.

I can't think of a single thing greater than 2 gaze upon than a prime female butt ass naked.

[Edited 10/9/12 7:12am]

wavesofbliss said:

SynthiaRose said:

I just don't understand how at 35, 40 or 50, one has the same sexual mentality they had at 20. Will Floyd be 65 and still at the strip club? Will you?

for what it is worth, i appreciate where ur coming from(sex can be an enlightening mutual exercise/experience etc), but most people dont pursue or experience sex in that way and for that reason. also dont forget the sexism involved inthe practice....

i think it mght be case of "know your audience". its not aboutmental retardation so much as, for a lot of people,esp men in our culture, things stay on the "american pie" level. it seems morelike emotional retardation than an intellectual thing. like people who prefer mastrubation to having lovers(lars and the real girl stuff)itsan immature response to a perfectly heathly natural impulse we all have.

its always disappointing when people dont strive but i dont think they are defective or wonky or whatever.

OMG! Somebody understood the nature of the question?!

Yes, I personally do see sex as an "enlightening" and "transformative" experience ... well that would be a progressive view. I did not always vision to see what sex was but as I've aged my sexual philosophy has certainly evolved repeatedly.

As for sexism, yes people are anesthesized to it, apparently. It's been talked about and hasnt' changed, so now it's just excused. Throwing dollars on the floor for a naked girl to crawl and pic up is just now fun and sexy. And if one says otherwise, apparently they are sexually repressed and have hang-ups. (no, they have standards and a higher view of sexuality).

I agree getting stimulating at strip clubs is "an immature response." As I said in the last post, baboons get horny just from the flashing of anonymous body parts. It's just so basic and detached, I can't imagine adults of a certain age still being turned on by it ... still being at stage one of sexuality.

I do think the question of emotional delay vs. intellectual delay is interesting. Perhaps a bit of both.

"Heaven forbid one discuss social concepts"

...not exactly possible when you've already convinced yourself of how right you are and how wrong/ignorant/narrow-minded everyone else is.

I just died of laughter reading SynthiaRose's latest reply.

You seriously missed the entire point of my post, but honestly, I'm not surprised.

Go ahead with your "conceptual debate about human behaviour" and people with their "mental delays" as a possible reason for certain behaviour.

PurpleJedi said:

"Heaven forbid one discuss social concepts"

...not exactly possible when you've already convinced yourself of how right you are and how wrong/ignorant/narrow-minded everyone else is.

Have you ever been to a debate? You do know that people start out with very set views that they defend vigorously while listening to others.

Of course I'm "convinced" about my views. They run pretty deep on this topic. I'm still willing to listen to opposite views, but so far ... 1) people havent' addressed the real question but are just foaming at the mouth over whatever and 2) I don't find the strip club defenses presented so far to be that compelling.

SynthiaRose said:

PurpleJedi said:

"Heaven forbid one discuss social concepts"

...not exactly possible when you've already convinced yourself of how right you are and how wrong/ignorant/narrow-minded everyone else is.

Have you ever been to a debate? You do know that people start out with very set views that they defend vigorously while listening to others.

Of course I'm "convinced" about my views. They run pretty deep on this topic. I'm still willing to listen to opposite views, but so far ... 1) people havent' addressed the real question but are just foaming at the mouth over whatever and 2) I don't find the strip club defenses presented so far to be that compelling.

Oh wait-! So this was supposed to be a DEBATE on the matter (as opposed to a discussion or an enlightement for someone who "doesn't understand" why this happens)???

SynthiaRose said:

PurpleJedi said:

"Heaven forbid one discuss social concepts"

...not exactly possible when you've already convinced yourself of how right you are and how wrong/ignorant/narrow-minded everyone else is.

Have you ever been to a debate? You do know that people start out with very set views that they defend vigorously while listening to others.

Of course I'm "convinced" about my views. They run pretty deep on this topic. I'm still willing to listen to opposite views, but so far ... 1) people havent' addressed the real question but are just foaming at the mouth over whatever and 2) I don't find the strip club defenses presented so far to be that compelling.

See reply #91.

PurpleJedi said:

SynthiaRose said:

Have you ever been to a debate? You do know that people start out with very set views that they defend vigorously while listening to others.

Of course I'm "convinced" about my views. They run pretty deep on this topic. I'm still willing to listen to opposite views, but so far ... 1) people havent' addressed the real question but are just foaming at the mouth over whatever and 2) I don't find the strip club defenses presented so far to be that compelling.

Oh wait-! So this was supposed to be a DEBATE on the matter (as opposed to a discussion or an enlightement for someone who "doesn't understand" why this happens)???

Let me resolve your confusion. A debate is a form of discussion. During the course of sharing views, one might be enlightened.

What's the conflict? What's the problem?

[Edited 10/9/12 7:35am]

I like titties to, and would vounteer as a stripper at the clubnight PunkMistress visits.

However, my lust for titties has never outweighed my repulsion of men that make money by exploiting girls that find themselves to have no better choice than stripping for a little money.

I would not feel okay with supporting an industry that is solely based on expoiting the weak position of 99% of these women.

SynthiaRose said:

PurpleJedi said:

Oh wait-! So this was supposed to be a DEBATE on the matter (as opposed to a discussion or an enlightement for someone who "doesn't understand" why this happens)???

Let me absolve your confusion. A debate is a form of discussion. During the course of sharing views, one might be enlightened.

What's the conflict? What's the problem?

You may clear or clarify my "confusion" - but not absolve it. That implies that my "confusion" is inherently evil/wrong.

The conflict/problem is that you posted a thread baiting us with the premise that you wanted an "answer" (why do men in their 30's and 40's still go to strip clubs), then upon closer inspection it's clear that you didn't really WANT an "answer" but rather wanted to express your disdain & disgust with the whole strip club scene, and furthermore labeled everyone disagreeing with you as mentally stunted.

Can you not see why this thread is running around in circles, flirting with getting locked?

dJJ said:

I like titties to, and would vounteer as a stripper at the clubnight PunkMistress visits.

However, my lust for titties has never outweighed my repulsion of men that make money by exploiting girls that find themselves to have no better choice than stripping for a little money.

I would not feel okay with supporting an industry that is solely based on expoiting the weak position of 99% of these women.

What? My dollar bills aren't good enough for you?

It's her hair, isn't it?

PurpleJedi said:

dJJ said:

I like titties to, and would vounteer as a stripper at the clubnight PunkMistress visits.

However, my lust for titties has never outweighed my repulsion of men that make money by exploiting girls that find themselves to have no better choice than stripping for a little money.

I would not feel okay with supporting an industry that is solely based on expoiting the weak position of 99% of these women.

What? My dollar bills aren't good enough for you?

It's her hair, isn't it?

neeh, her cups.

Surely you agree with me. You even would volunteer to dance around a pole in a red thong, when it comes to Punkmistress her cups, right???

PurpleJedi said:

SynthiaRose said:

Let me absolve your confusion. A debate is a form of discussion. During the course of sharing views, one might be enlightened.

What's the conflict? What's the problem?

You may clear or clarify my "confusion" - but not absolve it. That implies that my "confusion" is inherently evil/wrong.

The conflict/problem is that you posted a thread baiting us with the premise that you wanted an "answer" (why do men in their 30's and 40's still go to strip clubs), then upon closer inspection it's clear that you didn't really WANT an "answer" but rather wanted to express your disdain & disgust with the whole strip club scene, and furthermore labeled everyone disagreeing with you as mentally stunted.

Can you not see why this thread is running around in circles, flirting with getting locked?

You're too late.

I posted at 7:34 and had already changed "absolve" to "resolve" which is what I meant by 7:35 so I corrected myself and didn't need you.

But enjoy, I too find misused words to be quite hilarious.

You saw this thread as a "bait" because you have a small mind and aren't used to such discussions. I have discussions like this with my friends all the time, and none would respond like this. I'm proud of what I said and what I've presented.

Look PurpleJedi. Do you really think I care if the thread gets locked. This is forum, not real life. IT's oly so important. NO one will be devasted or cry.

There's so much ignorance here, perhaps I can help some readers who are looking all al these ridiculous responses -- and that's why I keep posting. As soon as I address all the craziness posted by PunkMistress I'm done and really don't care what happens to this thread then or now.

SynthiaRose said:

PurpleJedi said:

You may clear or clarify my "confusion" - but not absolve it. That implies that my "confusion" is inherently evil/wrong.

The conflict/problem is that you posted a thread baiting us with the premise that you wanted an "answer" (why do men in their 30's and 40's still go to strip clubs), then upon closer inspection it's clear that you didn't really WANT an "answer" but rather wanted to express your disdain & disgust with the whole strip club scene, and furthermore labeled everyone disagreeing with you as mentally stunted.

Can you not see why this thread is running around in circles, flirting with getting locked?

You're too late.

I posted at 7:34 and had already changed "absolve" to "resolve" which is what I meant by 7:35 so I corrected myself and didn't need you.

But enjoy, I too find misused words to be quite hilarious.

You saw this thread as a "bait" because you have a small mind and aren't used to such discussions. I have discussions like this with my friends all the time, and none would respond like this. I'm proud of what I said and what I've presented.

Look PurpleJedi. Do you really think I care if the thread gets locked. This is forum, not real life. IT's oly so important. NO one will be devasted or cry.

There's so much ignorance here, perhaps I can help some readers who are looking all al these ridiculous responses -- and that's why I keep posting. As soon as I address all the craziness posted by PunkMistress I'm done and really don't care what happens to this thread then or now.

Ah, I see.

a response that shouts 'Intelligent' of the screen!

ps. Don't forget to read my signature.

So apparently, based on all the quotes and accolades, you all think PunkMistress dropped some Yoda knowledge on me. Well, let's see.

PunkMistress said:

I love going to see naked women. I love it when they stick their tits in my face, and I love to watch them dance and shake what they got.

Basic.

You don't know the women. You don't have any intimate connection with the women. They are anonymous strangers. You don't have any emotional tie to the women. People are treating them in the most degrading fashion.

Why on earth would this be stimulating to you ....because you are responding on a basic, degraded level. Apparently you are in your element. So, theoretically, if there are more advanced sexual responses ...which ties sexuality to principles, values and emotion ...yours in this example would reveal mental/emotional stunting when it comes to sexuality, IMO.

It's not that deep or serious. And it has nothing to do with anything mental or mind-related in the first damn place.

Haven't you ever heard the term "mindless entertainment"? Some people like stupid comedies. Others enjoy a good shoot-em-up action movie. And some of us just love to watch titties bounce and asses shake. I assure you, "meaningful thoughts," as the OP mentioned, do not enter the picture.

See, this is where you betray yourself and reveal, again, your basic (read: unevolved) sexual mentality.

Sex is deep and serious. And human actually don't have "mindless entertainment" because we are multidimensional creatures with the body, mind and spirit engaged in everything we do. The mind is very much involved in romance and sexuality because it is the seat of our sexual values and principles which allow something to be erotic to us or not.

When people describe "mindless" activities it means they have abandoned their conscience so they don't have to see if the activities rise to the level of their values. They don't want the responsibility of seeing if said activity is worthy of them, or in this case, worthy of the beauty that is human sexuality. And this means they have a mind that lacks integrity.

The original post speaks VOLUMES about the OP's issues, and says next to nothing about the people who enjoy this certain form of entertainment.

My issue is that half of human beings don't understand sex and the full nature of sexuality. And after reading these, I'm scared that up to 80 percent of humans will never fully ascend to greater knowledge of sexuality.

to be continued....

Could you please explain to us the full nature of sexuality so that we are not going to be making stupid comments about it due to our understanding of it being so limited?

[Edited 10/9/12 8:02am]

SynthiaRose said:

So apparently, based on all the quotes and accolades, you all think PunkMistress dropped some Yoda knowledge on me. Well, let's see.

PunkMistress said:

I love going to see naked women. I love it when they stick their tits in my face, and I love to watch them dance and shake what they got.

Basic.

You don't know the women. You don't have any intimate connection with the women. They are anonymous strangers. You don't have any emotional tie to the women. People are treating them in the most degrading fashion.

Why on earth would this be stimulating to you ....because you are responding on a basic, degraded level. Apparently you are in your element. So, theoretically, if there are more advanced sexual responses ...which ties sexuality to principles, values and emotion ...yours in this example would reveal mental/emotional stunting when it comes to sexuality, IMO.

See, this is where you betray yourself and reveal, again, your basic (read: unevolved) sexual mentality.

Sex is deep and serious. And human actually don't have "mindless entertainment" because we are multidimensional creatures with the body, mind and spirit engaged in everything we do. The mind is very much involved in romance and sexuality because it is the seat of our sexual values and principles which allow something to be erotic to us or not.

When people describe "mindless" activities it means they have abandoned their conscience so they don't have to see if the activities rise to the level of their values. They don't want the responsibility of seeing if said activity is worthy of them, or in this case, worthy of the beauty that is human sexuality. And this means they have a mind that lacks integrity.

The original post speaks VOLUMES about the OP's issues, and says next to nothing about the people who enjoy this certain form of entertainment.

My issue is that half of human beings don't understand sex and the full nature of sexuality. And after reading these, I'm scared that up to 80 percent of humans will never fully ascend to greater knowledge of sexuality.

to be continued....

Well, we can't all be as enlightened nor sexually and emotionally matured as you are.

Fortunately you have logged on the org to, intelligently, convince the other members to be not even close to your level of development.

So, did you read up about narcism lately?

http://samvak.tripod.com/...fhelp.html

SynthiaRose said:

PurpleJedi said:

You may clear or clarify my "confusion" - but not absolve it. That implies that my "confusion" is inherently evil/wrong.

The conflict/problem is that you posted a thread baiting us with the premise that you wanted an "answer" (why do men in their 30's and 40's still go to strip clubs), then upon closer inspection it's clear that you didn't really WANT an "answer" but rather wanted to express your disdain & disgust with the whole strip club scene, and furthermore labeled everyone disagreeing with you as mentally stunted.

Can you not see why this thread is running around in circles, flirting with getting locked?

You're too late.

I posted at 7:34 and had already changed "absolve" to "resolve" which is what I meant by 7:35 so I corrected myself and didn't need you.

But enjoy, I too find misused words to be quite hilarious.

You saw this thread as a "bait" because you have a small mind and aren't used to such discussions. I have discussions like this with my friends all the time, and none would respond like this. I'm proud of what I said and what I've presented.

Look PurpleJedi. Do you really think I care if the thread gets locked. This is forum, not real life. IT's oly so important. NO one will be devasted or cry.

There's so much ignorance here, perhaps I can help some readers who are looking all al these ridiculous responses -- and that's why I keep posting. As soon as I address all the craziness posted by PunkMistress I'm done and really don't care what happens to this thread then or now.

Oh yes, how silly of me to have wandered in here and tried to banter with someone of your intellectual magnificence.

May I be excused now, your honor? I'll go play with simple-minded people on my same level...maybe throw some dollar bills at semi-naked women while we revel in our ignorance.

PunkMistress said:

RenHoek said:

THANK YOU!!! I mean seriously...

Ren knows what I'm talkin' about! A big Borat Hiiiiii Fiiiiiiive to my fellow happily-married, certified nasty freak!

The posters on this thread who are throwing judgments seem to have no basis for what they're saying. The ones speaking about "immaturity" and "mental delays" don't have any experience to back up their claims. But so far, those of us who DO choose to frequent strippers and the like after a certain age have shown ourselves to be mature, thoughtful, well-rounded and open-minded people who - GASP! - have more than one facet to their sexuality.

Four of the poeple who have posted here about enjoying strippers are happily partnered - which blows away these claims of stunted, lonely individuals (or, in the OP's own words, lowly reptiles with no pride) who are incapable of relating to "real women" or understanding the beauty and nuance of sex.

In other words: FAIL!

(Edited to include direct quotes of the hateful language used by the OP.)

[Edited 10/8/12 21:55pm]

1. Freakiness is not limited to low values and enjoying sexual degradation.

Don't pat yourself on the back thinking enjoying strip clubs represents some free, wild, edgy and adventurous sexual lifestyle.

It only represents that enthusiasts are stuck on the level of the baboon where you just flash body parts and they get horny. Nothing to be proud of.

2. Nope, enjoing strip clubs doesn't make one a multi-faceted individual sexually.

3. Nope, being married or partnered while going to a strip club doesn't mean you're not stunted mentally. MOst people who are married probaby don't even understand stand sex on any type of complex or advanced level. You understand "the beauty and nuance of sex" please stop it's obvious you're pretending or blind. So, sending that "fail" right back at you.

No one who truly gets "beautiful and nuanced" sexuality would ever regress back to a level of enjoying a gaudy club where naked girls put body parts in your face while they crawl for dollars.

I know I'm late to this thread, but the whole idea of "sexual refinement" made me LOL.Sex isn't refined. It's primal. It's animal. It's raw. It's the fulfillment of needs and desires that are completely unrelated to refinement and elegance.

The human sexual mind can indeed be refined and should be. We are the highest creatures on earth, after all.

I already praised the "raw" and "primal" nature of sex in first response to Kooleaze -- several posts before you mentioned these words. So, I'm not sure why you think an elevated mind cannot blend and embrace those aspects of sexuality.

Primal and raw doesn't equal sexual degradation so strip clubs need not be a part of primal sexuality.

I'm thinking you don't know what primal is...and it isn't the same as animalistic. Human beings aren't animals, unless you techically speak in terms of taxonomy. We are higher. Our primal, raw instincts that make sex so amazing arent' on the level of the animal. We're not only our instincts, but our mental values and elevated emotions. It all blends together.

But if you have a very simplistic view of sexuality, of course this seems like nonsense to you.

(already clarified what I meant by sexual refinement in my post to Kooleaze.)

But when it comes to sex and sexuality? I want to FUCK. I want to lick, suck, drool, touch, slip, slide, squeeze, watch bodies moving and gyrating and penetrating and bouncing and shaking, taking take delight and joy in complete nakedness - in every sense of the word.

You can fuck. And?

I'm thinking you're creating some mythology of what I wrote and are responding to that.

Because I criticized the context and culture of strip clubs ONLY. I never critizing fucking, et al. So, what the hell are you talking about.

YOu wanna fuck? do it! YOu wanna lick and suck?! Do it. What does that have to do with strip clubs????

I take joy in the nudity of the human body as well -- because it's living art and it's beautiful -- except when it's crawling for dollars around low-level beings whooping and hollering.

So, I don't think I esteem nakedness the same as you.... but higher.

I honestly can't believe there are so many supporters of the strip club environment -- which is the only thing this thread was designed to disparage.

If I were to meet a potential partner who expressed the hangups about sex that are revealed in the post which started this thread, I would run as far as possible in the opposite direction.

You and I would NEVER EVER EVER be attracted to the same partners. I don't have sexual hangups, lol, I have sexual values -- I value the human being and human sexuality and I would never esteem either so low that a strip club would be an acceptable context. Once one has respect for humans and sexuality, the sexual landscape is wide, wild and free and I guarantee we can enjoy far more bliss and adventure than cavemen/cavewomen in a gaudy strip club.

The bottomline is people dont' truly understand sexuality and thus they don't give it the value and reverence it deserves.

Those who think frowning on crawling for dollars and sleeziness equates to "sexual hangups" should indeed RUN in the opposite direction. They won't be missed or desired.

P.S. I'm a married woman in my 30s. My husband and I have a mature, loving, supportive and joyful union filled with communication and respect.

Completely irrelevant.

P.P.S. SynthiaRose, are you willing to accept the possibility that the fact that a person frequents a strip club doesn't necessarily mean they fit the pathetic description you provided? (My example alone would seem to disprove your stated theory, no?)

Of course I'm not willing to accept that. From what Iv'e read here... development delay seems to be quite right. MOst peopel don't know what sex is -- beyond the basics.

Most people won't comprehend there are higher tiers of sexual development because they honestly can't conceive of a sexual hierarchy. Or, in orther words, they don't understand butterscotch clouds and tangerines...they've never had it. ... but if they set their minds free ...maybe they would undersand??

Impossible.

[Edited 10/9/12 8:40am]

SynthiaRose said:

Most people won't comprehend there are higher tiers of sexual development because they honestly can't conceive of a sexual hierarchy. Or, in orther words, they don't understand butterscotch clouds and tangerines...they've never had it. ... but if they set their minds free ...maybe they would undersand??

Impossible.

[Edited 10/9/12 8:40am]

So, why didn't you start a thread that is informative and positive about good sex?

Why did you did you post your opinion as a question, using degrading terminology?

What is it you really wanted when you started this thread?

dJJ said:

SynthiaRose said:

So, why didn't you start a thread that is informative and positive about good sex?

Why did you did you post your opinion as a question, using degrading terminology?

What is it you really wanted when you started this thread?

1. Because I was curious about how people can go to strip clubs for successive decades when it's on a very subzero level of sexuality and presumably a person should mature in all ways with each passing year. That's what I wanted to discuss.

Believe it or not, I DID NOT think this would be controversial. I expected most would share my sentiments. I had no idea that by disparaging strip clubs I had criticized something so precious. IT's still rather shocking to me...the responses.

2. If I seek other opinions, of course I'm going to give my own. I'm not looking for others to enligthen me. I'm looking to debate. So, I stated my view and asked for others. Why should I set the question up otherwise?

IF you look at my original post, I even laud burlesque so that people knew I was NOT simply criticizing nudity or sexual showbiz. I think I even discussed burlesque in a humorous fashion, thinking the humor would suggest the post wasn't trying to be overly harsh.

I don't think saying behavior suggests a mental delay is unacceptable. That's what I feel. IT's kinda just explanatory. Why should I create a Mary Poppins questions and tip toe around what I want to say? Can't people handle my estimation of the truth? OR is it so true that that's why people are so upset?

[Edited 10/9/12 9:01am]

SynthiaRose said:

dJJ said:

So, why didn't you start a thread that is informative and positive about good sex?

Why did you did you post your opinion as a question, using degrading terminology?

What is it you really wanted when you started this thread?

1. Because I was curious about how people can go to strip clubs for successive decades when it's on a very subzero level of sexuality and presumably a person should mature in all ways with each passing year. That's what I wanted to discuss.

Believe it or not, I DID NOT think this would be controversial. I expected most would share my sentiments. I had no idea that by disparaging strip clubs I had criticized something so precious. IT's still rather shocking to me...the responses.

2. If I seek other opinions, of course I'm going to give my own. I'm not looking for others to enligthen me. I'm looking to debate. So, I stated my view and asked for others. Why should I set the question up otherwise?

IF you look at my original post, I even laud burlesque so that people knew I was NOT simply criticizing nudity or sexual showbiz. I think I even discussed burlesque in a humorous fashion, thinking the humor would suggest the post wasn't trying to be overly harsh.

I don't think saying behavior suggests a mental delay is unacceptable. That's what I feel. IT's kinds just explanatory. Why should I create a Mary Poppins questions and tip toe around what I want to say? Can't people handle my estimation of the truth? OR is it so true that that's why people are so upset?

[Edited 10/9/12 9:00am]

"Truth" (and the variations of it) we can handle.

Opinions we can handle.

Discourse, we can handle.

Pompous arrogance...that's a different story.

PurpleJedi said:

SynthiaRose said:

1. Because I was curious about how people can go to strip clubs for successive decades when it's on a very subzero level of sexuality and presumably a person should mature in all ways with each passing year. That's what I wanted to discuss.

Believe it or not, I DID NOT think this would be controversial. I expected most would share my sentiments. I had no idea that by disparaging strip clubs I had criticized something so precious. IT's still rather shocking to me...the responses.

2. If I seek other opinions, of course I'm going to give my own. I'm not looking for others to enligthen me. I'm looking to debate. So, I stated my view and asked for others. Why should I set the question up otherwise?

IF you look at my original post, I even laud burlesque so that people knew I was NOT simply criticizing nudity or sexual showbiz. I think I even discussed burlesque in a humorous fashion, thinking the humor would suggest the post wasn't trying to be overly harsh.

I don't think saying behavior suggests a mental delay is unacceptable. That's what I feel. IT's kinds just explanatory. Why should I create a Mary Poppins questions and tip toe around what I want to say? Can't people handle my estimation of the truth? OR is it so true that that's why people are so upset?

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"Truth" (and the variations of it) we can handle.

Opinions we can handle.

Discourse, we can handle.

Pompous arrogance...that's a different story.

But Purple JEdi, my first post wasn't arrogant. I thought it was bold but funny and a good topic of convesation.

And no people can't handle opinions -- that's why the thread got out of control. PEople becae consumed with the idea of how dare I judge those at strip clubs! When the fact of the matter is we should make judgments every day. That's how we form our identities and ideologies -- by confirming and rejecting actions, behaviors and beliefs. We say ..this is for me, this is not ...this represents me, this is not... those are discriminations and judgements and I think those types of judgments are fine.

Now, since apparently I said a whole bunch of evil stuff that riled people, of course I'm defending myself and not mincing words. If that comes off as pompous or arrogant, oh well, I have tried to present my truth passionately. And that is all.

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You do not want discuss anything.

You immediately dismiss people who do not share your opinion.

Want to know what's dissapointing? When you come home and the potatoes are cold.

Want to point your finger? Point it at a pastry at the bakers.

Yeah, great thread.

SynthiaRose said:

electricberet said:

Probably the same reason women in their 30s and 40s read Fifty Shades of Grey.

Because they have bad literary tastes? Because they don't understand true S&M so they bastardize and dilute it so they can enjoy a commerical version? Because they've never experienced a true alpha male romance so they accept a cheap facsimile in Christian Grey?

Regardless of what she meant E, it doesn't work to paint people with broad strokes. We wouldn't know why any of these people do what they do unless we asked each of them. Who are we to sit back and make assumptions about people we don't know and don't care about? Had the OP phrased it differently, she may have gotten the answers she was looking for.

I gave my opinion. And I solicited others. My opinion is my opinion and after reading these responses I'm ever so glad to feel the way I do.

First, it's clear that most people couldn't expand their minds to even understand what I'm taking about. You in particular I believe, wrote a comment asking why I didn't just ask why people go to strip clubs. You do realize that would have been a completely different topic and I wanted to discuss the progression of the sexual mind...which is why I asked about mental delays?

I wrote exactly what I meant. And I definitely, after hearing the mentally anemic responses, really think people who find joy in strip clubs have suppressed their mental growth when it comes to sexuality.

Mental delay is exactly what I mean to write and I don't regret it, neither would I change it. YOu can give it any connotation you choose. But if I want to discuss the mental stunting of strip club goers, I dont' know why you think I should choose different words.

A mental delay is a mental delay. I personally understand a hierarchy in terms of sexuality and no one else does???. And getting titillated by strangers shaking their body parts in your face is at the base, the lowest level of the hierarchy. PRetty much a baboon can be stimulated by the flashing of anonymous people's body parts. Nothing much to brag about there.

But I'm really shocked so many have defended the strip club as if it's something so precious. That was the only thing I criticized although ridiculous minds have expanded it to make it seem like a criticized a range of sexual things. The logic in here ...

It's comical to me that you all think you are enlightened and I'm not. If you only new how stunted and unenlightened you sound.

Now, in case you haven't figured it out. People are going to have opinions that you don't like. IT doesn't make it hateful or wrong. The opinions may sound harsh, but if' they are rooted in truth, so be it.

I have strong opinions about things, and I definitely have strong opinions about the nature of human beings and the nature of sexuality, and my views are likely much more advanced and expansive than most of your posting here.

I'm truly having a STarfish& Coffee/Cynthia Rose moment now. Wish you all could steal my lunchbox to glimpse the things you don't understand....

but oh well.

[Edited 10/9/12 7:09am]

The response boxes are acting up so I will start by stating this is a post from Ottie, y'all and this has all become so ridiculous , I'm just going to post some thoughts, straight and no chaser and get back to work for a minute:

Synthia, your response post above and your previous post before it is so chock full of insults and arrogance, it borders on bait. So much so, that I retract my previous statement about you not intending to offend others here. It's is abundantly clear that not only do you not give a rat's ass who you offend here, you've reveled in it, and the people participating in this thread are supposed to somehow be grateful for the level to which you're elevating the conversation, which in all sincerity is one-sided, condescending, and showing little to zero discernment in how to properly respond to people without attacking them . That, my Scorpio friend, is about as evolved in social behavior as the baboons you've described who cannot control their own impulses, and hardly qualifies for being a serious discussion or debate.

This whole *I know everything and you poor slobs don't* schtick is fatiguing, and this fiasco of a thread resembles nothing more than a narcisscistic exercise in having those you consider so far beneath you rise to meet the requirements of joining some sort of fan club (metaphorically speaking,) in which every pronouncement that comes from your keyboard is omniscient and an infallible decree.

Newsflash, dear: that is so not going to happen. Maybe that's how things roll in your world, but not here.

We are a multi-dimensional group of intelligent adults with full, dynamic lives who do not need nor want to be here for others to belittle us, berate us, or look down their noses at us in bemused condescension because of some perceived sense of superiority they mistakenly believe they have over us. Starting dialogue and having differing opinions that you are passionate about is fine, well, and encouraged here- but make no mistake that this all ceased to be meaningful discourse as soon as the insults started rolling from your corner towards any and everyone here that was not wholeheartedly in agreement with you on this topic. Overall, the people in this forum are a lighthearted bunch who communicate with one another openly, unabashedly, with an open mind, and most importantly with RESPECT. So if you are not satisfied with the level of discourse on this subject, and with it not rising to the level of elevated conversation you so allege you desire, then please review your responses here on this thread and know that you have no one but YOURSELF to blame.

You are right that this is impossible. Enough is enough, and quite frankly, I'm glad that you're done. Hopefully being "done", for future reference, would include but not be limited to throwing disparaging comments at anyone who just so happens to disagree with your point of view at any given time on an Org thread.

fertig.

Ottensen said:

blah, blah blah

Oh please. I am in defense mode right now. I'm not going to let people attack me and accuse me of all kinds of shit without defending my views and myself ferociously.I have yet to say anything I regret.

I haven't asked anyone to be "grateful" for my thoughts. If you all think my thoughts are arrogant, I don't care.

Why the hell shoudl I communiate with someone with an open mind. Have you seen these responses? ARe they open-minded? No, but you won't say shit to them because mob action against someone with higher principles is OK, right? Happens all the time, not impressed. Go ahead and join the fucking mob .

I'm going to return fire with fire. Save your admonishments for the others.

I know exactly what I'm doing today. I ignored this entire thread yesterday -- so yeah I"m baiting? -- and then seeing all this shit, you really think I"m not comign with a machine gun.

I dont' give a fuck right now. I posted a thread with good intentions and I am not the one that took it in the other direction. And it's not my nature to roll over and play goodytwoshoes while people talk shit.

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Well, being the devil's advocate that I always am...I agree with the OP.

I really don't give a shit what other people do. MY OPINION is that stripping is pathetic and sad, disgusting and wrong. These girls are damaged people, and even though they may look nice on the outside, there is something terribly dysfunctional on the inside.

For them to manipulate others for money based on lust is just nasty to me. And the guys that frequent these places, don't even get me started. GROSS.

Carry on.

SynthiaRose said:

Ottensen said:

blah, blah blah

Oh please. I am in defense mode right now. I'm not going to let people attack me and accuse me of all kinds of shit without defending my views and myself ferociously.I have yet to say anything I regret.

I haven't asked anyone to be "grateful" for my thoughts. If you all think my thoughts are arrogant, I don't care.

Why the hell shoudl I communiate with someone with an open mind. Have you seen these responses? ARe they open-minded? No, but you won't say shit to them because mob action against someone with higher principles is OK, right? Happens all the time, not impressed. Go ahead and join the fucking mob .

I'm going to return fire with fire. Save your admonishments for the others.

I know exactly what I'm doing today. I ignored this entire thread yesterday -- so yeah I"m baiting? -- and then seeing all this shit, you really think I"m not comign with a machine gun.

I dont' give a fuck right now. I posted a thread with good intentions and I am not the one that took it in the other direction. And it's not my nature to roll over and play goodytwoshoes while people talk shit.

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Oh, don't take it personally. You're sort of new here so your opinion is going to be squashed. If youwere a regular person here whom everyone knew and admired, they would just take your opinion and respond accordingly without mockery. Just another day at the org.

SynthiaRose said:

electricberet said:

Probably the same reason women in their 30s and 40s read Fifty Shades of Grey.

Because they have bad literary tastes? Because they don't understand true S&M so they bastardize and dilute it so they can enjoy a commerical version? Because they've never experienced a true alpha male romance so they accept a cheap facsimile in Christian Grey?

Regardless of what she meant E, it doesn't work to paint people with broad strokes. We wouldn't know why any of these people do what they do unless we asked each of them. Who are we to sit back and make assumptions about people we don't know and don't care about? Had the OP phrased it differently, she may have gotten the answers she was looking for.

I gave my opinion. And I solicited others. My opinion is my opinion and after reading these responses I'm ever so glad to feel the way I do.

First, it's clear that most people couldn't expand their minds to even understand what I'm taking about. You in particular I believe, wrote a comment asking why I didn't just ask why people go to strip clubs. You do realize that would have been a completely different topic and I wanted to discuss the progression of the sexual mind...which is why I asked about mental delays?

I wrote exactly what I meant. And I definitely, after hearing the mentally anemic responses, really think people who find joy in strip clubs have suppressed their mental growth when it comes to sexuality.

Mental delay is exactly what I mean to write and I don't regret it, neither would I change it. YOu can give it any connotation you choose. But if I want to discuss the mental stunting of strip club goers, I dont' know why you think I should choose different words.

A mental delay is a mental delay. I personally understand a hierarchy in terms of sexuality. And getting titillated by strangers shaking their body parts in your face is at the base, the lowest level of the hierarchy. PRetty much a baboon can be stimulated by the flashing of anonymous people's body parts. Nothing much to brag about there.

But I'm really shocked so many have defended the strip club as if it's something so precious. That was the only thing I criticized although ridiculous minds have expanded it to make it seem like a criticized a range of sexual things. The logic in here ...

It's comical to me that you all think you are enlightened and I'm not. If you only new how stunted and unenlightened you sound.

Now, in case you haven't figured it out. People are going to have opinions that you don't like. IT doesn't make it hateful or wrong. The opinions may sound harsh, but if' they are rooted in truth, so be it.

I have strong opinions about things, and I definitely have strong opinions about the nature of human beings and the nature of sexuality, and my views are likely much more advanced and expansive than most of your posting here.

I'm truly having a STarfish& Coffee/Cynthia Rose moment now. Wish you all could steal my lunchbox to glimpse the things you don't understand....

but oh well.

[Edited 10/9/12 7:09am]

And you continue to show why you are not really interested in others views on this. I never said I was enlightened. Hell, liking titties isn't some deep thing. I haven't defended strip clubs as something precious either but if you want to continue to make folks' responses to you something that they aren't, do it without mine because I'm done.