SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

damosuzuki said:

I wish if she had to respond she would have used her platform to attack the assumption that if one is overweight or obese that it has to be attributed to a failure of character. There’s a lot of evidence attributing obesity to absence of or resistance to hormones, resulting in people experiencing satiety differently than others who do not have that resistance. When you look at the millions of calories we consume over our lifetime and the mechanisms evolved to govern our body systems and weight, I think it’s incredibly condescending to state as this cunt did that this woman is making a choice to be overweight. That doesn’t mean environmental factors like access to a limitless supply of calories can be dismissed, or that we shouldn’t press people to be physically active and control their food intake – but that we should be looking at the problem of obesity as a health issue, and something to be assessed as any other health issue ought to be.

For anyone who might be interested, here is a lecture with Jeffrey Friedman who discovered leptin, a key regulatory hormone made by fat tissue that’s been shown to have a key role in weight regulation. I tried to find his lecture with the HHMI, which is excellent, but it doesn’t seem to be on youtube.

Not to mention the incfluence that chemicals/modified food has on the body and the fact that she is the mother of 3 kids. It would be one thing to express concern for her well being and her health but to link it to role modeling is where this goes wrong for me.

Excuses... Not every mother is obese, or even overweight... even when they hit middle age! Unless she has medical issues from medications being overweight or obese is a choice...period... Nothing wrong with that AT ALL! As long as you are happy with yourself, but i get tired of people "explaining" it away and not taking responsibility by placing blame on something else... That is the first step to getting healthy is admitting responsibility.... I have been overweight, I "chose" to do something about it, and continue to work on it everyday... Self control is hard!

just as in the body hair thread, everyone has an opinion on what they find beautiful and whatever they choose is OK! noone elses business!

I agree with Stymie, he can go fuck himself for his assumption...

tinaz said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Not to mention the incfluence that chemicals/modified food has on the body and the fact that she is the mother of 3 kids. It would be one thing to express concern for her well being and her health but to link it to role modeling is where this goes wrong for me.

Excuses... Not every mother is obese, or even overweight... even when they hit middle age! Unless she has medical issues from medications being overweight or obese is a choice...period... Nothing wrong with that AT ALL! As long as you are happy with yourself, but i get tired of people "explaining" it away and not taking responsibility by placing blame on something else... That is the first step to getting healthy is admitting responsibility.... I have been overweight, I "chose" to do something about it, and continue to work on it everyday... Self control is hard!

just as in the body hair thread, everyone has an opinion on what they find beautiful and whatever they choose is OK! noone elses business!

I agree with Stymie, he can go fuck himself for his assumption...

Heck I'm fat because I eat to much and hate working out... I'm lazy and I know it!

I should have more shame... but once I blew up I stopped caring since I got dogged either way.

Now... being fat doesn't help at all when your boyfriend actually likes you that way, go figure!

paintedlady said:

tinaz said:

Excuses... Not every mother is obese, or even overweight... even when they hit middle age! Unless she has medical issues from medications being overweight or obese is a choice...period... Nothing wrong with that AT ALL! As long as you are happy with yourself, but i get tired of people "explaining" it away and not taking responsibility by placing blame on something else... That is the first step to getting healthy is admitting responsibility.... I have been overweight, I "chose" to do something about it, and continue to work on it everyday... Self control is hard!

just as in the body hair thread, everyone has an opinion on what they find beautiful and whatever they choose is OK! noone elses business!

I agree with Stymie, he can go fuck himself for his assumption...

Heck I'm fat because I eat to much and hate working out... I'm lazy and I know it!

I should have more shame... but once I blew up I stopped caring since I got dogged either way.

Now... being fat doesn't help at all when your boyfriend actually likes you that way, go figure!

It's hard for anyone to lose weight once you're "set in your ways". But once someone's that determined it doesn't stop them but if men dig women like that (and there's lots who do), then I guess whatever makes the couple happy and stay together. Shit, nothing wrong with being fat if you don't go overboard with it. People are gonna do what they wanna do if it means losing it or maintaining it.

tinaz said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Not to mention the incfluence that chemicals/modified food has on the body and the fact that she is the mother of 3 kids. It would be one thing to express concern for her well being and her health but to link it to role modeling is where this goes wrong for me.

Excuses... Not every mother is obese, or even overweight... even when they hit middle age! Unless she has medical issues from medications being overweight or obese is a choice...period...

Well, I would say that I think we should be very careful in labelling obesity as a choice, and we need to be informed by the best available evidence, and resist answers in any one direction (IE is the cause of obesity lack of willpower versus genetic influences vs family/environmental factors), because the likely answer is that all three have an impact. And I think we should be immediately skeptical of any answer that allows us to feel better about ourselves (or feel worse about another group of people) – not that there couldn’t be some truth in that answer, but we should still treat it skeptically because we run the risk of accepting an answer based on how we prefer to see ourselves and the world rather than what the best evidence tells us.

One of the best resources we have is twin studies (particularly identical twins split at birth & raised in different homes), and most twin studies have shown that there is a substantial genetic component to weight.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...ed/3712713

http://www.nature.com/ijo...9177a.html

http://www.ingentaconnect...5/art00008

If you have the time, I’d really encourage you to watch the youtube video I posted above. Leptin resistance and the impact on people's satiety and weight is a perfect example of the impact of hormones on weight, and that's not to suggest that it's a catch-all answer, because it's not and no one claims it is. But it does show the that the variability of weight among a population that generally experiences the same environmental factors (IE continuous access to a limitless supply of food) can substantially be explained by genetics.

If anyone's interested, the Howard Hughes Medical institute has a free DVD titled ‘the Science of Fat’ available free of charge. The HHMI has a nice catalogue of science DVDs that they ship completely free to anyone in north America – no shipping charges, no cost at all, no strings. They’re fairly bare-bones affairs, but all of the lectures are interesting & worth watching.

http://www.hhmi.org/catal...ction=home

[Edited 10/5/12 4:25am]

damosuzuki said:

tinaz said:

Excuses... Not every mother is obese, or even overweight... even when they hit middle age! Unless she has medical issues from medications being overweight or obese is a choice...period...

Well, I would say that I think we should be very careful in labelling obesity as a choice, and we need to be informed by the best available evidence, and resist answers in any one direction (IE is the cause of obesity lack of willpower versus genetic influences vs family/environmental factors), because the likely answer is that all three have an impact. And I think we should be immediately skeptical of any answer that allows us to feel better about ourselves (or feel worse about another group of people) – not that there couldn’t be some truth in that answer, but we should still treat it skeptically because we run the risk of accepting an answer based on how we prefer to see ourselves and the world rather than what the best evidence tells us.

One of the best resources we have is twin studies (particularly identical twins split at birth & raised in different homes), and most twin studies have shown that there is a substantial genetic component to weight.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...ed/3712713

Abstract

Height, weight, and body mass index (BMI) were assessed in a sample of 1974 monozygotic and 2097 dizygotic male twin pairs. Concordance rates for different degrees of overweight were twice as high for monozygotic twins as for dizygotic twins. Classic twin methods estimated a high heritability for height, weight, and BMI, both at age 20 years (.80, .78, and .77, respectively) and at a 25-year follow-up (.80, .81, and .84, respectively). Height, weight, and BMI were highly correlated across time, and a path analysis suggested that the major part of that covariation was genetic. These results are similar to those of other twin studies of these measures and suggest that human fatness is under substantial genetic control.

http://www.nature.com/ijo...9177a.html

International Journal of Obesity 34, 29-40 (January 2010) | doi:10.1038/ijo.2009.17

The genetic and environmental influences on childhood obesity: a systematic review of twin and adoption studiesGenetics of childhood obesity

K Silventoinen, B Rokholm, J Kaprio, and T I A Sørensen

Abstract

In this systematic review, we aimed to collect together all previous twin and adoption studies on childhood and adolescent obesity up to the age of 18 years. Using several sources, we identified nine twin and five adoption studies; all of these studies had used relative weight as an indicator of obesity. Except the two twin studies from the Korean population, all studies represented Caucasian populations. In a meta-analysis of these twin studies, we found that genetic factors had a strong effect on the variation of body mass index (BMI) at all ages. The common environmental factors showed a substantial effect in mid-childhood, but this effect disappeared at adolescence. Adoption studies supported the role of family environment in childhood obesity as correlations were found between adoptees and adoptive parents; however, correlations were substantially stronger between parents and their biological offspring, further supporting the importance of genetic factors. In the future, more studies implementing genetic and environmental measures into twin models are needed as they allow estimation of the proportion of total genetic variation explained by candidate genes and analyses of gene–environment interactions. More studies of genetic architecture in non-Caucasian populations, of gene–environment interactions, and of body composition and body fat distribution are needed.

http://www.ingentaconnect...5/art00008

Abstract:

Body mass index (BMI), a simple anthropometric measure, is the most frequently used measure of adiposity and has been instrumental in documenting the worldwide increase in the prevalence of obesity witnessed during the last decades. Although this increase in overweight and obesity is thought to be mainly due to environmental changes, i.e., sedentary lifestyles and high caloric diets, consistent evidence from twin studies demonstrates high heritability and the importance of genetic differences for normal variation in BMI. We analysed self-reported data on BMI from approximately 37,000 complete twin pairs (including opposite sex pairs) aged 20-29 and 30-39 from eight different twin registries participating in the GenomEUtwin project. Quantitative genetic analyses were conducted and sex differences were explored. Variation in BMI was greater for women than for men, and in both sexes was primarily explained by additive genetic variance in all countries. Sex differences in the variance components were consistently significant. Results from analyses of opposite sex pairs also showed evidence of sex-specific genetic effects suggesting there may be some differences between men and women in the genetic factors that influence variation in BMI. These results encourage the continued search for genes of importance to the body composition and the development of obesity. Furthermore, they suggest that strategies to identify predisposing genes may benefit from taking into account potential sex specific effects.

If you have the time, I’d really encourage you to watch the youtube video I posted above. Leptin resistance and the impact on people's satiety and weight is a perfect example of the impact of hormones on weight, and that's not to suggest that it's a catch-all answer, because it's not and no one claims it is. But it does show the that the variability of weight among a population that generally experiences the same environmental factors (IE continuous access to a limitless supply of food) can substantially be explained by genetics.

If anyone's interested, the Howard Hughes Medical institute has a free DVD titled ‘the Science of Fat’ available free of charge. The HHMI has a nice catalogue of science DVDs that they ship completely free to anyone in north America – no shipping charges, no cost at all, no strings. They’re fairly bare-bones affairs, but all of the lectures are interesting & worth watching.

http://www.hhmi.org/catal...ction=home

[Edited 10/5/12 4:09am]

The BMI is crap... It does not account for body types.. One should focus on the BMR... then there are no excuses... I dont care if I have 5 million fat genes, as long as I burn more than I put in I will not gain weight! And if I want to maintain, i consume equal calories..

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[Edited 10/5/12 4:34am]

tinaz said:

damosuzuki said:

Well, I would say that I think we should be very careful in labelling obesity as a choice, and we need to be informed by the best available evidence, and resist answers in any one direction (IE is the cause of obesity lack of willpower versus genetic influences vs family/environmental factors), because the likely answer is that all three have an impact. And I think we should be immediately skeptical of any answer that allows us to feel better about ourselves (or feel worse about another group of people) – not that there couldn’t be some truth in that answer, but we should still treat it skeptically because we run the risk of accepting an answer based on how we prefer to see ourselves and the world rather than what the best evidence tells us.

One of the best resources we have is twin studies (particularly identical twins split at birth & raised in different homes), and most twin studies have shown that there is a substantial genetic component to weight.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...ed/3712713

Abstract

Height, weight, and body mass index (BMI) were assessed in a sample of 1974 monozygotic and 2097 dizygotic male twin pairs. Concordance rates for different degrees of overweight were twice as high for monozygotic twins as for dizygotic twins. Classic twin methods estimated a high heritability for height, weight, and BMI, both at age 20 years (.80, .78, and .77, respectively) and at a 25-year follow-up (.80, .81, and .84, respectively). Height, weight, and BMI were highly correlated across time, and a path analysis suggested that the major part of that covariation was genetic. These results are similar to those of other twin studies of these measures and suggest that human fatness is under substantial genetic control.

http://www.nature.com/ijo...9177a.html

International Journal of Obesity 34, 29-40 (January 2010) | doi:10.1038/ijo.2009.17

The genetic and environmental influences on childhood obesity: a systematic review of twin and adoption studiesGenetics of childhood obesity

K Silventoinen, B Rokholm, J Kaprio, and T I A Sørensen

Abstract

In this systematic review, we aimed to collect together all previous twin and adoption studies on childhood and adolescent obesity up to the age of 18 years. Using several sources, we identified nine twin and five adoption studies; all of these studies had used relative weight as an indicator of obesity. Except the two twin studies from the Korean population, all studies represented Caucasian populations. In a meta-analysis of these twin studies, we found that genetic factors had a strong effect on the variation of body mass index (BMI) at all ages. The common environmental factors showed a substantial effect in mid-childhood, but this effect disappeared at adolescence. Adoption studies supported the role of family environment in childhood obesity as correlations were found between adoptees and adoptive parents; however, correlations were substantially stronger between parents and their biological offspring, further supporting the importance of genetic factors. In the future, more studies implementing genetic and environmental measures into twin models are needed as they allow estimation of the proportion of total genetic variation explained by candidate genes and analyses of gene–environment interactions. More studies of genetic architecture in non-Caucasian populations, of gene–environment interactions, and of body composition and body fat distribution are needed.

http://www.ingentaconnect...5/art00008

Abstract:

Body mass index (BMI), a simple anthropometric measure, is the most frequently used measure of adiposity and has been instrumental in documenting the worldwide increase in the prevalence of obesity witnessed during the last decades. Although this increase in overweight and obesity is thought to be mainly due to environmental changes, i.e., sedentary lifestyles and high caloric diets, consistent evidence from twin studies demonstrates high heritability and the importance of genetic differences for normal variation in BMI. We analysed self-reported data on BMI from approximately 37,000 complete twin pairs (including opposite sex pairs) aged 20-29 and 30-39 from eight different twin registries participating in the GenomEUtwin project. Quantitative genetic analyses were conducted and sex differences were explored. Variation in BMI was greater for women than for men, and in both sexes was primarily explained by additive genetic variance in all countries. Sex differences in the variance components were consistently significant. Results from analyses of opposite sex pairs also showed evidence of sex-specific genetic effects suggesting there may be some differences between men and women in the genetic factors that influence variation in BMI. These results encourage the continued search for genes of importance to the body composition and the development of obesity. Furthermore, they suggest that strategies to identify predisposing genes may benefit from taking into account potential sex specific effects.

If you have the time, I’d really encourage you to watch the youtube video I posted above. Leptin resistance and the impact on people's satiety and weight is a perfect example of the impact of hormones on weight, and that's not to suggest that it's a catch-all answer, because it's not and no one claims it is. But it does show the that the variability of weight among a population that generally experiences the same environmental factors (IE continuous access to a limitless supply of food) can substantially be explained by genetics.

If anyone's interested, the Howard Hughes Medical institute has a free DVD titled ‘the Science of Fat’ available free of charge. The HHMI has a nice catalogue of science DVDs that they ship completely free to anyone in north America – no shipping charges, no cost at all, no strings. They’re fairly bare-bones affairs, but all of the lectures are interesting & worth watching.

http://www.hhmi.org/catal...ction=home

[Edited 10/5/12 4:09am]

The BMI is crap... It does not account for body types.. One should focus on the BMR... then there are no excuses... I dont care if I have 5 million fat genes, as long as I burn more than I put in I will not gain weight!

Like I said several times earlier, the problem is not what type of genes we have...it's what the majority of us are putting in our mouths and the fact that we are not active enough.

If we in general just took better care of ourselves, those of us with these "fat genes" would not be having the struggles we have with the extra weight we carry as a result of our poor choices.

That's it, really.

JustErin said:

tinaz said:

The BMI is crap... It does not account for body types.. One should focus on the BMR... then there are no excuses... I dont care if I have 5 million fat genes, as long as I burn more than I put in I will not gain weight!

Like I said several times earlier, the problem is not what type of genes we have...it's what the majority of us are putting in our mouths and the fact that we are not active enough.

If we in general just took better care of ourselves, those of us with these "fat genes" would not be having the struggles we have with the extra weight we carry as a result of our poor choices.

That's it, really.

End. of. story.

tinaz said:

damosuzuki said:

Well, I would say that I think we should be very careful in labelling obesity as a choice, and we need to be informed by the best available evidence, and resist answers in any one direction (IE is the cause of obesity lack of willpower versus genetic influences vs family/environmental factors), because the likely answer is that all three have an impact. And I think we should be immediately skeptical of any answer that allows us to feel better about ourselves (or feel worse about another group of people) – not that there couldn’t be some truth in that answer, but we should still treat it skeptically because we run the risk of accepting an answer based on how we prefer to see ourselves and the world rather than what the best evidence tells us.

One of the best resources we have is twin studies (particularly identical twins split at birth & raised in different homes), and most twin studies have shown that there is a substantial genetic component to weight.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...ed/3712713

Abstract

Height, weight, and body mass index (BMI) were assessed in a sample of 1974 monozygotic and 2097 dizygotic male twin pairs. Concordance rates for different degrees of overweight were twice as high for monozygotic twins as for dizygotic twins. Classic twin methods estimated a high heritability for height, weight, and BMI, both at age 20 years (.80, .78, and .77, respectively) and at a 25-year follow-up (.80, .81, and .84, respectively). Height, weight, and BMI were highly correlated across time, and a path analysis suggested that the major part of that covariation was genetic. These results are similar to those of other twin studies of these measures and suggest that human fatness is under substantial genetic control.

http://www.nature.com/ijo...9177a.html

International Journal of Obesity 34, 29-40 (January 2010) | doi:10.1038/ijo.2009.17

The genetic and environmental influences on childhood obesity: a systematic review of twin and adoption studiesGenetics of childhood obesity

K Silventoinen, B Rokholm, J Kaprio, and T I A Sørensen

Abstract

In this systematic review, we aimed to collect together all previous twin and adoption studies on childhood and adolescent obesity up to the age of 18 years. Using several sources, we identified nine twin and five adoption studies; all of these studies had used relative weight as an indicator of obesity. Except the two twin studies from the Korean population, all studies represented Caucasian populations. In a meta-analysis of these twin studies, we found that genetic factors had a strong effect on the variation of body mass index (BMI) at all ages. The common environmental factors showed a substantial effect in mid-childhood, but this effect disappeared at adolescence. Adoption studies supported the role of family environment in childhood obesity as correlations were found between adoptees and adoptive parents; however, correlations were substantially stronger between parents and their biological offspring, further supporting the importance of genetic factors. In the future, more studies implementing genetic and environmental measures into twin models are needed as they allow estimation of the proportion of total genetic variation explained by candidate genes and analyses of gene–environment interactions. More studies of genetic architecture in non-Caucasian populations, of gene–environment interactions, and of body composition and body fat distribution are needed.

http://www.ingentaconnect...5/art00008

Abstract:

Body mass index (BMI), a simple anthropometric measure, is the most frequently used measure of adiposity and has been instrumental in documenting the worldwide increase in the prevalence of obesity witnessed during the last decades. Although this increase in overweight and obesity is thought to be mainly due to environmental changes, i.e., sedentary lifestyles and high caloric diets, consistent evidence from twin studies demonstrates high heritability and the importance of genetic differences for normal variation in BMI. We analysed self-reported data on BMI from approximately 37,000 complete twin pairs (including opposite sex pairs) aged 20-29 and 30-39 from eight different twin registries participating in the GenomEUtwin project. Quantitative genetic analyses were conducted and sex differences were explored. Variation in BMI was greater for women than for men, and in both sexes was primarily explained by additive genetic variance in all countries. Sex differences in the variance components were consistently significant. Results from analyses of opposite sex pairs also showed evidence of sex-specific genetic effects suggesting there may be some differences between men and women in the genetic factors that influence variation in BMI. These results encourage the continued search for genes of importance to the body composition and the development of obesity. Furthermore, they suggest that strategies to identify predisposing genes may benefit from taking into account potential sex specific effects.

If you have the time, I’d really encourage you to watch the youtube video I posted above. Leptin resistance and the impact on people's satiety and weight is a perfect example of the impact of hormones on weight, and that's not to suggest that it's a catch-all answer, because it's not and no one claims it is. But it does show the that the variability of weight among a population that generally experiences the same environmental factors (IE continuous access to a limitless supply of food) can substantially be explained by genetics.

If anyone's interested, the Howard Hughes Medical institute has a free DVD titled ‘the Science of Fat’ available free of charge. The HHMI has a nice catalogue of science DVDs that they ship completely free to anyone in north America – no shipping charges, no cost at all, no strings. They’re fairly bare-bones affairs, but all of the lectures are interesting & worth watching.

http://www.hhmi.org/catal...ction=home

[Edited 10/5/12 4:09am]

The BMI is crap... It does not account for body types.. One should focus on the BMR... then there are no excuses... I dont care if I have 5 million fat genes, as long as I burn more than I put in I will not gain weight!

I think BMI is very useful in evaluating large groups, which is why is used in studies like the ones I've cited above, but certainly shouldn't be used to evaluate people individually.

I don't have too much to add to what I've posted already, but I would like to repeat that the video I linked to above is very much worth watching, and that I think we should be cautious labelling obesity a choice because there's pretty compelling evidence showing that many people on the right side of the bell curve experience satiety, the sensation of fullness differently than others. If you have two people in the same environment, with the same diet choices available to them, and they experience fullness differently then I don't think it's fair to label their heavier weight a choice. By all means, encourage fitness and diet planning. But if the overweight acting in the same way a person of 'normal' weight does - eating until full, same level of activity - and they are at a heavier weight due to their genetic characteristics, then I don't think it's useful to use words like choice.

damosuzuki said:

tinaz said:

The BMI is crap... It does not account for body types.. One should focus on the BMR... then there are no excuses... I dont care if I have 5 million fat genes, as long as I burn more than I put in I will not gain weight!

I think BMI is very useful in evaluating large groups, which is why is used in studies like the ones I've cited above, but certainly shouldn't be used to evaluate people individually.

I don't have too much to add to what I've posted already, but I would like to repeat that the video I linked to above is very much worth watching, and that I think we should be cautious labelling obesity a choice because there's pretty compelling evidence showing that many people on the right side of the bell curve experience satiety, the sensation of fullness differently than others. If you have two people in the same environment, with the same diet choices available to them, and they experience fullness differently then I don't think it's fair to label their heavier weight a choice. By all means, encourage fitness and diet planning. But if the overweight acting in the same way a person of 'normal' weight does - eating until full, same level of activity - and they are at a heavier weight due to their genetic characteristics, then I don't think it's useful to use words like choice.

We are going to have to agree to disagree... I eat to live, not live to eat... Just because I still feel a little hungry doesnt mean I have to give into it.. THAT is a choice... just because I am still hungry doesnt mean I can eat until I am stuffed... Mind over matter... Most people eat way to fast and arent in tune with their bodies to really "get" the signal when they are full... Make the right choices and it will pay off..

Still goes back to the BMR... That accounts for ALL body types because it doesnt "type" your body... It uses what you are and tells you how much to put in..

It seems to be all about the other person being a celebrity of one kind and the other being on some sort of a control trip. I'm not sure if this scenario can be compared to anything that could happen to people that don't appear in the media. Imagine how absurd it would be to receive a letter in the mail that tells you to lose weight.

But yeah, I've actually been on a diet recently because someone called me fat. A bodybuilder type of a guy in a club was harassing a couple of Asian women by mocking their accent and when I told him to quit it he called me fat. Not that I was really insulted by that myself as I was aware that I'd have to go on a diet sooner or later (plus, I got my kicks out of the situation by telling him that I've been practicing martial arts for twenty years and being able to kick his ass if he doesn't shut up regardless of my weight). However, I do think these type of "bullies" can be sometimes of use. They can function as reminders on matters that are hard for us to accept and none of the people that are close to us want to really speak to us about. In this case, I just thought "what the hell" and started dieting. So, I don't know, I should probably thank that guy for what he did.

Dieting for me is fairly easy. I've never been that worried if I've been gaining weight as I know I can get rid of it quite easily. However, I'm perfectly aware that it isn't so easy to many others and I see no reason to ridicule them for it. Our eating habits tend to form very early on and if we get used to the comforting feeling that overeating provides it gets a whole lot trickier.

tinaz said:

JustErin said:

Like I said several times earlier, the problem is not what type of genes we have...it's what the majority of us are putting in our mouths and the fact that we are not active enough.

If we in general just took better care of ourselves, those of us with these "fat genes" would not be having the struggles we have with the extra weight we carry as a result of our poor choices.

That's it, really.

End. of. story.

^this

you know one thing im really tired of is people who think all overweight people are lazy and dont bathe...i for one yes i am overweight i weight 190 have diabeties and im active as in work alot of crazy hours on 12 hour shifts plus the overtime... so what i dont workout....but guess what i walk the length of a full sized warehouse each time i work and the distance will amaze u.. and no i dont go out of breath walking at all....and i bath each day meaning i can reach between my ass cheeks and wash my asscrack with ease....and yes i can see my twat aka hooha to clean it as well... my eating habits arent the best but i try and no i dont eat five plates of food tbh one is plenty if less is enough for me... so yes im fat overweight some may even concider 190lbs obese but u know what im able to care and take care of my daughter since she was born and that has been going on 17 years on Oct 12th...some blame it on genetics or whatever only one i have to blame is ME for the meds im on an d the state of health im in.... i DONT eat cheeseburgers all the time... i love veggies .. hell i even buy sugar free fudge pops for the freezer..no i dont eat this in one sitting for those who love to assume shit...i have one 2-3 times a week... i eat fruit ... love apples.... but dam some foods will add the pounds on that i had to cut out.... like potatoes( i see this as a ball of sugar sinc e it make my blood sugar skyrocket) some carrots if i eat too much.. rice casue of starch... its frustrating but i tryand portion it all out so i taste real food and not plain boring foods...

anyway call me what u will but in the end ill say go fuck urself cause u dont know me or how i live anyway.. i also tell my daughter if they dont wanna take the time to know u as a person there idiots

toots said:

Stymie said:

toots said:

you know one thing im really tired of is people who think all overweight people are lazy and dont bathe...i for one yes i am overweight i weight 190 have diabeties and im active as in work alot of crazy hours on 12 hour shifts plus the overtime... so what i dont workout....but guess what i walk the length of a full sized warehouse each time i work and the distance will amaze u.. and no i dont go out of breath walking at all....and i bath each day meaning i can reach between my ass cheeks and wash my asscrack with ease....and yes i can see my twat aka hooha to clean it as well... my eating habits arent the best but i try and no i dont eat five plates of food tbh one is plenty if less is enough for me... so yes im fat overweight some may even concider 190lbs obese but u know what im able to care and take care of my daughter since she was born and that has been going on 17 years on Oct 12th...some blame it on genetics or whatever only one i have to blame is ME for the meds im on an d the state of health im in.... i DONT eat cheeseburgers all the time... i love veggies .. hell i even buy sugar free fudge pops for the freezer..no i dont eat this in one sitting for those who love to assume shit...i have one 2-3 times a week... i eat fruit ... love apples.... but dam some foods will add the pounds on that i had to cut out.... like potatoes( i see this as a ball of sugar sinc e it make my blood sugar skyrocket) some carrots if i eat too much.. rice casue of starch... its frustrating but i tryand portion it all out so i taste real food and not plain boring foods...

anyway call me what u will but in the end ill say go fuck urself cause u dont know me or how i live anyway.. i also tell my daughter if they dont wanna take the time to know u as a person there idiots

Girl I am glad you don't give a fuck what people say. I don't give a fuck either unless the person knows me personally and even then I tend to be on the not giving a fuck side when that person has their own unhealthy habits.

The part about me washing my ass cheeks and ass crack did it huh? At least u know i took a shower before i walked into the thread

[Edited 10/5/12 12:13pm]

toots said:

Stymie said:

toots said:

The part about me washing my ass cheeks and ass crack did it huh?

yes.

Hmm, I'm watching the video now. And the guy who responded to her was a dick.

Stymie said:

toots said:

you know one thing im really tired of is people who think all overweight people are lazy and dont bathe...i for one yes i am overweight i weight 190 have diabeties and im active as in work alot of crazy hours on 12 hour shifts plus the overtime... so what i dont workout....but guess what i walk the length of a full sized warehouse each time i work and the distance will amaze u.. and no i dont go out of breath walking at all....and i bath each day meaning i can reach between my ass cheeks and wash my asscrack with ease....and yes i can see my twat aka hooha to clean it as well... my eating habits arent the best but i try and no i dont eat five plates of food tbh one is plenty if less is enough for me... so yes im fat overweight some may even concider 190lbs obese but u know what im able to care and take care of my daughter since she was born and that has been going on 17 years on Oct 12th...some blame it on genetics or whatever only one i have to blame is ME for the meds im on an d the state of health im in.... i DONT eat cheeseburgers all the time... i love veggies .. hell i even buy sugar free fudge pops for the freezer..no i dont eat this in one sitting for those who love to assume shit...i have one 2-3 times a week... i eat fruit ... love apples.... but dam some foods will add the pounds on that i had to cut out.... like potatoes( i see this as a ball of sugar sinc e it make my blood sugar skyrocket) some carrots if i eat too much.. rice casue of starch... its frustrating but i tryand portion it all out so i taste real food and not plain boring foods...

anyway call me what u will but in the end ill say go fuck urself cause u dont know me or how i live anyway.. i also tell my daughter if they dont wanna take the time to know u as a person there idiots

Girl I am glad you don't give a fuck what people say. I don't give a fuck either unless the person knows me personally and even then I tend to be on the not giving a fuck side when that person has their own unhealthy habits.

I too am pretty much in the club of mind your f**king business and get off my d*** with what you think is an appropriate size for me. Worry about your own life and what's going into your own mouth. I can't stand a judgemental, nosey bastard sticking their nose where it doesn't belong- like onto my plate for instance, and this is coming from a chick who eats a whole foods diet and bikes nearly every day around town (weather permitting, that is ) .

Ottensen said:

Stymie said:

toots said: Girl I am glad you don't give a fuck what people say. I don't give a fuck either unless the person knows me personally and even then I tend to be on the not giving a fuck side when that person has their own unhealthy habits.

I too am pretty much in the club of mind your f**king business and get off my d*** with what you think is an appropriate size for me. Worry about your own life and what's going into your own mouth. I can't stand a judgemental, nosey bastard sticking their nose where it doesn't belong- like onto my plate for instance, and this is coming from a chick who eats a whole foods diet and bikes nearly every day around town (weather permitting, that is ) .

Like I said earlier and Tinaz also pointed out...

People will talk crap about you if you are skinny or if you are fat. People just like to talk about other people, so I stopped giving a LONG time ago.

paintedlady said:

Ottensen said:

I too am pretty much in the club of mind your f**king business and get off my d*** with what you think is an appropriate size for me. Worry about your own life and what's going into your own mouth. I can't stand a judgemental, nosey bastard sticking their nose where it doesn't belong- like onto my plate for instance, and this is coming from a chick who eats a whole foods diet and bikes nearly every day around town (weather permitting, that is ) .

Like I said earlier and Tinaz also pointed out...

People will talk crap about you if you are skinny or if you are fat. People just like to talk about other people, so I stopped giving a LONG time ago.

Perfect attitude. Everyone should be like this. Fuck what people think.

What an overreaction.

novabrkr said:

But yeah, I've actually been on a diet recently because someone called me fat. A bodybuilder type of a guy in a club was harassing a couple of Asian women by mocking their accent and when I told him to quit it he called me fat. Not that I was really insulted by that myself as I was aware that I'd have to go on a diet sooner or later (plus, I got my kicks out of the situation by telling him that I've been practicing martial arts for twenty years and being able to kick his ass if he doesn't shut up regardless of my weight). However, I do think these type of "bullies" can be sometimes of use. They can function as reminders on matters that are hard for us to accept and none of the people that are close to us want to really speak to us about. In this case, I just thought "what the hell" and started dieting. So, I don't know, I should probably thank that guy for what he did.

I agree with this. I have a relative who can grate on my nerves sometimes because it feels he's on a mission to keep track of my weight gain/loss, but I also know it comes from an innocent place because I grew up a chubby kid and only slimmed down later into my teens, so I guess it's only natural for him to be picking up on my weight fluctuation (both positively and negatively), and if I'm being honest, I can really let myself go when it comes to food sometimes, and even worse, not realise I'd be putting on weight because my clothes would somehow still strangely fit, so it can be good having him around as some kind of a weight sensor, especially as I don't deal with scales

but then again, I know the guy and I know it's not coming from a mean place as opposed to that anchor having a stranger making assumptions about her lifestyle which I understand can be pretty upsetting. personally though I'd have responded to his e-mail privately, no need to give him the public attention he may have been seeking, and If he was honest in his intentions then he'd have still gotten his answer.

wait, her brother is ron livingston? now I may wanna have to send her an e-mail myself

paintedlady said:

Ottensen said:

I too am pretty much in the club of mind your f**king business and get off my d*** with what you think is an appropriate size for me. Worry about your own life and what's going into your own mouth. I can't stand a judgemental, nosey bastard sticking their nose where it doesn't belong- like onto my plate for instance, and this is coming from a chick who eats a whole foods diet and bikes nearly every day around town (weather permitting, that is ) .

Like I said earlier and Tinaz also pointed out...

People will talk crap about you if you are skinny or if you are fat. People just like to talk about other people, so I stopped giving a LONG time ago.

She did right. If the motherfucker doesn't want to watch her, he can easily turn the channel. But he went so far as to send an email to her to get her attention. He's not concerned with her health, he's concerned with being an asshole and hoping he'll piss her off. He wanted her attention and he got it and but didn't give his ass the response he wanted. She did exactly right in her response by asking him if he thinks she doesn't already know she's fat which makes him end up looking like a fucking idiot. Hell, she knows she's fat, she's got a mirror, and she doesn't need anyone else to tell her she is because she already knows it.

Her only responsibility to the public is to report the news and newscasters come in all shapes and sizes. We have many fat newscasters in my area. Most of them have been on the air since the 1970s and weren't fat then but over the years, they have gotten fat. But they are local "personalities" and the public loves them. Even some of the newer ones hired lately have been fat. We don't live in a perfect world where everybody looks like they're starving and people want to see likeable people over the air rather than some model with no personality whatsoever simply "reading" the news.

paintedlady said:

tinaz said:

Excuses... Not every mother is obese, or even overweight... even when they hit middle age! Unless she has medical issues from medications being overweight or obese is a choice...period... Nothing wrong with that AT ALL! As long as you are happy with yourself, but i get tired of people "explaining" it away and not taking responsibility by placing blame on something else... That is the first step to getting healthy is admitting responsibility.... I have been overweight, I "chose" to do something about it, and continue to work on it everyday... Self control is hard!

just as in the body hair thread, everyone has an opinion on what they find beautiful and whatever they choose is OK! noone elses business!

I agree with Stymie, he can go fuck himself for his assumption...

Heck I'm fat because I eat to much and hate working out... I'm lazy and I know it!

I should have more shame... but once I blew up I stopped caring since I got dogged either way.

Now... being fat doesn't help at all when your boyfriend actually likes you that way, go figure!

Hell, eating is pleasurable and working out is not only painful, but also boring as hell. Plus, when you finally get old enough and start getting wrinkles, a good looking body ain't gonna mean shit. No, you shouldn't have no shame because life's too short so enjoy it while you can. If somebody else doesn't like it, well, fuck 'em.

Trying to shame someone into losing weight is rude and can be dangerous. This is not an example of bullying though, it's just straight up assholery. She can choose to delete the email. Calling this bullying takes away from actual real life bullying, where the the victim can not get away from it. Had he stood outside of her work and "moo'ed" at her as she walked by, told her to start eating carrots while she's walking to her car...now that would be bullying.

His side of the story is that he was overweight since childhood and then he changed his life. Good for you! Now fuck off.

JuliePurplehead said:

Trying to shame someone into losing weight is rude and can be dangerous. This is not an example of bullying though, it's just straight up assholery. She can choose to delete the email. Calling this bullying takes away from actual real life bullying, where the the victim can not get away from it. Had he stood outside of her work and "moo'ed" at her as she walked by, told her to start eating carrots while she's walking to her car...now that would be bullying.

His side of the story is that he was overweight since childhood and then he changed his life. Good for you! Now fuck off.

Ooooh I see now.......one of those type people who used to be overweight and now want to be an asshole. Those are the worst kind.

Back in 2001, I starved the hell out of myself and lost lots of weight and kept all of it off for years and during that time, I never said one bad word to anyone overweight because not only is it damn hard getting it off and miserable getting it off, but it will eventually come back. And if you've been an asshole to people while you're thin and then gain it back, the same people you talked about need to talk about your ass. I've done seen it too many times with Oprah and Luther going up and down and when it started coming back on me, I've been the same way.....up and down....hell, I'm about sick of worrying about it and gonna get me a big ole cake. But the main reason I never said one mean word to them, was their weight was none of my fucking business.

vainandy said:

JuliePurplehead said:

Trying to shame someone into losing weight is rude and can be dangerous. This is not an example of bullying though, it's just straight up assholery. She can choose to delete the email. Calling this bullying takes away from actual real life bullying, where the the victim can not get away from it. Had he stood outside of her work and "moo'ed" at her as she walked by, told her to start eating carrots while she's walking to her car...now that would be bullying.

His side of the story is that he was overweight since childhood and then he changed his life. Good for you! Now fuck off.

their weight was none of my fucking business.

Exactly! I hate it when friends that recently lost weight think it's their fucking job to tell me how to do it. What works for someone may not work for someone else. I'm not sure what it is about us humans that makes us want to get on our high horses when we accomplish something. Those that get on the high horse are usually the ones that fall the hardest though.

If he knows nothing about her diet or exercise (which aren’t the only things taken into consideration when considering a “healthy lifestyle”) than he cannot make the assumption that just because she is fat, she is also living and promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. Nor have I ever heard this woman promote an unhealthy lifestyle to ANYONE, male, female, or non-gender.

He is very carful, in his e-mail, to target young girls. This could be because the person he is criticizing is a woman, but I highly doubt that was his meaning. It is no secret that women and young girls are under far more scrutiny concerning weight than men or young boys.

He also mentions that she isn’t a “suitable example” for the young, a suitable example for what? She isn’t a model, dietitian, gym teacher etc. What it looks like is that she is a professional woman who articulates herself well and seems well educated- fat or not. You don’t need to be “fit” to positively motivate young women to be any of those things.

What is in question here is not whether or not she is fat, but if fat people can serve as positive role models, if young girls should look toward fat woman as examples of (anything?) I know a number of fat women with successful, healthy, well-rounded daughters and plenty of “fit” women who have destroyed their daughter’s health, both mentally and physically, by concentrating on their daughter’s weight. I am not generalizing, but as we know, we only need one example to prove a theory false.

Do I think he is a bully? Yes. Why? Because he is claiming that being fat makes a person, especially a woman, unfit to serve as a positive role model, or figure, in the community. He is a bully because he believes that fat people cannot be leading a healthy lifestyle. He is a bully because he targets young girls, who have it hard enough without having to worry about their weight.