How about Iron Mike?

JoeTyler said:

RodeoSchro said:

Rocky Balboa kicked the shit out of Hulk Hogan, so there's that.

Thinking about it, we missed a perfect opportunity to answer this question in the "Rocky" series. Rocky fought everyone but a martial arts guy.

incorrect: it was a draw, and Rocky cheated

if Jet Li nearly killed Martin Riggs (he cheated), then you can bet he would have killed Rocky as well

I didn't say Rocky won, I just said he kicked the shit out of Hulk Hogan!

Martin Riggs? He's no boxer! Wait - who is Martin Riggs? Is that the Mel Gibson character in the "Lethal Weapon" movies?

He put his money where his mouth is and went to jail because of it. If he didn't do anything else, that alone deserves my admiration.

JoeTyler said:

this thread is pure beer & pretzels stuff, all high-five jumps, muscled guys, sweat and blood

5 stars thread

uh ladies? you can join the thread as well

The girls are all crying their eyes out on some chick flick thread.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

incorrect: it was a draw, and Rocky cheated

if Jet Li nearly killed Martin Riggs (he cheated), then you can bet he would have killed Rocky as well

That was a real bizarre scene by the way... if it had been a serious fight, Sly wouldn't have stood a chance and everyone knows this!

the first part of the fight was actually realistic: Hogan kicked the hell out of Balboa in multiple ways before throwing him off the ring; it's the second part of the fight that was silly, lol

this makes me think: could a modern professional wrestler defeat Ali?

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

incorrect: it was a draw, and Rocky cheated

if Jet Li nearly killed Martin Riggs (he cheated), then you can bet he would have killed Rocky as well

That was a real bizarre scene by the way... if it had been a serious fight, Sly wouldn't have stood a chance and everyone knows this!

Are you saying that was rigged?!? What's next - you're going to tell me wrestling is fake????

Harlepolis said:

He put his money where his mouth is and went to jail because of it. If he didn't do anything else, that alone deserves my admiration.

Agreed!

RodeoSchro said:

JoeTyler said:

incorrect: it was a draw, and Rocky cheated

if Jet Li nearly killed Martin Riggs (he cheated), then you can bet he would have killed Rocky as well

I didn't say Rocky won, I just said he kicked the shit out of Hulk Hogan!

Martin Riggs? He's no boxer! Wait - who is Martin Riggs? Is that the Mel Gibson character in the "Lethal Weapon" movies?

lol yeah, the only cop which ever received the nickname of "lethal weapon"

funkycat00 said:

How about Iron Mike?

In a way? Yes. Because most of the guys he fought including the guy he first took the championship from - Trevor Berbick - were all journeyman type of boxers. He had a nasty punch though and early in his career his boxing skills were as impressive as Ali's but overall, yeah I can see why he can be seen as overrated. As pointed out, Ali did face a lot of talented fighters in his heyday - Frazier, Foreman, Liston, etc. But it's a question as to how his fights with all these boxers were. It's understandable though. Ali was the face of boxing between 1964 and 1978 and Tyson replaced Sugar Ray Leonard as the face between 1986 and 1990. So both of these fighters were overrated. We forget Ali's first fights before Liston were mainly journeymen too until Archie Moore fought him in 1962. He faced some journeyman when he returned from his exile in 1970 until he fought Frazier. But I can see why Tyson's overrated.

JoeTyler said:

RodeoSchro said:

I didn't say Rocky won, I just said he kicked the shit out of Hulk Hogan!

Martin Riggs? He's no boxer! Wait - who is Martin Riggs? Is that the Mel Gibson character in the "Lethal Weapon" movies?

lol yeah, the only cop which ever received the nickname of "lethal weapon"

Have you ever seen this?

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

That was a real bizarre scene by the way... if it had been a serious fight, Sly wouldn't have stood a chance and everyone knows this!

the first part of the fight was actually realistic: Hogan kicked the hell out of Balboa in multiple ways before throwing him off the ring; it's the second part of the fight that was silly, lol

this makes me think: could a modern professional wrestler defeat Ali?

In the 1960s, I don't know but in the 1970s? Yes.

I found the name of the wrestler dude Ali fought: Antonio Inoki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...onio_Inoki

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RodeoSchro said:

Timmy84 said:

That was a real bizarre scene by the way... if it had been a serious fight, Sly wouldn't have stood a chance and everyone knows this!

Are you saying that was rigged?!? What's next - you're going to tell me wrestling is fake????

Only elements of WWE.

I've lost all track of this, what the fuck was this thread all about again? What's my name, where am I? I've got right into all that gymnastics.

^

RodeoSchro said:

JoeTyler said:

lol yeah, the only cop which ever received the nickname of "lethal weapon"

Have you ever seen this?

good, but why is Murtaugh white during the first part of the video? lol

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Fonkyman said:

I've lost all track of this, what the fuck was this thread all about again? What's my name, where am I? I've got right into all that gymnastics.

HOLY MOTHER OF...!

I just LOVE some aspects of the 00s and post-00s culture

back in the day you just couldn't see something like this

JoeTyler said:

RodeoSchro said:

Have you ever seen this?

good, but why is Murtaugh white during the first part of the video? lol

[Edited 10/1/12 12:15pm]

If I remember right, they switched actors during the middle for some hilarious reason.

Timmy84 said:

Again, this is not to knock the great man but I just felt I had to do this topic...

It's been burning in my head for a while.

Like a kid I was always told about how Ali was "the greatest" without really explaining why, mainly just going on his own words and everything.

From the fights I saw, I'll say this: at his heyday he had great stamina, he had a wicked punch and when his blows connected, it was indeed enough to "shake up the world" as he would say as an arrogant 22-year-old who just knocked out Sonny Liston when he still went by Cassius Clay, Jr.

My thing is from even the fights in his heyday, some of the fighters who fought him were either ill (George Foreman had health problems the night of their fight) or affected by present or past injuries (Cleveland Williams' bullet wounds; Joe Frazier being partially blind in one eye; Floyd Patterson breaking his back a few days before the fight) or Ali did something in the ring to mess them up (thumbing Ernie Terrell's eye so he couldn't see; holding on to his opponent's ropes or even the referee being sneaky to help Ali).

It kinda takes away from Ali a little. Also, for as much as he catered to the media to joke and play around, when the cameras weren't around he taunted his opponents with anything (Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier and George Foreman recounted some tactics Ali would throw that wasn't caught on camera).

Plus Ali got knocked down by Chuck Wepner and rumors had it that the referee was more hesitant to call Ali out then when Wepner was knocked out. Plus he almost gave up in his final fight with Joe Frazier telling Angelo Dundee and Freddie Pacheco to cut his gloves before Eddie Futch told Joe not to go on (despite Joe's obviously angry refusal not to).

But in your view, what makes Ali overrated or what makes Ali earn the credentials he get? I'm not saying he's overrated (obviously the media overrates a lot of legends) but I just wanted to see what your opinions are because it seems like people are all unanimous that Ali is "the greatest". But what's it as a fighter or as what he did off the ring? Because to me he seemed more flawed offstage than on but what y'all think?

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In the ring Ali fought and beat all the greats during the toughest era in heavyweight boxing, the 60's-70's, and is the only one of those greats to do it too. And he did it with a style and as these young bucks say now, a swag, that wasn't seen then and hasn't been seen since.

Ali was and still is the FACE of boxing, I know that's not saying much to alot of people who don't follow the sport like some of us do, but the man's been reitred for 30+ years now and is still it's biggest ICON, if that don't make him the greatest of his sport I don't know what else does.

^ Yeah when it comes to modern day boxing he's their face, that I understood... his fame helped to make him that face. I guess it's a generation gap. Mine's grew up on Tyson and 'em...

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Timmy84 said:

^ Yeah when it comes to modern day boxing he's their face, that I understood... his fame helped to make him that face. I guess it's a generation gap. Mine's grew up on Tyson and 'em...

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Timmy I'm probably not that much older then you, 33, so when I was a little kid in the 80's Tyson was the man so trust me I dig where you're coming from.

Abdul said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Yeah when it comes to modern day boxing he's their face, that I understood... his fame helped to make him that face. I guess it's a generation gap. Mine's grew up on Tyson and 'em...

[Edited 10/1/12 12:37pm]

Timmy I'm probably not that much older then you, 33, so when I was a little kid in the 80's Tyson was the man so trust me I dig where you're coming from.

Ah...lol yeah I'm 28. But yeah you know what I was saying.

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:

^^ And y'all been in the ring?

Yes 4 many years......that is why I know what I'm talking about.

Done it once before..

Not easy keeping your arms up for 3 minutes

He was very charismatic, and it took him far.

HuMpThAnG said:

Graycap23 said:

Yes 4 many years......that is why I know what I'm talking about.

Done it once before..

Not easy keeping your arms up for 3 minutes

Boxing is no joke. That one hell of a way 2 earn a living.

Timmy84 said:

funkycat00 said:

How about Iron Mike?

In a way? Yes. Because most of the guys he fought including the guy he first took the championship from - Trevor Berbick - were all journeyman type of boxers. He had a nasty punch though and early in his career his boxing skills were as impressive as Ali's but overall, yeah I can see why he can be seen as overrated. As pointed out, Ali did face a lot of talented fighters in his heyday - Frazier, Foreman, Liston, etc. But it's a question as to how his fights with all these boxers were. It's understandable though. Ali was the face of boxing between 1964 and 1978 and Tyson replaced Sugar Ray Leonard as the face between 1986 and 1990. So both of these fighters were overrated. We forget Ali's first fights before Liston were mainly journeymen too until Archie Moore fought him in 1962. He faced some journeyman when he returned from his exile in 1970 until he fought Frazier. But I can see why Tyson's overrated.

Yeah, he has a mean left hook

Timmy84 said:

Mike, like Ali before him, was all talk.

RodeoSchro said:

I'll bet you Manny Pacquio is as fast as any martial arts guy.

Not a bad shout at all.

RodeoSchro said:

Rocky Balboa kicked the shit out of Hulk Hogan, so there's that.

Ahh, now you're talking about real World Class fights.

Timmy84 said:

his boxing skills were as impressive as Ali's

No chance. When did ya see Mike 'dancing in and out on the jab'?

If we're talking seriously now about mixing different styles and trying to compare fighters there's only one true great in the game. No messin about with this fella. Forget your Marciano, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Joe Brown, Jack Dempsey, etc. etc...

Nobody but nobody ever fucked with the Phoo.

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Graycap23 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Done it once before..

Not easy keeping your arms up for 3 minutes

Boxing is no joke. That one hell of a way 2 earn a living.

'Greatest American Athlete'?......hmmmm.....I'd have to put Jim Brown and Wilt Chamberlain at the top of the list.

As for great heavyweights, gotta give props to Jack Johnson. To do what he did, at that horrible period of U.S. history, was incredible.

uPtoWnNY said:

'Greatest American Athlete'?......hmmmm.....I'd have to put Jim Brown and Wilt Chamberlain at the top of the list.

As for great heavyweights, gotta give props to Jack Johnson. To do what he did, at that horrible period of U.S. history, was incredible.

Fonkyman said:

I've lost all track of this, what the fuck was this thread all about again? What's my name, where am I? I've got right into all that gymnastics.