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Thread started 03/04/03 7:03am

LaVisHh

The Fine Balance of Honesty and Humility

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Being open and honest, while maintaining humility seems to be a fine art.

It's the very thing I strive for. Yet, it seems this is one of the toughest things to do - albiet the thing most of us consider of highest quality and value.

Do you think the reason it's so difficult to do is that they can easily contradict one another?


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Reply #1 posted 03/04/03 7:11am

jbchavez

It is important to be honest and tactful at the same time.
People do not appreciate honesty if it hurts.
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Reply #2 posted 03/04/03 7:13am

Handclapsfinga
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Reply #3 posted 03/04/03 7:18am

sag10

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To be "honestly" open and honest can cause much pain...especially if the others in your life cannot handle truth...

You know who has the knack for humility and honesty is ScarLett...I love the way she is so honest with me, and yet so humble...and it is never done with an intent to hurt me...I guess that is why I love her so much...
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Reply #4 posted 03/04/03 8:18am

stepinrazor

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u are talking about me again

if u keep this up

u gonna be giving me a big head.

lol
..
[This message was edited Tue Mar 4 8:33:51 PST 2003 by stepinrazor]
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Reply #5 posted 03/04/03 8:29am

LaVisHh

sag10 said:

To be "honestly" open and honest can cause much pain...especially if the others in your life cannot handle truth...

You know who has the knack for humility and honesty is ScarLett...I love the way she is so honest with me, and yet so humble...and it is never done with an intent to hurt me...I guess that is why I love her so much...


Then kudos to ScarLett! biggrin

Never enough posts about the good folks. wink
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Reply #6 posted 03/04/03 8:32am

LaVisHh

jbchavez said:

It is important to be honest and tactful at the same time.
People do not appreciate honesty if it hurts.


Most definately.

Appreciation = Honesty + Tact
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Reply #7 posted 03/04/03 8:34am

LaVisHh

stepinrazor said:

..
u are talking about me again

if u keep this up

u gonna be giving me a big head.

wink
..


Are you saying there needs to be a The StepInRazor reality show on TV? A whole bunch of ladies competing for the perfect man?

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Reply #8 posted 03/04/03 8:42am

00769BAD

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LaVisHh said:

:
Being open and honest, while maintaining humility seems to be a fine art.

It's the very thing I strive for. Yet, it seems this is one of the toughest things to do - albiet the thing most of us consider of highest quality and value.

Do you think the reason it's so difficult to do is that they can easily contradict one another?


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Oh thank you...
i really do try, it's all in the upbringing.
and i don't do it to be noticed, but
when someone like you does, it's all worth it.redface
I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
YOU EITHER WANNA BE ME, OR BE JUST LIKE ME

evilking
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Reply #9 posted 03/04/03 8:43am

wellbeyond

sag10 said:

To be "honestly" open and honest can cause much pain...especially if the others in your life cannot handle truth...

You know who has the knack for humility and honesty is ScarLett...I love the way she is so honest with me, and yet so humble...and it is never done with an intent to hurt me...I guess that is why I love her so much...

Scarlett who??... :O



Heh..lol...jk..(and I agree with you, Sag...)
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Reply #10 posted 03/04/03 8:43am

LaVisHh

00769BAD said:

LaVisHh said:

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Being open and honest, while maintaining humility seems to be a fine art.

It's the very thing I strive for. Yet, it seems this is one of the toughest things to do - albiet the thing most of us consider of highest quality and value.

Do you think the reason it's so difficult to do is that they can easily contradict one another?


.

Oh thank you...
i really do try, it's all in the upbringing.
and i don't do it to be noticed, but
when someone like you does, it's all worth it.redface


You another one gonna have your own reality show? mr.green
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Reply #11 posted 03/04/03 8:53am

stepinrazor

LaVisHh said:

stepinrazor said:

..
u are talking about me again

if u keep this up

u gonna be giving me a big head.

wink
..


Are you saying there needs to be a The StepInRazor reality show on TV? A whole bunch of ladies competing for the perfect man?

biggrin



omfg

nooo

that sounds tooo much like my real life

running

and hiding in another corner

boxed

lol
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Reply #12 posted 03/04/03 8:55am

LaVisHh

stepinrazor said:

LaVisHh said:

stepinrazor said:

..
u are talking about me again

if u keep this up

u gonna be giving me a big head.

wink
..


Are you saying there needs to be a The StepInRazor reality show on TV? A whole bunch of ladies competing for the perfect man?

biggrin



omfg

nooo

that sounds tooo much like my real life

running

and hiding in another corner

boxed

lol
..


You don't say... biggrin
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Reply #13 posted 03/04/03 8:56am

stepinrazor

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okay okay

i admit it

my joke wasn't that funny.

how was that

honest enough fo ya

shrug
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Reply #14 posted 03/04/03 8:58am

LaVisHh

stepinrazor said:

..
okay okay

i admit it

my joke wasn't that funny.

how was that

honest enough fo ya

shrug
..


biggrin

I thought it was perfect, actually.
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Reply #15 posted 03/04/03 9:01am

00769BAD

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LaVisHh said:

00769BAD said:

LaVisHh said:

:
Being open and honest, while maintaining humility seems to be a fine art.

It's the very thing I strive for. Yet, it seems this is one of the toughest things to do - albiet the thing most of us consider of highest quality and value.

Do you think the reason it's so difficult to do is that they can easily contradict one another?


.

Oh thank you...
i really do try, it's all in the upbringing.
and i don't do it to be noticed, but
when someone like you does, it's all worth it.redface


You another one gonna have your own reality show? mr.green

No...
i feel that my humility is it's own reward innocent
I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
YOU EITHER WANNA BE ME, OR BE JUST LIKE ME

evilking
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Reply #16 posted 03/04/03 9:02am

LaVisHh

00769BAD said:

No...
i feel that my humility is it's own reward innocent


lol

Ok, BAD... I hear ya wink
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Reply #17 posted 03/04/03 9:11am

teller

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LaVisHh said:

:
Being open and honest, while maintaining humility seems to be a fine art.

It's the very thing I strive for. Yet, it seems this is one of the toughest things to do - albiet the thing most of us consider of highest quality and value.

Do you think the reason it's so difficult to do is that they can easily contradict one another?

Honesty is the more fundamental virtue.

Humility is the art of recognizing one's limitations...but limitations are contextual. There's no need for me to be humble around kindergarten children, for I have super powers in their eyes; I need only nurture them the best way I know how. So far, no conflict with honesty.

Put me my peers, however, and humility is necessary--they know some things I do not and I can learn from them. But at the same time, I can criticize honestly. Still no conflict.

Further, when I am criticized, or if my critcism is questioned, I must then be honest in my listening, leaving open the possibility that I might be wrong--once again, humility and honesty work to service each other.

Accuracy when judging oneself and others is the goal; we seek the truth. Humility keeps us from over-estimating ourselves; confidence keeps us from under-estimating. Honesty itself where the balance comes from.
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #18 posted 03/04/03 9:27am

stepinrazor

LaVisHh said:

stepinrazor said:

..
okay okay

i admit it

my joke wasn't that funny.

how was that

honest enough fo ya

shrug
..


biggrin

I thought it was perfect, actually.


biggrin


balance is the key

as long as one is truthful to one self

and is not blinded by one's own ego or one's own self denial

then their humility will shine

through their honesty.
..

it's not arrogance if one recognises and understands

the truth about their self
..

it is destructive not to allow yourself to recognise to truth about self
and one has to question why one would feel compelled to suppress that which they are.
..

even in that suppression

one can still catch glimmers and snatches of the truth

from those off hand comments

and quick retorts, the truth is hard to hide

but can only be seen by the rare

..
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Reply #19 posted 03/04/03 9:59am

LaVisHh

stepinrazor said:

LaVisHh said:

stepinrazor said:

..
okay okay

i admit it

my joke wasn't that funny.

how was that

honest enough fo ya

shrug
..


biggrin

I thought it was perfect, actually.


biggrin


balance is the key

as long as one is truthful to one self

and is not blinded by one's own ego or one's own self denial

then their humility will shine

through their honesty.
..

it's not arrogance if one recognises and understands

the truth about their self
..

it is destructive not to allow yourself to recognise to truth about self
and one has to question why one would feel compelled to suppress that which they are.
..

even in that suppression

one can still catch glimmers and snatches of the truth

from those off hand comments

and quick retorts, the truth is hard to hide

but can only be seen by the rare

..


No wonder you got them around you like bees to honey... you talking all poetic n stuff. lol
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Reply #20 posted 03/04/03 10:50am

Moonbeam

I don't believe that they are contradictory. In order to be honest, I personally have to acknowledge the fact that my opinions are simply opinions, not necessarily "right" or "wrong." However, sometimes it is necessary to mention something to a friend that he or she may not be noticing, with full knowledge that perhaps my input may be skewed by my own personal perception.
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Reply #21 posted 03/04/03 10:56am

TipN4U

We are born thru a tunnel that is resonnating pain...LABOR and BIRTH PANGS for a woman is alot of PAIN...

Since we are instilled with the sounds of pain...we must take the hard road allways becuz it is seeded n2 us...

The hardest part is the easiest to realise...there is an easy way to getting VICTORY of balance thru honesty and humility...they are the following...

Jesus Christ said it best "B still and know..."
Another man man said it quite nice "if a man screams u must learn to become silent (graffiti bridge).

Many avatars and guides through history have accomplished the truth by BECOMING STILL by remaining silent when FEAR and ANGER and WAR approaches. U came from somewhere other than here...so this is not the only JOURNEY U have traveled...in knowing this...REMEMBER perhaps the place U come from is PEACE N SILENCE...

Humility most never achieve it til they are on the time of passing ... thats easy to do too.

When U came thru the tunnel being born U had no clothes, you had no material items whatsoever, U were butt naked and beautiful...we just have to remember we will become butt naked and beautiful again. (TRUST ME ON THIS ONE) it's a promise. ALL U have to do is realise who U are when U are looking at U. AND WHO U ARE is love...U came here with love U leave with love, U are LOVE ETERNAL...other than that is just a BONUS PLAN for the moment...so Humility is amazing becuz we all have one THING IN COMMON (we are...love) and nothing can take that away...knowing this and being honest with yourself about it...WILL GIVE U BALANCE honesty and humility...THERE IS ONE MAJOR KEY of all KEYS...there is an amazing father...who lights the path for us all...I dont care what name U come up with...there is LOVE.

With love
SingMia
rose reading there is love, there is love...here is love, over there is love...every where is LOVE, I am love...U are love, we all love...JUST LOVE.
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Reply #22 posted 03/04/03 11:03am

Moonbeam

TipN4U said:

We are born thru a tunnel that is resonnating pain...LABOR and BIRTH PANGS for a woman is alot of PAIN...

Since we are instilled with the sounds of pain...we must take the hard road allways becuz it is seeded n2 us...

The hardest part is the easiest to realise...there is an easy way to getting VICTORY of balance thru honesty and humility...they are the following...

Jesus Christ said it best "B still and know..."
Another man man said it quite nice "if a man screams u must learn to become silent (graffiti bridge).

Many avatars and guides through history have accomplished the truth by BECOMING STILL by remaining silent when FEAR and ANGER and WAR approaches. U came from somewhere other than here...so this is not the only JOURNEY U have traveled...in knowing this...REMEMBER perhaps the place U come from is PEACE N SILENCE...

Humility most never achieve it til they are on the time of passing ... thats easy to do too.

When U came thru the tunnel being born U had no clothes, you had no material items whatsoever, U were butt naked and beautiful...we just have to remember we will become butt naked and beautiful again. (TRUST ME ON THIS ONE) it's a promise. ALL U have to do is realise who U are when U are looking at U. AND WHO U ARE is love...U came here with love U leave with love, U are LOVE ETERNAL...other than that is just a BONUS PLAN for the moment...so Humility is amazing becuz we all have one THING IN COMMON (we are...love) and nothing can take that away...knowing this and being honest with yourself about it...WILL GIVE U BALANCE honesty and humility...THERE IS ONE MAJOR KEY of all KEYS...there is an amazing father...who lights the path for us all...I dont care what name U come up with...there is LOVE.

With love
SingMia
rose reading there is love, there is love...here is love, over there is love...every where is LOVE, I am love...U are love, we all love...JUST LOVE.


Wow. Thanks for your input. Insightful as always!
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Reply #23 posted 03/04/03 11:06am

Handclapsfinga
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marinatin on tip's message...right on the nose.

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Reply #24 posted 03/04/03 11:33am

RedZRyder

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TipN4U said:

We are born thru a tunnel that is resonnating pain...LABOR and BIRTH PANGS for a woman is alot of PAIN...

Since we are instilled with the sounds of pain...we must take the hard road allways becuz it is seeded n2 us...



Hmmm... I never thought of it like that before.

Interesting.

Your ex-large cup of insight runneth over. Thanks! peace
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Reply #25 posted 03/04/03 12:15pm

REDFEATHERS

stepinrazor said:

LaVisHh said:

stepinrazor said:

..
okay okay

i admit it

my joke wasn't that funny.

how was that

honest enough fo ya

shrug
..


biggrin

I thought it was perfect, actually.


biggrin


balance is the key

as long as one is truthful to one self

and is not blinded by one's own ego or one's own self denial

then their humility will shine

through their honesty.
..

it's not arrogance if one recognises and understands

the truth about their self
..

it is destructive not to allow yourself to recognise to truth about self
and one has to question why one would feel compelled to suppress that which they are.
..

even in that suppression

one can still catch glimmers and snatches of the truth

from those off hand comments

and quick retorts, the truth is hard to hide

but can only be seen by the rare

..



nod So true, so true...
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Reply #26 posted 03/04/03 12:38pm

KingBAD

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LaVisHh said:

00769BAD said:

No...
i feel that my humility is it's own reward innocent


lol

Ok, BAD... I hear ya wink



IT'S RUFF BEING ME!!!
i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
STOP ME IF YOU HEARD THIS BEFORE...
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Reply #27 posted 03/04/03 10:52pm

Muse2noPharaoh

Moonbeam said:

TipN4U said:

We are born thru a tunnel that is resonnating pain...LABOR and BIRTH PANGS for a woman is alot of PAIN...

Since we are instilled with the sounds of pain...we must take the hard road allways becuz it is seeded n2 us...

The hardest part is the easiest to realise...there is an easy way to getting VICTORY of balance thru honesty and humility...they are the following...

Jesus Christ said it best "B still and know..."
Another man man said it quite nice "if a man screams u must learn to become silent (graffiti bridge).

Many avatars and guides through history have accomplished the truth by BECOMING STILL by remaining silent when FEAR and ANGER and WAR approaches. U came from somewhere other than here...so this is not the only JOURNEY U have traveled...in knowing this...REMEMBER perhaps the place U come from is PEACE N SILENCE...

Humility most never achieve it til they are on the time of passing ... thats easy to do too.

When U came thru the tunnel being born U had no clothes, you had no material items whatsoever, U were butt naked and beautiful...we just have to remember we will become butt naked and beautiful again. (TRUST ME ON THIS ONE) it's a promise. ALL U have to do is realise who U are when U are looking at U. AND WHO U ARE is love...U came here with love U leave with love, U are LOVE ETERNAL...other than that is just a BONUS PLAN for the moment...so Humility is amazing becuz we all have one THING IN COMMON (we are...love) and nothing can take that away...knowing this and being honest with yourself about it...WILL GIVE U BALANCE honesty and humility...THERE IS ONE MAJOR KEY of all KEYS...there is an amazing father...who lights the path for us all...I dont care what name U come up with...there is LOVE.

With love
SingMia
rose reading there is love, there is love...here is love, over there is love...every where is LOVE, I am love...U are love, we all love...JUST LOVE.


Wow. Thanks for your input. Insightful as always!



Co-sign
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Reply #28 posted 03/04/03 10:56pm

Muse2noPharaoh

stepinrazor said:

LaVisHh said:

stepinrazor said:

..
okay okay

i admit it

my joke wasn't that funny.

how was that

honest enough fo ya

shrug
..


biggrin

I thought it was perfect, actually.


biggrin


balance is the key

as long as one is truthful to one self

and is not blinded by one's own ego or one's own self denial

then their humility will shine

through their honesty.
..

it's not arrogance if one recognises and understands

the truth about their self
..

it is destructive not to allow yourself to recognise to truth about self
and one has to question why one would feel compelled to suppress that which they are.
..

even in that suppression

one can still catch glimmers and snatches of the truth

from those off hand comments

and quick retorts, the truth is hard to hide

but can only be seen by the rare

..



ooo Lav you just took a bodyslam! REVEALED! smile

Amazing how if one looks a little closer a little deeper ... they will find astounding beauty backed by true compassion!
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Reply #29 posted 03/04/03 11:04pm

mrdespues

Both come naturally to me because I am fucking awesome.
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