RodeoSchro said:

Dewrede said:

^

is it the government that makes those ?

they shouldn't try to intefere with how people want to live their lives

How do you feel knowing that the smoke you exhale has possibly killed someone? Or is right now possibly killing someone? Maybe even someone you love?

How does that make you feel?

don't try and lay your guilt trip on me , it won't work

second hand smoke being deadly is a blatant LIE

RodeoSchro said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah Rodeo, how do you know that to be true? Because some commercial tells you that?

Google is your friend.

yes and there's plenty of sites that debunk your nonsense as well

Dewrede said:

RodeoSchro said:

Google is your friend.

yes and there's plenty of sites that debunk your nonsense as well

@ "Google is your friend". Yeah Dew, that was a good one. Like I always say, Rodeo, if you believe that shit, go for what you know.

Meanwhile this non-smoker is gonna not worry about someone smoking since it hasn't, well, killed me yet.

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Dewrede said:

RodeoSchro said:

How do you feel knowing that the smoke you exhale has possibly killed someone? Or is right now possibly killing someone? Maybe even someone you love?

How does that make you feel?

don't try and lay your guilt trip on me , it won't work

second hand smoke being deadly is a blatant LIE

You said yourself that you know smoking is unhealthy. Therefore, you agree that the chemicals you are putting into your body via cigarettes are unhealthy. Do you think that when those very same chemicals are exhaled into the air that they somehow magically become cleansed?

You've just never thought this through but now that I've shown you what you're doing, and you have tacitly agreed with me through your previous admission about smoking being unhealthy, let me ask you again:

How do you feel knowing that the smoke you exhale has possibly killed someone? Or is right now possibly killing someone? Maybe even someone you love?

How does that make you feel?

Dewrede said:

If you're an avid anti smoker it seems some uncontrollable nasty ass habit takes hold of you ;

You constantly nag and whine and basically turn into a pitiful sour miserable cunt that no one sane like being around

because all you do is fucking nag and whine about people that enjoy smoking

That's what the world sees when they see an avid anti smoker

RodeoSchro said:

Dewrede said:

don't try and lay your guilt trip on me , it won't work

second hand smoke being deadly is a blatant LIE

You said yourself that you know smoking is unhealthy. Therefore, you agree that the chemicals you are putting into your body via cigarettes are unhealthy. Do you think that when those very same chemicals are exhaled into the air that they somehow magically become cleansed?

You've just never thought this through but now that I've shown you what you're doing, and you have tacitly agreed with me through your previous admission about smoking being unhealthy, let me ask you again:

How do you feel knowing that the smoke you exhale has possibly killed someone? Or is right now possibly killing someone? Maybe even someone you love?

How does that make you feel?

I doubt anyone really thinks inhaling secondhand smoke is healthy. And for someone who worked for years in bars or anywhere totally filled with smoke, I could see it might have killed them eventually. But those places generally don't allow smoking anymore

But to catch a whiff of someone's cigarette on the sidewalk certainly can't be any worse than breathing in car exhaust fumes from the streets & freeways for hours every day. How do you feel knowing that someone behind you is breathing in your car exhaust?

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NDRU said:

RodeoSchro said:

You said yourself that you know smoking is unhealthy. Therefore, you agree that the chemicals you are putting into your body via cigarettes are unhealthy. Do you think that when those very same chemicals are exhaled into the air that they somehow magically become cleansed?

You've just never thought this through but now that I've shown you what you're doing, and you have tacitly agreed with me through your previous admission about smoking being unhealthy, let me ask you again:

How do you feel knowing that the smoke you exhale has possibly killed someone? Or is right now possibly killing someone? Maybe even someone you love?

How does that make you feel?

I doubt anyone really thinks inhaling secondhand smoke is healthy. And for someone who worked for years in bars or anywhere totally filled with smoke, I could see it might have killed them eventually. But those places generally don't allow smoking anymore

But to catch a whiff of someone's cigarette on the sidewalk certainly can't be any worse than breathing in car exhaust fumes from the streets & freeways for hours every day. How do you feel knowing that someone behind you is breathing in your car exhaust?

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600,000 people a year die from second-hand smoke. I don't know how many of them worked in bars, but I doubt all of them did.

I can't answer all your questions but I can say this: When I'm around someone who is smoking, many times the smell of their cigarette remains in my nostrils hours after they're gone. Every time I take a breath, I can smell tobacco.

That means that some form of chemicals from the tobacco smoke linger in my nostrils for a period of time (sometimes even overnight). I can't imagine that crap being in my nose for several hours is doing me any good. And that's just from being around one cigarette.

Anyone that says second-hand smoke doesn't kill people is fooling themselves. The only question is, how much exposure does it take to kill someone?

My personal belief is that we err on the side of caution. I think your life is worth that much, and I hope you think mine is too.

Dewrede said:

If you're an avid anti smoker anti-meat vegetarian or vegan it seems some uncontrollable nasty ass habit takes hold of you ;

You constantly nag and whine and basically turn into a pitiful sour miserable cunt that no one sane likes being around

because all you do is fucking nag and whine about people that enjoy smoking eating meat.

That's what the world sees when they see an avid anti smoker anti-meat eater.

Fixed that for you. You're welcome.

^

what are you on about ?

If you're going to smoke, you're going to smoke. Unless you've been living on another planet since the 1970s, every single smoker already knows the dangers of smoking.

vainandy said:

If you're going to smoke, you're going to smoke. Unless you've been living on another planet since the 1970s, every single smoker already knows the dangers of smoking.

I'm 41 years old, and from an early age knew that smoking was bad REGARDLESS of how appealing the multi-million-dollar ad campaigns were, REGARDLESS of how many "cool kids" were doing it in High School, and REGARDLESS how "relaxing" it was alleged to be after the parties I went to in my 20s.

I have no need to smoke. I dislike the smell. I dislike the feeling of smoke in my lungs. I recognize my addictive personality and don't need that monkey on my back.

My ex, on the other hand, decided that as part of her "lifestyle change" has taken up Parliaments. Everytime I drive to drop off the kids, I see the red light from her taking a smoke in the darkness of the backyard.

There are no guarantees in life. But 10, 15 years from now, if she's coughing up a lung with emphysema (which she witnessed her OWN FATHER suffer) there is NO ONE, and NOTHING - no ads, no peer pressure, no multinational corporate greed - to blame other than HERSELF.

And if 40 years of non-smoking & personally witnessing the effects on her father didn't stop her...a damned picture on a wrapper sure ain't gonna do SHIT.

PurpleJedi said:

vainandy said:

If you're going to smoke, you're going to smoke. Unless you've been living on another planet since the 1970s, every single smoker already knows the dangers of smoking.

I'm 41 years old, and from an early age knew that smoking was bad REGARDLESS of how appealing the multi-million-dollar ad campaigns were, REGARDLESS of how many "cool kids" were doing it in High School, and REGARDLESS how "relaxing" it was alleged to be after the parties I went to in my 20s.

I have no need to smoke. I dislike the smell. I dislike the feeling of smoke in my lungs. I recognize my addictive personality and don't need that monkey on my back.

My ex, on the other hand, decided that as part of her "lifestyle change" has taken up Parliaments. Everytime I drive to drop off the kids, I see the red light from her taking a smoke in the darkness of the backyard.

There are no guarantees in life. But 10, 15 years from now, if she's coughing up a lung with emphysema (which she witnessed her OWN FATHER suffer) there is NO ONE, and NOTHING - no ads, no peer pressure, no multinational corporate greed - to blame other than HERSELF.

And if 40 years of non-smoking & personally witnessing the effects on her father didn't stop her...a damned picture on a wrapper sure ain't gonna do SHIT.

Agreed 100%. I don't think these warnings do anything, especially with kids. All kids are invincible, and nothing bad will ever happen to them, and if they get cancer 50 years from now they'll have a cure for it by then so who cares?

That's the way kids think. Obviously they are 100% wrong (although I hope there IS a cure for cancer), but that's the way they think.

So I think we tell them the truth - they'll smell like shit and no non-smoker is ever going to want to kiss them, be around them or hire them. Also, we think they are idiots.

In addition to all the other things.

When I get enough money, I'm going to put up billboards that say stuff like:

"If you smoke, you smell like crap.

Sorry, but someone had to tell you"

When I get enough money, I'm probably just gonna retire.
Fuck everybody else's problems.

Visionnaire said:

When I get enough money, I'm probably just gonna retire.
Fuck everybody else's problems.

Stymie said:

Put a camera in the home of someone dying of lung cancer. Watching my grandfather die almost thirty years ago is the reason I don't smoke.

Taking care of my dying step-aunt (lung cancer) who weighed 98 lb while she kept puffing away on her deathbed just boggled my mind. Never smoked. Never will. Ignorant... Anything that is that addictive should be illegal.

Efan said:

Efan said:

Dewrede said:

If you're an avid anti smoker anti-meat vegetarian or vegan it seems some uncontrollable nasty ass habit takes hold of you ;

You constantly nag and whine and basically turn into a pitiful sour miserable cunt that no one sane likes being around

because all you do is fucking nag and whine about people that enjoy smoking eating meat.

That's what the world sees when they see an avid anti smoker anti-meat eater.

Fixed that for you. You're welcome.

lawd, I love you prince.org. Don't ever change!

PurpleJedi said:

vainandy said:

If you're going to smoke, you're going to smoke. Unless you've been living on another planet since the 1970s, every single smoker already knows the dangers of smoking.

I'm 41 years old, and from an early age knew that smoking was bad REGARDLESS of how appealing the multi-million-dollar ad campaigns were, REGARDLESS of how many "cool kids" were doing it in High School, and REGARDLESS how "relaxing" it was alleged to be after the parties I went to in my 20s.

I have no need to smoke. I dislike the smell. I dislike the feeling of smoke in my lungs. I recognize my addictive personality and don't need that monkey on my back.

My ex, on the other hand, decided that as part of her "lifestyle change" has taken up Parliaments. Everytime I drive to drop off the kids, I see the red light from her taking a smoke in the darkness of the backyard.

There are no guarantees in life. But 10, 15 years from now, if she's coughing up a lung with emphysema (which she witnessed her OWN FATHER suffer) there is NO ONE, and NOTHING - no ads, no peer pressure, no multinational corporate greed - to blame other than HERSELF.

And if 40 years of non-smoking & personally witnessing the effects on her father didn't stop her...a damned picture on a wrapper sure ain't gonna do SHIT.

Parliaments? Damn, she went waaaaaaaay back choosing that brand.

I'll be 45 next month and I started smoking in my senior year of high school when I was 17 and have been smoking ever since. It was 1985 and cigarette warnings had been all over the place for years. Hell, I don't remember a time in my lifetime when there weren't cigarette warnings. I started because it was the cool badass thing to do. In those days, if something was considered "wrong", well hell, it was right up my alley. I saw dying as something that "old folks" did so the warnings didn't affect me any, nor anyone else. I started due to peer pressure and became addicted very quickly. Hell, I think that was why most smokers started smoking anyway, is due to peer pressure when they are teens.

But for someone to start smoking at age 40 is just damn rediculous. People that age have already lived life and have minds of their own by then and aren't easily persuaded into things they previously weren't into. Plus, I've noticed that times have changed a lot since then and smoking is no longer considered the cool badass image by nearly as much of this younger generation as it was when I was growing up. I don't encourage people picking up smoking by any means but the hate against it these days has become so extreme that it has become stuck-up and stuffy like. I find humor in it sometimes. I know once I was at work and there was this group of people that were using our tables for an outdoor function. They were taking their sweet little time about leaving and I was ready for them to get the hell out of there so our staff could bring the tables back inside and I could go home. Well, I knew how to get rid of them. I fired up a cigarette and it didn't take but a few seconds before I heard someone make that fake cough and that whole damn grass cleared out like a stampede of cattle. Hey, they couldn't say shit because they were outdoors (the place where they ran the smokers to).

As for smoking in general, people are more informed of the dangers than they used to be and a lot more of the younger generation is not smoking than we were because the image is no longer considered "cool". If I had it to do all over again, I would never have started smoking. Lord knows, I'd have a lot more money if I didn't. But I tell ya, when folks go to the extreme about banning it, I mean, you can't even smoke in a damn nightclub of all places, or making that fake cough if they pass someone outdoors on the sidewalk, then it makes me want to fire up in front of some of them just to piss them off. There are addictions and people know that but from what I've seen, there are people that just hate the sight of it because I've seen nonsmokers bitch about the electronic smokeless cigarettes. Now, that' just fucking rediculous and bitching about the electronic ones means that they're not worried about their own heath but are more worried about getting off on the power of trying to control someone else's life. I have no problem with folks worried about their health and I respect that and go outside and smoke when they are around but I be damned if I'm going to tolerate control freaks.

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Dewrede said:

If you're avidly anti meat it seems some uncontrollable nasty ass habit takes hold of you ;

You constantly nag and whine and basically turn into a pitiful sour miserable cunt that no one sane like being around

because all you do is fucking nag and whine about people who enjoy eating meat

That's what the world sees when they see someone who's avidly anti meat

Fixed it for you.

Oops! I see someone else got there first. (I didn't see Efan's post before I wrote this.)

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