http://www.youtube.com/wa...e=youtu.be just wow. hope you watch this yound 11 year old kid tell it like it is. i am vegetarian, and i am in transition to organic.

i think if every single person switched right now to an organic plant based diet (within reason of course) we could absolutely turn this health crisis around

It's also products we stick in our mouths, on our skin, and perfume our air with.

There are so many alternatives to the toxins we use out there, making these changes can only benefit.

Baking soda with dashes of your favorite essential oil replaces toxic carpet cleaners for example (if you must live with carpet).

Perfumes and colonges don't just rest on your skin, they soak into your blood.

SLS and Flouride (in toothpaste) are not good for you.

It goes on and on, but the kid is mostly correct. There are a lot of factors, but in general, if you walk past the produce section of your grocery store, you're no longer in the 'food' section in my opinion.

Do your own research, do your own research with the material available from both sides and then decide for yourself. Each side of the argument is full of bullshit, choose wisely.

imago said:

It's also products we stick in our mouths, on our skin, and perfume our air with.

There are so many alternatives to the toxins we use out there, making these changes can only benefit.

Baking soda with dashes of your favorite essential oil replaces toxic carpet cleaners for example (if you must live with carpet).

Perfumes and colonges don't just rest on your skin, they soak into your blood.

SLS and Flouride (in toothpaste) are not good for you.

It goes on and on, but the kid is mostly correct. There are a lot of factors, but in general, if you walk past the produce section of your grocery store, you're no longer in the 'food' section in my opinion.

Oh, and when I say alternatives, I mean alternatives you can make--not alternatives you can buy.

For example, vinegar, warm water and a little bit of your favorite soap (hopefully homemade or natural soap), cleans the vast majority of surfaces in your home. To mask the smell of hte vinegar (which goes away anyway), you can use your favorite essential oil. A mixture of tee tree oil which dissinfects and eucylyptis which smells good and softens the tea tree oil smell, is a great way to mask the smell of vinegar.

Anyways, I do strongly believe what you injest is never benign--it either harms or helps.

The kid has some points but genetic engineered food is simply a blessing to all who arent paranoid or has some strange self righteous god theory going on. I know some find it creepy but its like a baby getting used to idea of water making you prune, its based on lack of knowledge, the benefits of engineering the food have massive. Don't get me wrong nothing is wrong with the organic movement or prefering home grown, but nothing said in the video was new to me or even remotely shocking. Billions of people eat the food that was used in "daangerous kemikalz" and processing and outside of select incidents where someone screwed up nothing happens to these people. These chemicals are dangerous but its not like they just spray it and send, the microscopic amounts visible on the final product shouldnt worry you unless you got AIDs or something cause believe it or not your body has built in protection.

Speaking of paranoia, I'm much more watchful of old farmer Joe who isnt aware of the new parasites infecting his crops. Poor guy cant inspect them all, and harmful insects usaully come in unseen. Pesticides are a lot more attractive to me than having Tarantula eggs (or adults!) in the bananna crates. The real problem with processing should be the unfortunate ingredient choice of unhealthy sugars for snacks, which is very valid but very unrelated to the subject at hand.

Hate to seem arguementative or an asshole but there are two sides to every arguement and this one is too easy to pick apart even though I lack reasons to put in effort to do it properly. This kid is a kid and I cant pick on him, but all hes got is the idea that pure = good, science/mass production = bad and likely to send you to the hospital. But who knows, maybe 2012 is real and will be caused by the corporations turning on the chemicals that have gathered in our systems over the years

If you want real scary food research start here http://www.youtube.com/wa...LKU-ksEl98 might render viewer afraid fo grocery store for about a week and even comes with horror movie music.

- Warning video is very disturbing until it gets to the nightmare salmon then theatrics and conspiracy start overtaking a good part of the focus.

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imago said:

imago said:

It's also products we stick in our mouths, on our skin, and perfume our air with.

There are so many alternatives to the toxins we use out there, making these changes can only benefit.

Baking soda with dashes of your favorite essential oil replaces toxic carpet cleaners for example (if you must live with carpet).

Perfumes and colonges don't just rest on your skin, they soak into your blood.

SLS and Flouride (in toothpaste) are not good for you.

It goes on and on, but the kid is mostly correct. There are a lot of factors, but in general, if you walk past the produce section of your grocery store, you're no longer in the 'food' section in my opinion.

Oh, and when I say alternatives, I mean alternatives you can make--not alternatives you can buy.

For example, vinegar, warm water and a little bit of your favorite soap (hopefully homemade or natural soap), cleans the vast majority of surfaces in your home. To mask the smell of hte vinegar (which goes away anyway), you can use your favorite essential oil. A mixture of tee tree oil which dissinfects and eucylyptis which smells good and softens the tea tree oil smell, is a great way to mask the smell of vinegar.

Anyways, I do strongly believe what you injest is never benign--it either harms or helps.

ManlyMoose said:

The kid has some points but genetic engineered food is simply a blessing to all who arent paranoid or has some strange self righteous god theory going on. I know some find it creepy but its like a baby getting used to idea of water making you prune, its based on lack of knowledge, the benefits of engineering the food have massive. Don't get me wrong nothing is wrong with the organic movement or prefering home grown, but nothing said in the video was new to me or even remotely shocking. Billions of people eat the food that was used in "daangerous kemikalz" and processing and outside of select incidents where someone screwed up nothing happens to these people. These chemicals are dangerous but its not like they just spray it and send, the microscopic amounts visible on the final product shouldnt worry you unless you got AIDs or something cause believe it or not your body has built in protection.

Speaking of paranoia, I'm much more watchful of old farmer Joe who isnt aware of the new parasites infecting his crops. Poor guy cant inspect them all, and harmful insects usaully come in unseen. Pesticides are a lot more attractive to me than having Tarantula eggs (or adults!) in the bananna crates. The real problem with processing should be the unfortunate ingredient choice of unhealthy sugars for snacks, which is very valid but very unrelated to the subject at hand.

Hate to seem arguementative or an asshole but there are two sides to every arguement and this one is too easy to pick apart even though I lack reasons to put in effort to do it properly. This kid is a kid and I cant pick on him, but all hes got is the idea that pure = good, science/mass production = bad and likely to send you to the hospital. But who knows, maybe 2012 is real and will be caused by the corporations turning on the chemicals that have gathered in our systems over the years

If you want real scary food research start here http://www.youtube.com/wa...LKU-ksEl98 might render viewer afraid fo grocery store for about a week and even comes with horror movie music.

- Warning video is very disturbing until it gets to the nightmare salmon then theatrics and conspiracy start overtaking a good part of the focus.

Thank you. I see friends blasting GMO crops all the damn time and I want to say to them (for example), "How many kids in poor countries have gone blind because you enviroweenies are blocking the use of golden rice? Do you even know what golden rice is? No, you don't. You're a bunch of 'anything anyone can make money off of is bad' Luddites."

And don't get me started on the level of indoctrination this kid has been subjected to for him to be spouting this bullshit at age 11.

^ It seems its you who have been indoctrinated by the pro GM lobby...they always use it as an excuse that it's a solution to world hunger but they could end it now if they wanted, it's not due to lack of food, it's due to lack of distribution. They haven't even started using that 'golden rice' yet it's just an empty promise.

Perhaps you should research the hundreds of Indian farmers who have committed suicide since using GM as they cannot afford to re-buy the seeds every year, plus the poor neighbouring farmers in India and Mexico whos crops have been ruined due to plant mutations.

GM has never been thoroughly or properly tested, to me its like a ticking time-bomb...the infamous George Bush senior (another paragon of Republican intelligence) was responsible for deregulating it so it went into the food chain without proper testing....in fact the initial GM modification was due to be resistant from the side effects from Roundup, ( to make them 'Roundup ready') so instead of modifying the crops to not need fertilizer they made it so they could survive with copious amounts of those chemicals on....which is a bizarre way of doing it, imagine what those chemicals have done to consumers.....

Since then the big multintionals have tried to create their own seeds and tried to patent them as well as inserting 'terminator genes' which is unnatural and forces farmers to be beholden to these multinationals for years ahead. With all this untested stuff going on the market, now they are wondering why plants and weeds are getting resistant to it and some even think it may be responsible for decline of bees.

Before you knee jerk reply, please watch this documentary 'The World According to Monsanto', it references pretty much all I've mentioned above, be prepared to be shocked:

http://video.google.com/v...4318912106

It will make you really reconsider supporting this form of corporate control over world food.

I think it needs thorough research and testing in a very safe area before this should ever be or have been introduced to the public, even less the food chain but as ever lobbyists and greedy corporations got their hold over politicians....

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imago said:

SLS and Flouride (in toothpaste) are not good for you.

I recently discovered this was causing me bad canker sores. I also began to wonder about what it was doing to my skin, considering it's in shampoos and soaps

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ It seems its you who have been indoctrinated by the pro GM lobby...they always use it as an excuse that it's a solution to world hunger but they could end it now if they wanted, it's not due to lack of food, it's due to lack of distribution. They haven't even started using that 'golden rice' yet it's just an empty promise.

Perhaps you should research the hundreds of Indian farmers who have committed suicide since using GM as they cannot afford to re-buy the seeds every year, plus the poor neighbouring farmers in India and Mexico whos crops have been ruined due to plant mutations.

GM has never been thoroughly or properly tested, to me its like a ticking time-bomb...the infamous George Bush senior (another paragon of Republican intelligence) was responsible for deregulating it so it went into the food chain without proper testing....in fact the initial GM modification was due to be resistant from the side effects from Roundup, ( to make them 'Roundup ready') so instead of modifying the crops to not need fertilizer they made it so they could survive with copious amounts of those chemicals on....which is a bizarre way of doing it, imagine what those chemicals have done to consumers.....

Since then the big multintionals have tried to create their own seeds and tried to patent them as well as inserting 'terminator genes' which is unnatural and forces farmers to be beholden to these multinationals for years ahead. With all this untested stuff going on the market, now they are wondering why plants and weeds are getting resistant to it and some even think it may be responsible for decline of bees.

Before you knee jerk reply, please watch this documentary 'The World According to Monsanto', it references pretty much all I've mentioned above, be prepared to be shocked:

http://video.google.com/v...4318912106

It will make you really reconsider supporting this form of corporate control over world food.

I think it needs thorough research and testing in a very safe area before this should ever be or have been introduced to the public, even less the food chain but as ever lobbyists and greedy corporations got their hold over politicians....

Do your own research, bub. They haven't started using it because its use has been blocked by anti-GMO forces - not because it isn't ready to be planted.

If the best proponent for your argument is an 11-year-old, I'd say your side needs more work.

he's very good, but honestly if jamie oliver couldn't get the message across to americans, this precicious little bugger isn't going to, gawd it's not rocket science.

& sod paying the farmer big bucks, just grow your own

GM processes are basically a more efficient means of achieving the recombination of genes that has been done through selective breeding or through the process of natural selection that produced all of us. Among the many reviews done, the National Academy of Sciences in the US and the Genetically Modified Science Review Panel concluded that adding genes to food product poses no more threat than conventional breeding. They concede there are risks, of course, and make recommendations to minimize the risk. Here are links to the reviews I found online.

http://www.nap.edu/openbo...mp;page=R1

http://image.guardian.co....1-full.pdf

Review the products before marketing, regulate the industry by all means – but there are risks in every new technology, and the benefits and costs need to be weighed. GM crops optimally will require fewer inputs – fewer chemicals, less water – and produce more output, and those are the real world benefits that the poorest among us need the most. Excessive caution hampers advancement, and losing the benefit we can gain from new technologies is its own risk. Evaluate the product, weigh the risk, but base the evaluation on the science, not on knee-jerk fear-mongering or anti-corporatism.

NDRU said:

imago said:

SLS and Flouride (in toothpaste) are not good for you.

I recently discovered this was causing me bad canker sores. I also began to wonder about what it was doing to my skin, considering it's in shampoos and soaps

If you can find them, use bar shampoos.

They can be carried with carry-on luggage, etc. and they usually contain no SLS.

They also last far longer than liquid shampoos. It's a bit strange at first, because

you use it like a bar of soap, except on your hair, but it's better for the environment,

ultimately your budget, and of course your skin.

GM's are unproven and defiant of basic common sense .. food is perfectly designed as is .. if people care about starving people, stop supporting a war based society .. stop supporting blowing up people all the time with our war based economy ..

you are what you eat .. if you eat poisons than it affects your health

if u eat death than your body lives on the energy of murdered animals

it would be easy to feed the world .. nobody really wants to .. ya'll want ur plazma tvs and murder movies and junk food instead

imago said:

NDRU said:

I recently discovered this was causing me bad canker sores. I also began to wonder about what it was doing to my skin, considering it's in shampoos and soaps

If you can find them, use bar shampoos.

They can be carried with carry-on luggage, etc. and they usually contain no SLS.

They also last far longer than liquid shampoos. It's a bit strange at first, because

you use it like a bar of soap, except on your hair, but it's better for the environment,

ultimately your budget, and of course your skin.

i just shared that by imago on facebook, if i can find them i will you use them you are spot on

Genesia said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ It seems its you who have been indoctrinated by the pro GM lobby...they always use it as an excuse that it's a solution to world hunger but they could end it now if they wanted, it's not due to lack of food, it's due to lack of distribution. They haven't even started using that 'golden rice' yet it's just an empty promise.

Perhaps you should research the hundreds of Indian farmers who have committed suicide since using GM as they cannot afford to re-buy the seeds every year, plus the poor neighbouring farmers in India and Mexico whos crops have been ruined due to plant mutations.

GM has never been thoroughly or properly tested, to me its like a ticking time-bomb...the infamous George Bush senior (another paragon of Republican intelligence) was responsible for deregulating it so it went into the food chain without proper testing....in fact the initial GM modification was due to be resistant from the side effects from Roundup, ( to make them 'Roundup ready') so instead of modifying the crops to not need fertilizer they made it so they could survive with copious amounts of those chemicals on....which is a bizarre way of doing it, imagine what those chemicals have done to consumers.....

Since then the big multintionals have tried to create their own seeds and tried to patent them as well as inserting 'terminator genes' which is unnatural and forces farmers to be beholden to these multinationals for years ahead. With all this untested stuff going on the market, now they are wondering why plants and weeds are getting resistant to it and some even think it may be responsible for decline of bees.

Before you knee jerk reply, please watch this documentary 'The World According to Monsanto', it references pretty much all I've mentioned above, be prepared to be shocked:

http://video.google.com/v...4318912106

It will make you really reconsider supporting this form of corporate control over world food.

I think it needs thorough research and testing in a very safe area before this should ever be or have been introduced to the public, even less the food chain but as ever lobbyists and greedy corporations got their hold over politicians....

Do your own research, bub. They haven't started using it because its use has been blocked by anti-GMO forces - not because it isn't ready to be planted.

I'm not sure that's true, more like an empty marketing promise, if it was there wouldn't be any GM crops at all, but there are and most of the US population are the unwitting guinea pigs for these crops.

Even if they did block it, it is justified, these untested products should not be tested on the 3rd world before being tested in labs and far away from any areas of cross-pollination, that is just immoral and risky.

All I and most other anti-GM'ers want is proper thorough testing in a closed environment before they are released to the public and the food chain and nature in general, there are signs they are already causing problems and in fact yields in some cases have been worse. No other product, not even toothpaste or make-up is put out there without testing so why should something you actually consume be released without being tested?!?

I know some trials have been blocked but to be fair usually these are in open fields next to non GM crops so it's not a 'closed environment', it needs to be done somewhere far from any risk of cross contamination. I'd also like to see a ban on companies patenting genes as the only real reason GM has even been thought of and allowed is due to the profit motive, not for altruistic (stopping world hunger) type reasons. Anyone that thinks they were introduced to help the 3rd world is rather naive IMO, and as the documentary shows, in fact it is doing more harm than good there already.

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imago said:

NDRU said:

I recently discovered this was causing me bad canker sores. I also began to wonder about what it was doing to my skin, considering it's in shampoos and soaps

If you can find them, use bar shampoos.

They can be carried with carry-on luggage, etc. and they usually contain no SLS.

They also last far longer than liquid shampoos. It's a bit strange at first, because

you use it like a bar of soap, except on your hair, but it's better for the environment,

ultimately your budget, and of course your skin.

hmm, I have never seen a bar shampoo. But it's not too hard to get one withough SLS as long as you don't shop at regular stores