I had bronchitis 2 years in a row, but it's funny that it turned out to be in the middle of spring and not in winter

alphastreet said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

True. I remembered doing a research report on breast cancer and alternative medicine.

I've also heard of people who don't really have it being diagnosed with it, all for money. Sickening.

So that they can cut the wrong breast. Yes, this is sickening

I think eating properly is the best medicine of all. Sadly, given the way Americans eat now, eating whole, unprocessed foods is considered "alternative."

There's a reason I look a good ten years younger than my chronological age (and younger than my three younger sisters) - I eat well. I take cod liver oil. I consume mostly good fats (and limit my exposure to bad fats). I eat animal-based foods in appropriate measure. (There are certain nutrients that can only be gotten from animal foods - despite what the anti-meat faction tells you.)

And I actively work to get adequate rest. People who follow an, "I'll sleep when I'm dead" philosophy typically start looking dead around my age. No, thank you.

luv4u said:

Accupuncture

My doctor just told me I should try this for my headaches

veronikka said:

luv4u said:

Accupuncture

My doctor just told me I should try this for my headaches

(Are you properly hydrated?)

ONLY ALTERNATIVELY!

I believe in preventative medicine more than anything--ie not doing the things that are bad for you. I believe that the negative things we do have more impact on our health than the positive things.

For example, I think it's much more important to not smoke heavily than it is to jog. I think it's more important to not eat fatty, sodium filled food than it is to take cholesterol or blood pressure medication, or to eat garlic. Acupuncture is fine, but I don't think it's enough to fix a person who spends all day on the computer.

NDRU said:

I believe in preventative medicine more than anything--ie not doing the things that are bad for you. I believe that the negative things we do have more impact on our health than the positive things.

For example, I think it's much more important to not smoke heavily than it is to jog. I think it's more important to not eat fatty, sodium filled food than it is to take cholesterol or blood pressure medication, or to eat garlic. Acupuncture is fine, but I don't think it's enough to fix a person who spends all day on the computer.

Agreed.

I always laugh at the Prilosec commercials. They promote the idea of keep consuming the food and drink that causes acid reflux and take our pill. Mind you the long term side effect can be damaging to your hips. Meaning you might need a hip replacement.

kewlschool said:

NDRU said:

I believe in preventative medicine more than anything--ie not doing the things that are bad for you. I believe that the negative things we do have more impact on our health than the positive things.

For example, I think it's much more important to not smoke heavily than it is to jog. I think it's more important to not eat fatty, sodium filled food than it is to take cholesterol or blood pressure medication, or to eat garlic. Acupuncture is fine, but I don't think it's enough to fix a person who spends all day on the computer.

Agreed.

I always laugh at the Prilosec commercials. They promote the idea of keep consuming the food and drink that causes acid reflux and take our pill. Mind you the long term side effect can be damaging to your hips. Meaning you might need a hip replacement.

But I neeeeeeeed my pizza!

PurpleJedi said:

veronikka said:

My doctor just told me I should try this for my headaches

(Are you properly hydrated?)

Genesia said:

kewlschool said:

Agreed.

I always laugh at the Prilosec commercials. They promote the idea of keep consuming the food and drink that causes acid reflux and take our pill. Mind you the long term side effect can be damaging to your hips. Meaning you might need a hip replacement.

But I neeeeeeeed my pizza!

Yeah, neeeeeed is the operative word.

Genesia said:

kewlschool said:

Agreed.

I always laugh at the Prilosec commercials. They promote the idea of keep consuming the food and drink that causes acid reflux and take our pill. Mind you the long term side effect can be damaging to your hips. Meaning you might need a hip replacement.

But I neeeeeeeed my pizza!

pizza is like medicine for the soul!

Ok confession time.

I have one uncle recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and another uncle diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. My diabetic uncle is going the conventional route and he takes pills I believe. I've not seen him doing injections of any kind.

My other uncle is forgoing conventional medicine (other than an oxygen tank and blood thinners) and looking to herbs and detox methods.

Someone advised him of a coffee enema as a form of detoxing and he is using crystals for something...i don't know what.

They both are weak and tired all of the time but I honestly don't know if either are doing the right thing. They both juice as well but my uncle with cancer can't keep his food down so he takes herbal extracts under the tongue.

All this shit is confusing and saddening to me but I pray for them and hope that they know what they are doing.

Oh and they both swear by wheat grass juice.

i drink tea

HotGritz said:

Ok confession time.

I have one uncle recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and another uncle diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. My diabetic uncle is going the conventional route and he takes pills I believe. I've not seen him doing injections of any kind.

My other uncle is forgoing conventional medicine (other than an oxygen tank and blood thinners) and looking to herbs and detox methods.

Someone advised him of a coffee enema as a form of detoxing and he is using crystals for something...i don't know what.

They both are weak and tired all of the time but I honestly don't know if either are doing the right thing. They both juice as well but my uncle with cancer can't keep his food down so he takes herbal extracts under the tongue.

All this shit is confusing and saddening to me but I pray for them and hope that they know what they are doing.

Oh and they both swear by wheat grass juice.

absolute mega doses of vitamin C IV dripped into a person has been shown in some caes to be more effective than chemotherapy

from http://www.canceractive.c...eoplastons

re stanislaw burzynski's work:

"His work - which is non-toxic - with brain tumour patients and those with other cancers produced results that beat the statistics seen for standard radiotherapy and chemotherapy treatment.

In recorded trials for adults with gliomas having chemotherapy and radiotherapy the comparable 5 year survival was 9 out of 54 for orthodox treatment; 5 out of 25 for anteneoplastons. With children, the results were even more striking. Orthodox treatment say an immediate clear up of the tumour in only 1 case out of 107 (and that child did not survive 5 years). With anteneoplastons 11 out of 40 patients were clear after treatment, all those 11 surviving 5 years.

Burzynski says he is still not 100 per cent sure why anteneoplastons ´work´ for only some people.

The NCI and FDA acknowledges that anteneoplastons ´work´

Before he started his work, Burzynski took legal advice and was told he could practice in Texas where he could distribute anteneoplastons to patients.

However, his early success prompted a hiatus amongst the American Orthodox community, and resulted in numerous court and FDA appearances across a ten year period. For example, Burzynski went through 4 Senate hearings and several other FDA hearings. In the end, the FDA gave up challenging the medicine of the treatment. Importantly, they acknowledged that the treatment was non-toxic and could help some patients beat their cancers. "

XxAxX said:

HotGritz said:

Ok confession time.

I have one uncle recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and another uncle diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. My diabetic uncle is going the conventional route and he takes pills I believe. I've not seen him doing injections of any kind.

My other uncle is forgoing conventional medicine (other than an oxygen tank and blood thinners) and looking to herbs and detox methods.

Someone advised him of a coffee enema as a form of detoxing and he is using crystals for something...i don't know what.

They both are weak and tired all of the time but I honestly don't know if either are doing the right thing. They both juice as well but my uncle with cancer can't keep his food down so he takes herbal extracts under the tongue.

All this shit is confusing and saddening to me but I pray for them and hope that they know what they are doing.

Oh and they both swear by wheat grass juice.

absolute mega doses of vitamin C IV dripped into a person has been shown in some caes to be more effective than chemotherapy

from http://www.canceractive.c...eoplastons

re stanislaw burzynski's work:

"His work - which is non-toxic - with brain tumour patients and those with other cancers produced results that beat the statistics seen for standard radiotherapy and chemotherapy treatment.

In recorded trials for adults with gliomas having chemotherapy and radiotherapy the comparable 5 year survival was 9 out of 54 for orthodox treatment; 5 out of 25 for anteneoplastons. With children, the results were even more striking. Orthodox treatment say an immediate clear up of the tumour in only 1 case out of 107 (and that child did not survive 5 years). With anteneoplastons 11 out of 40 patients were clear after treatment, all those 11 surviving 5 years.

Burzynski says he is still not 100 per cent sure why anteneoplastons ´work´ for only some people.

The NCI and FDA acknowledges that anteneoplastons ´work´

Before he started his work, Burzynski took legal advice and was told he could practice in Texas where he could distribute anteneoplastons to patients.

However, his early success prompted a hiatus amongst the American Orthodox community, and resulted in numerous court and FDA appearances across a ten year period. For example, Burzynski went through 4 Senate hearings and several other FDA hearings. In the end, the FDA gave up challenging the medicine of the treatment. Importantly, they acknowledged that the treatment was non-toxic and could help some patients beat their cancers. "

OMG! Ok this is very interesting and I think they both should try it as it couldn't hurt right?

Now here is the potential problem: how can our family get the doctors to administer Vit C via iv drip and how much of a dose should be requested? Should I recommend liquid Vitamin C if I can find it? I don't trust doctors much and the poor nurses can't act on their own and have to get a doctor's order before they do anything.

I know Vitamin C is a great property for healing wounds so it makes sense to me that it would aid in helping every cell in the body. Its an antioxidant and immune system builder right? Seems to me our immune systems are designed to combat any potential celluar damage if our system is healthy enough.

I don't know if I'm making sense.

HotGritz said:

XxAxX said:

absolute mega doses of vitamin C IV dripped into a person has been shown in some caes to be more effective than chemotherapy

from http://www.canceractive.c...eoplastons

re stanislaw burzynski's work:

"His work - which is non-toxic - with brain tumour patients and those with other cancers produced results that beat the statistics seen for standard radiotherapy and chemotherapy treatment.

In recorded trials for adults with gliomas having chemotherapy and radiotherapy the comparable 5 year survival was 9 out of 54 for orthodox treatment; 5 out of 25 for anteneoplastons. With children, the results were even more striking. Orthodox treatment say an immediate clear up of the tumour in only 1 case out of 107 (and that child did not survive 5 years). With anteneoplastons 11 out of 40 patients were clear after treatment, all those 11 surviving 5 years.

Burzynski says he is still not 100 per cent sure why anteneoplastons ´work´ for only some people.

The NCI and FDA acknowledges that anteneoplastons ´work´

Before he started his work, Burzynski took legal advice and was told he could practice in Texas where he could distribute anteneoplastons to patients.

However, his early success prompted a hiatus amongst the American Orthodox community, and resulted in numerous court and FDA appearances across a ten year period. For example, Burzynski went through 4 Senate hearings and several other FDA hearings. In the end, the FDA gave up challenging the medicine of the treatment. Importantly, they acknowledged that the treatment was non-toxic and could help some patients beat their cancers. "

OMG! Ok this is very interesting and I think they both should try it as it couldn't hurt right?

Now here is the potential problem: how can our family get the doctors to administer Vit C via iv drip and how much of a dose should be requested? Should I recommend liquid Vitamin C if I can find it? I don't trust doctors much and the poor nurses can't act on their own and have to get a doctor's order before they do anything.

I know Vitamin C is a great property for healing wounds so it makes sense to me that it would aid in helping every cell in the body. Its an antioxidant and immune system builder right? Seems to me our immune systems are designed to combat any potential celluar damage if our system is healthy enough.

I don't know if I'm making sense.

In reality, AS-2.1 is phenylacetic acid (PA), a potentially toxic substance produced during normal metabolism. PA is detoxified in the liver to phenylacetyl glutamine (PAG), which is excreted in the urine. When urine is heated after adding acid, the PAG loses water and becomes 3-N-phenylacetylamino piperidine 2,6-dione (PAPD), which is insoluble. Normally there is no PAPD in human urine.

[Edited 7/17/12 17:57pm]

HotGritz said:

XxAxX said:

absolute mega doses of vitamin C IV dripped into a person has been shown in some caes to be more effective than chemotherapy

from http://www.canceractive.c...eoplastons

re stanislaw burzynski's work:

"His work - which is non-toxic - with brain tumour patients and those with other cancers produced results that beat the statistics seen for standard radiotherapy and chemotherapy treatment.

In recorded trials for adults with gliomas having chemotherapy and radiotherapy the comparable 5 year survival was 9 out of 54 for orthodox treatment; 5 out of 25 for anteneoplastons. With children, the results were even more striking. Orthodox treatment say an immediate clear up of the tumour in only 1 case out of 107 (and that child did not survive 5 years). With anteneoplastons 11 out of 40 patients were clear after treatment, all those 11 surviving 5 years.

Burzynski says he is still not 100 per cent sure why anteneoplastons ´work´ for only some people.

The NCI and FDA acknowledges that anteneoplastons ´work´

Before he started his work, Burzynski took legal advice and was told he could practice in Texas where he could distribute anteneoplastons to patients.

However, his early success prompted a hiatus amongst the American Orthodox community, and resulted in numerous court and FDA appearances across a ten year period. For example, Burzynski went through 4 Senate hearings and several other FDA hearings. In the end, the FDA gave up challenging the medicine of the treatment. Importantly, they acknowledged that the treatment was non-toxic and could help some patients beat their cancers. "

OMG! Ok this is very interesting and I think they both should try it as it couldn't hurt right?

Now here is the potential problem: how can our family get the doctors to administer Vit C via iv drip and how much of a dose should be requested? Should I recommend liquid Vitamin C if I can find it? I don't trust doctors much and the poor nurses can't act on their own and have to get a doctor's order before they do anything.

I know Vitamin C is a great property for healing wounds so it makes sense to me that it would aid in helping every cell in the body. Its an antioxidant and immune system builder right? Seems to me our immune systems are designed to combat any potential celluar damage if our system is healthy enough.

I don't know if I'm making sense.

Mass doses of vit c can and most likely cause organ failures.

kewlschool said:

HotGritz said:

OMG! Ok this is very interesting and I think they both should try it as it couldn't hurt right?

Now here is the potential problem: how can our family get the doctors to administer Vit C via iv drip and how much of a dose should be requested? Should I recommend liquid Vitamin C if I can find it? I don't trust doctors much and the poor nurses can't act on their own and have to get a doctor's order before they do anything.

I know Vitamin C is a great property for healing wounds so it makes sense to me that it would aid in helping every cell in the body. Its an antioxidant and immune system builder right? Seems to me our immune systems are designed to combat any potential celluar damage if our system is healthy enough.

I don't know if I'm making sense.

Mass doses of vit c can and most likely cause organ failures.

That's why it needs to be administered by a health professional and not some fly-by-night practitioner or by someone at home.

There's also a way to clear your arteries from high cholesterol buildup and plaque via intravenous solution. It's called chelation therapy, and it's the same thing they use to treat people with lead and other toxic metals poisoning. The main ingredient in the intravenous solutiuon is EDTA, but they use vitamin C and other mineral agents so that the cholesterol and calcium deposits in the arteries bind to them and get naturally flushed out of the bloodstream. There are only a few doctors who do this, however, and it usually takes about three to six visits to clear the arteries. Unfortunately, no insurance plans cover this in the USA, but it's still a lot cheaper and safer than getting an angioplasty and/or heart bypass surgery.

728huey said:

kewlschool said:

Mass doses of vit c can and most likely cause organ failures.

That's why it needs to be administered by a health professional and not some fly-by-night practitioner or by someone at home.

There's also a way to clear your arteries from high cholesterol buildup and plaque via intravenous solution. It's called chelation therapy, and it's the same thing they use to treat people with lead and other toxic metals poisoning. The main ingredient in the intravenous solutiuon is EDTA, but they use vitamin C and other mineral agents so that the cholesterol and calcium deposits in the arteries bind to them and get naturally flushed out of the bloodstream. There are only a few doctors who do this, however, and it usually takes about three to six visits to clear the arteries. Unfortunately, no insurance plans cover this in the USA, but it's still a lot cheaper and safer than getting an angioplasty and/or heart bypass surgery.

It has not been established that chelation therapy is effective. Most of the studies have shown that it provides no benefit above placebo, and the few studies that did show effect were either not replicated or were poorly designed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...t=Abstract

CONCLUSION:

Based on exercise time to ischemia, exercise capacity, and quality of life measurements, there is no evidence to support a beneficial effect of chelation therapy in patients with ischemic heart disease, stable angina, and a positive treadmill test for ischemia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...t=Abstract

RESULTS:

The most striking finding is the almost total lack of convincing evidence for efficacy. Numerous case reports and case series were found. The majority of these publications seem to indicate that chelation therapy is effective. Only 2 controlled clinical trials were located. They provide no evidence that chelation therapy is efficacious beyond a powerful placebo effect.

CONCLUSION:

Given the potential of chelation therapy to cause severe adverse effects, this treatment should now be considered obsolete.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...t=Abstract

During the 3-month (n = 149) and 6-month (n = 123) follow-up period, no long-term therapeutic effect of EDTA could be demonstrated. The ankle-brachial blood pressure index remained unchanged throughout the study period. This study failed to demonstrate any effect of EDTA chelation treatment in intermittent claudication.

http://www.thebody.com/Fo...91076.html

If chelation therapists practiced in a scientific manner, their publications would show an interest in obtaining objective proof that chelation could alter the progress of the atherosclerosis, that occluded blood vessels could be cleared, that plaque deposits could be reduced, and that hardened arteries could be "softened." Their data would include carefully documented case reports with long-term follow-up, comparisons of angiograms or ultrasound tests before and after chelation, and data from autopsies of former patients. But chelationists have published no such data. The few well-designed studies that have addressed the efficacy of chelation for atherosclerotic diseases have been carried out by "establishment " medical scientists. Without exception, these found no evidence that chelation worked.

XxAxX said:

Genesia said:

XxAxX said:

pizza is like medicine for the soul!

I was joking. I eat pizza only rarely. It's not exactly compatible with a low-carb diet.

You need a good New York style thin-crust pizza then.

PurpleJedi said:

Genesia said:

I was joking. I eat pizza only rarely. It's not exactly compatible with a low-carb diet.

You need a good New York style thin-crust pizza then.

like a little cracker topped with asiago cheese and fresh mushrooms, artichokes, red peppers

HotGritz said:

Could it be that there is a natural cure for every form of illness and disease known to man? What if the pharmaceutical companies were lying to us and instead of taking the little white pill all we needed was a plant?

Discuss.

Yes, I believe in alternative medicine. Many doctors do also. Dr. Oz talks about that topic on his shows.

Any medicine is alternative until through medical/scientific research it's found to be effective treatment.

Some of the new alternative medicines might lead to the discovery of real chemicals or procedures that will be refined or synthesized to treat stuff, other alt medicines are bullshit or pacebo or coincidence.

XxAxX said:

PurpleJedi said:

You need a good New York style thin-crust pizza then.

like a little cracker topped with asiago cheese and fresh mushrooms, artichokes, red peppers

When you eat low carb, all bread is just sugar in disguise.

Genesia said:

XxAxX said:

like a little cracker topped with asiago cheese and fresh mushrooms, artichokes, red peppers

When you eat low carb, all bread is just sugar in disguise.

doesn't matter to me, i eat carbs