JoeTyler said:

Azz said:

The pert where the lady at the counter said to Robin 'I like that name, you should use it' was sickening

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?

one line (which I don't consider cheesy, more like tongue in check, anyway) and the movie is CHEESY?

I guess SOTT is one of the worst albums of all time cuz I don't like the lyrics of "Adore"

I never said the whole film was cheesy?

I was just saying that part was extremely cheesy. But you can thank Nolan's sub-par brother for that.

DaveT said:

JustErin said:

It wasn't comic book cheesy, it was bad movie cheesy. I know the difference.

Damn!! If you thought the The Dark Knight Rises was too cheesy, I'd hate to see your reaction to a properly cheesy movie... Ghost and Dirty Dancing must reduce you to a quivering wreck!

I don't watch movies like the two you mentioned.

JustErin said:

DaveT said:

Damn!! If you thought the The Dark Knight Rises was too cheesy, I'd hate to see your reaction to a properly cheesy movie... Ghost and Dirty Dancing must reduce you to a quivering wreck!

I don't watch movies like the two you mentioned.

Will you reconstitute if we sprinkle water on you?

People were having orgasms because this is, by far, the 'coolest' and seemingly the grittiest retelling of Batman we've had. Given that the books always strived to be very brooding and thoughtful (after the 1970s, anyway), it felt right to have the franchise redone this way. Especially when juxtaposed with the Keaton and West franchises and what they eventually became.

So, sure, they have some serious plot holes, missteps, etc. All movies do. Really! They do. It's just fun for some folks. I know, how dare they! But still.

JustErin said:

DaveT said:

As I've mentioned before, people seem to forget that this is still a comic-book movie....its meant to be a bit cheesy, its meant to be unreal, fantasy, etc.

I think Nolan's almost been he's worst enemy, doing such a good job with the first two films....people are now expecting him to turn in The Godfather or Lawrence of Arabia with Dark Knight Rises. Its still a comic book movie about a man that dresses up like a bat!! I don't think you can moan that a film with that central premise can have too many cheesy moments

It wasn't comic book cheesy, it was bad movie cheesy. I know the difference.

Are there any scenes in particular that you found cheesy? I´m just wondering.

I absolutely LOVE the whole trilogy, they´re all equally good as far as I´m concerned, and they are the closest thing to my favorite Batman stories ( The Lazarus Pit, The Killing Joke, Year One, Return of the Dark Knight etc.). I´m also a huge fan of the late 70s, more serious Batman/Bruce Wayne of Neal Adams and Dennis O´Neill. Nolan and his team did a great job when it comes to creating an amalgam of those stories I mentioned above, plus they gave the whole thing a new, unique style and flavor.

The only scene that I found a tad too cheesy was when Selina Kyle got on the motorbike for the first time and said something silly ( don´t remember what exactly she said but her lines made me cringe a bit). Other than that, I can´t think of any other possible cheesiness in the movie.

At times I found it a bit too melodramatic but that was to be expected.

Another thing I loved about this trilogy was Nolan´s choice of villains. I´m not particularly interested in seeing the Riddler, Mr.Freeze or the Penguin again.

Ras Al Ghul, the Joker and Bane are among my all time favorite villains.

If only they had made a bit more use of the Talia Al Ghul character.

As a kid, I had a huge crush on Talia Al Ghul.

Spinlight said:

JustErin said:

I don't watch movies like the two you mentioned.

Will you reconstitute if we sprinkle water on you?

People were having orgasms because this is, by far, the 'coolest' and seemingly the grittiest retelling of Batman we've had. Given that the books always strived to be very brooding and thoughtful (after the 1970s, anyway), it felt right to have the franchise redone this way. Especially when juxtaposed with the Keaton and West franchises and what they eventually became.

So, sure, they have some serious plot holes, missteps, etc. All movies do. Really! They do. It's just fun for some folks. I know, how dare they! But still.

Good movies don't. The Godfather doesn't.

I still don't understand why they didn't chose to trigger the atomic bomb 5 months prior to it's decay?

I'm pretty certain, something that size, takes longer than 5 months to decay or become unstable anyway.

But... I don't really understand it, so I'm probably talking nonsense.

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When Batman was chasing the truck in the Bat. This scene was just a bore, and belonged in a film like 'Avengers' and 'Transformers'. Come to think of it, the whole plot did.

The Dark Knight Rises is a movie for the ages

JoeTyler said:

The Dark Knight Rises is a movie for the ages

Do you really think this?

Azz said:

JoeTyler said:

The Dark Knight Rises is a movie for the ages

Do you really think this?

do you really think that the Nolan's trilogy of Batman won't be remembered?

people are still buyin' the BluRay of Rambo 2, for cryin' out loud

JoeTyler said:

Azz said:

Do you really think this?

do you really think that the Nolan's trilogy of Batman won't be remembered?

people are still buyin' the BluRay of Rambo 2, for cryin' out loud

In that sense, yes.

But you said it with proud.

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Azz said:

JoeTyler said:

do you really think that the Nolan's trilogy of Batman won't be remembered?

people are still buyin' the BluRay of Rambo 2, for cryin' out loud

In that sense, yes.

But you said it with proud.

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it's ok

you don't have to like Nolan's Batman

as long as we the fans are happy/proud we don't truly care about the "complains" of the non-fans/mainstream moviegoers

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JoeTyler said:

Azz said:

In that sense, yes.

But you said it with proud.

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it's ok

you don't have to like Nolan's Batman

as long as we the fans are happy/proud we don't truly care what the non-fans/mainstream moviegoers have to say

I'm not here to bash or troll.

I honestly was extremely excited and hoped for a success. Although I didn't think the film was excellence like it's predecessor, I still hope it does well at Box Office. Better than the atrocity that is Avengers, anyway.

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Azz said:

JoeTyler said:

it's ok

you don't have to like Nolan's Batman

as long as we the fans are happy/proud we don't truly care what the non-fans/mainstream moviegoers have to say

I'm not here to bash or troll.

I honestly was extremely excited and hoped for a success. Although I didn't think the film was excellence like it's predecessor, I still hope it does well at Box Office. Better than the atrocity that is Avengers, anyway.

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IMO, Avengers curb-stomped TDKR. I'd say that Amazing Spider-Man was better than Dark Knight Rises in many ways.

Dauphin said:

Azz said:

I'm not here to bash or troll.

I honestly was extremely excited and hoped for a success. Although I didn't think the film was excellence like it's predecessor, I still hope it does well at Box Office. Better than the atrocity that is Avengers, anyway.

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IMO, Avengers curb-stomped TDKR. I'd say that Amazing Spider-Man was better than Dark Knight Rises in many ways.

Avengers isn't a film. It's a parody. The plot & script & character development is god-awful. I would safely say it is the worst film I've ever watched in cinema - and I've watched films like Epic Movie.

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Spinlight said:

JustErin said:

I don't watch movies like the two you mentioned.

Will you reconstitute if we sprinkle water on you?

People were having orgasms because this is, by far, the 'coolest' and seemingly the grittiest retelling of Batman we've had. Given that the books always strived to be very brooding and thoughtful (after the 1970s, anyway), it felt right to have the franchise redone this way. Especially when juxtaposed with the Keaton and West franchises and what they eventually became.

So, sure, they have some serious plot holes, missteps, etc. All movies do. Really! They do. It's just fun for some folks. I know, how dare they! But still.

It's not like I care what other people watch or like, has zero effect on me.

Sure, most movies have plot holes, etc...this movie was just lazy in some ways to me, funny when it was supposed to be serious and far from "dark" like people said it was.

It was worth the 8 bucks (and my kid was free) I guess and enjoyable enough. It's just not what I expected at all.

Azz said:

JoeTyler said:

it's ok

you don't have to like Nolan's Batman

as long as we the fans are happy/proud we don't truly care what the non-fans/mainstream moviegoers have to say

I'm not here to bash or troll.

I honestly was extremely excited and hoped for a success. Although I didn't think the film was excellence like it's predecessor, I still hope it does well at Box Office. Better than the atrocity that is Avengers, anyway.

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the avengers and the amazing spider man were way better than any of these dark knight bullshit ass movies

KoolEaze said:

JustErin said:

It wasn't comic book cheesy, it was bad movie cheesy. I know the difference.

Are there any scenes in particular that you found cheesy? I´m just wondering.

I absolutely LOVE the whole trilogy, they´re all equally good as far as I´m concerned, and they are the closest thing to my favorite Batman stories ( The Lazarus Pit, The Killing Joke, Year One, Return of the Dark Knight etc.). I´m also a huge fan of the late 70s, more serious Batman/Bruce Wayne of Neal Adams and Dennis O´Neill. Nolan and his team did a great job when it comes to creating an amalgam of those stories I mentioned above, plus they gave the whole thing a new, unique style and flavor.

The only scene that I found a tad too cheesy was when Selina Kyle got on the motorbike for the first time and said something silly ( don´t remember what exactly she said but her lines made me cringe a bit). Other than that, I can´t think of any other possible cheesiness in the movie.

At times I found it a bit too melodramatic but that was to be expected.

DC are doing an animated version of that comic.....and theres talk that Mark Hamill si vocing the Joker again....have a look on google theyve released sum freezed frames from the movie...looks good

Azz said:

Dauphin said:

IMO, Avengers curb-stomped TDKR. I'd say that Amazing Spider-Man was better than Dark Knight Rises in many ways.

Avengers isn't a film. It's a parody. The plot & script & character development is god-awful. I would safely say it is the worst film I've ever watched in cinema - and I've watched films like Epic Movie.

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Are we starting to expect too much from our comic book movies now though? I mean, this is a story about a radiated man who turns green and muscle bound when he gets angry, a man in a flying metal suit, a man with a magic hammer...can we really take a story like this seriously and start picking holes in character development and the script? Pick up any Avengers comic book and tell me the dialogue isn't cheese laden.

DaveT said:

Azz said:

Avengers isn't a film. It's a parody. The plot & script & character development is god-awful. I would safely say it is the worst film I've ever watched in cinema - and I've watched films like Epic Movie.

[Edited 7/30/12 8:26am]

Are we starting to expect too much from our comic book movies now though? I mean, this is a story about a radiated man who turns green and muscle bound when he gets angry, a man in a flying metal suit, a man with a magic hammer...can we really take a story like this seriously and start picking holes in character development and the script? Pick up any Avengers comic book and tell me the dialogue isn't cheese laden.

I disagree. Comic is a different format of entertainment. If you are going to translate a comic onto film, do it right!

The Dark Knight Rises wants to be taken seriously. In this case, it should be executed like any other film. Each film even has a moral to it.

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Dauphin said:

Azz said:

I'm not here to bash or troll.

I honestly was extremely excited and hoped for a success. Although I didn't think the film was excellence like it's predecessor, I still hope it does well at Box Office. Better than the atrocity that is Avengers, anyway.

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[Edited 7/29/12 16:52pm]

IMO, Avengers curb-stomped TDKR. I'd say that Amazing Spider-Man was better than Dark Knight Rises in many ways.

And what ways are these?

Technical-wise, CGI, script, acting, plot, & character development is all superior in The Dark Knight Rises to both Amazing Spider-man and Avengers

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L4OATheOriginal said:

Azz said:

I'm not here to bash or troll.

I honestly was extremely excited and hoped for a success. Although I didn't think the film was excellence like it's predecessor, I still hope it does well at Box Office. Better than the atrocity that is Avengers, anyway.

[Edited 7/29/12 16:31pm]

[Edited 7/29/12 16:52pm]

the avengers and the amazing spider man were way better than any of these dark knight bullshit ass movies

What did I tell you about doing a key of cocaine and then getting online and posting??? "The Dark Knight bullshit ass movies"?? Are you kidding me??? Hell, Batman Begins was 10 times better than Amazing Spider-man, and The Dark Knight might be the BEST comic book ever of ALL time. No joke. The only one that may tie it is indeed The Avengers.

But, TDKR was one helluva great movie in its own right, with some minor problems, yes. But I still loved every minute of it, and TRUE Batman fans now line up to kiss Chris Nolan's ring for bringing Bats back to cinematic prominence with his trilogy.

Azz said:

Dauphin said:

IMO, Avengers curb-stomped TDKR. I'd say that Amazing Spider-Man was better than Dark Knight Rises in many ways.

And what ways are these?

Technical-wise, CGI, script, acting, plot, & character development is all superior in The Dark Knight Rises to both Amazing Spider-man and Avengers

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Firstly, The Amazing Spider-Man was the first retelling that correctly explored the "With Great Power Come Great Responsibility" theme. And that was without ever uttering that famous phrase. Peter Parker went from a wimp to a beast, and became a douche in the process. And at the end of the movie, Parker is still on the trail of his Uncle's killer. This is what Batman has in common with Spider-Man, and I feel that TAS pulled off the grieving and vengeance angles a lot better in regards to the main characters.

The fight scenes in TAS were exactly how a Superhero cgi battle should look. Spider-Man was fast, nimble, acrobatic, and resourceful with his webbing. Batman and Bane looked like Rocky IV. Brutal? Yes. Effective? Mostly, until we get to the money shot of Bane "breaking the Bat". Completely wasted one of the iconic moments of Batman's Lore. I wasn't even sure if Batman was really hurt.

And I don't understand all of the love for Bale's Batman. When did Batman become a mouth breather? And why does he always have to sound like Assy McGee? Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker is very much in tune with today's Beta Youth.

And you can't seriously buy the "love story" between Batman and Catwoman. I know it would be hard to top Keaton/Pfifer's dynamics, but their "romance" is completely out of the blue. Meanwhile, Garfield/Emma Stone was one of the best on screen match-ups in recent comic movie releases. Right up there with Bale/Gyllanhall and Downey Jr./Paltrow.

Azz said:

Optimus2 said:

I saw the movie and thought the film was shit....and ova-hyped ill tell u why....

1. we are supposed 2 believe that a 9 year old girl escaped that prison pit on 1st attepmt!!...and it took a league of shadows trained bruce wayne about 5!......nah im sorry not buying it!

2. I thought the bane voice was stupid

3. Catwoman was more like bat-girl........not a villian as she should be!!

4. that ending were that good cop gets teh batcave and we find out his 1st name is "Robin" seened forced and cheesey

5. same thing happens that did in the 1st 2......gotham gets cut-off from the world....no 1 can leave the city...AGAIN!!....ffs...cant they think fo something new

6. was overlong.....didnt need nearly 3 hours 2 tell that story....The Avengers was just aslong but was much better...cuz it flew buy...time flys when ya having fun...plus that lived up 2 the hype!!!

7. when talia ghul is dying......shes gives a villianess prolouge...and batman stands there listening....even tho theres only a few minutes left 4 him 2 stop the nuclear bomb thing goes off

BAD film!!!

I was agreeing with you until you said Avengers was much better. Avengers is a terrible film.

yes but the Avengers was meant 2 be cheesey and abit of a parody......how else could u get a big green monster......a god who controls thunder......a hero from world war 2....and a billionare play boy like robocop but with a more funkier personality....2gther on screen and make it work?.......since christopher nolan set the bar high with the 1st 2 films especially cuz they were more gritty and reliastic with complex psycholgy and reltionships......the 3rd film 2 me was so messy and had no fun in it......infact The Avengers had everything, comedy (infact sum of teh funniest scenes ive seen in a while 2 be fair) drama, and the last 30 mins blew evry single action scene in all the batmans out of the water!!!...it was a spectacle........and Im more of a Marvel fan anyhow ...so maybe im biased haha

Dauphin said:

Azz said:

And what ways are these?

Technical-wise, CGI, script, acting, plot, & character development is all superior in The Dark Knight Rises to both Amazing Spider-man and Avengers

[Edited 7/30/12 19:41pm]

Firstly, The Amazing Spider-Man was the first retelling that correctly explored the "With Great Power Come Great Responsibility" theme. And that was without ever uttering that famous phrase. Peter Parker went from a wimp to a beast, and became a douche in the process. And at the end of the movie, Parker is still on the trail of his Uncle's killer. This is what Batman has in common with Spider-Man, and I feel that TAS pulled off the grieving and vengeance angles a lot better in regards to the main characters.

The fight scenes in TAS were exactly how a Superhero cgi battle should look. Spider-Man was fast, nimble, acrobatic, and resourceful with his webbing. Batman and Bane looked like Rocky IV. Brutal? Yes. Effective? Mostly, until we get to the money shot of Bane "breaking the Bat". Completely wasted one of the iconic moments of Batman's Lore. I wasn't even sure if Batman was really hurt.

And I don't understand all of the love for Bale's Batman. When did Batman become a mouth breather? And why does he always have to sound like Assy McGee? Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker is very much in tune with today's Beta Youth.

And you can't seriously buy the "love story" between Batman and Catwoman. I know it would be hard to top Keaton/Pfifer's dynamics, but their "romance" is completely out of the blue. Meanwhile, Garfield/Emma Stone was one of the best on screen match-ups in recent comic movie releases. Right up there with Bale/Gyllanhall and Downey Jr./Paltrow.

You are clearly a comic book fan. I am not. I'm a fan of good film.

So, which of the three is everyone's favorite? I'm guessing TDK gets the most votes, but for me it's Batman Begins. Sure, the Joker is beyond great in TDK but as a whole, Batman Begins might be the better movie. There are some scenes, some cuts, which seem off to me in TDK. And I love the vibe and look of Batman Begins. Also the fight scenes, which seem to get so much hate - but it just makes so much sense, Batman is supposed to be dark and fast and the bad boys don't know what the fuck just happened. Perfectly executed.

One thing I can NEVER get over in TDK is when the Joker storms the apartment, looking for Harvey Dent. He throws Rachel out of the windown, Batman catches her and then? Cut. WTF? So the Joker and his goons just drink some booze and then leave through the front door?

Phishanga said:

So, which of the three is everyone's favorite? I'm guessing TDK gets the most votes, but for me it's Batman Begins. Sure, the Joker is beyond great in TDK but as a whole, Batman Begins might be the better movie. There are some scenes, some cuts, which seem off to me in TDK. And I love the vibe and look of Batman Begins. Also the fight scenes, which seem to get so much hate - but it just makes so much sense, Batman is supposed to be dark and fast and the bad boys don't know what the fuck just happened. Perfectly executed.

One thing I can NEVER get over in TDK is when the Joker storms the apartment, looking for Harvey Dent. He throws Rachel out of the windown, Batman catches her and then? Cut. WTF? So the Joker and his goons just drink some booze and then leave through the front door?

Wow, tough one!! Not sure I can choose...

...Begins is special, love the origin story plot. Tom Wilkinson's dodgy gangster accent always makes me laugh, and not alot of chemistry between Bale and Katie Holmes. But Michael Caine was hilarious "you can borrow ther Rolls if ya like", Cillian Murphy was superb...Freeman, Hauer, Oldman and of course the awesome Liam Neeson who I was so hoping might resurface in Rises to fight alongside Batman against Bane.

But I gotta go with TDK for Ledger...he was a much better nemesis for Batman and it was the performance of a lifetime. Maggie G made a much better Rachel, old wrestling star Tiny Lister throwing the bomb remote off the prison boat...too many moments to list...!

Only seen Rises once, and as good as it was I don't think it quite managed to top TDK

DaveT said:

Phishanga said:

So, which of the three is everyone's favorite? I'm guessing TDK gets the most votes, but for me it's Batman Begins. Sure, the Joker is beyond great in TDK but as a whole, Batman Begins might be the better movie. There are some scenes, some cuts, which seem off to me in TDK. And I love the vibe and look of Batman Begins. Also the fight scenes, which seem to get so much hate - but it just makes so much sense, Batman is supposed to be dark and fast and the bad boys don't know what the fuck just happened. Perfectly executed.

One thing I can NEVER get over in TDK is when the Joker storms the apartment, looking for Harvey Dent. He throws Rachel out of the windown, Batman catches her and then? Cut. WTF? So the Joker and his goons just drink some booze and then leave through the front door?

Wow, tough one!! Not sure I can choose...

...Begins is special, love the origin story plot. Tom Wilkinson's dodgy gangster accent always makes me laugh, and not alot of chemistry between Bale and Katie Holmes. But Michael Caine was hilarious "you can borrow ther Rolls if ya like", Cillian Murphy was superb...Freeman, Hauer, Oldman and of course the awesome Liam Neeson who I was so hoping might resurface in Rises to fight alongside Batman against Bane.

But I gotta go with TDK for Ledger...he was a much better nemesis for Batman and it was the performance of a lifetime. Maggie G made a much better Rachel, old wrestling star Tiny Lister throwing the bomb remote off the prison boat...too many moments to list...!

Only seen Rises once, and as good as it was I don't think it quite managed to top TDK

Agreed about Katie Holmes, but I don't particularly like Maggie Gyllenhall or whatever her name is, either. I don't think they got the casting for this role completely right.

And yes, Michael Caine definitely is the secret star of the whole trilogy!

Phishanga said:

So, which of the three is everyone's favorite? I'm guessing TDK gets the most votes, but for me it's Batman Begins. Sure, the Joker is beyond great in TDK but as a whole, Batman Begins might be the better movie. There are some scenes, some cuts, which seem off to me in TDK. And I love the vibe and look of Batman Begins. Also the fight scenes, which seem to get so much hate - but it just makes so much sense, Batman is supposed to be dark and fast and the bad boys don't know what the fuck just happened. Perfectly executed.

One thing I can NEVER get over in TDK is when the Joker storms the apartment, looking for Harvey Dent. He throws Rachel out of the windown, Batman catches her and then? Cut. WTF? So the Joker and his goons just drink some booze and then leave through the front door?

The Dark Knight.

Begins was merely an introduction to Batman, the plot was almost non-existant. In contrast, Rises has many confusing plots. Begins had a chessy script, and the main villian's 5 minute scene in Rises was better than throughout the whole of Begins. The Dark Knight had many memorable lines, delivered well by Ledger. And whilst the plot is also somewhat extensive and mudled, it's more conclusive and well-thought. The acting in Dark Knight is also superior to the others, over-all.

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Phishanga said:

DaveT said:

Wow, tough one!! Not sure I can choose...

...Begins is special, love the origin story plot. Tom Wilkinson's dodgy gangster accent always makes me laugh, and not alot of chemistry between Bale and Katie Holmes. But Michael Caine was hilarious "you can borrow ther Rolls if ya like", Cillian Murphy was superb...Freeman, Hauer, Oldman and of course the awesome Liam Neeson who I was so hoping might resurface in Rises to fight alongside Batman against Bane.

But I gotta go with TDK for Ledger...he was a much better nemesis for Batman and it was the performance of a lifetime. Maggie G made a much better Rachel, old wrestling star Tiny Lister throwing the bomb remote off the prison boat...too many moments to list...!

Only seen Rises once, and as good as it was I don't think it quite managed to top TDK

Agreed about Katie Holmes, but I don't particularly like Maggie Gyllenhall or whatever her name is, either. I don't think they got the casting for this role completely right.

And yes, Michael Caine definitely is the secret star of the whole trilogy!

Agreed. I think they should have just kept Katie Holmes, even if her acting was substandard. She played a more convincing Rachel than Maggie in my opinion.

Michael Caine is definetely the star.