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PrintableAaronUnlimited said: Lammastide said: Personally, I've always found Wolverine terribly boring. He's raw, murderous and comes from an undetermined background, which is attractive to most angst-ridden male youths, so I can understand his popularity. But I've never caught onto him.
he wasn't always that way. up through his first mini-series (but before he became the "guest-star of the week" in basically any book that needed a sales boost), he was written as a fairly complex character. it wasn't until after he was overexposed and too many writers were getting their hooks in him that he became a muddled mess. the characterization that you describe above is what most of the hack writers used for shorthand so they didn't have to deal with the complexities that Claremont had given him. Totally agree. I will say that I think some of the current X writers do get Wolvie, especially Morrison and Casey.For a while there in the 90s, Wolverine became extremely watered down and two dimensional. 
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JediMaster said: AaronUnlimited said: sparxxxtresss said: for me, it's a toss up between eras 2 and 3.
storm is and always will be my favorite character. not the "halle berry" storm. i didn't like how they portrayed her as a pouting, beauty queen  i agree. totally miscast. i wish they'd gone with the bad-ass mohawked Storm for the movie. the personality, anyway. maybe not the mohawk  Iman would have been my choice to play Storm. I've never agreed with 90% of the choices people list (like Grace Jones? Storm isn't manly! Angela Bassett? Not exotic enough). Berry was definitely miscast, no doubt about it. i agree. iman would have been excellent. i think an unknown actress would have also done wonders to the part. that's what bothered me the most about the movie. how the female characters were all portrayed as victims and not superheros. even mystic wasn't as evil as she usually is. | |
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Lammastide said: My faves have been Storm, Phoenix and (don't laugh) Banshee, and I think (and hope) the 2nd and 3rd movies will revolve heavily around Jean Grey's evolution to Phoenix as much as Wolvie's Weapon X background. Jean was a total joke in the first movie. By the way... I WANT MARVEL TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH ALPHA FLIGHT!!! I don't think there's much chance of seeing the Phoenix saga on film, since the second will be based on "God Loves, Man Kills" and the third is rumoured to center around the Sentinels. That having been said, I totally agree that they should do the Dark Phoenix storyline as a film. Phoenix and Nightcrawler are my faves, so I would love to see it happen (I'm at least getting Nightcrawler in this film). The new trailer looks fantastic. I really think its going to be the best of the fanboy flicks to come out this year.
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JediMaster said: Lammastide said: My faves have been Storm, Phoenix and (don't laugh) Banshee, and I think (and hope) the 2nd and 3rd movies will revolve heavily around Jean Grey's evolution to Phoenix as much as Wolvie's Weapon X background. Jean was a total joke in the first movie. By the way... I WANT MARVEL TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH ALPHA FLIGHT!!! I don't think there's much chance of seeing the Phoenix saga on film, since the second will be based on "God Loves, Man Kills" and the third is rumoured to center around the Sentinels. That having been said, I totally agree that they should do the Dark Phoenix storyline as a film. Phoenix and Nightcrawler are my faves, so I would love to see it happen (I'm at least getting Nightcrawler in this film). The new trailer looks fantastic. I really think its going to be the best of the fanboy flicks to come out this year. i'd love to see DPS as in one of the sequels. that particular story, though, is kind of an odd duck. it's (probably) the greatest story ever told within the confines of an X-Men comic, but that kind of stuff isn't really what the X-Men are about at heart (persecution, tolerance, etc). i doubt we'll see it in a movie. it would kind of confuse what the whole thing is about. | |
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AaronUnlimited said: i'd love to see DPS as in one of the sequels. that particular story, though, is kind of an odd duck. it's (probably) the greatest story ever told within the confines of an X-Men comic, but that kind of stuff isn't really what the X-Men are about at heart (persecution, tolerance, etc). i doubt we'll see it in a movie. it would kind of confuse what the whole thing is about. Good point. Thematically, it just wouldn't fit the films. Still, amybe they can show Jean start to develop the Phoenix force within the confines of the films.
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sparxxxtresss said: i agree. iman would have been excellent. i think an unknown actress would have also done wonders to the part.
that's what bothered me the most about the movie. how the female characters were all portrayed as victims and not superheros. even mystic wasn't as evil as she usually is. I think you'll be fairly happy with the new film. From what I've read it appears that Jean and Storm are much more at the forefront of this flick, Rogue sees her powers develop further, and Mystique kicks all kinds of ass. Add in Kelly Hu's Lady Deathstrike giving Wolverine a run for his money, and I think you just might get your fix of ass-kicking ladies!
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JediMaster said: AaronUnlimited said: i'd love to see DPS as in one of the sequels. that particular story, though, is kind of an odd duck. it's (probably) the greatest story ever told within the confines of an X-Men comic, but that kind of stuff isn't really what the X-Men are about at heart (persecution, tolerance, etc). i doubt we'll see it in a movie. it would kind of confuse what the whole thing is about. Good point. Thematically, it just wouldn't fit the films. Still, amybe they can show Jean start to develop the Phoenix force within the confines of the films. i definitely want to see it in a movie. make it sort of a b-plot running throughout as many sequels as they can. and then when the franchise is totally creatively bankrupt (for example, "Batman & Robin" of the Batman film series), and they're totally away from what it is they do best and give us a great movie about this, because, by then, there's nothing to lose really  | |
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AaronUnlimited said: Sage said: AaronUnlimited said: Lammastide said: By the way, who's your favorite X-man, and how would you cast the sequel film?
i'm really loving what Claremont is doing with Sage right now. why thank you dear. but don't you mean what I'M doing with him? of course. forgive me?  Get a cranium you two. 
Anyway, I'm gonna have to go with era 3. Claremont really came into his own at this time -- from out of the shadow of Byrne. There were some great stories and character development and such. Although I have to say, I stopped reading after like issue 200 or so. Cyclops left?  | |
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2the9s said: AaronUnlimited said: Sage said: AaronUnlimited said: Lammastide said: By the way, who's your favorite X-man, and how would you cast the sequel film?
i'm really loving what Claremont is doing with Sage right now. why thank you dear. but don't you mean what I'M doing with him? of course. forgive me? Get a cranium you two.
Anyway, I'm gonna have to go with era 3. Claremont really came into his own at this time -- from out of the shadow of Byrne. There were some great stories and character development and such. oh, there you are, Albert...  welcome home.
Although I have to say, I stopped reading after like issue 200 or so. Cyclops left?
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AaronUnlimited said: Does it matter? - 2the9s
What was that one storyline where they went back in time for like two issues to the middle ages or something. (Was it Kulan Gath?) That's the kind of thing Claremont would do, which was so much better than that Secret Wars bullshit. X-edit, bub! [This message was edited Tue Mar 4 21:13:12 PST 2003 by 2the9s] | |
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2the9s said: AaronUnlimited said: Does it matter? - 2the9s
What was that one storyline where they went back in time for like two issues to the middle ages or something. (Was it Kulan Gath?) That's the kind of thing Claremont would do, which was so much better than that Secret Wars bullshit. yeah, that's the one... but i wouldn't hold that story up as a shining moment. [This message was edited Tue Mar 4 21:40:25 PST 2003 by AaronUnlimited] | |
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