HuMpThAnG said:

Now according to the article, the father got there in time to stop the attempt.

So the child wasn't actually rape?

Only asking because certain posts on here, are assuming that she got rape.

She got molested before he shot him.

[Edited 6/21/12 17:14pm]

paintedlady said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Now according to the article, the father got there in time to stop the attempt.

So the child wasn't actually rape?

Only asking because certain posts on here, are assuming that she got rape.

It says that the girl was confirmed to have been molested by the attacker.

My guess is the dad stopped him DURING the attack. Beat the crap outta him because he went crazy after seeing someone raping his little girl.

I would go nuts too.

Exactly.

beatriceau said:

It's extremely rare for child molesters to reform so good riddance! I believe in locking them up and throwing away the key anyway! I mean 5 years old, how disturbing is that? I'm so glad he did not go to jail, that little girl needs a father now! What a great judge! I'm sick of seeing kiddy fiddlers getting off with light sentences. I remember in England,a woman flew into a rage and killed a man for abusing her kids and then got a long jail sentence even though she had terminal cancer! Its one fucked up world!

Well said

That was the point I was trying to make - they dont really reform (or as you say would be extremely rare)- it is always there in them and given a weak moment can flare back up to become another crime. Who of us with children would like to take the risk of having then live next door??????? Nobody in their right mind - why? Because there is always that possibility/danger.

"Kiddy Fiddlers" great term - exactly what they are - and it is unforgivable & inexcusable.

That report from UK about the woman that killed a man that abused her childern - I have to ask: did she catch him in the act of it? If she shot him afterwards (such as finding out later) that is wrong, but if she killed him because she caught him in the act of abusing her children, I can understand how that would happen, your first instinct is always to protect your child.

The laws are totally messed up though, I agree. And seems to depend on who the judge is at the time too.

morningsong said:

Only in Texas. It's sad that man died, the father didn't set out to kill, but catching somebody in the act, I can't say I wouldn't have taken a rock to them.

That would've been premeditated assault with the intent to kill.

The man beat him with his fists when he found him.

That's a passion killing, manslaughter.

This is an excusable homicide even if he did intend to kill. He was certainly right to do everything he could to end the attack. His 911 call suggests he had no intent to kill.

JoeTyler said:

Genesia said:

Plus, a dead guy can't sue you for justifiably beating the crap out of him.

did the pedo have any family? someone who could sue the 23 years old father?

What would you sue for? Wrongful death? The father had no duty to the farmhand.

EvilAngel said:

Shorty said:

fuckin' A right! Most certainly saved a few other little girls from being raped!

dirtbag piece o shit child rapist! the girl was 5 years old! 5! I mean WTF does anyone find sexual about a 5 year old?

Then again we all know this man was most likely a victim himself at one point. It's all just very fucked up.

Do we know that? We may never know that.

tinaz said:

EvilAngel said:

Then again we all know this man was most likely a victim himself at one point. It's all just very fucked up.

Ive never understood this reasoning... you would think the person would remember how it made them feel and vow not to do it to anyone else... How is this justified in their minds???

My dad beat my ass with a belt more than a few times and I swore id NEVER do anything like that to my children, and I NEVER did!! It was an awful thing for a child to go thru, why would I think it was ok to do it to my children??? I dont get it...

I think its a cop out, a way of trying to get out of the sick behaviour... Its an EXCUSE.

Co-sign.

I don't believe everyone who molests were themselves molested.

EvilAngel said:

Timmy84 said:

There's folks who haven't been molested that still molests so that's kind of a moot point to make.

relatively small percentage.

What is a 'relatively small percentage?"

Where are the numbers?

KingBAD said:

why can't this be law EVERYWHERE???

????

Where would he be prosecuted in the U.S.?

Nowhere I can think of.

There's nothing unique about the law in Texas that let this man be.

johnart said:

This was the most interesting part of the article for me:

Flores, who was in the U.S. legally

How does him being here legally or otherwise have anything to do with anything in this story?

So people don't assume from his surname that he was an illegal immigrant who came here to molest American children.

Sadly it needs to be mentioned.

gollygirl said:

Pedaphilia is more than a sexual urge - it is an evil illness.

As I said - right time & place & it can rear its ugly head again -

an alcoholic is always an alcoholic even if he never takes a sip of alcohol again - he has to totally abstain - and the temptation is always there & given the right situation he can still cave in.

I am not agreeing the man did the right thing in killing this person - & I am sure he regrets he went that far - but the crime was committed by the rapist - not the man -

nobody knows how far you would go.

Unless you are a parent or have had this happen in your family - then it is hard to understand how the rage can bubble over.

That's just BS. I'm neither and I can understand why he killed the man.

There's a reason the law recognizes 'crimes of passion," and makes allowances for them.

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Now according to the article, the father got there in time to stop the attempt.

So the child wasn't actually rape?

Only asking because certain posts on here, are assuming that she got rape.

She got molested before he shot him.

[Edited 6/21/12 17:14pm]

When did he shoot him?

SUPRMAN said:

gollygirl said:

Unless you are a parent or have had this happen in your family - then it is hard to understand how the rage can bubble over.

That's just BS. I'm neither and I can understand why he killed the man.

There's a reason the law recognizes 'crimes of passion," and makes allowances for them.

Of course, most of us can - that comment was made due to some that seem to make excuses - there are NONE

SUPRMAN said:

morningsong said:

Only in Texas. It's sad that man died, the father didn't set out to kill, but catching somebody in the act, I can't say I wouldn't have taken a rock to them.

That would've been premeditated assault with the intent to kill.

The man beat him with his fists when he found him.

That's a passion killing, manslaughter.

This is an excusable homicide even if he did intend to kill. He was certainly right to do everything he could to end the attack. His 911 call suggests he had no intent to kill.

A woman picking up something to get a man off her child, isn't considered just as much a crime of passion?

CarrieMpls said:

I’m am not one to advocate for violence and I don’t believe anyone “deserves” to die. It’s just not in my beliefs.

That said, with what I’ve read about this case, I also believe the grand jury made the correct decision not to prosecute.

He protected his daughter, called for help immediately and witnesses and evidence corroborated his story.

It’s a tragic event all around, absolutely.

ditto this.

i was raped at age five and there arent words for how confusing and terrifying the whole thing is. its certainly tragic but at least there is one less in the world.

pertaining to comments about molestrs: i would like to add that 2 yrs after raping me the guy was arrested for rape and sentenced to prison once he turned 18(he was 16 when he assaulted me). he did 21yrs. was out for 19 months and was again arrested for attempted rape plus robbery and has now been in prison since 1999.

TRUTH!!

they dont change!

paintedlady said:

Despite his anger, he was still compassionate enough to help him.

I would not have wanted this father to go to jail either.

Yeah, the dad was compassionate. Believe me, he did more than I would have done.

morningsong said:

SUPRMAN said:

That would've been premeditated assault with the intent to kill.

The man beat him with his fists when he found him.

That's a passion killing, manslaughter.

This is an excusable homicide even if he did intend to kill. He was certainly right to do everything he could to end the attack. His 911 call suggests he had no intent to kill.

A woman picking up something to get a man off her child, isn't considered just as much a crime of passion?

It will be argued it isn't. She is picking up something with the intent to cause bodily harm and/or death. That's premeditated. If she were running at him screaming and grabbed something without stopping and killed him with it, that I would say is a passion defense, and not premeditated.

She's already in a rage and not stopping to select a weapon of choice but grabbing anything. If it so happened there was a pole or ax or something and she kills him with it, oh well.

Anytime you have to get a weapoon, premeditation becomes a factor. If the father had gone into the barn and used a farm implement on the man, killing him, that's manslaughter at minimum, up to premeditated murder. Because he used only his fist, there is no 'premeditation.'

He simply reacted in an understandably human manner.

Not prosecuting him won't be seen by the community as condoning what he did but more like, "shit happens."

SUPRMAN said:

morningsong said:

A woman picking up something to get a man off her child, isn't considered just as much a crime of passion?

It will be argued it isn't. She is picking up something with the intent to cause bodily harm and/or death. That's premeditated. If she were running at him screaming and grabbed something without stopping and killed him with it, that I would say is a passion defense, and not premeditated.

She's already in a rage and not stopping to select a weapon of choice but grabbing anything. If it so happened there was a pole or ax or something and she kills him with it, oh well.

Anytime you have to get a weapoon, premeditation becomes a factor. If the father had gone into the barn and used a farm implement on the man, killing him, that's manslaughter at minimum, up to premeditated murder. Because he used only his fist, there is no 'premeditation.'

He simply reacted in an understandably human manner.

Not prosecuting him won't be seen by the community as condoning what he did but more like, "shit happens."

Just putting myself in the father's position, and imagining grabbing the first available thing and landing in upside his head. Don't quite picture myself going toe to toe, but what do I know women have been known to lift cars off their loved ones. I just figured it would be instinctual to grab something,

morningsong said:

SUPRMAN said:

It will be argued it isn't. She is picking up something with the intent to cause bodily harm and/or death. That's premeditated. If she were running at him screaming and grabbed something without stopping and killed him with it, that I would say is a passion defense, and not premeditated.

She's already in a rage and not stopping to select a weapon of choice but grabbing anything. If it so happened there was a pole or ax or something and she kills him with it, oh well.

Anytime you have to get a weapoon, premeditation becomes a factor. If the father had gone into the barn and used a farm implement on the man, killing him, that's manslaughter at minimum, up to premeditated murder. Because he used only his fist, there is no 'premeditation.'

He simply reacted in an understandably human manner.

Not prosecuting him won't be seen by the community as condoning what he did but more like, "shit happens."

Just putting myself in the father's position, and imagining grabbing the first available thing and landing in upside his head. Don't quite picture myself going toe to toe, but what do I know women have been known to lift cars off their loved ones. I just figured it would be instinctual to grab something,

There's no proof supporting those claims. Not to mention that it's highly unlikely. Even if adrenalin gives you a huge boost, if you're not used to handling those kinds of weights, you'll tear your tendons.

uPtoWnNY said:

paintedlady said:

Despite his anger, he was still compassionate enough to help him.

I would not have wanted this father to go to jail either.

Yeah, the dad was compassionate. Believe me, he did more than I would have done.

He did more than I would have done also...