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Thread started 05/26/12 5:05am

KingBAD

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TOLD YOU, SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T HAVE A CHOICE...

So,

this woman was a man 'til 5 years ago.

and she ain't no spring chicken eek

Man Admitted to Hospital for Kidney Stone, Discovers He's a Woman

WHAT DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS ARTICLE?

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A Colorado man who was admitted to the hospital for a kidney stone received surprising news when the nurse came back with test results revealing he was actually a woman.

Denver photographer Steve Crecelius said he's felt a little different all his life.

"When I was about 6 years old, I started having these feminine feelings, but that was in the '60s. Wearing my mom's makeup, I thought I looked pretty," Crecelius told ABC News.

So when he went to the emergency room five years ago, he wasn't too shocked when the nurse told him she found traits of both genders in his ultrasound results.

He was intersex, meaning he had both male genitalia and internal female sex organs.

"The nurse is reading the ultrasound and says, 'Huh, this says you're a female,' Crecelius said. "It was very liberating. I had spent so much energy after the age of 13 constantly evaluating how people looked at me and acted towards me."

Steve, who now goes by "Stevie," said his wife and their six children accepted his new identity right away.

"We told them individually. Some were in person and some weren't," Crecelius said. "Every one of them said, 'We don't care one way or the other. We love you for who you are and you're still my dad.'"

Crecelius and his wife, Debbie, have been together for 25 years and she's supported him every step of the way, including taking him to buy his first bra.

She told Crecelius, "You know, when I first saw you, I said to myself, 'He runs like a girl.'"

"I think we were pretty good when she began to mourn the loss of her husband," Crecelius said. "We worked through what we needed to. The concept of unconditional love is a larger story."

Intersex is a term used to describe people who bear both external genitals and internal organs, such as testes and ovaries.

A person with the condition may have male genitals along with fallopian tubes and ovaries.

"The condition used to be called hermaphroditism, meaning that person can't be identified as male or female," Crecelius said.

According to the Intersex Society of North America, more than 1,500 children a year are born intersex.

For Crecelius, he hopes he can be an advocate for those born intersex and same-sex couples.

"I think of bullying, because I haven't heard anyone talk about this. It's important to talk about," Crecelius said. "People need to be accepting and understand. I was born this way, and loving each other and supporting each other will always be the main factor in our household."

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is it disrespectful to still call her a man?

the writer of the article did...

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
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Reply #1 posted 05/26/12 5:46am

Lammastide

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I truly hope she finds happiness and fulfillment in this new, liberated being.

...As far as the sex/gender with which Crecelius should be addressed, I'll only say I try generally to use a person's presenting gender as my guideline until I'm told to do otherwise. I'd use "her
and "she," then.

Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #2 posted 05/26/12 6:29am

Timmy84

I know some intersex people usually refer to prefer to be looked on as women rather than men. I guess it's a preference. Either way, it's quite a beautiful thing when I read these stories and tragic the way they're treated as if they're not human but I got respect for the lady.

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Reply #3 posted 05/26/12 7:34am

Dren5

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I don't think it's disrespectful. Technically, Steve IS both male AND female.

Which is why it's odd to me that he said his wife was mourning the loss of her husband.

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Reply #4 posted 05/26/12 10:29am

ThisOne

i think it must b hard for her and confusing

and i am sure there must be many people like him who dont realise it yet ~ this may be a break through in helping others that are confused about their gender

[Edited 5/26/12 3:33am]

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Reply #5 posted 05/26/12 10:46am

PANDURITO

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Some people have it all. This woman is both genders

And then poor Prince is not a woman, not a man. It's something that we'll never understand sad

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Reply #6 posted 05/26/12 11:03am

ThisOne

PANDURITO said:

Some people have it all. This woman is both genders



And then poor Prince is not a woman, not a man. It's something that we'll never understand sad



lol
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Reply #7 posted 05/26/12 7:41pm

Spinlight

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Lammastide said:

I truly hope she finds happiness and fulfillment in this new, liberated being.

...As far as the sex/gender with which Crecelius should be addressed, I'll only say I try generally to use a person's presenting gender as my guideline until I'm told to do otherwise. I'd use "her
and "she," then.

Indeed. I think that this is always the way to approach things. If people identify a certain way, its disrespectful to call them out of that.

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Reply #8 posted 05/26/12 7:58pm

PANDURITO

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We're all so nice and understanding touched

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Reply #9 posted 05/27/12 3:07am

KingBAD

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I'M TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT...

if she was feelin all fem and shit

why did it take her bein "told" about

this, for her to 'come out' beause

aparently it took no time at all to go

all girl...

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
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Reply #10 posted 05/27/12 4:32am

Timmy84

KingBAD said:

I'M TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT...

if she was feelin all fem and shit

why did it take her bein "told" about

this, for her to 'come out' beause

aparently it took no time at all to go

all girl...

I can imagine she was being told over and over again that she was a boy and that was all there was to it. Also I think maybe her parents were in denial about and tried to raise their child as a boy, even if the person had feminine (which don't necessarily dictate someone's sexuality, I read about femme persons thought to be men who actually dated straight and weren't ashamed of it or "hiding their real sexuality"). So I guess after a minute she felt "well if they say I'm a boy, I'm a boy" and didn't really press on the issue in fear she may get bullied even more for being intersexed.

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Reply #11 posted 05/27/12 5:02am

ThisOne

KingBAD said:

I'M TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT...

if she was feelin all fem and shit

why did it take her bein "told" about

this, for her to 'come out' beause

aparently it took no time at all to go

all girl...

mayb cause she had a penis and she dodnt know what to do with it

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Reply #12 posted 05/30/12 6:15pm

PurpleJedi

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PANDURITO said:

Some people have it all. This woman is both genders

And then poor Prince is not a woman, not a man. It's something that we'll never understand sad

falloff

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Reply #13 posted 05/30/12 6:19pm

PurpleJedi

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I don't understand why the ovaries negate the testicles.

confuse

I mean...he has a penis, and with 6 children, it obviously works.

Then he gets an ultrasound and discovers that there are ovaries inside. Now suddenly "he" is a "she"???

I mean...is the wife "mourning the loss of a husband" because the dude has decided he WANTS to be a woman???

question

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Reply #14 posted 05/30/12 6:37pm

Genesia

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PurpleJedi said:

I don't understand why the ovaries negate the testicles.

confuse

I mean...he has a penis, and with 6 children, it obviously works.

Then he gets an ultrasound and discovers that there are ovaries inside. Now suddenly "he" is a "she"???

I mean...is the wife "mourning the loss of a husband" because the dude has decided he WANTS to be a woman???

question

Yeah, something about this doesn't sound right. I had always heard that people who were true intersex people/hermaphrodites were sterile. confuse

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Reply #15 posted 05/31/12 12:42am

KingBAD

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PurpleJedi said:

I don't understand why the ovaries negate the testicles.

confuse

I mean...he has a penis, and with 6 children, it obviously works.

Then he gets an ultrasound and discovers that there are ovaries inside. Now suddenly "he" is a "she"???

I mean...is the wife "mourning the loss of a husband" because the dude has decided he WANTS to be a woman???

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you whole post...

EXACTLY!!!!

whut the fuck is that about???

she (because they say SHE got girly parts) was a he.

when she was a he, HE was kinda squirley on his lot in life,

then He find out the He is a She and SHE was a SHE in the

time it took to get home to where HE use to live.

and he ain't a she for the looks THAT'S FO DAMN SHO!!!

SO!!!

if he was happy with his wife and kids, why was it so soon

after this discovery the she was a she. and if the arguement for gays

is that they knew from a young age (didn't have a choice)

whut was it that gave this one the choice that she was gonna be

a he until that fateful day???

i hate gettin labled a gay basher/hater/phobic/whutthefuckevah...

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
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Reply #16 posted 05/31/12 1:16am

ThruTheEyesOfW
onder

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Genesia said:

PurpleJedi said:

I don't understand why the ovaries negate the testicles.

confuse

I mean...he has a penis, and with 6 children, it obviously works.

Then he gets an ultrasound and discovers that there are ovaries inside. Now suddenly "he" is a "she"???

I mean...is the wife "mourning the loss of a husband" because the dude has decided he WANTS to be a woman???

question

Yeah, something about this doesn't sound right. I had always heard that people who were true intersex people/hermaphrodites were sterile. confuse

they normally are sterile...unless those 6 kids ain't his.

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Reply #17 posted 05/31/12 4:28am

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Genesia said:

Yeah, something about this doesn't sound right. I had always heard that people who were true intersex people/hermaphrodites were sterile. confuse

they normally are sterile...unless those 6 kids ain't his.

::calling Maury:: call

omfg

hmmm

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