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Thread started 02/26/03 10:14pm

2the9s

World Trade Center Finalist

A design has been chosen for the WTC site.

What do you all think?

http://abcnews.go.com/wir...27_63.html

Libeskind Plan Chosen for WTC Site
Complex of Angular Buildings With Spire Designed by Libeskind Chosen for World Trade Center Site

The Associated Press

A cluster of sloping, angular buildings with a 1,776-foot spire that would be the tallest in the world was chosen Wednesday as the blueprint to redevelop the World Trade Center site, The Associated Press has learned.

Architect Daniel Libeskind's design beat a plan by an international design team known as THINK, which envisioned two 1,665-foot latticework towers straddling the footprints of the original towers, said a source familiar with the selection. An official announcement is expected Thursday.

The choice of the soaring design, which pays homage to the year America declared its independence, was made by a committee of representatives from the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and the offices of the governor and mayor.

Both Gov. George Pataki and Mayor Michael Bloomberg favored the Libeskind plan, an important factor in the decision, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

LMDC Chairman John Whitehead telephoned Libeskind with the news, the source said, telling the architect his "vision has brought hope and inspiration to a city still recovering from a terrible tragedy."

Libeskind, who is based in Berlin, declined comment. The source said he told the LMDC chairman that being selected is "a life-changing experience."

Deciding what to do with the 16-acre site in Lower Manhattan has been wrenching at times. Relatives of the nearly 2,800 people who died at ground zero called for memorials with a sense of respect and grace, while business officials and others said the city cannot afford to lose too much office space.

The Libeskind design called for 70 stories of offices, with airy "gardens of the world" beckoning tourists above office level. It included five starkly geometrical towers and several smaller cultural buildings around the foundations of the fallen towers.

The plan, which may undergo revisions, also called for a Park of Heroes, and a memorial encompassing the footprints of the fallen towers. The spire was designed to house a garden all the way to its top, and not office space, because "gardens are a constant affirmation of life," Libeskind said in December.

He has estimated the cost of building his design at $330 million.

Developer Larry Silverstein, who owns the lease on the trade center site, said earlier this month he was not satisfied with either plan.

Howard Rubenstein, a spokesman for Silverstein, said Wednesday he "has great respect for the architect," and looks forward to working with him to "get this project moving."

Rubenstein said Silverstein had no comment on the elements of the plan.

The design competition was launched after an initial set of plans, released in July, was derided as boring and overstuffed with office space. Nine proposals were unveiled Dec. 18.

The two finalists each featured buildings surpassing Malaysia's 1,483-foot Petronas Twin Towers, the tallest in the world. The World Trade Center towers stood 1,350 feet tall, and would have had to be 35 stories taller to equal Libeskind's spire. A small number of telecommunications towers would still be taller than the spire.

After the two finalists were chosen, both were asked to revise their designs to make them more easily realized. Libeskind, whose original design called for a memorial 70 feet below ground, reportedly changed that to 30 feet, allowing for infrastructure and transportation underneath.

Lee Ielpi, whose firefighter son died in the Sept. 11 attack, praised the design because it preserved much of the sunken area within the twin towers' foundation.

"That land was consecrated by the blood of the people who were lost that day," Ielpi said.

The final plan could be altered to accommodate victims' relatives who don't approve of plans to build parking areas at the base of the 70-foot pit, the source said.

Libeskind, 57, has said he included the sunken space because he was inspired by the immense slurry walls that hold back the Hudson River what he says are the most dramatic elements to survive the terrorist attack. He wanted visitors to be able to visit the hallowed ground in a quiet, meditative space.

Other revisions to the plan were not disclosed Wednesday, but Libeskind's design as presented in December called for a museum in that sunken space, near where he envisioned a memorial will be placed.

A separate competition for a memorial design will begin this spring.

The LMDC was created by Pataki and former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani after Sept. 11 to oversee the rebuilding of the trade center site and downtown Manhattan. The Port Authority owns the site.


Here's a pic:



And here's the site with a slide show of different shots:

http://www.renewnyc.com/p...slide1.asp

sigh

See also: http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=35775



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[This message was edited Wed Feb 26 22:15:50 PST 2003 by 2the9s]
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Reply #1 posted 02/26/03 10:25pm

wellbeyond

I kinda liked the idea of continuously shining those two massive spotlights up into the air, to be honest...

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Reply #2 posted 02/26/03 10:26pm

2the9s

So did I. That's a nice shot.
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Reply #3 posted 02/27/03 1:19am

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The Libeskind design was one of my LEAST favorite entries.
Personally, I liked the Foster Associates solution.
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Reply #4 posted 02/27/03 1:26am

CalhounSq

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I still liked the design that looked like huge "H"'s strung together, but that one didn't make it very far. Oh well... sigh
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Reply #5 posted 02/27/03 1:43am

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Hmmm. I just don't know.

I think I'll have to wait until it's finished... but, I'm glad they are rebuilding. nod

It would have been a shame if we just let it become some sort of memorial park or something like that... rebuilding is good...helps with the healing process.
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Reply #6 posted 02/27/03 4:21am

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Wow, that's great. rolleyes
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Reply #7 posted 02/27/03 4:25am

ian

Bloody architects... always arrogantly telling people what they want instead of listening to what people want. That design for WTC is an eyesore.

Personally I would have either gone for something that would restore the NYC skyline (i.e. the same silhouette as the original twin towers) OR I would have gone for a simple memorial park, with lights shining up to the sky where the towers used to be (like the pic wellbeyond posted).
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Reply #8 posted 02/27/03 6:34am

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i would prefer a park with trees.
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Reply #9 posted 02/27/03 7:11am

HappySunshine

XxAxX said:

i would prefer a park with trees.

ME TOO!
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Reply #10 posted 02/27/03 8:24am

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wellbeyond said:

I kinda liked the idea of continuously shining those two massive spotlights up into the air, to be honest...



Too bad that those two spotlights dont have much office space to rent out. wink
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Reply #11 posted 02/27/03 8:26am

POOK

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soulpower said:

wellbeyond said:

I kinda liked the idea of continuously shining those two massive spotlights up into the air, to be honest...



Too bad that those two spotlights dont have much office space to rent out. wink


THIS NOT A FUNNY THING OK

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Reply #12 posted 02/27/03 8:28am

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POOK said:

soulpower said:

wellbeyond said:

I kinda liked the idea of continuously shining those two massive spotlights up into the air, to be honest...



Too bad that those two spotlights dont have much office space to rent out. wink


THIS NOT A FUNNY THING OK


You are just pissed because you cant climb those two spotlights, Pook! evillol
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Reply #13 posted 02/27/03 8:29am

POOK

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soulpower said:

POOK said:

soulpower said:

wellbeyond said:

I kinda liked the idea of continuously shining those two massive spotlights up into the air, to be honest...



Too bad that those two spotlights dont have much office space to rent out. wink


THIS NOT A FUNNY THING OK


You are just pissed because you cant climb those two spotlights, Pook! evillol


THIS MAN MAKE FUN OF TOWERS

POOK DONE BEING NICE

THIS A SAD THING

SHOW RESPECT

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Reply #14 posted 02/27/03 8:32am

soulpower

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POOK said:

soulpower said:

POOK said:

soulpower said:

wellbeyond said:

I kinda liked the idea of continuously shining those two massive spotlights up into the air, to be honest...



Too bad that those two spotlights dont have much office space to rent out. wink


THIS NOT A FUNNY THING OK


You are just pissed because you cant climb those two spotlights, Pook! evillol


THIS MAN MAKE FUN OF TOWERS

POOK DONE BEING NICE

THIS A SAD THING

SHOW RESPECT



mad I'm havent been making fun of the towers, I am making fun of the spotlights. Most of all I have been making fun of YOU. Learn to read, monkey!
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Reply #15 posted 02/27/03 8:59am

applekisses

soulpower said:

POOK said:

soulpower said:

POOK said:

soulpower said:

wellbeyond said:

I kinda liked the idea of continuously shining those two massive spotlights up into the air, to be honest...



Too bad that those two spotlights dont have much office space to rent out. wink


THIS NOT A FUNNY THING OK


You are just pissed because you cant climb those two spotlights, Pook! evillol


THIS MAN MAKE FUN OF TOWERS

POOK DONE BEING NICE

THIS A SAD THING

SHOW RESPECT



mad I'm havent been making fun of the towers, I am making fun of the spotlights. Most of all I have been making fun of YOU. Learn to read, monkey!


no no no! Now, now...POOK is a sweethart...don't be nasty.
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Reply #16 posted 02/27/03 9:19am

POOK

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soulpower said:

POOK said:

soulpower said:

POOK said:

soulpower said:

wellbeyond said:

I kinda liked the idea of continuously shining those two massive spotlights up into the air, to be honest...



Too bad that those two spotlights dont have much office space to rent out. wink


THIS NOT A FUNNY THING OK


You are just pissed because you cant climb those two spotlights, Pook! evillol


THIS MAN MAKE FUN OF TOWERS

POOK DONE BEING NICE

THIS A SAD THING

SHOW RESPECT



mad I'm havent been making fun of the towers, I am making fun of the spotlights. Most of all I have been making fun of YOU. Learn to read, monkey!


IT NOT NICE TO MAKE FUN OF SPOTLIGHT EITHER

THAT MEMORIAL TO INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DIE

YOU HAVE NO RESPECT

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Reply #17 posted 02/27/03 12:27pm

soulpower

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POOK said:

IT NOT NICE TO MAKE FUN OF SPOTLIGHT EITHER

THAT MEMORIAL TO INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DIE

YOU HAVE NO RESPECT
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lol oh I'm sorry... since I am German I shouldnt even be allowed to mention the sacred letters ... WTC... ouch! Now seriously, your country is not even going after the man who is supposed to be responsible for taking down the towers, so why should one take a "memorial" seriously that is not even coming from heart?
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Reply #18 posted 02/27/03 12:35pm

Lleena

Regardless of your personal politics, these people "deserve" a memorial. It will be "heartfelt" for the families and friends of those who lost thier lives.


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Reply #19 posted 02/27/03 12:44pm

soulpower

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Lleena said:

Regardless of your personal politics, these people "deserve" a memorial. It will be "heartfelt" for the families and friends of those who lost thier lives.


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I am not saying that they dont. I too have lost someone on 9/11 who I have loved. But I know that this someone would have looked at this memorial with scepticism, because in the name of the dead and this memorial his government killed thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan and will kill even more in Iraq. And none of those victims will ever have a memorial like this dedicated to their names. Why should the victims of 9/11 "deserve" a memorial, and the others dont? I am just sick of those double-standards. You know what I'm saying?
The people of NY that I am friends with would like the memorial issue to be over with and move on.
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Reply #20 posted 02/27/03 1:16pm

Lleena

soulpower said:

Lleena said:

Regardless of your personal politics, these people "deserve" a memorial. It will be "heartfelt" for the families and friends of those who lost thier lives.


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I am not saying that they dont. I too have lost someone on 9/11 who I have loved. But I know that this someone would have looked at this memorial with scepticism, because in the name of the dead and this memorial his government killed thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan and will kill even more in Iraq. And none of those victims will ever have a memorial like this dedicated to their names. Why should the victims of 9/11 "deserve" a memorial, and the others dont? I am just sick of those double-standards. You know what I'm saying?
The people of NY that I am friends with would like the memorial issue to be over with and move on.



It is not about the people of NY deserving a memorial and other innocent victims of terror/war not deserving one. It is about respecting the loss of life. The innocent people who died in Afghanistan are no less worthy of our respect. They deserve to be remembered in the same way.
I am against the war in Iraq precisely for the reasons you mentioned.
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Reply #21 posted 02/27/03 2:47pm

bkw

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Yep, this threads seems to be going well. rolleyes
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Reply #22 posted 02/27/03 2:51pm

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bkw said:

Yep, this threads seems to be going well. rolleyes

I quite liked the bit were a human and a monkey argued over the spotlight. hmm
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Reply #23 posted 02/27/03 2:53pm

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althom said:

bkw said:

Yep, this threads seems to be going well. rolleyes

I quite liked the bit were a human and a monkey argued over the spotlight. hmm

Would you bother to even give it one star?
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Reply #24 posted 02/27/03 3:08pm

2the9s

althom said:

bkw said:

Yep, this threads seems to be going well. rolleyes

I quite liked the bit were a human and a monkey argued over the spotlight. hmm


LMAO! lol
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Reply #25 posted 02/28/03 6:57am

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I also wish the light towers could have stayed forever. I personally can’t imagine anything more simple, beautiful and symbolic than those ghostly pillars shining without end into heaven.

I guess it all comes down to real estate profitability, though... The light towers, installed for only $500,000, would cost NY a measly $500 per night to illuminate plus miscellaneous maintenance expenses, I read. That’s incrediblycheap, but the New York Battery Park landowners want the lot back to rebuild something they can make monstrous revenues on (Can you just imagine what the rent at the WTC must be?), plus there were a couple other stated concerns:

1. Overcrowding in the surrounding Battery Park by people coming to see the memorial, and;
2. Concerns the lights would interrupt the migration patterns of birds, causing their death.

I wish the lights could have stayed, but “ ‘all good things,’ they say, ‘never last.’”

The winning design is fair, but one thing I think is really cool is how there will be no shadows in the Center's concourse between the start and stop times of the tragedy on the anniversary of Sept. 11. That's architectural genius!
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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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