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SUPRMAN

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The useless villiain speech

Inspired by a scene in 'The Avengers,' in which a villian's speech is abruptly cut short by The Hulk.

Why would a villian bother explaining their plan, their beliefs and/or their philosophy(ies)?

If I'm going to kill you, why does it even matter? Tell you to satisfy your curiosity or transmit to someone else via a device you have on your person?

It's a very frustrating feature of action films that never ceases to irritate.

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Reply #1 posted 05/06/12 12:02pm

Ace

I just want some sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads! mad

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Reply #2 posted 05/06/12 12:41pm

SavonOsco

It's called "monolouge-ing"

I learned that from the movie "The Incredibles"...lol
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Reply #3 posted 05/06/12 12:49pm

Terrib3Towel

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SUPRMAN said:

Inspired by a scene in 'The Avengers,' in which a villian's speech is abruptly cut short by The Hulk.

Why would a villian bother explaining their plan, their beliefs and/or their philosophy(ies)?

If I'm going to kill you, why does it even matter? Tell you to satisfy your curiosity or transmit to someone else via a device you have on your person?

It's a very frustrating feature of action films that never ceases to irritate.

falloff

Great question. If the villians would shut the fuck up maybe they would actually win!

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Reply #4 posted 05/06/12 12:54pm

728huey

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SUPRMAN said:

Inspired by a scene in 'The Avengers,' in which a villian's speech is abruptly cut short by The Hulk.

Why would a villian bother explaining their plan, their beliefs and/or their philosophy(ies)?

If I'm going to kill you, why does it even matter? Tell you to satisfy your curiosity or transmit to someone else via a device you have on your person?

It's a very frustrating feature of action films that never ceases to irritate.

It reminded of of a scene in Austin Powers where Dr. Evil captured Austin Powers and kept him in a cell where he went off on some long speech about how he was going to destroy Austin Powers and lauch his huge attack against the world, and his son Scott chimed in and said, "Can we just kill him now? It's really easy; just two shots to the head." Or course, Dr. Evil gets pissed off at Scott for interrupting him. pissed blahblah

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Reply #5 posted 05/06/12 1:58pm

KingBAD

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SUPRMAN said:

Inspired by a scene in 'The Avengers,' in which a villian's speech is abruptly cut short by The Hulk.

Why would a villian bother explaining their plan, their beliefs and/or their philosophy(ies)?

If I'm going to kill you, why does it even matter? Tell you to satisfy your curiosity or transmit to someone else via a device you have on your person?

It's a very frustrating feature of action films that never ceases to irritate.

why funny you should ask,

ordinarily i would kill you now and be done with it

but then you will have missed the intricate plannin

of this my most devistatin endevor EVER

so know now that in the next few minits whilst i

tell you of this i will be disposin of any hopes

you may have had of savin this piddly plane...

AH SHIT!!!

WHO THE FUCK FORGOT TO TAKE AWAY

WEAPONS AND LOCK THE FUCKIN DOORS???

now is a good time to make me escape then.... lol

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
STOP ME IF YOU HEARD THIS BEFORE...
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Reply #6 posted 05/06/12 2:29pm

Gunsnhalen

That is something i always wondered to confused

In the time the villian tells his/her plan they could have killed the hero, gotten away with it & bought a fat burger lol

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

Datdonkeydick- Asherfierce

Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive
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Reply #7 posted 05/06/12 2:34pm

AsherFierce

Nuh-uh. If I went through all that planning, I'mma let you know the intricacies of coniving and devastating plan and how yo' ass fell for it. You think I'mma kill you just like that. Where's the fun in that? no no no! lol A villain's gotta showboat. cool evil

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Reply #8 posted 05/06/12 2:40pm

Gunsnhalen

AsherFierce said:

Nuh-uh. If I went through all that planning, I'mma let you know the intricacies of coniving and devastating plan and how yo' ass fell for it. You think I'mma kill you just like that. Where's the fun in that? no no no! lol A villain's gotta showboat. cool evil

You been hanging around bey bey to much asher! lol hug

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

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Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive
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Reply #9 posted 05/06/12 2:42pm

RodeoSchro

To make you feel even better when the villian gets theirs.

A better question is, how come chicks always drop to the floor and cry after they think they've killed the machete-weilding madman, when clearly the madman isn't dead yet?

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Reply #10 posted 05/06/12 2:44pm

JoeTyler

It's a device, a tool, used by the screenwriter to transmit info to the audience. Personally, I think it's a mistake; and it's even more offending when the villain uses the pompous "look how smart I am" tone ... while the hero is secretly reaching for his gun or something like that rolleyes

"Ahh Mr.Bond, before I kill you, let me explain to you the flawless nature of my glorious plan..." barf

not surprisingly, many of my fav action movies don't feature this kind of speech at all, and not coincidentally, many of the best Bond movies don't have it either...

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Reply #11 posted 05/06/12 2:48pm

AsherFierce

Gunsnhalen said:

AsherFierce said:

Nuh-uh. If I went through all that planning, I'mma let you know the intricacies of coniving and devastating plan and how yo' ass fell for it. You think I'mma kill you just like that. Where's the fun in that? no no no! lol A villain's gotta showboat. cool evil

You been hanging around bey bey to much asher! lol hug

Damn right. Hova too. cool lol

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Reply #12 posted 05/06/12 2:56pm

NDRU

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Terrib3Towel said:

SUPRMAN said:

Inspired by a scene in 'The Avengers,' in which a villian's speech is abruptly cut short by The Hulk.

Why would a villian bother explaining their plan, their beliefs and/or their philosophy(ies)?

If I'm going to kill you, why does it even matter? Tell you to satisfy your curiosity or transmit to someone else via a device you have on your person?

It's a very frustrating feature of action films that never ceases to irritate.

falloff

Great question. If the villians would shut the fuck up maybe they would actually win!

And that is why someone always has to write a villain speech

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Reply #13 posted 05/06/12 4:23pm

kewlschool

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99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
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Reply #14 posted 05/06/12 4:27pm

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KingBAD said:

SUPRMAN said:

Inspired by a scene in 'The Avengers,' in which a villian's speech is abruptly cut short by The Hulk.

Why would a villian bother explaining their plan, their beliefs and/or their philosophy(ies)?

If I'm going to kill you, why does it even matter? Tell you to satisfy your curiosity or transmit to someone else via a device you have on your person?

It's a very frustrating feature of action films that never ceases to irritate.

why funny you should ask,

ordinarily i would kill you now and be done with it

but then you will have missed the intricate plannin

of this my most devistatin endevor EVER

so know now that in the next few minits whilst i

tell you of this i will be disposin of any hopes

you may have had of savin this piddly plane...

AH SHIT!!!

WHO THE FUCK FORGOT TO TAKE AWAY HIS

WEAPONS AND LOCK THE FUCKIN DOORS???

now is a good time to make me escape then.... lol

nobody does it better than me...

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
STOP ME IF YOU HEARD THIS BEFORE...
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Reply #15 posted 05/06/12 5:07pm

babynoz

Well, when you think about it, real life villians do ths an awful lot too, People like Bin Laden, Castro, Ak-men-dinner-jad, etc. yammer on quite a bit. I think it has something to do with the megalomania personality. Few villians are as reticent and Dick Cheney, lol

It's annoying in movies because the way they do the scenes is so corny and formulaic.

What irks me more is the scene where the damsel always has to fall down at the worst possible moment...they don't use that one as much anymore.

I think the absolute WORST is when the hero and heroine are moments away from certain death and they decide it's a good time to pause from their dire circumstances for some kissy face, pillow talk and screwing....that really pisses me off every time and I always end up yelling at the screen, "OHFERCRYINOUTLOUD! get on with the damn story already!" mad

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Reply #16 posted 05/06/12 5:13pm

Visionnaire

Most villain's speeches are a cry for help.
They pretend that they want to take over the world,
but the truth is,
they know that if they're smart enough to conceive the intricate steps that make up the myriad structure of their "master plan",
then they're smart to realize that the world under their rule (or under any villains rule) would simply just not work. Ruling the entire world takes alot out of a person. Heck, look how every president that's holds office in the U.S. always ages twenty years within a four-year term. Can you imagine what being in charge of the an entire worldwide community can do to a body?
It's all a subconscious pipe dream. And every villain seeking global domination knows it.
I think that, deep down inside, they just want to see how close they can come to fulfilling their fiendish schemes, in the hopes that, at the last minute, somebody will be able to put a stop to it all.
The long windedness of their soliloquies is a sign that they don't truly desire the world's population to be writhing under their iron rule. What they want, really want, is for someone to save them from themselves.

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Reply #17 posted 05/06/12 5:22pm

babynoz

Visionnaire said:

Most villain's speeches are a cry for help.
They pretend that they want to take over the world,
but the truth is,
they know that if they're smart enough to conceive the intricate steps that make up the myriad structure of their "master plan",
then they're smart to realize that the world under their rule (or under any villains rule) would simply just not work. Ruling the entire world takes alot out of a person. Heck, look how every president that's holds office in the U.S. always ages twenty years within a four-year term. Can you imagine what being in charge of the an entire worldwide community can do to a body?
It's all a subconscious pipe dream. And every villain seeking global domination knows it.
I think that, deep down inside, they just want to see how close they can come to fulfilling their fiendish schemes, in the hopes that, at the last minute, somebody will be able to put a stop to it all.
The long windedness of their soliloquies is a sign that they don't truly desire the world's population to be writhing under their iron rule. What they want, really want, is for someone to save them from themselves.

Except for Cheney...I think he's dead serious, lol

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Reply #18 posted 05/06/12 5:33pm

728huey

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Visionnaire said:

Most villain's speeches are a cry for help.
They pretend that they want to take over the world,
but the truth is,
they know that if they're smart enough to conceive the intricate steps that make up the myriad structure of their "master plan",
then they're smart to realize that the world under their rule (or under any villains rule) would simply just not work. Ruling the entire world takes alot out of a person. Heck, look how every president that's holds office in the U.S. always ages twenty years within a four-year term. Can you imagine what being in charge of the an entire worldwide community can do to a body?
It's all a subconscious pipe dream. And every villain seeking global domination knows it.
I think that, deep down inside, they just want to see how close they can come to fulfilling their fiendish schemes, in the hopes that, at the last minute, somebody will be able to put a stop to it all.
The long windedness of their soliloquies is a sign that they don't truly desire the world's population to be writhing under their iron rule. What they want, really want, is for someone to save them from themselves.

That was sort of the whole plot of Megamind. Will Ferrell voiced the title character, who was plotting to take over Metro City and defat the much-loved superhero Metro Man. Megamind set up a trap to get Metro Man blown up with a death ray, and it worked, but not because he killed Metro man but because Metro Man was tired of being a superhero and wanted to become a singer, so he faked his own death. Megamind then took over Metro City, but the place went to hell under his watch, and without an enemy to give him inspiration, he became disillusioned and depressed. So he comes up with a plan to inject a serum made of Metro Man's DNA to create a new superhero that would fgiht him, but it gets injected into a nenerdy camerman, who becomes obsessed with his new power and turns into an evil villain. Megamind then has to save the city.

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Reply #19 posted 05/06/12 8:27pm

mzsadii

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Same reason the dumb woman runs into the dark room when being chased by the axe murderer. They know we will continue to watch the same dumb scenes, I also go for popcorn about that time.

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Reply #20 posted 05/07/12 7:16am

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babynoz said:

Well, when you think about it, real life villians do ths an awful lot too, People like Bin Laden, Castro, Ak-men-dinner-jad, etc. yammer on quite a bit. I think it has something to do with the megalomania personality. Few villians are as reticent and Dick Cheney, lol

It's annoying in movies because the way they do the scenes is so corny and formulaic.

What irks me more is the scene where the damsel always has to fall down at the worst possible moment...they don't use that one as much anymore.

I think the absolute WORST is when the hero and heroine are moments away from certain death and they decide it's a good time to pause from their dire circumstances for some kissy face, pillow talk and screwing....that really pisses me off every time and I always end up yelling at the screen, "OHFERCRYINOUTLOUD! get on with the damn story already!" mad

Hell yeah! Whern they have 60 seconds to clear the building but the two of them stop, confess, kiss, hug etc seemingly oblivious to their own peril. It such cases, I would really expect one of them to die to make the scene matter.

Of course they escape the massive explosion by outrunning flying debris and even though the concussive force may throw them a few dozen feet, it doesn't amazingly liquefy their lungs or brains and other soft tissue.

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Reply #21 posted 05/07/12 9:33am

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JoeTyler said:

It's a device, a tool, used by the screenwriter to transmit info to the audience. Personally, I think it's a mistake; and it's even more offending when the villain uses the pompous "look how smart I am" tone ... while the hero is secretly reaching for his gun or something like that rolleyes

"Ahh Mr.Bond, before I kill you, let me explain to you the flawless nature of my glorious plan..." barf

not surprisingly, many of my fav action movies don't feature this kind of speech at all, and not coincidentally, many of the best Bond movies don't have it either...

[Edited 5/6/12 18:36pm]

yep. that's what i was going to say. plot device, like a recap, a summary to wrap things up for thye reader/viewer.

also, it gives the hero a chance to work his/her way free from whatever form of bondage the bad guy may have used, turn the tables and allow good to triumph over evil.

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Reply #22 posted 05/07/12 5:51pm

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XxAxX said:

JoeTyler said:

It's a device, a tool, used by the screenwriter to transmit info to the audience. Personally, I think it's a mistake; and it's even more offending when the villain uses the pompous "look how smart I am" tone ... while the hero is secretly reaching for his gun or something like that rolleyes

"Ahh Mr.Bond, before I kill you, let me explain to you the flawless nature of my glorious plan..." barf

not surprisingly, many of my fav action movies don't feature this kind of speech at all, and not coincidentally, many of the best Bond movies don't have it either...

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yep. that's what i was going to say. plot device, like a recap, a summary to wrap things up for thye reader/viewer.

also, it gives the hero a chance to work his/her way free from whatever form of bondage the bad guy may have used, turn the tables and allow good to triumph over evil.

In a book? I hope not. Much better ways to provide the reader with than information in a book.

In a movie, it should be done a lot better. Share it with a sidekick before you capture the hero. Why someone who is about to die really needs to know what they're about to miss . . . .

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Reply #23 posted 05/08/12 3:51am

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SUPRMAN said:

XxAxX said:

yep. that's what i was going to say. plot device, like a recap, a summary to wrap things up for thye reader/viewer.

also, it gives the hero a chance to work his/her way free from whatever form of bondage the bad guy may have used, turn the tables and allow good to triumph over evil.

In a book? I hope not. Much better ways to provide the reader with than information in a book.

In a movie, it should be done a lot better. Share it with a sidekick before you capture the hero. Why someone who is about to die really needs to know what they're about to miss . . . .

i know! i know! alas, i've read some books/seen some movies where the project just wouldn't come together without the villain/ess standing up and explaining (usually at length) just how and why the whole thing came about. oh well

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Reply #24 posted 05/08/12 4:08am

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These days what I find even worse is the 'villain throw'. They have the hero in their grasp and can do any number of things e.g. strangle them to death, jam their head against a frame and slam the door on their neck, bend their spin over a knee etc, but instead the villain elects to just "throw" the hero around. He will throw him over here, and then over there, and then reaches for the hero and oh, look out, he's just shoved a corkscrew he got off the floor where you threw him right into your fucking eye. It's such crap and feels slightly like deus ex machina.

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Reply #25 posted 05/08/12 4:18am

ThisOne

what i dont get about villains is how -

. they employ hundreds of ppl (all with the same faces that repeatedly die in movies)

. own very expenses houses and cars

- are very vey wealthy

. usually date hot ppl

. put all their money towards destruction so that they can get more money or the same money that they put toward destruction confused

and with all that they want more????? more what i say!!!!!! confuse

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Reply #26 posted 05/08/12 5:15pm

morningsong

How else are we suppose to know how overblotted and self-deluded they are. Okay stop making me think about that scene I'm getting the giggles again.

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Reply #27 posted 05/08/12 5:47pm

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JoeTyler said:

It's a device, a tool, used by the screenwriter to transmit info to the audience. Personally, I think it's a mistake; and it's even more offending when the villain uses the pompous "look how smart I am" tone ... while the hero is secretly reaching for his gun or something like that rolleyes



"Ahh Mr.Bond, before I kill you, let me explain to you the flawless nature of my glorious plan..." barf



not surprisingly, many of my fav action movies don't feature this kind of speech at all, and not coincidentally, many of the best Bond movies don't have it either...



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Would you agree its primarily the villains motivations that are conveyed? Usually to clear it up for those who weren't able to infer them from plot, actions, and reactions.

Somewhat like a "pointer scene.". Since some will miss some details here and there, before a complicated scene, a plan is conveyed to players allowing the audience a heads up so they can follow what will happen easier. I.e. heist movie blueprint/schematic scene...like that dinero/norton movie....or star wars with Mon Mothma and admiral ackbar. My cinema teacher told me this and i watched star wars 6 comentary today it was in there.
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