I had no clue about this...

http://guerillaarts.ning....opic:12461

I found this that says it isn't true though :

http://www.snopes.com/pol...matrix.asp

I just found out about it a day or so ago.

But, the producers and the studio initially tried to get the case thrown out for years to no avail, and even broke down at one point and offered her a monetary settlement if she'd drop the whole thing.

Not only that, the FBI investigated early on and actually found out there was enough evidence there to warrant a case.

So I wouldn't be so quick to assume she was bullshitting anymore, really.

The case was ultimately thrown out because her lawyers were dragging their feet on it (threatened by the studio, maybe?).

Here's a real case about The Terminator that I already knew about:

Writer Harlan Ellison stated that he "loved the movie, was just blown away by it",^[45] but believed that the screenplay was based on an episode of The Outer Limits he had written, titled "Soldier".^[46] Orion gave Ellison an undisclosed amount of money and an acknowledgment credit in later prints of the film.^[46] Some accounts of the settlement state that "Demon with a Glass Hand", another Outer Limitsepisode written by Ellison, was also claimed to have been plagiarized by the film,^{[45][47][48][49][50]} but Ellison has explicitly stated that The Terminator "was a ripoff" of "Soldier" rather than "Demon with a Glass Hand".^[46]

Cameron was against Orion's decision and was told that if he did not agree with the settlement, they would have Cameron pay for any damages if Orion lost Ellison's suit.^[47] Cameron replied that he "had no choice but to agree with the settlement. Of course there was a gag order as well, so I couldn't tell this story, but now I frankly don't care. It's the truth. Harlan Ellison is a parasite who can kiss my ass."^[47][51]

But you know what what? Cameron has never ever been known as an originator! Many many elements of his movies are reworkings of good elements from older movies or stories (including emtional moments). That's how he puts together his stories. I think it's valid, because many people work this way. I just think it can be a little bit sickening like when parts of The Abyss just seem like Close Encounters (but under the sea). That's why the ending of that movie really falls flat for me.

[Edited 5/1/12 9:26am]

ufoclub said:

Hate Avatar all you want, but unobtanium is a term that's been used by VERY INTELLIGENT scientists for decades. James Cameron didn't make up the word.

BobGeorge909 said:

Why would the atty's be dragging their feet if the claim was credible, and with the possible layoff.

If goons sent out by the studios were scaring the shit out of them and encouraging to throw a wrench in Stewart's case...I'm pretty sure most folks would go along with that.

Survival instinct is stronger than the desire for money.

ufoclub said:

Here's a real case about The Terminator that I already knew about:

Writer Harlan Ellison stated that he "loved the movie, was just blown away by it",^[45] but believed that the screenplay was based on an episode of The Outer Limits he had written, titled "Soldier".^[46] Orion gave Ellison an undisclosed amount of money and an acknowledgment credit in later prints of the film.^[46] Some accounts of the settlement state that "Demon with a Glass Hand", another Outer Limitsepisode written by Ellison, was also claimed to have been plagiarized by the film,^{[45][47][48][49][50]} but Ellison has explicitly stated that The Terminator "was a ripoff" of "Soldier" rather than "Demon with a Glass Hand".^[46]

Cameron was against Orion's decision and was told that if he did not agree with the settlement, they would have Cameron pay for any damages if Orion lost Ellison's suit.^[47] Cameron replied that he "had no choice but to agree with the settlement. Of course there was a gag order as well, so I couldn't tell this story, but now I frankly don't care. It's the truth. Harlan Ellison is a parasite who can kiss my ass."^[47][51]

But you know what what? Cameron has never ever been known as an originator! Many many elements of his movies are reworkings of good elements from older movies or stories (including emtional moments). That's how he puts together his stories. I think it's valid, because many people work this way. I just think it can be a little bit sickening like when parts of The Abyss just seem like Close Encounters (but under the sea). That's why the ending of that movie really falls flat for me.

[Edited 5/1/12 9:26am]

Yeah, this I know about, and it's why he (Cameron) had to put 'acknowledgment to the works of Harlan Ellison' in the credits of the first Terminator movie.

Having said that, it doesn't prove anything - he could've stole ideas form multiple sources, and again, considering how the FBI even investigated and had to admit the woman appeared to be telling the truth...I think there's a real possibility that Stewart's claims are a 'real case', too.

But no, I don't think she'll ever get her money and the credit she deserves. And I think that if hell froze over and she did, she'd turn up missing shortly thereafter because the film companies are owned by powerful people who would stand to lose a lot of money if she won.

Dren5 said:

I just found out about it a day or so ago.

But, the producers and the studio initially tried to get the case thrown out for years to no avail, and even broke down at one point and offered her a monetary settlement if she'd drop the whole thing.

Not only that, the FBI investigated early on and actually found out there was enough evidence there to warrant a case.

So I wouldn't be so quick to assume she was bullshitting anymore, really.

The case was ultimately thrown out because her lawyers were dragging their feet on it (threatened by the studio, maybe?).

My ex did an interview with her years ago, if he still has it I'll post it

Dren5 said:

I just found out about it a day or so ago.

But, the producers and the studio initially tried to get the case thrown out for years to no avail, and even broke down at one point and offered her a monetary settlement if she'd drop the whole thing.

Not only that, the FBI investigated early on and actually found out there was enough evidence there to warrant a case.

So I wouldn't be so quick to assume she was bullshitting anymore, really.

The case was ultimately thrown out because her lawyers were dragging their feet on it (threatened by the studio, maybe?).

That's call malpractice and opens the attorneys to being sued by the client.

I doubt that is what happened.

Dren5 said:

ufoclub said:

Here's a real case about The Terminator that I already knew about:

Writer Harlan Ellison stated that he "loved the movie, was just blown away by it",^[45] but believed that the screenplay was based on an episode of The Outer Limits he had written, titled "Soldier".^[46] Orion gave Ellison an undisclosed amount of money and an acknowledgment credit in later prints of the film.^[46] Some accounts of the settlement state that "Demon with a Glass Hand", another Outer Limitsepisode written by Ellison, was also claimed to have been plagiarized by the film,^{[45][47][48][49][50]} but Ellison has explicitly stated that The Terminator "was a ripoff" of "Soldier" rather than "Demon with a Glass Hand".^[46]

Cameron was against Orion's decision and was told that if he did not agree with the settlement, they would have Cameron pay for any damages if Orion lost Ellison's suit.^[47] Cameron replied that he "had no choice but to agree with the settlement. Of course there was a gag order as well, so I couldn't tell this story, but now I frankly don't care. It's the truth. Harlan Ellison is a parasite who can kiss my ass."^[47][51]

But you know what what? Cameron has never ever been known as an originator! Many many elements of his movies are reworkings of good elements from older movies or stories (including emtional moments). That's how he puts together his stories. I think it's valid, because many people work this way. I just think it can be a little bit sickening like when parts of The Abyss just seem like Close Encounters (but under the sea). That's why the ending of that movie really falls flat for me.

[Edited 5/1/12 9:26am]

Yeah, this I know about, and it's why he (Cameron) had to put 'acknowledgment to the works of Harlan Ellison' in the credits of the first Terminator movie.

Having said that, it doesn't prove anything - he could've stole ideas form multiple sources, and again, considering how the FBI even investigated and had to admit the woman appeared to be telling the truth...I think there's a real possibility that Stewart's claims are a 'real case', too.

But no, I don't think she'll ever get her money and the credit she deserves. And I think that if hell froze over and she did, she'd turn up missing shortly thereafter because the film companies are owned by powerful people who would stand to lose a lot of money if she won.

How would they lose money?

The studios wouldn't owe her anything even if she won.

The royalties that she would be due do not go to the studio.

In Hollywood everybody steals from everybody else. You really have to be careful about whom you share your work with or who you meet to pitch a project or story. If they can take it from you, they will.

SUPRMAN said:

Dren5 said:

I just found out about it a day or so ago.

But, the producers and the studio initially tried to get the case thrown out for years to no avail, and even broke down at one point and offered her a monetary settlement if she'd drop the whole thing.

Not only that, the FBI investigated early on and actually found out there was enough evidence there to warrant a case.

So I wouldn't be so quick to assume she was bullshitting anymore, really.

The case was ultimately thrown out because her lawyers were dragging their feet on it (threatened by the studio, maybe?).

That's call malpractice and opens the attorneys to being sued by the client.

I doubt that is what happened.

That's exactly what happened and last I read, she WAS taking them to court for it.

SUPRMAN said:

Dren5 said:

Yeah, this I know about, and it's why he (Cameron) had to put 'acknowledgment to the works of Harlan Ellison' in the credits of the first Terminator movie.

Having said that, it doesn't prove anything - he could've stole ideas form multiple sources, and again, considering how the FBI even investigated and had to admit the woman appeared to be telling the truth...I think there's a real possibility that Stewart's claims are a 'real case', too.

But no, I don't think she'll ever get her money and the credit she deserves. And I think that if hell froze over and she did, she'd turn up missing shortly thereafter because the film companies are owned by powerful people who would stand to lose a lot of money if she won.

How would they lose money?

The studios wouldn't owe her anything even if she won.

The royalties that she would be due do not go to the studio.

Now that, I didn't know.

Either way, if she won, a lot of people stood to lose - whoever would've gotten the royalties that ended up going to her, would be out of a LOT of money - and I do mean alot, we all know both movies grossed a shitload of money.

It says something that both the studios and the directors and producers of both films tried everything they could to prevent the case from even getting to court in the first place, much less succeeding. And that's because they'd all have a lot to lose if she won.

nammie said:

Dren5 said:

I just found out about it a day or so ago.

But, the producers and the studio initially tried to get the case thrown out for years to no avail, and even broke down at one point and offered her a monetary settlement if she'd drop the whole thing.

Not only that, the FBI investigated early on and actually found out there was enough evidence there to warrant a case.

So I wouldn't be so quick to assume she was bullshitting anymore, really.

The case was ultimately thrown out because her lawyers were dragging their feet on it (threatened by the studio, maybe?).

My ex did an interview with her years ago, if he still has it I'll post it

Here is the link to his podcast with the interview he did with her in 2007

http://sabatogeissick.podomatic.com/entry/eg/2007-07-18T13_11_30-07_00

date change edit

[Edited 5/2/12 17:59pm]

Dren5 said:

SUPRMAN said:

How would they lose money?

The studios wouldn't owe her anything even if she won.

The royalties that she would be due do not go to the studio.

Now that, I didn't know.

Either way, if she won, a lot of people stood to lose - whoever would've gotten the royalties that ended up going to her, would be out of a LOT of money - and I do mean alot, we all know both movies grossed a shitload of money.

It says something that both the studios and the directors and producers of both films tried everything they could to prevent the case from even getting to court in the first place, much less succeeding. And that's because they'd all have a lot to lose if she won.

The royalties she is claiming a portion of would go to whomever received filmwriting credit.

Not the studio, not the director nor producer unless the producer and/or director are also listed as screenwriters.

The studio is not liable for whom is credited on a film. They market and distrubute a production created by others.