Timmy84 said:

So when guy was criticizing the draft, the best retort Stern had was a personal question? Then again, when it comes to shit like this, I shouldn't be surprised because they do it ALL the time trying to humilate your ass.

What is he supposed 2 do? I'd say there was a 99% chance this draft was fixed 2 reward the new buyer of that franchise. U buy the team, I promise u the 1st pick.

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:

So when guy was criticizing the draft, the best retort Stern had was a personal question? Then again, when it comes to shit like this, I shouldn't be surprised because they do it ALL the time trying to humilate your ass.

What is he supposed 2 do? I'd say there was a 99% chance this draft was fixed 2 reward the new buyer of that franchise. U buy the team, I promise u the 1st pick.

Leave the commission to someone else.

Graycap23 said:

Lol.................I love the commish q 2 Rome. Rome is a chump.

Remember that time Jim Everette kicked his ass on the show?

I'll never let Jim off the hook 4 that one. It was GREAT!

He didn't kick his ass. He pushed a table out of the way and sissy pushed Jim Rome, who was already going down, to the ground. That was no kind of ass kicking. Not in this universe or any other. And Jim Everett was acting like a whining pussy from the word go.

I'll say this again; Jim Rome has ALWAYS asked the difficult questions that most soft journalists will never get close to. He is not a chump. He does his job very well.

uPtoWnNY said:

David Stern is a fucking clown and overrated as a commissioner. That is all...

No way. The NBA wasn't 1/5 of the league it is today before he took over as commissioner. He's grown the NBA to heights nobody predicted would be possible. Unfortunately, the last few years are forever going to tarnish everything he did in the first twenty.

BTW, Adam Silver, the guy who sits next to Stern in all of his big press conferences, is pretty much guaranteed to be the next Commissioner. Stern has said he'll be gone sooner than later.

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:

So when guy was criticizing the draft, the best retort Stern had was a personal question? Then again, when it comes to shit like this, I shouldn't be surprised because they do it ALL the time trying to humilate your ass.

What is he supposed 2 do? I'd say there was a 99% chance this draft was fixed 2 reward the new buyer of that franchise. U buy the team, I promise u the 1st pick.

Exactly what the guy said in the article. No, no and no again.

Cerebus said:

uPtoWnNY said:

David Stern is a fucking clown and overrated as a commissioner. That is all...

No way. The NBA wasn't 1/5 of the league it is today before he took over as commissioner. He's grown the NBA to heights nobody predicted would be possible. Unfortunately, the last few years are forever going to tarnish everything he did in the first twenty.

BTW, Adam Silver, the guy who sits next to Stern in all of his big press conferences, is pretty much guaranteed to be the next Commissioner. Stern has said he'll be gone sooner than later.

Yeah. Stern hasn't really done a good job in the last few years as a commissioner. It's kinda sad. He helped to bring the NBA as you said to heights that hadn't been reached before he became the commissioner but his latest actions don't favor anyone. He probably won't be missed as much when he finally does leave his position.

IMO, Magic, Larry & Michael did more to raise the NBA than 'Spin Doctor' Stern.

uPtoWnNY said:

IMO, Magic, Larry & Michael did more to raise the NBA than 'Spin Doctor' Stern.

TRUE!

How old is Stern? I've been looking at his ass ever since I was 9! He needs to retire or something.

Timmy84 said:

Cerebus said:

No way. The NBA wasn't 1/5 of the league it is today before he took over as commissioner. He's grown the NBA to heights nobody predicted would be possible. Unfortunately, the last few years are forever going to tarnish everything he did in the first twenty.

BTW, Adam Silver, the guy who sits next to Stern in all of his big press conferences, is pretty much guaranteed to be the next Commissioner. Stern has said he'll be gone sooner than later.

Yeah. Stern hasn't really done a good job in the last few years as a commissioner. It's kinda sad. He helped to bring the NBA as you said to heights that hadn't been reached before he became the commissioner but his latest actions don't favor anyone. He probably won't be missed as much when he finally does leave his position.

He moved to far to the side of the owners. For a long time he did a great job of stradling the middle between the players and owners while still growing tv interest/revenue, increasing attendance, player salaries, endorsement deals (for players and the league), overseas interest AND the owners profits. But when the owners weren't making as much money as they used to and started complaining about it, Stern leaned too far in their direction. Prior to that, for a very long time he was right on point with nearly all of his decisions.

Timmy84 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

IMO, Magic, Larry & Michael did more to raise the NBA than 'Spin Doctor' Stern.

TRUE!

Nah. Because somebody had to manage that growth. Stern led the league through the age of "the star player" and used it to make NBA style basketball huge AND "cool" all around the world.

^ What about the coaches? Not one guy could've done all that lol

An example of what I'm saying is this; basketball is basketball worldwide. Kids all over the world want to be like the stars they see in the NBA. They want to grow up to play like those players, dress like those players, have a shoe deal and win NBA titles. That's why OUR basketball league has so many foriegn players now.

Football, on the other hand, is still soccer in 90% of the world.

Stern was hugely responsible for making the NBA look the way it does and almost completely responsible for its current popularity around the world. You can find the figures pretty easily. The league was fairly small when he took over compared to where it is now (its only 60 years old and he's been commissioner for like, 25 of them). The money involved was not billions. Teams were not worth tens, or hundreds, or millions of dollars. It's growth has been MUCH faster and larger than similar businesses in the same amount of time.

Timmy84 said:

^ What about the coaches? Not one guy could've done all that lol

I'm talking about the NBA as a business. That's what Stern does - he runs a multi-billion dollar business. A business that involves owners, ownership groups, advertising, arena contracts, television rights, about a thousand other bits of minutia AND players. The league doesn't just roll along, happening all by itself. None of the major sports leagues do. It's a huge undertaking, bigger now than it's ever been.

Let me be clear, though! I'm not on Stern's dick. I totally agree he's made some serious missteps in the last few years. But prior to that he did a pretty stellar job, all things considered.

Nah I got what you were saying.

Timmy84 said:

Nah I got what you were saying.

Well shut up then! Nah, seriously though, the commissioners in all three of our biggest sports (I know fuck all about hockey and I plan on keeping it that way) have A LOT of power. I think football and baseball might be even worse than basketball. At least basketball has a really solid players union.

Cerebus said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah I got what you were saying.

Well shut up then! Nah, seriously though, the commissioners in all three of our biggest sports (I know fuck all about hockey and I plan on keeping it that way) have A LOT of power. I think football and baseball might be even worse than basketball. At least basketball has a really solid players union.

I'm kinda surprised their lockouts don't last as long as the ones on football and baseball, especially baseball.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. A record 24 teams will be playing in the NBA's Summer League this year and EVERY GAME will be televised on NBA TV.

2012 NBA Summer League schedule announced

By Official release
Posted Jun 14 2012 1:21PM

NEW YORK -- The 2012 NBA Summer League in Las Vegas will feature a record 24 teams competing in a 60-game schedule July 13-22 at the Thomas & Mack Center and the COX Pavilion on the campus of the University of Nevada Las Vegas.

The 2012 NBA Summer League will showcase 13 of the top 14 picks in this year's NBA Draft. The action tips off at 1 p.m. PT, Friday, July 13, with the Atlanta Hawks playing the Washington Wizards in the first of four scheduled games that day at COX Pavilion. Other teams participating in opening day action include the Charlotte Bobcats, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, Sacramento Kings and Toronto Raptors. Gatorade will support the 2012 NBA Summer League and serve as an Associate Partner.

NBA TV will televise all 60 games, including 39 live from both the Thomas & Mack Center and COX Pavilion. Games will also be available on digital platforms. Complete broadcast information will be released at a later date.

The New Orleans Hornets, who have the top selection in this year's draft, will tip off their Summer League competition on Sunday, July 15 at 7:30 p.m. PT, when they face the Portland Trail Blazers, owners of the sixth and 11th overall picks in the 2012 NBA Draft. An additional four teams with top-five selections in the 2012 NBA Draft, including the Bobcats, selecting second overall; the Wizards, who own the third overall selection; the Cleveland Cavaliers, who pick fourth; and the Sacramento Kings with the fifth pick.

"NBA Summer League provides fans from around the league the unique opportunity to see some of the NBA's brightest young stars competing in one location in a family-friendly environment," said Gail Hunter, NBA Senior Vice President of Events and Attractions.

Exciting games featuring the NBA's newest talent have always been a staple at NBA Summer League. Six of the last seven NBA Rookie of the Year Award winners have joined their teams in Las Vegas including: Chris Paul (New Orleans Hornets, 2005-06), Brandon Roy (Portland Trail Blazers, 2006-07), Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City, 2007-08), Tyreke Evans (Sacramento, 2009-10), Blake Griffin (L.A. Clippers, 2010-11) and Kyrie Irving (Cleveland Cavaliers 2011-12).

Additional teams participating in the event include the Atlanta Hawks, Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Clippers, Los Angeles Lakers, Memphis Grizzlies, Miami Heat, Milwaukee Bucks, Minnesota Timberwolves, Phoenix Suns, San Antonio Spurs and Toronto Raptors. The Boston Celtics and Bobcats, who have not participated in the event since 2007 and 2008, respectively, will make their returns to Las Vegas this year.

Tickets for the 2012 NBA Summer League are on sale and can be purchased by calling 702-739-FANS, through UNLVtickets.com or by visiting the Thomas & Mack Center Box Office and UNLV Ticket Outlets. All general admission tickets are $25 for the day; seniors and children (3-12) are $15 for the day; and children two years and under are admitted free of charge.

All Times listed are PACIFIC

Friday July 13
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- Atlanta vs. Washington
3 PM -- Houston vs. Toronto
5 PM -- Golden State vs. LA Lakers
7 PM -- Sacramento vs. Charlotte

Saturday July 14
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- Memphis vs. New York
3 PM -- Golden State vs. Denver
5 PM -- LA Lakers vs. Sacramento
7 PM -- Houston vs. Washington

Sunday July 15
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- New York vs. Phoenix
3 PM -- Denver vs. Dallas
5 PM -- San Antonio vs. Atlanta
7 PM -- Washington vs. NBA D-League

• Thomas & Mack
3:30 PM -- Toronto vs. Miami
5:30 PM -- Cleveland vs. Charlotte
7:30 PM -- New Orleans vs. Portland

Monday July 16
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- Atlanta vs. Boston
3 PM -- Dallas vs. Toronto
5 PM -- Cleveland vs. NBA D-League
7 PM -- LA Clippers vs. Minnesota

• Thomas & Mack
3:30 PM -- Houston vs. Sacramento
5:30 PM -- LA Lakers vs. Miami
7:30 PM -- Milwaukee vs. New Orleans

Tuesday July 17
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- Denver vs. New York
3 PM -- Washington vs. Memphis
5 PM -- Portland vs. Houston
7 PM -- Chicago vs. Boston

• Thomas & Mack
3:30 PM -- San Antonio vs. LA Lakers
5:30 PM -- Cleveland vs. Phoenix
7:30 PM -- Minnesota vs. Charlotte

Wednesday July 18
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- Milwaukee vs. Washington
3 PM -- Chicago vs. Houston
5 PM -- Atlanta vs. Dallas
7 PM -- San Antonio vs. LA Clippers

• Thomas & Mack
3:30 PM -- Sacramento vs. Toronto
5:30 PM -- New Orleans vs. Phoenix
7:30 PM -- Golden State vs. Miami

Thursday July 19
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- New York vs. Toronto
3 PM -- Portland vs. Atlanta
5 PM -- Cleveland vs. Minnesota
7 PM -- NBA D-League vs. Milwaukee

• Thomas & Mack
3:30 PM -- Boston vs. Sacramento
5:30 PM -- LA Clippers vs. LA Lakers
7:30 PM -- Charlotte vs. Denver

Friday July 20
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- New York vs. Cleveland
3 PM -- Denver vs. Portland
5 PM -- Miami vs. San Antonio
7 PM -- NBA D-League vs. Phoenix

• Thomas & Mack
3:30 PM -- Memphis vs. Charlotte
5:30 PM -- Chicago vs. Golden State
7:30 PM -- Dallas vs. New Orleans

Saturday July 21
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- Portland vs. Miami
3 PM -- Dallas vs. San Antonio
5 PM -- NBA D-League vs. Minnesota
7 PM -- Memphis vs. Phoenix

• Thomas & Mack
3:30 PM -- Golden State vs. New Orleans
5:30 PM -- Chicago vs. LA Clippers
7:30 PM -- Milwaukee vs. Boston

Sunday July 22
• COX Pavilion
1 PM -- Chicago vs. Milwaukee
3 PM -- Boston vs. LA Clippers
5 PM -- Memphis vs. Minnesota

• SCHEDULE SUBJECT TO CHANGE
• All Times listed are PACIFIC

^ Cool.

What's up with 728huey not posting game synopsis? Feels like something ain't right with the universe.

Cerebus said:

What's up with 728huey not posting game synopsis? Feels like something ain't right with the universe.

He's posting it at the Finals thread...

Timmy84 said:

Cerebus said:

What's up with 728huey not posting game synopsis? Feels like something ain't right with the universe.

He's posting it at the Finals thread...

Oh sure. Sixteen pages of basketball talk and y'all go and make a new thread just for the finals. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Cerebus said:

Timmy84 said:

He's posting it at the Finals thread...

Oh sure. Sixteen pages of basketball talk and y'all go and make a new thread just for the finals. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Too much expansion

Taking the majority of playoff games away from network TV

Rules changes that soften the game

Shitty refs

Shady draft lottery

The only thing Emperor Stern did right was forcing Brain-Dead Dolan to hire Donnie Walsh to undo the mess Isiah made of the Knicks. Other than that, he's been shit in my eyes. Just a shill for the owners.

As far as player unions go, MLB is the best and most powerful. The others aren't in the same stratosphere as baseball.

OKC lost game 2 but I aint worried. They will still take that championship.