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Reply #420 posted 06/08/12 3:14am

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Eastern Conference Finals

Game 6

Miami Heat 98 Boston Celtics 79

On a night where the Miami Heat faced possible elimination, they needed a hero to save their season. Tonight, they found their superhero in Lebron James. He put on a herculean effort in this game, strapping the team on his back and scoring 45 points while grabbing 15 rebounds and dishing out five assists. Dwayne Wade added 17 points, but the real story was the shutdown of the Boston Celtics big three. While Rajon Rondo tried to keep the Celtics in this game, scoring 21 points and dishing out 10 assists, the big three of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen struggled all night, as they scored nine, 12, and 10 points respectively on a combined 13 shots from the field on 39 attempts. The Heat now force a decisive game seven on their home court this Saturday night.

Series tied at 3-3.

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Reply #421 posted 06/08/12 4:40pm

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728huey said:

Eastern Conference Finals

Game 6

Miami Heat 98 Boston Celtics 79

On a night where the Miami Heat faced possible elimination, they needed a hero to save their season. Tonight, they found their superhero in Lebron James. He put on a herculean effort in this game, strapping the team on his back and scoring 45 points while grabbing 15 rebounds and dishing out five assists. Dwayne Wade added 17 points, but the real story was the shutdown of the Boston Celtics big three. While Rajon Rondo tried to keep the Celtics in this game, scoring 21 points and dishing out 10 assists, the big three of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen struggled all night, as they scored nine, 12, and 10 points respectively on a combined 13 shots from the field on 39 attempts. The Heat now force a decisive game seven on their home court this Saturday night.

Series tied at 3-3.

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LeBron totally kicked ass last night. I know people love to hate the Heat, but they won't go down without a real fight. If they lose, they might as well trade Bosh or LeBron.

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Reply #422 posted 06/08/12 6:07pm

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Empress said:

728huey said:

Eastern Conference Finals

Game 6

Miami Heat 98 Boston Celtics 79

On a night where the Miami Heat faced possible elimination, they needed a hero to save their season. Tonight, they found their superhero in Lebron James. He put on a herculean effort in this game, strapping the team on his back and scoring 45 points while grabbing 15 rebounds and dishing out five assists. Dwayne Wade added 17 points, but the real story was the shutdown of the Boston Celtics big three. While Rajon Rondo tried to keep the Celtics in this game, scoring 21 points and dishing out 10 assists, the big three of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen struggled all night, as they scored nine, 12, and 10 points respectively on a combined 13 shots from the field on 39 attempts. The Heat now force a decisive game seven on their home court this Saturday night.

Series tied at 3-3.

typing

LeBron totally kicked ass last night. I know people love to hate the Heat, but they won't go down without a real fight. If they lose, they might as well trade Bosh or LeBron.

They'll trade Wade before they trade LeBron. Loyalty doesn't exist in the NBA anymore.

I watched a partial replay of the game. Celtics look tired. But both of these teams play different from game to game, so who knows! Looking forward to game seven, though.

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Reply #423 posted 06/09/12 3:59pm

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No way Boston wins tonight.

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Reply #424 posted 06/09/12 4:08pm

Graycap23

uPtoWnNY said:

No way Boston wins tonight.

Beware of the refs.................

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Reply #425 posted 06/10/12 12:00am

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HOF performance by LeBron the other night, but it won't do much to shut up the haters. Folks who don't acknowledge him as the best in the NBA aren't paying attention. He brought a lot of hostility on himself with that media circus, but some fans have gone too far. I'm confidant Miami wins tonight, but being a Knick fan, I'll be rooting for OKC to wipe the court with them.

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Reply #426 posted 06/10/12 12:45am

babynoz

LET'S GO HEEEEEEAT!!!!! biggrin

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Reply #427 posted 06/10/12 3:30am

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Eastern Conference Finals

Game 7

Boston Celtics 88 Miami Heat 101

With another game seven on the line, the legacy of the big three of the Miami Heat was on the line. Would the superstars of the Heat - Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh - finally live up to their promise, or would they end up crashing in flames once again? And in the case of the Boston Celtics, would this game be the last hurrah for their big three of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen?

When the game began, it was the Celtics who came out strong, leading the first half, though not by the huge margins they have led in the past. Boston's big four, which incuded Rajon Rondo, played well in the first half, as well as Brandon Bass, who led the Celtics in the first half with 14 points. But in the second half the Heat came creeping back, and in the fourth quarter the big three took over the game. Lebron James led Miami with 31 points and 12 rebounds, while Dwayne Wade had 23 points, six rebounds, and six assists, including some monster offensive rebounds in the fourth quarter, and Chris Bosh had 19 points and eight rebounds off the bench. Shane Battier also chipped in 12 points. The Celtics, who were so potent in the first half, went ice cold down the stretch, scoring only 15 points in the fourth quarter and forcing a number of bad shots. Rajon Rondo had a triple double for the Celtics in a losing effort, scoring 22 points, grabbing 10 rebounds, and dishing out 14 assists. Paul Pierce had 19 points, Brandon Bass had 16 points, Ray Allen had 15 points,and Kevin Garnett had 14 points and seven rebounds, but much of that production came in the first half, as they struggled in the second half.

The Miami Heat now return to the NBA Finals to face Kevin Durant and the Oklahoma City Thunder in their attempt to live up to their promises made two years ago. The Boston Celtics, on the other hand, may look radically different next season, as Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen are at the end of their contracts, and rumor has it Garnett may retire now that the season is over.

Miami wins series 4-3.

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Reply #428 posted 06/10/12 3:34am

babynoz

Already a few road closures due to all the celebrating, biggrin

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Reply #429 posted 06/10/12 3:52am

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babynoz said:

Already a few road closures due to all the celebrating, biggrin

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The Heat fans have reason to celebrate, but they haven't won the title yet. no no no! We'll see how they do against OKC in the Finals.

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Reply #430 posted 06/10/12 4:01am

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uPtoWnNY said:

HOF performance by LeBron the other night, but it won't do much to shut up the haters. Folks who don't acknowledge him as the best in the NBA aren't paying attention. He brought a lot of hostility on himself with that media circus, but some fans have gone too far. I'm confidant Miami wins tonight, but being a Knick fan, I'll be rooting for OKC to wipe the court with them.

He's still that guy who need to grow up sometimes. Like tonight when he took that three from almost half court and left his hand in the air for like, ten seconds! lol You're at half freakin' court! Run back and get set to play defense. But on his good nights he's definitely the best all around player in the game right now. On his average nights he's right there with Kobe, Durant not far behind.

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Reply #431 posted 06/10/12 4:02am

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728huey said:

babynoz said:

Already a few road closures due to all the celebrating, biggrin

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The Heat fans have reason to celebrate, but they haven't won the title yet. no no no! We'll see how they do against OKC in the Finals.

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I hope they all heard Alonzo Mourning say that after the game. They made it this far last year, so they haven't done shit yet. lol

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Reply #432 posted 06/10/12 4:03am

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However... Go Heat! Should be a great series.

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Reply #433 posted 06/10/12 5:07am

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Cerebus said:

uPtoWnNY said:

HOF performance by LeBron the other night, but it won't do much to shut up the haters. Folks who don't acknowledge him as the best in the NBA aren't paying attention. He brought a lot of hostility on himself with that media circus, but some fans have gone too far. I'm confidant Miami wins tonight, but being a Knick fan, I'll be rooting for OKC to wipe the court with them.

He's still that guy who need to grow up sometimes. Like tonight when he took that three from almost half court and left his hand in the air for like, ten seconds! lol You're at half freakin' court! Run back and get set to play defense. But on his good nights he's definitely the best all around player in the game right now. On his average nights he's right there with Kobe, Durant not far behind.

That's minor compared to the hot doggin KG does. He's certainly keeps it classy. The

asshole couldn't even be man enough to congratulate the winners. He ran back to

the locker room with his tail between his legs just like Rondo. My hate level for the

Celtics have returned to the level it was in the 80's. If KG does decide to retire i hope

he doesn't let the door hit him on the way out.

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Reply #434 posted 06/10/12 11:23am

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OKC in 6.

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Reply #435 posted 06/10/12 1:01pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

HOF performance by LeBron the other night, but it won't do much to shut up the haters. Folks who don't acknowledge him as the best in the NBA aren't paying attention. He brought a lot of hostility on himself with that media circus, but some fans have gone too far. I'm confidant Miami wins tonight, but being a Knick fan, I'll be rooting for OKC to wipe the court with them.

Lebron is the most talented player in the NBA.....but I'll take Durant 8 days a week.

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Reply #436 posted 06/10/12 1:11pm

JoeTyler

fock you Celtics fok u biggrin

go Miami go!!!!

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Reply #437 posted 06/10/12 1:46pm

uPtoWnNY

This is the match-up Stern and his goons wanted. OKC in 7.

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Reply #438 posted 06/10/12 2:11pm

Graycap23

uPtoWnNY said:

This is the match-up Stern and his goons wanted. OKC in 7.

The best 2 teams in the East and West. What's the problem?

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Reply #439 posted 06/10/12 2:11pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

This is the match-up Stern and his goons wanted. OKC in 7.

No. The match-up they wanted was, Kobe vs. Lebron. Kobe didn't hold up, his end of the bargin. I say, OKC in 6.

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Reply #440 posted 06/10/12 4:11pm

Timmy84

uPtoWnNY said:

This is the match-up Stern and his goons wanted. OKC in 7.

Stern didn't want no damn OKC in the finals! ohgoon Maybe Miami (or Boston) but no damn OKC. It was either the Spurs or Lakers he wanted. nod Didn't get his wish. biggrin

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Reply #441 posted 06/10/12 4:31pm

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728huey said:

babynoz said:

Already a few road closures due to all the celebrating, biggrin

[img:$uid]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/delivertheword/sports/heatlogo.gif[/img:$uid]

The Heat fans have reason to celebrate, but they haven't won the title yet. no no no! We'll see how they do against OKC in the Finals.

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Pah! I am a die hard NFL fan but a pretty casual NBA follower, (I only watch the finals).

My sons are rabid Miami fans however, and even they said that OKC will wipe the floor w/ the Heats...I hope they are wrong! sad

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Reply #442 posted 06/10/12 4:35pm

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Cerebus said:

728huey said:

The Heat fans have reason to celebrate, but they haven't won the title yet. no no no! We'll see how they do against OKC in the Finals.

typing

I hope they all heard Alonzo Mourning say that after the game. They made it this far last year, so they haven't done shit yet. lol

Ahhh shaddap you! talk to the hand

The MIA is tryna be remembered for something other than face-chewing zombies. eek

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Reply #443 posted 06/10/12 11:55pm

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Timmy84 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

This is the match-up Stern and his goons wanted. OKC in 7.

Stern didn't want no damn OKC in the finals! ohgoon Maybe Miami (or Boston) but no damn OKC. It was either the Spurs or Lakers he wanted. nod Didn't get his wish. biggrin

True that. Stern's wet dream would have been another Celtics - Lakers finals pretty

much like the one he probably helped orchestrate in 2008 with the Lakers trading

for Pau Gasol and the Celtics trading for KG.

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Reply #444 posted 06/11/12 12:09am

Timmy84

phunkdaddy said:

Timmy84 said:

Stern didn't want no damn OKC in the finals! ohgoon Maybe Miami (or Boston) but no damn OKC. It was either the Spurs or Lakers he wanted. nod Didn't get his wish. biggrin

True that. Stern's wet dream would have been another Celtics - Lakers finals pretty

much like the one he probably helped orchestrate in 2008 with the Lakers trading

for Pau Gasol and the Celtics trading for KG.

I know right?

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Reply #445 posted 06/13/12 1:41pm

Graycap23

OKC 1 down.............3 to go.

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Reply #446 posted 06/14/12 12:48am

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I understand some people don't like Jim Rome, but no one can say that the guy has ever been afraid to ask the tough questions and to push to get an answer. I'm disappointed with the Commissioner here. He went too far and dicked out pretty hard. I'm one of those people who thinks he did a really good job for a very long time. Basketball has grown so much during his "reign". But he's been slipping a bit in the last couple years and, in my eyes, this was an actual fall.

David Stern asks Jim Rome, ‘Have you stopped beating your wife yet?’ in response to lottery-fixing question in radio interview

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/david-stern-asks-jim-rome-stop-beating-wife-202222756--nba.html

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" NBA Commissioner David Stern asked sports talk radio personality Jim Rome during a contentious interview on Rome's nationally syndicated radio program on Wednesday afternoon.

Stern's remark — the textbook example of a loaded question, intended to suggest that the subject has been asked a question he cannot answer without incriminating himself — came in response to a question asked by Rome about public perception that the NBA had rigged the 2012 NBA draft lottery to ensure that the New Orleans Hornets came away with the No. 1 overall selection, despite having fewer chances at the top prize than the Charlotte Bobcats, Washington Wizards and Cleveland Cavaliers heading into the proceedings.

The NBA has owned the Hornets since December 2010. The league recently sold the Hornets to New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson, who will reportedly pay $338 million to take control of the franchise. That sale is expected to be finalized this week, according to Stern; at present, the league still maintains control of the team.

Rome, a well-known radio host and former ESPN personality whose radio show is syndicated nationally by Premiere Networks and who hosts a daily television program on the CBS Sports Network, is married with two children, according to the bio on his website.

Deadspin's Timothy Burke has audio of the contentious segment of the interview; we've got a transcript after the jump.

During their chat on the afternoon after the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Miami Heat in Game 1 of the NBA Finals, Rome asked Stern about the belief held by some — including, as Yahoo! Sports NBA columni...i reported immediately following the lottery, multiple NBA executives — that the league office put its thumb on the scales and rigged the lottery drawing in favor of a team still under its stewardship and that it just sold, as a favor to its new owner.

"You know, New Orleans won the draft lottery, which, of course, produced the usual round of speculation that maybe the lottery was fixed," Rome said. "I know that you appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy — was the fix in for the lottery?"

Stern bristled.

"Uh, you know, I have two answers for that," Stern said. "I'll give you the easy one — no — and a statement: Shame on you for asking."

After emphasizing that his line of questioning intended no disrespect, Rome noted that he still thought the question valid, since many NBA fans and observers have openly questioned the validity and purity of the lottery. This time, Stern not only bristled — he swung.

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Stern asked.

"Yeah, I don't know if that's fair," Rome responded. "I don't know that that's fair."

Now, there's an important point to be made here. Stern, it seems, wasn't actually asking if Rome had stopped beating his wife; he was evoking a famous logic game, a rhetorical move intended to put your opponent in an untenable position. Whether you say yes or no, you are saying that you have been beating your wife. You incriminate yourself just by participating in the exercise.

The point Stern appears to be trying to make is that, in order for him to answer Rome's question, he by necessity has to agree that the league has rigged lotteries in the past and does engage in the practice of outcome-fixing, whether or not it did in this case. It's a bit of lawyerspeak from the commissioner, a Columbia Law-educated solicitor by trade whose relationship to the league began when he was retained as outside counsel nearly 50 years ago.

Here's the thing: It's unnecessary bull[EXPLETIVE].

Setting aside the moral/ethical/sensitivity argument you might make — "Hey, we probably don't need to evoke domestic violence during a sports talk radio interview, especially when it's not one about, y'know, domestic violence" — this wasn't a loaded question. There most certainly was a way for Stern to answer Rome's question — which, again, was "Was the fix in for the lottery?" — without in any way implicating the league in any impropriety.

David Stern knows that there was a way for him to do it, BECAUSE HE DID IT:

"Uh, you know, I have two answers for that," Stern said. "I'll give you the easy one — no — and a statement: Shame on you for asking."

That's it. Move on.

When Rome follows up to say the question's fair, reiterate "No, and shame on you for asking." When Rome tries to stoke the embers by saying he's heard from literally 10 billion people that they hate the NBA because it's rigged and they would never watch it again, double-down on "No, and shame on you for asking." When Rome, whose entire job as a sports talk radio guy is to try to light up phone lines, tells you that there isn't a single person in any galaxy who doesn't think you're the clowniest clownfraud who ever clownfrauded a lotteryrodeo, whittle it down and just say, "No."

You do not have to implicate yourself or your employer. You do not have to, by tendering an answer, stoke the fire. (Which, frankly, will be stoked no matter what you do, but most definitely won't die down now.) Simply saying "No" wouldn't have had any negative associations. So that's what you say. That's what you always say.

You know why? Because you're a grown-ass man, and because the satisfaction of landing a quip on Jim Rome should be well past its expiration date by now. Because you're a 69-year-old adult whom (until recently) we'd matter-of-factly discussed as the clear sharpest chief executive in American sport. Because you're at the helm of a billion-dollar industry in the front of the American sports fan's mind right now, and the story that industry should have on the off-day between Games 1 and 2 of the NBA Finals damn sure isn't that you just allowed listeners across the country to think that you think a guy who racks hot takes hits his wife.

And yet: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Well, aren't you clever.

Even given the apparently clear lack of malicious intent here — again, I can't stress this clearly enough, I believe Stern was referencing the loaded-question issue and not any impropriety on Rome's part — this is bad for Stern. This will only make it look more like his grip on the wheel's loosened and that he's not making the best decisions anymore. This is a distraction — and a weird one — at a time where focus should be entirely on the game. This is the kind of thing that he'll have to defuse, but I imagine he'll come off as something of a jerk in that process, too, since he doesn't seem to grasp that that's not the kind of thing you drop with no setup.

It's unnecessary, and it's negative, and it's a speed bump. The last thing you need immediately after the start of the most anticipated series in years. Take a bow, Commish. You've earned it.

So, here's that transcript.

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"You know, New Orleans won the draft lottery, which, of course, produced the usual round of speculation that maybe the lottery was fixed," Rome said. "I know that you appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy — was the fix in for the lottery?"

"Uh, you know, I have two answers for that," Stern said. "I'll give you the easy one — no — and a statement: Shame on you for asking."

"You know, I understand why you would say that to me, and I wanted to preface it by saying it respectfully," Rome replied. "I think it's my job to ask, because I think people wonder."

"No, it's ridiculous," Stern answered. "But that's OK."

"I know that you think it's ridiculous, but I don't think the question is ridiculous, because I know people think that," Rome said. "I'm not saying that I do, but I think it's my job to ask you that."

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Stern asked.

"Yeah, I don't know if that's fair," Rome responded. "I don't know that that's fair."

"Well, why's that?" Stern asked.

"Because I think that there are — and I know you read your emails and I'm sure you follow things virally on Twitter — people really do think it, whether it's fair or not," Rome said. "You don't think the question's fair to ask if your fans think it?"

"People think it because people like you ask silly questions," Stern said. "I expect it to be written about — and actually, I commented last night in my presser that there was one guy who I won't dignify by naming who says, 'I have no reason to know anything, and I don't know anything, but I tell you, I believe it's fixed.' OK, that's good. Why is that? 'Well, because this team won.' And if that team won, it would've been fixed also, and if that team won, it would've been fixed also. And if every team was invited to have a representative there, and there were four members of the media there, and if Ernst and Young certified it, would you still think it? 'Yes.' So, I guess ..."

"I think two things, which responds to this," Rome interjected. "Number one, I don't think so. I don't think so — and I'm not covering myself — I don't think so, and I think by asking the question, it would not suggest I think so. But the one thing I would say: The league does own the team, does it not?"

"... Yes," Stern said, a question mark at the end of his sentence.

"Does that not make the question fair?" Rome asked.

"I don't think so," Stern said. "Number one, we sold it. We're gonna close this week. We already have established our price. I think that if it had gone to Michael Jordan, which was the next team up with, in terms of a high percentage, they would've said, 'Oh, David's taking care of his friend Michael.' And if it had gone to Brooklyn, which is going into Barclay Center, it would have been fair to speculate, I suppose, that we want to take Brooklyn off of the mat. So there was no winning. And people write about it, and it's OK to write about it, and we sort of expect it, but that's not a question that I've been asked before by a respectable journalist."

"I think I understand why you're frustrated by that; I think that I understand why that would upset you," Rome said. "I would hope that you would not hold that against me."

"I wouldn't hold it against you — you know, you and I have been into more contentious discussions than that," Stern said.

"I don't know, I'd put that one right up there," Rome replied.

"Well, you know, it's good copy, and you do things sometimes for cheap thrills," Stern said.

"I did not do that for a cheap thrill," Rome answered.

"Well, that's what it sounds like," Stern said.

"No, not at all," Rome answered. "See, that's where you and I — that's our point of disconnect. That was not a cheap thrill and I was not throwing anything against the wall, and I was trying to be as respectful as possible. I'm just saying that people wonder about that. And here's what I don't want to do — I don't want to say, 'Hey commissioner, people would say ...' Because I'm going to ask a direct question. But people do wonder. But that was not a cheap thrill. I got no thrill out of that."

"Well, it's a cheap trick," Stern said.

"No, flopping is a cheap trick," Rome said.

"Well, no. But listen, you've been successful at making a career out of it, and I keep coming on, so ..." Stern said.

"Making a career out of what, though, commissioner?" Rome interrupted. "See, I take great offense to that. Making a career of what? Cheap thrills?"

"What offense are you taking? You're taking offense?" Stern asked.

"I am. Now I am," Rome answered. "If you're saying I've made a career out of cheap thrills ..."

"... taking on the world, and now Jim Rome is pouting? I love it," Stern said.

"I'm not pouting; I take offense," Rome said. "There's a difference between pouting and taking offense. I take offense like you took offense to the question. What if I said — were you pouting when I asked the question?"

"What offenses? Do you want to hang up on me?" Stern asked.

"No, I can't hang up on you, because I'm running out of time — I would never hang up on you," Rome said.

"OK," Stern said. "Listen, I've got to go call somebody important, like Stephen A. Smith, right now. He's up next."

"All right, you go make that call, and I'll go talk to somebody else, too, I guess," Rome said.

"All right," Stern said.

"All right, commissioner. Have a nice day," Rome said. "I did not hang up on him — we are officially out of time. We will come back and reset that momentarily. Stay tuned."

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Reply #447 posted 06/14/12 12:50pm

Graycap23

Lol.................I love the commish q 2 Rome. Rome is a chump.

Remember that time Jim Everette kicked his ass on the show?

I'll never let Jim off the hook 4 that one. It was GREAT!

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Reply #448 posted 06/14/12 3:43pm

uPtoWnNY

David Stern is a fucking clown and overrated as a commissioner. That is all...

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Reply #449 posted 06/14/12 3:52pm

Timmy84

So when guy was criticizing the draft, the best retort Stern had was a personal question? neutral Then again, when it comes to shit like this, I shouldn't be surprised because they do it ALL the time trying to humilate your ass.

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