We all know who's going 1st & 2nd - Luck(Colts) & RGIII(Redskins). After that, it's a crap shoot.

My defending Super Bowl champion Giants need to bolster the O-line. They also need help at TE, LB, DB & RB.

uPtoWnNY said:

We all know who's going 1st & 2nd - Luck(Colts) & RGIII(Redskins). After that, it's a crap shoot.

My defending Super Bowl champion Giants need to bolster the O-line. They also need help at TE, LB, DB & RB.

The Redskins could have put an orange cone under center and fared no worse than they have the last 3 years. RGIII is an instant improvement over what DC calls QBs right now and will be worth at least 2 games. Other than that, CB, DE, RT and G are the glaring needs.

As for the Jints, they've got a Guy under center, guys who can catch his passes, and a wolf pack to chase the other guys' guys. Renovate the OL and get a feature back and they won't have to struggle to make the playoffs, as they did the last 2 times they've won it.

How can you think of ANYTHING else when we have Tebow in New York now?

How did you keep your head from exploding?

My team needs help at coacjing, Ol, DL, DE, Corners, receivers, Db, & LB.

namepeace said:

uPtoWnNY said:

We all know who's going 1st & 2nd - Luck(Colts) & RGIII(Redskins). After that, it's a crap shoot.

My defending Super Bowl champion Giants need to bolster the O-line. They also need help at TE, LB, DB & RB.

The Redskins could have put an orange cone under center and fared no worse than they have the last 3 years. RGIII is an instant improvement over what DC calls QBs right now and will be worth at least 2 games. Other than that, CB, DE, RT and G are the glaring needs.

As for the Jints, they've got a Guy under center, guys who can catch his passes, and a wolf pack to chase the other guys' guys. Renovate the OL and get a feature back and they won't have to struggle to make the playoffs, as they did the last 2 times they've won it.

The Redskins may get a pass this year but they have to be right year 2 meaning

RG3 has to win games or some heads will roll. As a steeler fan i'm just hoping for

a guy at a need position that can contribute this season. Hoping for Cordy Glenn or

Donta Hightower to fall at 24.

Not to belittle the hype over the draft, but the real foundation of the elite teams are made between rounds three and six. It,s here where you get the huge role players like Lance Briggs, James Farrior, Jeff Saturday, Wes Welker, Rob Grankowski, etc.. Yes, you can make a huge splash or mistake in the first round of the draft, but it's those other draftees who make the higher picks into superstars.

^^^ Absolutely. That's where you find hidden gems. Tom Brady is a perfect example. And I think Joe Montana was a 3rd round pick.

It takes at least 3-5 years to determine if a young QB can play at the NFL level. But RGIII won't have that luxury in D.C., not with those fans and that owner. Hope the kid can handle the pressure. Luck is in a better situation, because Indy will rebuild the right way. Dan Snyder shows me nothing as an owner.

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Graycap23 said:

My team needs help at coacjing, Ol, DL, DE, Corners, receivers, Db, & LB.

Leave Lovie alone.

Richard Seymour and Carson Palmer better have Pro-Bowl season to justify the Raiders not drafting until the third round. Raiders need OL, RB, WR, DB. Wish Hue Jackson was still coaching.

Lovie stinks.......

SUPRMAN said:

Graycap23 said:

My team needs help at coacjing, Ol, DL, DE, Corners, receivers, Db, & LB.

Leave Lovie alone.

Lovie stinks....3 playoff victories in 8 full seasons.

SUPRMAN said:

Richard Seymour and Carson Palmer better have Pro-Bowl season to justify the Raiders not drafting until the third round. Raiders need OL, RB, WR, DB. Wish Hue Jackson was still coaching.

Palmer was NOT worth 2 1st round picks.

Graycap23 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Richard Seymour and Carson Palmer better have Pro-Bowl season to justify the Raiders not drafting until the third round. Raiders need OL, RB, WR, DB. Wish Hue Jackson was still coaching.

Palmer was NOT worth 2 1st round picks.

Palmer ends up being 1 #1 and a #2

Hopefully if Mark Barron is still on the board at 15 my Eagles take him, something tells me the Cowboys might scoop him up first. They better not take another fuckin' OL in the first round either, save them for later in the draft, they should be thinking DT, DE, LB, S in the first three rounds

728huey said:

Not to belittle the hype over the draft, but the real foundation of the elite teams are made between rounds three and six. It,s here where you get the huge role players like Lance Briggs, James Farrior, Jeff Saturday, Wes Welker, Rob Grankowski, etc.. Yes, you can make a huge splash or mistake in the first round of the draft, but it's those other draftees who make the higher picks into superstars.

Absolutely. Which is why Day Two is THE BEST DAY of the draft. It moves quicker, and valuable players with 1st-2d round talent and/or less visibility drop.

Those names you threw out play positions where real value can be found in the middle rounds -- OL, LB, TE, WR. And don't forget those RBs.

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

The Redskins could have put an orange cone under center and fared no worse than they have the last 3 years. RGIII is an instant improvement over what DC calls QBs right now and will be worth at least 2 games. Other than that, CB, DE, RT and G are the glaring needs.

As for the Jints, they've got a Guy under center, guys who can catch his passes, and a wolf pack to chase the other guys' guys. Renovate the OL and get a feature back and they won't have to struggle to make the playoffs, as they did the last 2 times they've won it.

The Redskins may get a pass this year but they have to be right year 2 meaning

RG3 has to win games or some heads will roll. As a steeler fan i'm just hoping for

a guy at a need position that can contribute this season. Hoping for Cordy Glenn or

Donta Hightower to fall at 24.

RGIII is worth at least 2 games. The Redskins entered every game last season with the expectation of a costly turnover, due to lack of quick decision making, quick feet, and composure at the QB position. RGIII HAS to be -- HAS to be -- better than what they had in 2011. I expect Cam Newton lite with a tough 2-3 game stretch somewhere in the year from No. 10.

The Steelers were my first "love" in the NFL before family tradition called me to the Skins. PIT needs a CB, and Jamoris Jenkins seems to be a GREAT fit. Tomlin can get his head right and the kid has top-15 talent by all accounts. A T on either side wouldn't hurt either.

namepeace said:

phunkdaddy said:

The Redskins may get a pass this year but they have to be right year 2 meaning

RG3 has to win games or some heads will roll. As a steeler fan i'm just hoping for

a guy at a need position that can contribute this season. Hoping for Cordy Glenn or

Donta Hightower to fall at 24.

RGIII is worth at least 2 games. The Redskins entered every game last season with the expectation of a costly turnover, due to lack of quick decision making, quick feet, and composure at the QB position. RGIII HAS to be -- HAS to be -- better than what they had in 2011. I expect Cam Newton lite with a tough 2-3 game stretch somewhere in the year from No. 10.

The Steelers were my first "love" in the NFL before family tradition called me to the Skins. PIT needs a CB, and Jamoris Jenkins seems to be a GREAT fit. Tomlin can get his head right and the kid has top-15 talent by all accounts. A T on either side wouldn't hurt either.

I can't see Pittsburgh taking him. He'll probably be a second rounder.

Dude has issues and he hasn't show that a change of scenery helps.

SavonOsco said:

I'm hoping that my Bucs get Richardson, but I have a feeling that The Browns will get him..... But knowing them, they'll trade down....

Nah. Browns take Richardson. They have two first round picks.

namepeace said:

phunkdaddy said:

The Redskins may get a pass this year but they have to be right year 2 meaning

RG3 has to win games or some heads will roll. As a steeler fan i'm just hoping for

a guy at a need position that can contribute this season. Hoping for Cordy Glenn or

Donta Hightower to fall at 24.

RGIII is worth at least 2 games. The Redskins entered every game last season with the expectation of a costly turnover, due to lack of quick decision making, quick feet, and composure at the QB position. RGIII HAS to be -- HAS to be -- better than what they had in 2011. I expect Cam Newton lite with a tough 2-3 game stretch somewhere in the year from No. 10.

The Steelers were my first "love" in the NFL before family tradition called me to the Skins. PIT needs a CB, and Jamoris Jenkins seems to be a GREAT fit. Tomlin can get his head right and the kid has top-15 talent by all accounts. A T on either side wouldn't hurt either.

I wouldn't touch Janoris Jenkins with a 10 ft pole. He's too much of a risk in rd 1 even more so than Jimmy Smith was last year when the Ravens took him. Jenkins admittted during the combine after transfering to North Alabama he still smoked some weed.

The steelers do need a cb but the only ones worth taking in rd 1 is Clairborne and

Dre Kirkpatrick. I'm on the fence with Stephon Gilmore whom i like from my backyard but

i had him projected as a 2nd rounder.

The 49ers were already a solid team. We got better through free agency on both sides of the ball. Would have been great if we got Manning, but Smith will do fine if he plays within the system like he did last season. The draft is pretty much a huge bonus for us at this point. I look forward to seeing who we get, but I know it's not going to be anybody that chances the look/feel of our team.

namepeace said:

phunkdaddy said:

The Redskins may get a pass this year but they have to be right year 2 meaning

RG3 has to win games or some heads will roll. As a steeler fan i'm just hoping for

a guy at a need position that can contribute this season. Hoping for Cordy Glenn or

Donta Hightower to fall at 24.

RGIII is worth at least 2 games. The Redskins entered every game last season with the expectation of a costly turnover, due to lack of quick decision making, quick feet, and composure at the QB position. RGIII HAS to be -- HAS to be -- better than what they had in 2011. I expect Cam Newton lite with a tough 2-3 game stretch somewhere in the year from No. 10.

The Steelers were my first "love" in the NFL before family tradition called me to the Skins. PIT needs a CB, and Jamoris Jenkins seems to be a GREAT fit. Tomlin can get his head right and the kid has top-15 talent by all accounts. A T on either side wouldn't hurt either.

On Sportsnation the other day they asked if RGIII would help them win more than the five games they won last season. Then they listed off their last 8 or 10 games, and it looks like it's going to be pretty hard for him to do that this year. Their schedule is BRUTAL.

Cerebus said:

The 49ers were already a solid team. We got better through free agency on both sides of the ball. Would have been great if we got Manning, but Smith will do fine if he plays within the system like he did last season. The draft is pretty much a huge bonus for us at this point. I look forward to seeing who we get, but I know it's not going to be anybody that chances the look/feel of our team.

Y'all need a QB first and foremost. Smith can't get those WR's the ball deep.

SUPRMAN said:

Cerebus said:

The 49ers were already a solid team. We got better through free agency on both sides of the ball. Would have been great if we got Manning, but Smith will do fine if he plays within the system like he did last season. The draft is pretty much a huge bonus for us at this point. I look forward to seeing who we get, but I know it's not going to be anybody that chances the look/feel of our team.

Y'all need a QB first and foremost. Smith can't get those WR's the ball deep.

Sure he can, so long as they're open. He did just fine in college, but then he went through more Offensive Coodiantors and Head Coaches than any QB in the history of the league through his first six seasons (hyperbole, but it was A LOT). He did a more than an adequate job last season. Lets not forget we made it to the Championship game. Our defense should be even better this season. Smith will have better weapons and consistancy in the coaching ranks for the fist time in his career. We'll be fine.

SUPRMAN said:

SUPRMAN said:

namepeace said:

RGIII is worth at least 2 games. The Redskins entered every game last season with the expectation of a costly turnover, due to lack of quick decision making, quick feet, and composure at the QB position. RGIII HAS to be -- HAS to be -- better than what they had in 2011. I expect Cam Newton lite with a tough 2-3 game stretch somewhere in the year from No. 10.

The Steelers were my first "love" in the NFL before family tradition called me to the Skins. PIT needs a CB, and Jamoris Jenkins seems to be a GREAT fit. Tomlin can get his head right and the kid has top-15 talent by all accounts. A T on either side wouldn't hurt either.

I can't see Pittsburgh taking him. He'll probably be a second rounder.

Dude has issues and he hasn't show that a change of scenery helps.

There are only a few teams where I see him being productive, and PIT is one of them. No question "he . . . have . . . issues."

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

RGIII is worth at least 2 games. The Redskins entered every game last season with the expectation of a costly turnover, due to lack of quick decision making, quick feet, and composure at the QB position. RGIII HAS to be -- HAS to be -- better than what they had in 2011. I expect Cam Newton lite with a tough 2-3 game stretch somewhere in the year from No. 10.

The Steelers were my first "love" in the NFL before family tradition called me to the Skins. PIT needs a CB, and Jamoris Jenkins seems to be a GREAT fit. Tomlin can get his head right and the kid has top-15 talent by all accounts. A T on either side wouldn't hurt either.

I wouldn't touch Janoris Jenkins with a 10 ft pole. He's too much of a risk in rd 1 even more so than Jimmy Smith was last year when the Ravens took him. Jenkins admittted during the combine after transfering to North Alabama he still smoked some weed.

The only reason I mentioned PIT was it is a solid organization and I trust Tomlin, who IIRC has a defensive backs coaching background, to manage him. For about 28 other teams I'd fully agree.

The steelers do need a cb but the only ones worth taking in rd 1 is Clairborne and Dre Kirkpatrick. I'm on the fence with Stephon Gilmore whom i like from my backyard but i had him projected as a 2nd rounder.

If there's one thing the Steelers have been able to do it's been to draft a slew of real difference makers. Most of their unit is homegrown or comprised of castoffs that other teams overlooked (Harrison, Clark).

But perhaps their greatest need is at OL, because Big Ben was running for his life most games (though he can hold the ball a bit too long). They want to run the ball again so you may see a slew of G's and T's next to their name the next few days.

Cerebus said:

namepeace said:

On Sportsnation the other day they asked if RGIII would help them win more than the five games they won last season. Then they listed off their last 8 or 10 games, and it looks like it's going to be pretty hard for him to do that this year. Their schedule is BRUTAL.

True. That's the very reason I say he'll be worth 2 games, not 4 or 5 like Cam was. Expectation management is crucial, particularly for Skins fans.

SavonOsco said:

SUPRMAN said:

Nah. Browns take Richardson. They have two first round picks.

I agree, just wishful thinking...I see the Bucs getting Claiborne

If the Vikings are smart they would take him and hope a good tackle

like Johnathan Martin falls to them in the 2nd rd. Claiborne could be

a once in a lifetime corner.

phunkdaddy said:

My Bears select...Shea McClellin, DE/OLB from Boise State. Don't know much about him.

But I have a very strong feeling that the Miami Dolphins made a huge mistake picking Ryan Tannehill at number 8. I've seen him play some games in college, and while he has some skills, he hasn't played quarterback for very long in his career. He was converted from wide receiver to QB and has only played 19 games at that position. At best I saw him as a middle second round pick, because after Luck and RGIII, there is a huge dropoff at the QB position in the draft. I think the Dolphins panicked because there was a lot of pressure by their fans to land a big name quarterback, and because they did not get Peyton Manning, they felt like they had to draft a quarterback right away. I think this pick will come back to bite them in the ass.