Dave1992 said:

Serious said:

And the pollution of cars as well as the smoke from cigarettes kill people.

Cities existed long before cars were even built. Especially in a city private cars are not necassary. It's a shame that children who live in cities have so little contact to animals and have no space left to play anywhere. But you are only concerned that they might have to deal with dogshit .

That was in a time when the streets were polluted with other things and diseases (often spread because of fecal matter, for example) were all around.

People live in cities, because they prefer cities to having contact with animals. If you want to live in dog shit, move to the country side! It's as simple as that.

It doesn't matter if the streets were then polluted in any other way or not, I was talking about the fact that there is no need for private cars in cities.

BTW one of te reasons that there are so many allergies these days is because we don't come into contact anymore with natural "dirt" like we used to . It is not healthy for a child to be protected from dirt too much.

Serious said:

Dave1992 said:

That was in a time when the streets were polluted with other things and diseases (often spread because of fecal matter, for example) were all around.

People live in cities, because they prefer cities to having contact with animals. If you want to live in dog shit, move to the country side! It's as simple as that.

It doesn't matter if the streets were then polluted in any other way or not, I was talking about the fact that there is no need for private cars in cities.

BTW one of te reasons that there are so many allergies these days is because we don't come into contact anymore with natural "dirt" like we used to . It is not healthy for a child to be protected from dirt too much.

Which, if I actually cared to get into this, would be one of my responses. What happened to cleaning your own damn yard once a week? When did parents stop becomming responsible for checking the areas where their kids play? I don't really have any argument for picking up your dog's crap if it's like, on a city sidewalk. But what the hell were you doing taking your dog down a city sidewalk to being with? Also, every kind of animal that you see regularly pisses wherever it wants and nobody gives it a second thought. If you lay in the grass in a city park you are laying on dog, cat, squirrel, racccon, rabbit, etc. etc. etc. and whatever piss. Lastly, animal crap biodegrading into the soil IS part of the cycle of life on this planet.

I just don't get where people think they have the right to be so indignant about it.

Serious said:

Dave1992 said:

That was in a time when the streets were polluted with other things and diseases (often spread because of fecal matter, for example) were all around.

People live in cities, because they prefer cities to having contact with animals. If you want to live in dog shit, move to the country side! It's as simple as that.

It doesn't matter if the streets were then polluted in any other way or not, I was talking about the fact that there is no need for private cars in cities.

BTW one of te reasons that there are so many allergies these days is because we don't come into contact anymore with natural "dirt" like we used to . It is not healthy for a child to be protected from dirt too much.

There obviously is the need for cars in most cities, for most people who live there. I agree that we should work for a car-free community and make it possible for as many people as possible, but we should also strive for a shit-free community.

Yes, yes, yes. But it's a simple matter or principle. If your dog shits on the sidewalk or in a park other people would like to use, you pick it up. If people don't understand that, they're weird, selfish, arrogant, complacent and gross to me.

End of my participation in this discussion, I find it extremely appalling that I have to defend myself for believing people should clean up after themselves (and their pets/children/...) in urban areas. This should absolutely go without saying. No car pollution in the world excuses any kind of stupid behaviour like this.

I posted this in a different thread, but I think it's needed more here...

Dave1992 said:

Serious said:

It doesn't matter if the streets were then polluted in any other way or not, I was talking about the fact that there is no need for private cars in cities.

BTW one of te reasons that there are so many allergies these days is because we don't come into contact anymore with natural "dirt" like we used to . It is not healthy for a child to be protected from dirt too much.

There obviously is the need for cars in most cities, for most people who live there. I agree that we should work for a car-free community and make it possible for as many people as possible, but we should also strive for a shit-free community.

Yes, yes, yes. But it's a simple matter or principle. If your dog shits on the sidewalk or in a park other people would like to use, you pick it up. If people don't understand that, they're weird, selfish, arrogant, complacent and gross to me.

End of my participation in this discussion, I find it extremely appalling that I have to defend myself for believing people should clean up after themselves (and their pets/children/...) in urban areas. This should absolutely go without saying. No car pollution in the world excuses any kind of stupid behaviour like this.

Ever lived in a city so dense with SMOG they have regular smog warnings and alerts, as a child with asthma I can tell you THAT was way worse than stepping in dog shit..

Dave1992 said:

No car pollution in the world excuses any kind of stupid behaviour like this.

And that's the kind of thinking that is quickly ruining the air that EVERYONE breathes. But hey! When we die out in the next hundred years or so at least nobody will have to worry about stepping in some dog shit.

I haven't owned a car for nearly a decade, btw. Because that's something I actually care about.

this dog shit stuff is way 2 funny

honestly my x used to leave skid marks on his knickers that were more harmful 2 the environment!!!!

and that was the first time i ever left dog poop behind ~ only cause she went b4 we left home so i didnt bring a poo bag with me and the bit she did was on the nature strip - it was no biggy!!!

but yes keep the discussion going cause i'm really enjoying it!!!

Cerebus said:

Dave1992 said:

No car pollution in the world excuses any kind of stupid behaviour like this.

And that's the kind of thinking that is quickly ruining the air that EVERYONE breathes. But hey! When we die out in the next hundred years or so at least nobody will have to worry about stepping in some dog shit.

I haven't owned a car for nearly a decade, btw. Because that's something I actually care about.

tinaz said:

Best conversation EVER!

I know it's the shits!

There are so many jokes in my head about Dave, dog poo, and anal that I have to censor myself!

(I'm joking with you Dave-chill brother )

Oh, I drive a car.

As someone who specialized in logic for years I can say that the logic used in the dog-shit-side

discussion is so bad, at times, that neither side is making a very sound argument.

That being said...

How did this really become a debate about dog crap?!

Anyway....

I use lot and lots of water.

Like....LOTS of it.

Like 3 to 4 hour showers and stuff.

LOTS!

And I spit in the street.

KidaDynamite said:

How did this really become a debate about dog crap?!

Anyway....

I use lot and lots of water.

Like....LOTS of it.

Like 3 to 4 hour showers and stuff.

LOTS!

And I spit in the street.

I just sat back & enjoyed the whole debate on it!

Tittypants said:

KidaDynamite said:

How did this really become a debate about dog crap?!

Anyway....

I use lot and lots of water.

Like....LOTS of it.

Like 3 to 4 hour showers and stuff.

LOTS!

And I spit in the street.

I just sat back & enjoyed the whole debate on it!

I mean, with a pet comes responsibilities. Just like when you have kids, responsibilities come with them. Pick up the damn poop and stop being lazy {that one was for all of the dog owners in my neighborhood who doesn't pick up poop at all.}. It's piles of dog crap everywhere, smeared all over the ground and that is annoying to have to hop around like you're playing hopscotch just to avoid stepping in a hot fresh batch of crapped out kibble. It's okay if it just happens and you don't have your "pooper scooper" or whatever but just letting your dog drop it like it's hot on the sidewalk and just walk away with no intention of even caring to pick it up is just laziness.

I'm sorry. This post sounds like a 16 yr old hopped up on Four Lokos.

KidaDynamite said:

Tittypants said:

I just sat back & enjoyed the whole debate on it!

I mean, with a pet comes responsibilities. Just like when you have kids, responsibilities come with them. Pick up the damn poop and stop being lazy {that one was for all of the dog owners in my neighborhood who doesn't pick up poop at all.}. It's piles of dog crap everywhere, smeared all over the ground and that is annoying to have to hop around like you're playing hopscotch just to avoid stepping in a hot fresh batch of crapped out kibble. It's okay if it just happens and you don't have your "pooper scooper" or whatever but just letting your dog drop it like it's hot on the sidewalk and just walk away with no intention of even caring to pick it up is just laziness.

I'm sorry. This post sounds like a 16 yr old hopped up on Four Lokos.

I totally agree, baby.

Don't even worry about it!

tinaz said:

Dave1992 said:

If it weren't for cars, your "city" would not even have the possibility of being a city, so your logic is a bit flawed.

A car is dirty too, yes, but it contributes to society, economy and comfort much more than a pile of dog shit on the sidewalk does.

Dog shit can be used as manure.. Nothing good for the earth comes from a car...

Dog shit and pee is way too alkaline to be used as manure/compost. It will actually burn plant roots... the poop need to be more acidic like cow, horse and elephant dung (they eat acidic grasses) so their poop makes for good fertilizer, were as dog poop and cat poop only kill plants... human poop does this as well so don;t try that either.

I use more water than I should

I cook more food than I need

I eat a lot of meat

I use paper towels 2 often

I use a lot of wet wipes

I use cooking oil

I use a lot of gas and oil (ATV's, Car, Quads, etc)

I use raid, drano, etc

I should use more organic products than I do

I buy clothing/shoes/accessories...that were probably made by people working in a sweatshop

I shop at Walmart from time to time

I eat at Tacobell

I run the AC

I don't compost

I get a plastic bag at the store (sometimes)

I don't know how bad lube is for the environment but

I watch/buy violent porn

I fuck republicans

I don't re-use or recycle condoms

I wash my sheets often

I buy leather instead of vinyl everytime

LadyCasanova said:

I use more water than I should

I cook more food than I need

I eat a lot of meat

I use paper towels 2 often

I use a lot of wet wipes

I use cooking oil

I use a lot of gas and oil (ATV's, Car, Quads, etc)

I use raid, drano, etc

I should use more organic products than I do

I buy clothing/shoes/accessories...that were probably made by people working in a sweatshop

I shop at Walmart from time to time

I eat at Tacobell

I run the AC

I don't compost

I get a plastic bag at the store (sometimes)

I don't know how bad lube is for the environment but

I watch/buy violent porn

I fuck republicans

I don't re-use or recycle condoms

I wash my sheets often

I buy leather instead of vinyl everytime

What's wrong with using cooking oil?

I survived, nuff said.

I sometimes SCREAM at telemarketers (half dozen a day; always at most inoportune time). I spew absolute profanity at them, tell them to get a job and slam down the phone. No it doesn't make me feel any better and then I think of the poor sod on the other end of the phone, that actually thought they had a job and how I probably made their day just that little extra baaaaaad.

Red said:

I sometimes SCREAM at telemarketers (half dozen a day; always at most inoportune time). I spew absolute profanity at them, tell them to get a job and slam down the phone. No it doesn't make me feel any better and then I think of the poor sod on the other end of the phone, that actually thought they had a job and how I probably made their day just that little extra baaaaaad.

Personally, I would say "Fuck Telemarketers"!

I don't really think it's bad to cuss them out. I can't stand them either.

[Edited 4/23/12 22:33pm]

you guys STILL have land lines??

I got rid of ours YEARSSS ago, no telemarketers call my cell phone!

Red said:

I sometimes SCREAM at telemarketers (half dozen a day; always at most inoportune time). I spew absolute profanity at them, tell them to get a job and slam down the phone. No it doesn't make me feel any better and then I think of the poor sod on the other end of the phone, that actually thought they had a job and how I probably made their day just that little extra baaaaaad.

Yeah, I know how you feel. It's insanely annoying, but it's also just a job that I am sure that person does not really want in the first place.

However, I have had some that seemed to love being annoying, and fuck them.