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MEGA MILLIONS OFFICE POOL? BE CAREFUL

Mega Millions office pool? Be careful

What if you win? Here are some things to consider before buying tickets for the $500 million jackpot with co-workers.

By MSN Money partner 8 hours ago

This post comes from Jonnelle Marte at partner site SmartMoney.

With Friday's Mega Millions jackpot at half a billion dollars, many co-workers may be getting their cash together to vie for a piece of the record jackpot. They might want to consult a lawyer first.

Image: Money (© Don Mason/Brand X/Corbis)Before tossing money into an office pool, workers can take steps to ensure they get their fair share of any winnings, says New Jersey attorney Eric Kahn. He represented the five construction workers who sued a co-worker for their cut of a $38.5 million payout. "People assume they're never going to win the jackpot," he says. "Then when they win, there's a problem." (Post continues below.)

Kahn's clients sued co-worker Americo Lopes, who they claim told them he was on leave for surgery in November 2009, when in fact he had won the big jackpot. When another person in the pool learned of his winnings a few months later, he discovered Lopes won on a date they played as a group. A jury awarded the former co-workers $4 million each.

But most employees can avoid the courtroom with some simple steps, Kahn says.

For starters, make a list of the names and numbers of everyone in the pool, he says. A written contract isn't necessary, but there should be no question about who played. Everyone who puts in cash should have a copy of the ticket. And if the person responsible for buying the ticket also plays the lottery regularly on his or her own, tickets that are meant to be shared with co-workers should be clearly identified.

"You really want to eliminate any possibility of someone saying, 'I should have been included and was not,'" says Kahn.

There should also be a provision for vacations, since even loyal participants in an office pool might miss one particular drawing, Kahn says. Set up a system where people can put in their contribution before they take off on a trip or if they just stay out of the ticket that week, he says. Last spring, one worker in New York missed out on his share of a $319 million jackpot because he didn't have the two bucks to put into the pool.

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Reply #1 posted 03/29/12 5:03pm

nursev

See that's why I don't play with co-workers-fuck them lol Then you have to sue their ass to get your money lol

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Reply #2 posted 03/29/12 10:27pm

morningsong

our person gives us a copy of all the tickets, the numbers can be checked online. if you know 10 people played at what ever amount then I don't see how you wouldn't know what was up.

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Reply #3 posted 03/30/12 5:45am

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I handle the office lotto pool.

I type up a list of names of everyone who contributed, and photocopy all of the tickets onto that page (luckily our copier handles 11"x17" paper lol ) and EVERYONE gets a copy.

It gets complicated, for example, when we won $6 last week and I bought tickets with that money. A few people contributed to THAT pool but not this week, so I will purchase SEPARATE tickets and make a SEPARATE list that clearly states; "tickets purchased with winnings on xx/xx/xx" and list those past names.

sigh

...that's why I only do this shit when the jackpot is huge.

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Reply #4 posted 03/30/12 6:38am

Shyra

I buy my own tickets. I don't paraticipate in pools just for the reason sighted. With the jackpot so huge, all it takes is one dishonest, greedy mofo to abscond with the winning ticket. That's grounds for murder!

If you won, what would you do with the money? First thing I'd do is KEEP MY MOUTH SHET! Don't tell a soul. That way, nobody knows and won't start harrassing you for money. The only person I would tell would be my brother because our parents are now gone and now he doesn't have anybody to tell my businees to. lol I would give him a big chunk of the money anyway. I would quit my job, build my dream house and then contemplate helping some folk who truly need it, like students who need tuition money, homeless families who truly have tried to make it, but thorugh no fault of their own, have run into hard times. I would definitely do something to help homeless animals.

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Reply #5 posted 03/30/12 8:18am

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Shyra said:

I buy my own tickets. I don't paraticipate in pools just for the reason sighted. With the jackpot so huge, all it takes is one dishonest, greedy mofo to abscond with the winning ticket. That's grounds for murder!

If you won, what would you do with the money? First thing I'd do is KEEP MY MOUTH SHET! Don't tell a soul. That way, nobody knows and won't start harrassing you for money. The only person I would tell would be my brother because our parents are now gone and now he doesn't have anybody to tell my businees to. lol I would give him a big chunk of the money anyway. I would quit my job, build my dream house and then contemplate helping some folk who truly need it, like students who need tuition money, homeless families who truly have tried to make it, but thorugh no fault of their own, have run into hard times. I would definitely do something to help homeless animals.

thumbs up!

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Reply #6 posted 03/30/12 9:38am

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Supposedly it's up to $640million now!!!!

By tonight it'll probably be $700million!!!!

omfg x 1,000,000

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Reply #7 posted 03/30/12 10:14am

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PurpleJedi said:

Supposedly it's up to $640million now!!!!

By tonight it'll probably be $700million!!!!

omfg x 1,000,000

3/4 of a billion Jackpot

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Reply #8 posted 03/30/12 10:20am

morningsong

Completely insane. Somebody's gotta win this time.

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Reply #9 posted 03/30/12 10:21am

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I would buy my own ticket. If I won, I wouldn't tell anyone. I'd keep working and everything just like nothing has happened. I'd be sure to get my tax paperwork straight for when its time to file that next year, make my investments and go from there.

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Reply #10 posted 03/30/12 10:24am

morningsong

How could you keep it a secret? It would be annouced in some kind of public venue, your name would be posted somewhere.

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Reply #11 posted 03/30/12 10:30am

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morningsong said:

How could you keep it a secret? It would be annouced in some kind of public venue, your name would be posted somewhere.

I'd leave my middle initial out. There's plenty of folks with my first and last name.

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Reply #12 posted 03/30/12 10:34am

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morningsong said:

How could you keep it a secret? It would be annouced in some kind of public venue, your name would be posted somewhere.

Before you claim the winnings, speak with a trustworthy accounts/financial planner and attorney; set up an LLC or a foundation and have that claim the winnings.

Since you also, I believe, have 365 days to claim the prize; my plan would be to wait several months until the buzz passed or something else is big news then claim it when people aren't really paying attention.

The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #13 posted 03/30/12 10:55am

morningsong

missfee said:

morningsong said:

How could you keep it a secret? It would be annouced in some kind of public venue, your name would be posted somewhere.

I'd leave my middle initial out. There's plenty of folks with my first and last name.

^ That's cool.

I guess you could always go this route to protect yourself in a group.

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Reply #14 posted 03/30/12 10:55am

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jone70 said:

morningsong said:

How could you keep it a secret? It would be annouced in some kind of public venue, your name would be posted somewhere.

Before you claim the winnings, speak with a trustworthy accounts/financial planner and attorney; set up an LLC or a foundation and have that claim the winnings.

Since you also, I believe, have 365 days to claim the prize; my plan would be to wait several months until the buzz passed or something else is big news then claim it when people aren't really paying attention.

yeahthat

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Reply #15 posted 03/30/12 10:59am

morningsong

jone70 said:

morningsong said:

How could you keep it a secret? It would be annouced in some kind of public venue, your name would be posted somewhere.

Before you claim the winnings, speak with a trustworthy accounts/financial planner and attorney; set up an LLC or a foundation and have that claim the winnings.

Since you also, I believe, have 365 days to claim the prize; my plan would be to wait several months until the buzz passed or something else is big news then claim it when people aren't really paying attention.

Yeah at that amount one would need a financial advisor.

A long time ago, I read the Winner's Handbook and that's the first thing they suggest.

I just read it's public record though, I guess depending on the state folks can request those records for free, so I'm not sure how big of a secret anyone could keep from those who want to find out.

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Reply #16 posted 03/30/12 11:04am

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PurpleJedi said:

jone70 said:

Before you claim the winnings, speak with a trustworthy accounts/financial planner and attorney; set up an LLC or a foundation and have that claim the winnings.

Since you also, I believe, have 365 days to claim the prize; my plan would be to wait several months until the buzz passed or something else is big news then claim it when people aren't really paying attention.

yeahthat

The main drawback with that plan is that I'd have to keep working at my craptastic job until I got the payout!

The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #17 posted 03/30/12 11:09am

PurpleJedi

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jone70 said:

PurpleJedi said:

yeahthat

The main drawback with that plan is that I'd have to keep working at my craptastic job until I got the payout!

hmmm

BUT, at least you could plaster a smile on your face knowing that within XXX-days you will be walking away for good!

nod

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Reply #18 posted 03/30/12 12:05pm

nursev

PurpleJedi said:

I handle the office lotto pool.

I type up a list of names of everyone who contributed, and photocopy all of the tickets onto that page (luckily our copier handles 11"x17" paper lol ) and EVERYONE gets a copy.

It gets complicated, for example, when we won $6 last week and I bought tickets with that money. A few people contributed to THAT pool but not this week, so I will purchase SEPARATE tickets and make a SEPARATE list that clearly states; "tickets purchased with winnings on xx/xx/xx" and list those past names.

sigh

...that's why I only do this shit when the jackpot is huge.

Getting complicated huh? lol

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Reply #19 posted 03/30/12 12:42pm

Shyra

I don't think you have to disclose your identity if you don't want to. About a year ago, someone in the metro DC area won a huge jackpot. They waited a few days/weeks and then consulted an attorney who would not disclose the person's identity. All he would say is that the person was an adult with family. Lotto officials probably would like the winner to pose for pictures for advertising, but I don't think you are required to do that either if you don't want to. I can see why. Just think if one person won this jackpot. Every conniving, greedy, larceny-hearted mofo would be knocking holes in the winner's door begging for a handout.

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Reply #20 posted 03/30/12 1:30pm

morningsong

Shyra said:

I don't think you have to disclose your identity if you don't want to. About a year ago, someone in the metro DC area won a huge jackpot. They waited a few days/weeks and then consulted an attorney who would not disclose the person's identity. All he would say is that the person was an adult with family. Lotto officials probably would like the winner to pose for pictures for advertising, but I don't think you are required to do that either if you don't want to. I can see why. Just think if one person won this jackpot. Every conniving, greedy, larceny-hearted mofo would be knocking holes in the winner's door begging for a handout.

Ha, a collect by proxy type of thing. I could see that working.

One of the first things they advise you to do is change your email address, phone number and possibly get a PO Box to avoid having tons of mail dumped at your house, cause they'll be out like vultures.

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Reply #21 posted 03/30/12 1:33pm

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jone70 said:

morningsong said:

How could you keep it a secret? It would be annouced in some kind of public venue, your name would be posted somewhere.

Before you claim the winnings, speak with a trustworthy accounts/financial planner and attorney; set up an LLC or a foundation and have that claim the winnings.

Since you also, I believe, have 365 days to claim the prize; my plan would be to wait several months until the buzz passed or something else is big news then claim it when people aren't really paying attention.

nod

My sister and brother-in-law are both tax accountants. You better believe they'd be the first ones I'd call. lol

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Reply #22 posted 03/30/12 2:34pm

PurpleJedi

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nursev said:

PurpleJedi said:

I handle the office lotto pool.

I type up a list of names of everyone who contributed, and photocopy all of the tickets onto that page (luckily our copier handles 11"x17" paper lol ) and EVERYONE gets a copy.

It gets complicated, for example, when we won $6 last week and I bought tickets with that money. A few people contributed to THAT pool but not this week, so I will purchase SEPARATE tickets and make a SEPARATE list that clearly states; "tickets purchased with winnings on xx/xx/xx" and list those past names.

sigh

...that's why I only do this shit when the jackpot is huge.

Getting complicated huh? lol

rolleyes You ain't kidding!

I was busy...you know, WORKING...and it was 4:30 and people started freaking out 'cuz I hadn't made the copies of the tickets yet.

hammer

I actually got one lady's email so that I can scan the copies as a PDF and email it to her.

faint

I stopped what I was doing at 4:45 so mostly everyone got their copies (some folks leave at 4:00 so I just left them on their desks).

Don't matter none...I'll be a millionare tomorrow so none of this truly matters.

woot!

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Reply #23 posted 03/30/12 8:21pm

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Well, our office pool won $2 (we got the Megaball right) - my share of the big haul is $.20. neutral

The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #24 posted 03/31/12 10:11am

PurpleJedi

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jone70 said:

Well, our office pool won $2 (we got the Megaball right) - my share of the big haul is $.20. neutral

pat

I can't even bring myself to check the tickets. pout

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Reply #25 posted 03/31/12 12:40pm

morningsong

Ain't it a shame, can I at least get a dollar back?

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Reply #26 posted 04/03/12 7:09am

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Well... The Maryland ticket has problems... neutral

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Reply #27 posted 04/03/12 8:00am

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There was a story from 2002 where a bunch of New Jersey nursing home workers played the office pool and mistakenly thought the co-worker who purchased tickets tried to cheat them out the jackpot. They hired a lawyer and dragged the poor guy's name in the mud. Turns out their office pool never had the winning ticket.

Save yourself the headache and buy your own tickets. Or save your bucks and don't gamble at all. lol

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A Tale of Betrayal Unravels: No Winning Tickets Here

By ROBERT D. McFADDEN
Published: April 30, 2002

The tale of a group of New Jersey nursing home workers locked in a tangle of greed and betrayal over a $58.9 million share in a multistate lottery jackpot ended yesterday with a wheeze. State lottery officials said the mysterious winner was neither the pool of night-shift workers who had whiffed riches, nor the innocent nurse's aide they had berated as a scoundrel for trying to cheat them out of their shares.

As it turned out, a strange combination of happenstance, suspicion and rumor had given life to the story over the past two weeks. While the nurse's aide had insisted all along that he had not won the prize, his co-workers began to have doubts when he called in sick after the drawing. Rumors and speculation grew. Embellishments gained credence. A lawyer was hired. A newspaper story appeared.

The real winner's identity remained a secret, at least until today, when it is to be disclosed at lottery headquarters at Lawrenceville, near Trenton.

But Carole Hedinger, acting executive director of the New Jersey Lottery, said the winner was not Angelito Marquez, the nurse's aide who ran the pool, nor any of the staff members at Newark Extended Care Facility who had been in on it and had hired the lawyer, Anthony H. Guerino, to press their claims.

Ms. Hedinger said Mr. Marquez had indeed bought $100 worth of tickets at a Union, N.J., liquor store on April 15, for the April 16 drawing of the seven-state Big Game jackpot. But none of his tickets was among the three winners -- one each in New Jersey, Georgia and Illinois -- for shares of the $331 million annuity prize (or $58.9 million each if taken as lump sums).

''We know this news is disappointing to several employees at the Newark Extended Care Facility, but there is no evidence to support claims by Mr. Guerino or the group of co-workers he represents,'' Ms. Hedinger said at a crowded news conference called to clear up the confusion.

The proof was in videotapes taken by a surveillance camera at the 1-2-3 Food Mart in Hillside, N.J., showing a middle-aged man buying the winning ticket on April l3 and then returning on April 17 to have it validated. Mr. Guerino and four women who had participated in the pool watched the tape in silence yesterday, well aware that it had shattered their dreams of fortune.

''It's a bittersweet day,'' Mr. Guerino said later. As for his clients, he said, ''I could see them deflate, but there were no tears.''

Trying to lighten the moment, he said that two of the lottery tickets bought by Mr. Marquez for the nursing home pool had been winners -- for $1 each. ''We fell a little short of the mark,'' he said.

One of his clients, Violet Lakhan of Bloomfield, said: ''There was a little disappointment, but we wish the winner good luck and God bless.'' Two others, Edna Jenkins and Florence Smith, both of Newark, said they were looking forward to playing the lottery and working with Mr. Marquez again.

As for Mr. Marquez, a boyish-looking man in his late 20's who lives with his wife and daughter in Union, he was nowhere to be found yesterday. But a woman who identified herself as his mother-in-law told reporters, ''You're barking up the wrong tree.''

The squabble over the evaporated millions began weeks ago when Mr. Marquez, a $300-a-week aide, started collecting money for lottery tickets in dribs and drabs, $2 to $5 each, from fellow attendants caring for elderly and disabled patients on the night shift of the 430-bed nursing home. Twice-a-week drawings had no winners for months, and the lottery prize grew to become the second largest in the nation's history.

As many as 20 workers chipped in, and Mr. Marquez bought the tickets at Shoppers Discount Liquors in Union. He kept the names of contributors and usually gave receipts for the tickets, which never won. But several co-workers said he had failed to give everyone receipts for the April 16 drawing, which came up with a New Jersey winner.

A lawyer for Mr. Marquez, Donald DiGoia, said that co-workers began to suspect that Mr. Marquez had the winning ticket after he called in sick for three days with the flu after the drawing. And when state officials said the winner lived in Union County, rumors at the nursing home got out of hand.

''They just put two and two together and got five,'' the lawyer told The Associated Press.

Mr. Guerino said ''a lot of circumstance, coincidences'' led participants in the pool to suspect that Mr. Marquez had the winning ticket but was holding out on them. As speculation grew, so did the nuances and embellishments, he said, and the story began to take on a life of its own.

''Day by day, it was getting more credibility,'' he said.

Last week, the group of would-be millionaires hired Mr. Guerino, who sent a letter to lottery officials pressing their case. The letter said erroneously that Mr. Marquez always bought the pool tickets in Hillside, where the winner had been bought.

But last Wednesday, the day the letter arrived, a lawyer from Westfield, N.J., Darin D. Pinto, representing an unidentified man, appeared before lottery officials and presented the ticket that proved to be the winner.

As lottery officials undertook an investigation, The Star-Ledger of Newark published an article on Saturday on the workplace pool, quoting participants as saying they had been betrayed and cheated by the person who had taken their money for the lottery tickets. The article added to the confusion by identifying the actual winner's lawyers as lawyers representing Mr. Marquez.

Other news organizations, including The New York Times, picked up the story and clusters of reporters appeared at the nursing home.

By yesterday, things were almost back to normal at the home.

''It's good to have some peace and quiet again,'' said Ray Luague, 22, a pharmacy technician.

Elke Stein, an assistant administrator, said that patient care had not been disrupted, but that the story had forced the administrative staff to field hundreds of calls over the weekend from the news media and other people curious about the goings-on.

''We got a lot of visits,'' she said. ''We had Channel 2, Channel 4, Channel 7, Channel 41 . . . ''

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Reply #28 posted 04/03/12 11:53am

morningsong

The lady in MD hasn't turned in a ticket yet. I don't get it why run to a paper you won and then don't even turn in the ticket. Now her co-workers are all pissed, she's in hiding. People are weird sometimes.

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Reply #29 posted 04/03/12 12:11pm

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Better yet, don't even play the lottery! lol

I guess someone has to win, but I have heard it described as a "tax on the poor" and I tend to believe it.

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