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Thread started 04/01/12 9:10am

imago

BILLIONS of Super-Earths in HABITABLE ZONES!

Scientist have just concluded that 40% of Red Dwarf stars, by far the most common star in the Galaxy, or at least the portion of the galaxy closest to our sun, have at least one Super Earth orbiting them. This is indeed big news. In order to understand the significance of this announcement, one must understand the exact nature of Red dwarfs compared to our sun, and why these Super Earths are so enticing.
Red Dwarfs are in many ways more desirable than the Sun, though in some ways less. First, there are no red dwarfs that have even remotely neared the end of their infancy. That’s not to say that all red dwarfs are recent additions to our universe. Indeed, some of them have been around for billions of years longer than the Sun itself. However, because red dwarfs are low mass stars ( ½ the mass of the sun or smaller), they burn through their fuel at a much slower rate…a much, much, much slower rate. Indeed, the Sun, a large specimen of yellow dwarf star, has a lifespan that will last 10 billions years, where a red dwarf’s lifespan is measured in hundreds of billions of years (or more depending on size). They provide a stable main sequence environment for planets for a comparative infinity compared to stars like the sun (that’s not to say the 2 ½ billion years life have existed on Earth are exactly short by our standards).
Also, it’s been shown that red dwarfs have high likelihood of containing Super Earths in their goldilocks zone--the zone around a star that will support the formation of liquid water (Venus, Earth, and Mars are all in the Goldilocks zone). A Super Earth is a planet whose mass is 1.5 times larger to 10 times larger than the earth on average. The planets on the lower end of that spectrum are definitely believed to be rocky, while planets with 5 to 10 earth masses are sometimes referred to as Small Neptunes—no one knows for sure.
The main reason is that the more massive a planet, the more likely it will attract more gases to form a dense atmosphere—often too dense to support life as we would know it, or sometimes, so dense, that the rocky planet ends up being a rocky core to a gas giant. Neptune itself is a little over 4 earths in diameter, so although nowhere near the size of Jupter, it’s no small globe in the sky. Also, being in the Goldilocks zone with such dense atmospheres means the likelihood of a runaway greenhouse effect, much like what we see on Venus, which although just a smidgeon smaller than earth, has a crushingly dense atmosphere and temperatures in excess of 700 degrees Fahrenheit.
However, Super Earths have one distinct advantage to smaller planets---they will most certainly, if rocky, poses plate technonics (Earth is lucky to have plate techtonics given it's small size and mass. Mars and Venus don't). This means their atmospheres and ocean salinity will remain relatively stable, and planet’s minerals will be recycled. Plate techtonics is now viewed as more than an oddity or a pestilence (thanks to the volcanic and seismic activity they spawn), but as a necessary element for life as we know it.
So, we now know that 40% of red dwarfs definitely have at least one Super Earth in their Goldilocks zone, that these planets will likely have plate tectonics and be potentially the right temperature to support liquid water, and thus life. Moreover, we know that there are at least 150 such known red dwarfs within our neck of the woods---30 light-years of the Sun. If one does the math, and the European Space Agency has done the math, this adds up to tens of billions of Super Earths surrounding the most common type of star in our galaxy in the prime piece of real estate within the stars range of orbit.
The next few years are going to be amazing.
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[Edited 4/1/12 9:20am]

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Reply #1 posted 04/01/12 9:23am

Dave1992

I want to go there as soon as possible.

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Reply #2 posted 04/01/12 9:29am

BobGeorge909

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Dave1992 said:

I want to go there as soon as possible.




U better pull a Ted Williams! :D

I'd loooove to see this kinda thing too.

Every night, I see mars and Venus and Jupiter up there...with my naked eye...and just marvel that there's whole worlds sitting up there like a speck in the sky, with lord knows what goin on on them.....and that's just our little glorious system....who knows what kinda crazy ass shit is out there to discover.
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Reply #3 posted 04/01/12 9:54am

Dave1992

BobGeorge909 said:

Dave1992 said:

I want to go there as soon as possible.

U better pull a Ted Williams! biggrin I'd loooove to see this kinda thing too. Every night, I see mars and Venus and Jupiter up there...with my naked eye...and just marvel that there's whole worlds sitting up there like a speck in the sky, with lord knows what goin on on them.....and that's just our little glorious system....who knows what kinda crazy ass shit is out there to discover.

Yep, I always found that very fascinating indeed.

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Reply #4 posted 04/01/12 10:22am

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Reply #5 posted 04/01/12 10:28am

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NDRU said:

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Reply #6 posted 04/01/12 11:04am

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There is nothing on the horizon that gives us a shot at reaching any of them in our lifetime.

30 lightyears is 30 years traveling at the speed of light. We can't come within 1% of the speed of light.

I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
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Reply #7 posted 04/01/12 11:08am

LadyCasanova

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For some reason I thought this was going to be about Imago's anus neutral

"Aren't you even curious? Don't you want to see the dragon behind the door?"
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Reply #8 posted 04/01/12 11:09am

imago

SUPRMAN said:

There is nothing on the horizon that gives us a shot at reaching any of them in our lifetime.

30 lightyears is 30 years traveling at the speed of light. We can't come within 1% of the speed of light.

Yes, exactly.

I hope nobody got this from my post.

Folks who think intersteller travel, or indeed travel to our own solar system's edge is possible should read Bill Bryson's Short History of Nearly Everything. It so clearly explains the enormity of space that he all but makes it depressing to think about.

According to Bryson, given what we know about technology, there is no hope for any human being in one lifetime of ever reaching the edge of our own solar system....ever.

Now, this is barring any miricales in technology in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Reply #9 posted 04/01/12 11:10am

imago

LadyCasanova said:

For some reason I thought this was going to be about Imago's anus neutral

omfg

I've just added you to my poo list!!!

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Reply #10 posted 04/01/12 11:14am

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LadyCasanova said:

For some reason I thought this was going to be about Imago's anus neutral

i think all topics are.

"Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!"
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Reply #11 posted 04/01/12 11:14am

LadyCasanova

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imago said:

LadyCasanova said:

For some reason I thought this was going to be about Imago's anus neutral

omfg

I've just added you to my poo list!!!

I never thought id get that close to your ass, should I bring a gift? With all those names it must be pretty spacious hmmm

"Aren't you even curious? Don't you want to see the dragon behind the door?"
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Reply #12 posted 04/01/12 12:01pm

KingBAD

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this is why the HAVES don't give a shit about

the earth and how much damage they put on it.

they think they will make it to one of those

places and continue their (family) line as

some kind of ruler of domains when theyget there.

the truth is I THINK the disaster will come to those

who would do such a thing, the earth will heal without them.

but in the future people will seek retrobution and

man will take war to other places because that's whut they do.

is it just me that thinks this???

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
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Reply #13 posted 04/01/12 12:02pm

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imago said:

SUPRMAN said:

There is nothing on the horizon that gives us a shot at reaching any of them in our lifetime.

30 lightyears is 30 years traveling at the speed of light. We can't come within 1% of the speed of light.

Yes, exactly.

I hope nobody got this from my post.

Folks who think intersteller travel, or indeed travel to our own solar system's edge is possible should read Bill Bryson's Short History of Nearly Everything. It so clearly explains the enormity of space that he all but makes it depressing to think about.

According to Bryson, given what we know about technology, there is no hope for any human being in one lifetime of ever reaching the edge of our own solar system....ever.

Now, this is barring any miricales in technology in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

It is depressing. Unless we develop a means to travel faster than light safely it's never gonna happen.

When I say safely, how do you dodge objects in uncharted space travelling faster than the speed of light? We have no maps of places to avoid. How do we know our route won't cross paths with a planet, comet or asteroid?

I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
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Reply #14 posted 04/01/12 12:04pm

SUPRMAN

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KingBAD said:

this is why the HAVES don't give a shit about

the earth and how much damage they put on it.

they think they will make it to one of those

places and continue their (family) line as

some kind of ruler of domains when theyget there.

the truth is I THINK the disaster will come to those

who would do such a thing, the earth will heal without them.

but in the future people will seek retrobution and

man will take war to other places because that's whut they do.

is it just me that thinks this???

Dune, Star Trek, Stargate, all think along similar lines.

Far from being alone.

Human nature always lags human technology.

I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
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Reply #15 posted 04/01/12 12:04pm

imago

LadyCasanova said:

imago said:

omfg

I've just added you to my poo list!!!

I never thought id get that close to your ass, should I bring a gift? With all those names it must be pretty spacious hmmm

falloff

It's as small, perky, and tight as a singularity. batting eyes

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Reply #16 posted 04/01/12 12:11pm

imago

SUPRMAN said:

imago said:

Yes, exactly.

I hope nobody got this from my post.

Folks who think intersteller travel, or indeed travel to our own solar system's edge is possible should read Bill Bryson's Short History of Nearly Everything. It so clearly explains the enormity of space that he all but makes it depressing to think about.

According to Bryson, given what we know about technology, there is no hope for any human being in one lifetime of ever reaching the edge of our own solar system....ever.

Now, this is barring any miricales in technology in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

It is depressing. Unless we develop a means to travel faster than light safely it's never gonna happen.

When I say safely, how do you dodge objects in uncharted space travelling faster than the speed of light? We have no maps of places to avoid. How do we know our route won't cross paths with a planet, comet or asteroid?

I'm from the school of thought that believes we can't break the light barrior nor hope to achieve speeds near the speed of light.

There's a really amazing video on youtube about the false science behind James Cameron's Avatar and intersteller space travel.

Now, some genius may come by one day who manages to show that Einstein is correct at a macro level, but not on a cosmic level, etc.... or perhaps show that his theory of general relativity is part of a larger theory, etc. But, so far scientist have done nothing but prove Einstein correct. Hell, our GPS systems have to account for space-time lags.

I hope that Einstein is proven at least partly wrong. However, I just don't see it...But then again, I could never have picture an iPhone when I was 12 years old either. lol

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Reply #17 posted 04/01/12 12:12pm

NDRU

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BobGeorge909 said:

NDRU said:

neutral

?

What's today's date?

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Reply #18 posted 04/01/12 12:13pm

Dave1992

SUPRMAN said:

imago said:

Yes, exactly.

I hope nobody got this from my post.

Folks who think intersteller travel, or indeed travel to our own solar system's edge is possible should read Bill Bryson's Short History of Nearly Everything. It so clearly explains the enormity of space that he all but makes it depressing to think about.

According to Bryson, given what we know about technology, there is no hope for any human being in one lifetime of ever reaching the edge of our own solar system....ever.

Now, this is barring any miricales in technology in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

It is depressing. Unless we develop a means to travel faster than light safely it's never gonna happen.

When I say safely, how do you dodge objects in uncharted space travelling faster than the speed of light? We have no maps of places to avoid. How do we know our route won't cross paths with a planet, comet or asteroid?

You gotta "split" matter and travel through it by being faster than any possible movement if it's molecules' electrons at any given time! geek

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Reply #19 posted 04/01/12 12:14pm

Dave1992

NDRU said:

BobGeorge909 said:

NDRU said: ?

What's today's date?

I read about the "super-earth" a couple of months ago already!

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Reply #20 posted 04/01/12 12:15pm

NDRU

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Dave1992 said:

NDRU said:

What's today's date?

I read about the "super-earth" a couple of months ago already!

OK I am just on guard for anything anyone says today! smile

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Reply #21 posted 04/01/12 12:21pm

SUPRMAN

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imago said:

SUPRMAN said:

It is depressing. Unless we develop a means to travel faster than light safely it's never gonna happen.

When I say safely, how do you dodge objects in uncharted space travelling faster than the speed of light? We have no maps of places to avoid. How do we know our route won't cross paths with a planet, comet or asteroid?

I'm from the school of thought that believes we can't break the light barrior nor hope to achieve speeds near the speed of light.

There's a really amazing video on youtube about the false science behind James Cameron's Avatar and intersteller space travel.

Now, some genius may come by one day who manages to show that Einstein is correct at a macro level, but not on a cosmic level, etc.... or perhaps show that his theory of general relativity is part of a larger theory, etc. But, so far scientist have done nothing but prove Einstein correct. Hell, our GPS systems have to account for space-time lags.

I hope that Einstein is proven at least partly wrong. However, I just don't see it...But then again, I could never have picture an iPhone when I was 12 years old either. lol

Einstein right on a macro level would be the same as cosmic, no?

As for 'Avatar' the same could be said of Star Trek.

If light is a constant, that doesn't mean we can't shortcut the distances to be travelled.

wormholes, travelling through dimensions, I believe if we survive we'll find a way.

Personally, I'm putting my faith in God and heaven, that from there, I can explore the metaverses (I believe there are multiple universes).

I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
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Reply #22 posted 04/01/12 12:22pm

imago

NDRU said:

Dave1992 said:

I read about the "super-earth" a couple of months ago already!

OK I am just on guard for anything anyone says today! smile

oh it's April 1!!! lol

It's April 2 here neutral

I'm not kidding. The Earth really is round.

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Reply #23 posted 04/01/12 12:22pm

imago

SUPRMAN said:

imago said:

I'm from the school of thought that believes we can't break the light barrior nor hope to achieve speeds near the speed of light.

There's a really amazing video on youtube about the false science behind James Cameron's Avatar and intersteller space travel.

Now, some genius may come by one day who manages to show that Einstein is correct at a macro level, but not on a cosmic level, etc.... or perhaps show that his theory of general relativity is part of a larger theory, etc. But, so far scientist have done nothing but prove Einstein correct. Hell, our GPS systems have to account for space-time lags.

I hope that Einstein is proven at least partly wrong. However, I just don't see it...But then again, I could never have picture an iPhone when I was 12 years old either. lol

Einstein right on a macro level would be the same as cosmic, no?

As for 'Avatar' the same could be said of Star Trek.

If light is a constant, that doesn't mean we can't shortcut the distances to be travelled.

wormholes, travelling through dimensions, I believe if we survive we'll find a way.

Personally, I'm putting my faith in God and heaven, that from there, I can explore the metaverses (I believe there are multiple universes).

It got my terms wrong.

I'm lucky I didn't say Machavelian level.

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Reply #24 posted 04/01/12 12:25pm

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SUPRMAN said:

imago said:

Yes, exactly.

I hope nobody got this from my post.

Folks who think intersteller travel, or indeed travel to our own solar system's edge is possible should read Bill Bryson's Short History of Nearly Everything. It so clearly explains the enormity of space that he all but makes it depressing to think about.

According to Bryson, given what we know about technology, there is no hope for any human being in one lifetime of ever reaching the edge of our own solar system....ever.

Now, this is barring any miricales in technology in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

It is depressing. Unless we develop a means to travel faster than light safely it's never gonna happen.

When I say safely, how do you dodge objects in uncharted space travelling faster than the speed of light? We have no maps of places to avoid. How do we know our route won't cross paths with a planet, comet or asteroid?

they've been workin this for decades already.

SAFELY may be their only issue to date.

when i see the release of scientific research

that is supose to be new (laser beams, microwaves, whutever)

i know that that's the part that govmt. don't care about

lettin it out. a few months back when they were talkin about

bein able to fold space (as a concept) my first thought is

i'm willin to bet they already folded it, they're prolly

workin on military practicality about now...

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
STOP ME IF YOU HEARD THIS BEFORE...
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Reply #25 posted 04/01/12 12:31pm

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imago said:

LadyCasanova said:

I never thought id get that close to your ass, should I bring a gift? With all those names it must be pretty spacious hmmm

falloff

It's as small, perky, and tight as a singularity. batting eyes

In what alternative universe? eek

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
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Reply #26 posted 04/01/12 12:44pm

imago

kewlschool said:

imago said:

falloff

It's as small, perky, and tight as a singularity. batting eyes

In what alternative universe? eek

omfg

brick

my poo list grows!!!!

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Reply #27 posted 04/01/12 12:49pm

NDRU

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imago said:

NDRU said:

OK I am just on guard for anything anyone says today! smile

oh it's April 1!!! lol

It's April 2 here neutral

I'm not kidding. The Earth really is round.

As long as nobody disproves my mood ring's powers I'm cool

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Reply #28 posted 04/01/12 1:23pm

ThisOne

imago said:

kewlschool said:

In what alternative universe? eek

omfg

brick

my poo list grows!!!!

your poo list is lost in space tease

mailto:www.iDon'tThinkSo.com.Uranus
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Reply #29 posted 04/02/12 6:51am

imago

KingBAD said:

SUPRMAN said:

It is depressing. Unless we develop a means to travel faster than light safely it's never gonna happen.

When I say safely, how do you dodge objects in uncharted space travelling faster than the speed of light? We have no maps of places to avoid. How do we know our route won't cross paths with a planet, comet or asteroid?

they've been workin this for decades already.

SAFELY may be their only issue to date.

when i see the release of scientific research

that is supose to be new (laser beams, microwaves, whutever)

i know that that's the part that govmt. don't care about

lettin it out. a few months back when they were talkin about

bein able to fold space (as a concept) my first thought is

i'm willin to bet they already folded it, they're prolly

workin on military practicality about now...

I'm struggling to see how though.

Because the e=mc^2 equation shows (and it's been proven) that the faster an object accelerates towards the speed of light, the more mass it obtains, and therefore the more energy you need to push it along. Eventually, you need an infinite amount of energy to reach light speed, and this isn't possible.

I mean, I wish...I hope that it's possible. But given Einsteins theory combined with the Fermi Paradox, I'm sort of not too hopeful on this. sad

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