Last night I had unplanned run-ins with not one, but two past friends with whom I shared strained romantic ties. With one, the exchange was rather short, painful and… uh… “dismissive.” (He deserved it.) With the other, I chatted for about an hour about what goes wrong in relationships, what we learned and what our hopes were for future chances to love. (Incidentally, I suspect we'll think of one-another fondly forever.)

Anyway, the whole thing made me think of two lyrics that have stuck with me over the years:
“Even a love that crowns may crucify.” –MeShell N’degeocello
“Fight 4 perfect love until it’s perfect love he makes. When he’s happy, then his battle will be won.” –Prince

My question to you all: Do you think a human is capable of perfect love, or only God? Do emotions, needs and fears always get in the way somehow, necessarily fusing love with pain?
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I think we are.

It's just that we do not live in a perfect world, and that part gets in the way all the time.

There is no such thing as perfect (flawless) when humans are involved.
What I define perfect is to accept the person as she/he is because their flaws are part of who they are, and if you love them for who they are, you should love their flaws too.

I think we are able to do feel how is or can be the perfect love, but to lieve it like it should been, we have got to learn first. Or better said: to relearn to love.

"Perfect" is an anti-concept. It causes nothing but confusion...

I only use it loosely to occasionally express delight at something.

teller said:

Good call. Unfortunately, perfect isn't real. Kinda like the word "normal".

Perfect only exists when speaking of the though of being rubbed down with hot oil by a naked Lenny Kravitz.




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Due to the humanistic flawed tendencies within humans, one must say that the answer to this question is an unfortunate no.

INSATIABLE said:

There is no such thing as "perfect love." It is pointless to even discuss it, as there is no perfection in human emotions. Human emotions are weighed against internal mind-states and since these mind-states are not shared with any other human, your idea of "perfection" is not someone else's idea of "perfection" and the whole idea of a love without suffering is futile.

Happiness cannot be known without knowledge of pain.

I would not want to live in a world without pain, as happiness would not be nearly as sweet.

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If that's the case, then what is Julian Cope singing about in 'The Greatness And Perfection Of Love', then?


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SexLovely said:

Humans aren't perfect and neither is love.. Everyone has their own opinions of what perfect is.. so as I feel as long as you are fully happy and there is one person in this world that completes you, then to me that is perfect love..But ideally there is no such thing when you break it down.

LaVisHh said:

Heavenly said:

Don't you me.

LaVisHh said:

ok then...

IceNine said:

Oh gees! That was just so beautiful.. makes me want to run right out and jump into a relationship!
love without suffering is futile FUN!



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Muse2noPharaoh said:

You took the thought right out of my head!

LaVisHh said:

Im known to do that... and we arent even yahooing! Not bad huh?

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JC said:

Lammastide said:

i dont think humans are capable of perfect anything!! especially love.

and to be honest i think perfection would drive you nuts after awhile, a good fall out now and again can lead to a good make up!!!

Muse2noPharaoh said:

Great minds think alike.

JC said:

I agree, like George W Bush and Tony Blair for example.

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INSATIABLE said:

Interesting. With this sort of subjectivism, the question becomes not "Are humans capable of perfect love?" but "Are my partner and I, specifically, capable of it?" That makes a lot of sense, I guess.

giotto said:

Im thinking... That in the next election they should just run together! We could have a international election!

IceNine said:

I agree with Ice on this.

But, keep in mind that once you accept this, than beautiful love can in fact bloom...

Unreasonable expectations are what get in the way of love.

there is no such thing as perfection, only improvement.