Graycap23 said:

PurpleJedi said:

Because acknowledging that there were sophisticated pre-Columbian civilizations in North America would debunk the myth of "savages" roaming around in tee-pees half-naked, just begging for white men to make them "civilized".

It doesn't need debunking. Anyone who can chew gum and breathe at the same time KNOWS the lies that have been told and that are reinforced every single day. The lies are being exposed.

Would be nice to think so, but I'm afraid that the myth has been ingrained in our collective conscience, and the majority of people (who aren't "interested" in the subject and don't read up on the matter) tend to believe the "noble savage" idea.

PurpleJedi said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Why did I not know about this!! Thanks for sharing.

Because acknowledging that there were sophisticated pre-Columbian civilizations in North America would debunk the myth of "savages" roaming around in tee-pees half-naked, just begging for white men to make them "civilized".

The problem is that smallpox killed so many millions of native americans in the 1400's-1600's that by the time Europe started to colonize the once great civilization had been reduced to pockets of tribes throught out the country.

No way am I saying that there were savages btw.

XxAxX said:

lust said:

Cool. Ok, what are the pyramids for?

nah. it's up to YOU to educate yourself on this stuff, and, preferably before you attempt to speak on it

That's a bit harsh. You just invited people to come to you for the answers so I asked a question for you to tell me to go and educate myself. I don't know where you are coming from on this. In any case it is reasonable to pose questions in a conversation without being told to run along and get educated, no?

XxAxX said:

lust said:

I always though they were tombs. That will teach me to respect the years of research done by mere leading egyptologists. I should just ask the experts. Anyway, pick the most exciting and other wordly hypothesis and go with that. That seems to be the modus operandi around here.

okay. now that we’ve demonstrated that you are not an expert on pyramid design, history, and intended purpose, (see, posts above), i’d like to ask you this: why do you behave this way on the ORG? my questions arises from the interactions that you and I have had lately, exchanges in which you attempt to disqualify my opinions, and the opinions of others, on topics about which even the experts have no final answers. take for example your posts here. even though you do not really know about the pyramids, you show up on this thread and make digs at other people’s creative ideas. so i’m curious. why do you do this?

[Edited 3/1/12 6:33am]

Look. XxAxX, this is not personal, let's not make it so. We have different world views that's all. In both cases they are not harming to other people so it's all good. This is not a website dedicated to believers in alien visitation and you should be prepared and accepting to skeptical enquiry to a topic that is not established as fact. We are here to discuss differing opinions not stroke each others egos.

I don't really understand how you are approaching this. You say on one hand that even the experts don't have all the answers (which is of course absolutely correct) but then you claim to have the answers? Or is it that a lack of answers implies aliens must have done it? That is the god of the gaps argument but in this case the god is aliens.

I, hand on heart would honestly love to believe that aliens have been here or that they are responsible for the pyramids but I see a huge gap between the hypothesis and the conclusion.

Last night I watched an episode of ancient aliens and it was honestly dreadful. The narrator poses questions such as "could the ancient Israelites have had alien technology?" Then they interview This Rob Schneider looking mofo below who ends with statements like "clearly they had alien technology". Clearly? So how did we get to that definitive conclusion?

The Old Testament states that the Israelites blew a shofar (a rams horn that makes an annoying noise and is present and is used in any synagogue today) and It made the walls of Jericho fall down. That's it. So Giorgio concludes that clearly they had a sonic weapon like the military and police use today. Really? So we have to presuppose that the miracles in the OT really happened to then be clear that this rams horn was an alien sonic weapon. You don't see a disconnect?

He also states that any conical shaped sculpture or painting is "clearly" a rocket. Chinese paintings of dragons breathing fire. "clearly" a cultural representation of a spaceship. That's clear? No, it isn't clear at all. The show doesn't even attempt to present balance by interviewing people who offer a more earthly explanation to some of these alleged anomalies.

You've asked me about my behaviour on the org and why I make digs at peoples creative ideas. I'm all for creative ideas but a creative idea and presenting one as an empirical truth are two very different things. In regards to my behaviour, could you be any more condescending toward me? This is an open an honest discussion forum where opinions can be expressed freely and doing so should not be reduced to accusations of bad behaviour. If I ask a question of your beliefs and you have an opinion on it then answer it, maybe that way we can both learn from each other, maybe not but like I said this is not an issue that hurts anyone so to quote Jack Nicholson when talking to his alien visitors "why can't we all just get along"?

BlackAdder7 said:

Oh great this is All I need. Now this is all xxaxx is going to talk about in bed and not because she wants try that position either thanks for nothing

don't be silly dear. there's plenty of time for sex after i address the Least's post, above

lust said:

XxAxX said:

okay. now that we’ve demonstrated that you are not an expert on pyramid design, history, and intended purpose, (see, posts above), i’d like to ask you this: why do you behave this way on the ORG? my questions arises from the interactions that you and I have had lately, exchanges in which you attempt to disqualify my opinions, and the opinions of others, on topics about which even the experts have no final answers. take for example your posts here. even though you do not really know about the pyramids, you show up on this thread and make digs at other people’s creative ideas. so i’m curious. why do you do this?

[Edited 3/1/12 6:33am]

stuff

Look. XxAxX, this is not personal, let's not make it so. We have different world views that's all. In both cases they are not harming to other people so it's all good. This is not a website dedicated to believers in alien visitation and you should be prepared and accepting to skeptical enquiry to a topic that is not established as fact. We are here to discuss differing opinions not stroke each others egos.

i found your comment above:

I feel sorry for real historians who work so hard to advance human understanding when the masses are more interested in this pre packaged psuedoscientific bunk. I admit it can be fun to watch but don't think of it as education. It's just all a bit silly.

to be condescending. YOU made it personal. YOU started the snarky comments about other people's ideas.

I don't really understand how you are approaching this. You say on one hand that even the experts don't have all the answers (which is of course absolutely correct) but then you claim to have the answers? Or is it that a lack of answers implies aliens must have done it? That is the god of the gaps argument but in this case the god is aliens.

once again your sense of humor is... not there. that was sarcasm.

I, hand on heart would honestly love to believe that aliens have been here or that they are responsible for the pyramids but I see a huge gap between the hypothesis and the conclusion.

Last night I watched an episode of ancient aliens and it was honestly dreadful. The narrator poses questions such as "could the ancient Israelites have had alien technology?" Then they interview This Rob Schneider looking mofo below who ends with statements like "clearly they had alien technology". Clearly? So how did we get to that definitive conclusion?

NO one has any definitive conslusions. this is the point. not you, not me.

The Old Testament states that the Israelites blew a shofar (a rams horn that makes an annoying noise and is present and is used in any synagogue today) and It made the walls of Jericho fall down. That's it. So Giorgio concludes that clearly they had a sonic weapon like the military and police use today. Really? So we have to presuppose that the miracles in the OT really happened to then be clear that this rams horn was an alien sonic weapon. You don't see a disconnect?

I see the possibility that something we don't know about was being used. there is no disconenct, only an idea that you deem unsupportable. again, you do not have the answers. why pretend you do?

XxAxX said:

BlackAdder7 said:

Oh great this is All I need. Now this is all xxaxx is going to talk about in bed and not because she wants try that position either thanks for nothing

don't be silly dear. there's plenty of time for sex after i address the Least's post, above

Really? I feel like I'm back in the school playground.

lust said:

XxAxX said:

don't be silly dear. there's plenty of time for sex after i address the Least's post, above

Really? I feel like I'm back in the school playground.

it's on your level, the one you set when you posted this:

It's anomoly hunting to support a whack theory.

XxAxX said:

lust said:

NO one has any definitive conslusions. this is the point. not you, not me.

The Old Testament states that the Israelites blew a shofar (a rams horn that makes an annoying noise and is present and is used in any synagogue today) and It made the walls of Jericho fall down. That's it. So Giorgio concludes that clearly they had a sonic weapon like the military and police use today. Really? So we have to presuppose that the miracles in the OT really happened to then be clear that this rams horn was an alien sonic weapon. You don't see a disconnect?

I see the possibility that something we don't know about was being used. there is no disconenct, only an idea that you deem unsupportable. again, you do not have the answers. why pretend you do?

I think you should have taken more time to calm down before you responded. I tried to be reasonable and explain where I am coming from but you just bit back. Please don't take this all so personally. We might even get on on real life, we just disagree on this stuff, it's no big deal.

XxAxX said:

lust said:

Really? I feel like I'm back in the school playground.

it's on your level, the one you set when you posted this:

It's anomoly hunting to support a whack theory.

That's not personal, ribbing my name is, yes my name, my family name.

Grow up. If you can't accept your ideas being critisised on a public forum then find a site dedicated to your beliefs.

For my part, the olive branch is always on offer. Your call though.

lust said:

XxAxX said:

it's on your level, the one you set when you posted this:

It's anomoly hunting to support a whack theory.

That's not personal, ribbing my name is, yes my name, my family name.

Grow up. If you can't accept your ideas being critisised on a public forum then find a site dedicated to your beliefs.

For my part, the olive branch is always on offer. Your call though.

no, YOU grow up. lust, i don't hate you, i just don't understand what it is you feel you get from doing what you do on threads like this.

lust said:

XxAxX said:

I think you should have taken more time to calm down before you responded. I tried to be reasonable and explain where I am coming from but you just bit back. Please don't take this all so personally. We might even get on on real life, we just disagree on this stuff, it's no big deal.

Lust said: Bottom line is that a lot of what is on the history channel is to education what the spice girls were to music or what Mcdonalds is to haute cuisine.

^reasonable eh? your knowlege base is greater than that of the history channel? really?????

XxAxX said:

lust said:

XxAxX said:

Lust said: Bottom line is that a lot of what is on the history channel is to education what the spice girls were to music or what Mcdonalds is to haute cuisine.

^reasonable eh? your knowlege base is greater than that of the history channel? really?????

No. I didn't suggest that. I stand by my claim that "a lot" of it is not of a high educational standard though. The conclusions on ancient aliens would nit be permitted in a school history curriculum anywhere in the world. What can I do to diffuse this situation? [Edited 3/1/12 16:26pm]

spell 'defuse' correctly :olivebranch:

XxAxX said:

^ don't worry! when the aliens return from their inter galactic prospecting journey the pyramids will activate, radiating brain rays into the earth's atmosphere and triggering spontaneous genetic alterations in the cerebrum, allowing human kind to download information directly into their gray matter. there will be no more spelling errorsorsss on that glorious day~!*

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XxAxX said:

lust said:

XxAxX said:

^ don't worry! when the aliens return from their inter galactic prospecting journey the pyramids will activate, radiating brain rays into the earth's atmosphere and triggering spontaneous genetic alterations in the cerebrum, allowing human kind to download information directly into their gray matter. there will be no more spelling errorsorsss on that glorious day~!*

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Anem to that.

whut language is that?

let's stick to the language

of enlightenment. ENGLISH!!!

lust said:

^ XxAxX and I were engaged in a joke about bad spelling so I purposefully misspelt amen. Obviously a bad move if I had to explain it. "whut" was I thinking? [Edited 3/1/12 22:32pm]

"by jove i think you've got it!!!"

haha! next they'll be trying to tell us that God and Allah are real!!!

what utter knob-rottery

KingBAD said:

RicoN said:

lazycrockett said:

PurpleJedi said:

Because acknowledging that there were sophisticated pre-Columbian civilizations in North America would debunk the myth of "savages" roaming around in tee-pees half-naked, just begging for white men to make them "civilized".

The problem is that smallpox killed so many millions of native americans in the 1400's-1600's that by the time Europe started to colonize the once great civilization had been reduced to pockets of tribes throught out the country.

No way am I saying that there were savages btw.

I forget the exact figures, but basically there was a devastating collapse of the population of the Americas after the Spaniards brought smallpox over here. I think that in some areas as much as 90% of the populations perished.

So by the time the English started "settling", they often found large swaths of cleared land just ready for planting with nary an owner in sight (the reason why there are so many "XXX-fields" in America...Springfield, Bakersfield, etc.).

Once there was a case in Massachussets I read in the paper about, where they found evidence of fishbones in a pre-columbian cornfield that the authorities were refusing to acknowledge because then it would confirm that the native peoples used to farm the land (and fertilize it with fishes), thereby contradicting the long-established justification of the European conquest of lands "not being used" by the natives.

...don't get me started...it's been years since this stuff has angered me...

lust said:

RicoN said:

haha! next they'll be trying to tell us that God and Allah are real!!!

what utter knob-rottery

Knob-rottery? I like that. The term that is!

the condition's quite painful

"JEROME, stop me at 17..."

RicoN said:

we will find out for sure Dec 21st!