Maybe I'm just thinking outloud but I wonder how anyone reacts when a loved one suffers an addiction, it can be any type: drug, alcohol, gambling, etc.

I also wonder for someone who has addiction in the family, is it much harder to stay away from it? Is it hereditary or is it something that can be easily stopped?

Just wondering about this...

there are many who are tryin to bring light

of this very subject to a broader number of people.

but the truth is that denial plays a greater part in NOT

bein able to address whut it now and has been a social

epidemic, there's even startin to be an addiction to

shows dealin with addictions.

the truth is,

addictions have been delt with accordin to race and cost

effectiveness. such as, WOULD IT ALARM YOU TO KNOW

THAT THERRE IS A TRIBE SUING FOR 500 MILLION

BECAUSE FOUR (4) STORES IN A TOWN WITH A DOZEN

SOULS IN IT SOLD OVER 5 MILLION CANS OF BEER IN 2010?

look up OGLALA tribe s. dakota

now you would think the companies that sell beer

to those stores would already knowin the demographics

of the area would find 5mil cans of beer in a town of 12

a bit much, and if it affected anyone but those natives, IT WOULD

BE A PROLLUM, but it is not. and to blame the natives

is an insult. for decades they have been mechendised too

even knowin the disaster it could cause in their communities.

now do i need to speak of MALT LIQUOR in the black communities?

or anything else that don't pertain to white upper class?

only when it goes up the ladder does it get FULL ATTENTION

plenty of us HAVE NOTS are white now, so it's not JUST a color thang.

but until recent years, that's all it was

^ Interesting points... it definitely is an epidemic. I feel for the most part that addictions get swept under the rug. You definitely brought up some great points.

I thought that this was going to be about our addiction to prince.org

PurpleJedi said:

I thought that this was going to be about our addiction to prince.org

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PurpleJedi said:

I thought that this was going to be about our addiction to prince.org

Timmy84 said:

PurpleJedi said:

I thought that this was going to be about our addiction to prince.org

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KingBAD said:

PurpleJedi said:

I thought that this was going to be about our addiction to prince.org

come on man...you know you're hooked...

It seems that a lot of addictions come out of inability to deal with life's ups and downs (Besides the hereditary thing.) Not having emotional support (via family) for life can also contribute.

I have immediate family member(s) that are alcoholics. The alcohol is their coping mechanism. I think it started out as fun turned into a crutch and "easy fix" for their problems. Which really means let's mask our problems with booze ( food/drug of choice etc.) and not deal with them.

Is it harder to stay away from it?? I could see where it might be-depends on a person's life situation.

If I was raised in a house where drugs and booze where all around-I might pick up that as a normal way of life and do as I see and not as I'm told. It's a complex problem, I don't see how I or anyone can make blanket statements on to whether it's harder or not, and to what degree if at all.

^ Yeah I understand. I just wanted to know because every time I read about it, it seems to be that if alcohol and drugs are always around someone's home, somehow the child that grows up around it would think it was normalcy and that's what leads to them being defensive when they try to get you out of it. Especially if you go at it hard, you're definitely covering up a lot of pain inside and maybe you think you can do it on your own before you realize it's too late. I used to think it was easy to leave addiction. Reading stories on several folks who get addicted, it doesn't seem to be the case.

kewlschool said:

It seems that a lot of addictions come out of inability to deal with life's ups and downs (Besides the hereditary thing.) Not having emotional support (via family) for life can also contribute.

I have immediate family member(s) that are alcoholics. The alcohol is their coping mechanism. I think it started out as fun turned into a crutch and "easy fix" for their problems. Which really means let's mask our problems with booze ( food/drug of choice etc.) and not deal with them.

Is it harder to stay away from it?? I could see where it might be-depends on a person's life situation.

If I was raised in a house where drugs and booze where all around-I might pick up that as a normal way of life and do as I see and not as I'm told. It's a complex problem, I don't see how I or anyone can make blanket statements on to whether it's harder or not, and to what degree if at all.

Absolutely.

Not being able to cope or deal with things is a surefire route to addiction. Alcohol, drugs, food, even sex.

My dad was a drunk when I was young. Beer and booze was all around me. Yet, I looked at that man and wanted to be nothing like that, and I stayed away from the stuff. I am not lying when I say that I only started drinking beer 3-4 years ago (I'm 41 btw). Getting drunk really has no major appeal, but I go out occassionally now and get drinking to be social. I picked a different addiction to "escape" and deal with the shit happening around me...that would be this damned site.

Indian Tribe Sues for Damages in Alcohol Abuse Case

By Join Together Staff | February 10, 2012 | Leave a comment | Filed inAlcohol, Community Related, Legal, Prevention & Youth

An American Indian tribe in South Dakota is demanding $500 million in damages, in a suit against beer manufacturers that alleges the companies knowingly contributed to alcohol-related problems on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

The Associated Press reports the Oglala Sioux Tribe of South Dakota is suing for damages for the cost of health care, social services and child rehabilitation that was caused by chronic alcoholism. The tribe is also suing four off-site beer stores in a nearby town in Nebraska that sold almost five million cans of beer in 2010. The stores are located in Whiteclay, a town of only about a dozen residents, the article notes. The tribe’s leaders blame the beer stores for chronic alcohol abuse and bootlegging on the reservation, which bans alcohol.

The beer companies named in the suit are Anheuser-Busch InBev Worldwide, SAB Miller, Molson Coors Brewing Co., MillerCoors LLC and Pabst Brewing Co.

The suit alleges the beer makers and stores sold their products to residents of the reservation, knowing they would smuggle the alcohol into the reservation, either to drink or resell. The reservation, which is the size of Connecticut, has long struggled with alcoholism. According to the AP, the lawsuit says one in four children born on the reservation suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.

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now when i was a kid we always heard about indians and firewater

we always heard about heroin and black folks, wiskey and the irish, etc...

you want to know if it's hereditary, it is. i say that because when you spend years

seein your people go through the things they go through as a result of the various

things one tends to feel there's no other route to go, espeacially when the people

you count on for education lead you to believe THAT IS YOUR LOT IN LIFE.

when we break the cycle and think we have escaped, we can still fall into addictions

just tryin to live life like those around us. then all it takes is to get caught up

just for a little while, then watch the cards fall all around us, wonderin " how the fuck did that happen?"

KingBAD said:

Indian Tribe Sues for Damages in Alcohol Abuse Case

By Join Together Staff | February 10, 2012 | Leave a comment | Filed inAlcohol, Community Related, Legal, Prevention & Youth

An American Indian tribe in South Dakota is demanding $500 million in damages, in a suit against beer manufacturers that alleges the companies knowingly contributed to alcohol-related problems on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

The Associated Press reports the Oglala Sioux Tribe of South Dakota is suing for damages for the cost of health care, social services and child rehabilitation that was caused by chronic alcoholism. The tribe is also suing four off-site beer stores in a nearby town in Nebraska that sold almost five million cans of beer in 2010. The stores are located in Whiteclay, a town of only about a dozen residents, the article notes. The tribe’s leaders blame the beer stores for chronic alcohol abuse and bootlegging on the reservation, which bans alcohol.

The beer companies named in the suit are Anheuser-Busch InBev Worldwide, SAB Miller, Molson Coors Brewing Co., MillerCoors LLC and Pabst Brewing Co.

The suit alleges the beer makers and stores sold their products to residents of the reservation, knowing they would smuggle the alcohol into the reservation, either to drink or resell. The reservation, which is the size of Connecticut, has long struggled with alcoholism. According to the AP, the lawsuit says one in four children born on the reservation suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.

________________________________________________________________________________

now when i was a kid we always heard about indians and firewater

we always heard about heroin and black folks, wiskey and the irish, etc...

you want to know if it's hereditary, it is. i say that because when you spend years

seein your people go through the things they go through as a result of the various

things one tends to feel there's no other route to go, espeacially when the people

you count on for education lead you to believe THAT IS YOUR LOT IN LIFE.

when we break the cycle and think we have escaped, we can still fall into addictions

just tryin to live life like those around us. then all it takes is to get caught up

just for a little while, then watch the cards fall all around us, wonderin " how the fuck did that happen?"

Yeah it seems to happen in cycles...

KingBAD said:

Indian Tribe Sues for Damages in Alcohol Abuse Case

By Join Together Staff | February 10, 2012 | Leave a comment | Filed inAlcohol, Community Related, Legal, Prevention & Youth

An American Indian tribe in South Dakota is demanding $500 million in damages, in a suit against beer manufacturers that alleges the companies knowingly contributed to alcohol-related problems on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

The Associated Press reports the Oglala Sioux Tribe of South Dakota is suing for damages for the cost of health care, social services and child rehabilitation that was caused by chronic alcoholism. The tribe is also suing four off-site beer stores in a nearby town in Nebraska that sold almost five million cans of beer in 2010. The stores are located in Whiteclay, a town of only about a dozen residents, the article notes. The tribe’s leaders blame the beer stores for chronic alcohol abuse and bootlegging on the reservation, which bans alcohol.

The beer companies named in the suit are Anheuser-Busch InBev Worldwide, SAB Miller, Molson Coors Brewing Co., MillerCoors LLC and Pabst Brewing Co.

The suit alleges the beer makers and stores sold their products to residents of the reservation, knowing they would smuggle the alcohol into the reservation, either to drink or resell. The reservation, which is the size of Connecticut, has long struggled with alcoholism. According to the AP, the lawsuit says one in four children born on the reservation suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.

________________________________________________________________________________

now when i was a kid we always heard about indians and firewater

we always heard about heroin and black folks, wiskey and the irish, etc...

you want to know if it's hereditary, it is. i say that because when you spend years

seein your people go through the things they go through as a result of the various

things one tends to feel there's no other route to go, espeacially when the people

you count on for education lead you to believe THAT IS YOUR LOT IN LIFE.

when we break the cycle and think we have escaped, we can still fall into addictions

just tryin to live life like those around us. then all it takes is to get caught up

just for a little while, then watch the cards fall all around us, wonderin " how the fuck did that happen?"

King...I hear what you're saying...I think that thanks to my dad's genes, I have a good chance of becoming a raging alcoholic if I allow myself to get out of control.

But that lawsuit is ridiculous. Seriously, WHAT DO YOU THINK the public reaction would be if Budweiser and Coors and them just up and said, "From now on, we won't distribute beer to areas near ghettos and/or reservations"???

I'll tell you what...there would be cries of racism and profiling from coast-to-coast.

Honestly man...I live in a primarily black/hispanic community. If I had to drive three towns away to the white areas to buy my shit, I would be raising hell.

You definitely made a good point about EDUCATION! We as a people and a greater community need to stop making lawyers filthy-rich, stop making Budweiser filthy-rich, and somehow pay heed to the elders and pastors and "squares" and stop idolizing booze.

The Native Americans are a special case due to the legitimate genetic predisposition to alchoholism, and I applaud their laws prohibiting alcohol on the reservations...but for the rest of the country, prohibition ended in the 40's.

What's weird is that alcohol is a culture unto itself. I don't drink alcohol, but it's cool if people drink or get drunk around me. But, new people look at me as some weird dude who doesn't drink. Like there is something wrong with me. WTH! I just don't drink-not a big deal to me. But to them it's a huge deal.

I think it's because the black community has been so used to things like cigarettes and alcohol (as well as weed, cocaine, heroin, etc.) that it's almost impossible to depart from it especially if it's around your neighborhood, your local stores or your home.

I'm starting to think addiction is a real disease.

kewlschool said:

What's weird is that alcohol is a culture unto itself. I don't drink alcohol, but it's cool if people drink or get drunk around me. But, new people look at me as some weird dude who doesn't drink. Like there is something wrong with me. WTH! I just don't drink-not a big deal to me. But to them it's a huge deal.

Yeah people back when my parents were growing up would call you square if you didn't smoke cigarettes or drink any liquor. Because smoking was "hip" and alcohol, you were "the life of the party". Then years later, the "hip" thing led to them losing their voice and lives, and the "life of the party" became "the bum of the month". It's like that with weed too. If you don't smoke weed, people think you ain't shit.

the disease of alcoholism and addiction

is just that, a disease and should be

treated as such, meanin there should

be more done to educate everyone...

I have my vices (cigarettes and weed) and turn to them on a constant basis, but I don't consider myself an addict, just a creature of habit.

I can go spend a week or two visiting my parents in Texas. I will smoke cigarettes like a chimney on the ride out there (I leave the weed in California), but once I'm there I can go the entire time without a cigarette. No smoking whatsoever, simply out of respect to my mom. Those last few days are tough because I know I'm about to jump back on my horse, but I get through it fine.

Let me try to go a day without smoking at home - NEVER MAKE IT.

Now of course I'd love to give up the cigarettes...weed, NEVER.

And I don't think I'm super cool because I burn ganja...I don't look at those who don't as square. It's the folks who tend to put weed in the same category as cigarettes and alcohol that piss me off.

There has been tons of testing done...cigarettes and alcohol are WAAAY more damaging than weed, so why are they legal while the herb isn't?

hmmm, well my father used to do drugs sadly & also was an alcholic as well. While that can make most people i guess hereditary have chances of doing it more...

But it made me NOT want to do it, his side of the family they where are all smoking & drinking at a very young age. So that kind of thing is in my genes i guess, but after saying the way they fucked up

I was like no, i have never smoke, never done drugs, and drink ocassionally. And i'm happy with that

Gunsnhalen said:

hmmm, well my father used to do drugs sadly & also was an alcholic as well. While that can make most people i guess hereditary have chances of doing it more...

But it made me NOT want to do it, his side of the family they where are all smoking & drinking at a very young age. So that kind of thing is in my genes i guess, but after saying the way they fucked up

I was like no, i have never smoke, never done drugs, and drink ocassionally. And i'm happy with that

Timmy84 said:

Maybe I'm just thinking outloud but I wonder how anyone reacts when a loved one suffers an addiction, it can be any type: drug, alcohol, gambling, etc.

I also wonder for someone who has addiction in the family, is it much harder to stay away from it? Is it hereditary or is it something that can be easily stopped?

Just wondering about this...

tell me if you find an answer....

A counselor once told me that addictions like alcoholism skip a generation. Like if your grandparents were alcoholics, your parent who was affected by it will most likely be very against it and therefore never touch a drop of alcohol, but then one of their children will end up being an alcoholic and so on.

I think he raised a good point, but obviously this is not ALWAYS the case. Addiction runs RAMPANT in a lot of families and so it's prob a mix of genetics and you're a product of your environment.

Also enablers often seek out people with addictions in effort to 'save' them, in the way that they were never able to 'save' their parent or whoever that had an addiction. So it's a cycle.

How is it to be around someone with an addiction? Well obviously it sucks. It's a hard line between helping them and enabling them. Theres always a lot of guilt. You're trying to please them or you take the blame for thier 'sickness'.

To me, addiction is just imbalance, with a million forms like drugs, eating, drinking, TV sex, internet, hoarding, cleaning, God, exercise...

It's clearly hard to be a human being and to have consciousness, and that makes us do stupid things like drink, take drugs, or engage in risky behavior.

And having free will seems to make us overthink things, and sometimes what seems like a good thing is actually an addiction.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

A counselor once told me that addictions like alcoholism skip a generation. Like if your grandparents were alcoholics, your parent who was affected by it will most likely be very against it and therefore never touch a drop of alcohol, but then one of their children will end up being an alcoholic and so on.

Lemme also think out loud and say that the street and the prescription drugs today aren't the same shit from our parents day. This mess is stronger, more addictive and more damaging. Seems like everybody has some kind of drug in their home be it prescribed, OTC or from your homie round the way.

And can we also include food addiction? Sugar and Caffeine specifically.

As for alchohol addiction, that shit don't skip a generation it goes right to the offspring and they are more subsceptible to other addictions as well. Iv'e seen this with family members. Damn shame too.

addicted to ocean waves sand between the toes n my babe in a bkini

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HotGritz said:

Lemme also think out loud and say that the street and the prescription drugs today aren't the same shit from our parents day. This mess is stronger, more addictive and more damaging. Seems like everybody has some kind of drug in their home be it prescribed, OTC or from your homie round the way.

And can we also include food addiction? Sugar and Caffeine specifically.

As for alchohol addiction, that shit don't skip a generation it goes right to the offspring and they are more subsceptible to other addictions as well. Iv'e seen this with family members. Damn shame too.

I don't think prescription medication was any safer long time ago. Remember Elvis got hooked to that shit...

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

Lemme also think out loud and say that the street and the prescription drugs today aren't the same shit from our parents day. This mess is stronger, more addictive and more damaging. Seems like everybody has some kind of drug in their home be it prescribed, OTC or from your homie round the way.

And can we also include food addiction? Sugar and Caffeine specifically.

As for alchohol addiction, that shit don't skip a generation it goes right to the offspring and they are more subsceptible to other addictions as well. Iv'e seen this with family members. Damn shame too.

I don't think prescription medication was any safer long time ago. Remember Elvis got hooked to that shit...

the drug companies are way worse than your

street level pusher, and they design drugs that

will sell in the pharmacy and on the streets.

as far as addictive behaviors, the more we as a people

or society keep strivin for more and more convenience

and compfort, we create more of that behvior patern.