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Reply #60 posted 02/17/12 11:52am

2elijah

Timmy84 said:

dreamfactory313 said:

Im sick of Tavis and Dr West. Two arrogant assholes who take their opinions too seriously.

I've been sick of them buffoons.

Anyways, I saw Viola in her Oprah interview, she looks so beautiful and dignified. nod

lol I saw that interview. I admire her. I had no idea her life growing up was very poor, and she didn't let that stop her dreams/goals. When you look at where she came from (economically) and where she is now, she's definitely a great role model for those who think that coming from poor beginnings, that they can't make it in this world. I love her attitude and strength.

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Reply #61 posted 02/17/12 11:53am

Timmy84

2elijah said:

Timmy84 said:

I've been sick of them buffoons.

Anyways, I saw Viola in her Oprah interview, she looks so beautiful and dignified. nod

lol I saw that interview. I admire her. I had no idea her life growing up was very poor, and she didn't let that stop her dreams/goals. When you look at where she came from (economically) and where she is now, she's definitely a great role model for those who think that coming from poor beginnings, that they can't make it in this world. I love her attitude and strength.

Exactly. nod

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Reply #62 posted 02/17/12 12:00pm

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2elijah said:

Timmy84 said:

I've been sick of them buffoons.

Anyways, I saw Viola in her Oprah interview, she looks so beautiful and dignified. nod

lol I saw that interview. I admire her. I had no idea her life growing up was very poor, and she didn't let that stop her dreams/goals. When you look at where she came from (economically) and where she is now, she's definitely a great role model for those who think that coming from poor beginnings, that they can't make it in this world. I love her attitude and strength.

nod Not to mention that she looks absolutely gorgeous with her natural hair!!! love I wish she would rock this look all the time instead of those wigs.

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Reply #63 posted 02/17/12 12:04pm

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Well one thing is guaranteed. If she wins (and I believe she will) it'll be deja vu. Folks will be up in arms just like they were when Berry got the trophy.

Watch. It's gonna be this back and forth.

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Reply #64 posted 02/17/12 12:14pm

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Well one thing is guaranteed. If she wins (and I believe she will) it'll be deja vu. Folks will be up in arms just like they were when Berry got the trophy.

Watch. It's gonna be this back and forth.

You are right, it will.

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Reply #65 posted 02/17/12 12:16pm

Timmy84

musicjunky318 said:

Well one thing is guaranteed. If she wins (and I believe she will) it'll be deja vu. Folks will be up in arms just like they were when Berry got the trophy.

Watch. It's gonna be this back and forth.

Hey it is what it is. I don't have no problem anymore with how Halle got it. I'm over it.

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Reply #66 posted 02/17/12 1:14pm

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Yea, I'm also sick of them folk who go to jail, protest, give to charity and march against the wars, racism and the like. They should just stay at home and be quiet about it like Viola Davis. Yea, just make money. Forget the legacy of Martin.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #67 posted 02/17/12 1:28pm

Timmy84

I prefer Malcolm over Martin actually so whatever... lol

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Reply #68 posted 02/17/12 1:39pm

2elijah

missfee said:

2elijah said:

lol I saw that interview. I admire her. I had no idea her life growing up was very poor, and she didn't let that stop her dreams/goals. When you look at where she came from (economically) and where she is now, she's definitely a great role model for those who think that coming from poor beginnings, that they can't make it in this world. I love her attitude and strength.

nod Not to mention that she looks absolutely gorgeous with her natural hair!!! love I wish she would rock this look all the time instead of those wigs.

Yes she does. I have to tell you though. I used to think the wigs were her hair. I was surprised when I saw her on Oprah interview wearing natural hair. I guess she'll still wear wigs for movies or when she goes to events, if she chooses to, but doesn't have to. I also thinks she looks much younger with her natural hair. She was so humble in that interview.

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Reply #69 posted 02/17/12 2:02pm

2elijah

2freaky4church1 said:

Yea, I'm also sick of them folk who go to jail, protest, give to charity and march against the wars, racism and the like. They should just stay at home and be quiet about it like Viola Davis. Yea, just make money. Forget the legacy of Martin.

So she should limit her dreams of being an actress so that she could have someone else tell her 'how to be?' What not to do? When she can or cannot speak or what role in a movie she is not 'allowed' to play, based on other people being in fear it may portray an entire group of people to be viewed that way by others? isn't that the same as putting 'limits aka chains' on a person's capabilities? Freedom?

This is 2012, not 1962. The movie is based on a real, life event during a specific time period.

Should a person from another racial group have played the role instead? Would that have satisfied you? How do you expect these types of real, life events that happened to be told, if you don't use actors/actresses whose ethnicity reflects the same of those who experienced those life situations? If Alex Haley used White actors to play 'Kunte Kinte' and slaves, how is that being true to telling the story of the racial/ethnic group the masses of enslaved were from and the pain/struggles they experienced?

That role she played was specifically to show what many African-American women, during that time period, had to deal with in that type of employment, during an era where opportunities for them were 'limited', while better ones were not being offered or available to many of them. Look at it this way, in present day African-Americans have choices and are not forced to work in those type positions, unless they choose to or their economic situation puts them in a position where they have to take a type of employment to survive, not just them, but anyone in that type of situation, and when they do it does not mean all Blacks are in that type of employment. One who would think that has a mind of ignorance.

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Reply #70 posted 02/17/12 2:05pm

Timmy84

Also people need to realize that even in 2012, not too many black actors get real healthy enough roles in the mainstream so whenever someone does get notice in a film and gets a nomination, it's still treated as a very big deal. People wanna act like we were some pussies until a reverend said something. Please, we were ALWAYS on the move even during slavery times. We're a strong people. Always have been, always will be. cool People acting like "The Help" was based in 2002 not 1962 (which it was). lol

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Reply #71 posted 02/17/12 2:08pm

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2elijah said:

missfee said:

nod Not to mention that she looks absolutely gorgeous with her natural hair!!! love I wish she would rock this look all the time instead of those wigs.

Yes she does. I have to tell you though. I used to think the wigs were her hair. I was surprised when I saw her on Oprah interview wearing natural hair. I guess she'll still wear wigs for movies or when she goes to events, if she chooses to, but doesn't have to. I also thinks she looks much younger with her natural hair. She was so humble in that interview.

nod

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Reply #72 posted 02/17/12 2:14pm

Timmy84

^^ She sure does. But she looks beautiful either way to me. When she puts on her wig and style it right, she looks gorgeous, when she has her natural, she's gorgeous. nod

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Reply #73 posted 02/17/12 2:44pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Yea, I'm also sick of them folk who go to jail, protest, give to charity and march against the wars, racism and the like. They should just stay at home and be quiet about it like Viola Davis. Yea, just make money. Forget the legacy of Martin.

[img:$uid]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/SexyBeautifulOne/e5019167.gif[/img:$uid] Despite what Smiley and West have convinced themselves and others. They are NOT the key holders of the legacy of Martin.

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Reply #74 posted 02/17/12 2:51pm

2elijah

Timmy84 said:

^^ She sure does. But she looks beautiful either way to me. When she puts on her wig and style it right, she looks gorgeous, when she has her natural, she's gorgeous. nod


Agree!
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Reply #75 posted 02/17/12 3:03pm

Timmy84

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Yea, I'm also sick of them folk who go to jail, protest, give to charity and march against the wars, racism and the like. They should just stay at home and be quiet about it like Viola Davis. Yea, just make money. Forget the legacy of Martin.

[img:$uid]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/SexyBeautifulOne/e5019167.gif[/img:$uid] Despite what Smiley and West have convinced themselves and others. They are NOT the key holders of the legacy of Martin.

I love how every black celebrity gotta always be reminded of "Dr." King. Fuck outta here. lol

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Reply #76 posted 02/17/12 5:35pm

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To each its own, I didn't see the movie and have no plans to. "Destroy the Black community..." that's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard, she need not repeat that comment again.

My grandmother and her daughters with the exception of one did "daywork"; I have stories from these women that would make your hair curl on its own. I don't need Hollywood rose colored tinted version of our story to explain our history. As quitely as its kept, if we didn't lie (mainly through silence) so much in our community about our experiences/history, we could discern fact from Hollywood fiction. The motto use to be in the Black community, each generation is suppose to better then previous. "Daywork" for my mother and her sisters was a temporary necessity in order to work towards higher ambitions. As a daughter I've done better and my daugher has done better than me. It would be a sorry sight and a step backwards if my kid told me she was going to work cleaning the homes and tending the children of white people. Period.

I be damn, 74 years after Hollywood Mammy we are still stuck playing the fuckin' maid? We have not move forward hell, I can't say we've gone backwards.... we are still the "help." Mr. Tavis may have feeling of ambivalence but I don't.

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i definitely felt the way you felt. i had no desire whatsoever to see this film. 'white heroes and the passive blacks folks who kiss their feet' - that's what it smacked of to me. and yes, the whole 'mammy the maid' thing. not interested.

i happened to be in the library a couple of weeks ago, and they had the book, and based on the positive feedback from the film - including from my mother who hates most 'black' films - i decided to check it out.

while i thought the book was predictable, i do understand viola davis' p.o.v. the characters' lives were representative of that era, which really wasn't that long ago. it absolutely blows my mind whenever i think that mlk's 'dream' speech was given the same year my father graduated from high school.

so, i understand what viola is trying to say. this period of time is not pretty, it's not comfortable seeing black women being portrayed as maids - again. but that's what black women were for the most part, particularly in the south at that time. we can't deny that. the book addresses the rigid social constructs, and the consequences for blacks and whites for speaking out. to think you could lose your life over sitting at a woolworth's lunch counter seems absolutely ridiculous to us now, but it was real. and to her credit, the writer does also give each of the three main characters her own story. viola davis and octavia spencer are a long way from hattie mcdaniel, i think.

still haven't seen the movie, though.

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Reply #77 posted 02/17/12 7:53pm

2elijah

Well, Viola and Octavia won an NAACP award for their roles in the movie, and the movie won an award in the Best Picture category.

I know a lot of people don't particularly liked the roles those 2 actresses played, but they performed roles reflective of a time period where many women who worked in that type of employment, didn't have a voice to speak out publically, regarding the disrespect and abuse they endured in that type of work;mainly in fear of the consequences they would face, based on the racist attitudes of that era. The role(s) they played were not a fake reality, it was real.

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Reply #78 posted 02/17/12 8:33pm

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Do you know what I don't get?


It is not a crime to be a maid!



It is a job and a necessary one. Think of what your hotel stay would be like if there were no maids? For every mansion there is a maid. It is not a law breaking activity to be a maid. It is not a sign of character weakness.



Many people open up there own cleaning services and make a boat load of money from people who are not so good at cleaning up after themselves.



All this bitching about Viola playing a maid is an insult to maids.


If Tavis has a maid I hope she quits. Does he think she is ignorant?



Being a "Godfather" is a crime. Nearly every Italian actor has played a crime family member at one time or other. There is some belly aching about that but not a lot.



Why should the lives of only rich or middle class people be told in movies or books? Are the stories of the lower classes lives not worthy?


What ever happen to "we are all equal in the eyes of God"?


Obviously not if many seem ashamed of their working class ancestors.







Thank you! I'm sitting here reading this and thinking, Uhh...excuse me...but my grandmother took in washing, and worked as a cook and a maid, and pretty much every kind of domestic help - and she was a white woman living in the north. There is nothing inherently demeaning about being hired help.

And gee golly gosh - wouldn't it be just grand if every role an actress plays could mesh with her personal view of the world? Well, let me tell you - it doesn't work that way. If you want to work, you have to work. A lot of times, that means taking parts that aren't all you'd like - or that run counter to what you personally believe in.

Some folks just need to get over themselves.
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Reply #79 posted 02/17/12 10:53pm

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kibbles said:

TD3 said:

To each its own, I didn't see the movie and have no plans to. "Destroy the Black community..." that's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard, she need not repeat that comment again.

My grandmother and her daughters with the exception of one did "daywork"; I have stories from these women that would make your hair curl on its own. I don't need Hollywood rose colored tinted version of our story to explain our history. As quitely as its kept, if we didn't lie (mainly through silence) so much in our community about our experiences/history, we could discern fact from Hollywood fiction. The motto use to be in the Black community, each generation is suppose to better then previous. "Daywork" for my mother and her sisters was a temporary necessity in order to work towards higher ambitions. As a daughter I've done better and my daugher has done better than me. It would be a sorry sight and a step backwards if my kid told me she was going to work cleaning the homes and tending the children of white people. Period.

I be damn, 74 years after Hollywood Mammy we are still stuck playing the fuckin' maid? We have not move forward hell, I can't say we've gone backwards.... we are still the "help." Mr. Tavis may have feeling of ambivalence but I don't.

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i definitely felt the way you felt. i had no desire whatsoever to see this film. 'white heroes and the passive blacks folks who kiss their feet' - that's what it smacked of to me. and yes, the whole 'mammy the maid' thing. not interested.

i happened to be in the library a couple of weeks ago, and they had the book, and based on the positive feedback from the film - including from my mother who hates most 'black' films - i decided to check it out.

while i thought the book was predictable, i do understand viola davis' p.o.v. the characters' lives were representative of that era, which really wasn't that long ago. it absolutely blows my mind whenever i think that mlk's 'dream' speech was given the same year my father graduated from high school.

so, i understand what viola is trying to say. this period of time is not pretty, it's not comfortable seeing black women being portrayed as maids - again. but that's what black women were for the most part, particularly in the south at that time. we can't deny that. the book addresses the rigid social constructs, and the consequences for blacks and whites for speaking out. to think you could lose your life over sitting at a woolworth's lunch counter seems absolutely ridiculous to us now, but it was real. and to her credit, the writer does also give each of the three main characters her own story. viola davis and octavia spencer are a long way from hattie mcdaniel, i think.

still haven't seen the movie, though.

Wow, we've come a long way, now the maids are more three-dimensional.

I read the book, my mother read the book. Predictable? Very. That's why I made the comment.... rose colored glasses. I wouldn't trust the movie industry to tell me anything about us or anyone else for that matter nor through the author eyes.

I don't have a problem with the truth or the profession. What I do take issue with is 75 years after Mammy Black actresses are still relegated to few movies and when those oppurtunities do come up I be damn if "we" aren't the help. For those take solace that the subject or the characters are more "well rounded" more power to you. Lets see how the careers of Ms. Davis and Ms. Spencer play out. How many roles will they be offered based on their work in this film? How many scripts will they have to choose from? Look at the cast of Color Purple - with the exception of Ms. Goldberg, Mr. Glover Larry Fishbourne- most of those actresses and actors are no where to be seen. Has Monique been able to use that Oscar winning performance as a jump off... to other films? Ms. Goldberg (as with most black actors) playing roles were they are still "the help" ... assisting white people figure out their problems.

Let me also say this... from reading some of the post. To those who equate a mindset or a belief that these are Civil Rights Movement people stuck in their ways does a discredit to a movement that still continues. Majority of these people who fight for our civil rights don't have radio or talk shows. wink Ill informed... scary.

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Reply #80 posted 02/18/12 7:09am

2elijah

Timmy84 said:

Also people need to realize that even in 2012, not too many black actors get real healthy enough roles in the mainstream so whenever someone does get notice in a film and gets a nomination, it's still treated as a very big deal. People wanna act like we were some pussies until a reverend said something. Please, we were ALWAYS on the move even during slavery times. We're a strong people. Always have been, always will be. cool People acting like "The Help" was based in 2002 not 1962 (which it was). lol

lol I agree with the bolded part of your post Timmy, and that's the point I was making about the actresses who played those roles in the movie. It focused on that time period of racial segregation/jim crow laws, reflecting the real lives of women, in a particular type of employment, which just happened to be about women in domestic employment, and how they endured racial disrespect and mistreatment, living in an era where the system did not protect their human rights, because of who they were, and they didn't have a voice to stand up against the types of abuses they faced, because of that.

It's not like the movie was based in 2012, where African-American women today are not forced to accept that type of employment or limit themselves to those type positions. This is 2012, not 1962, and by the way there is nothing wrong with that line of work. I work around men and women from various, racial backgrounds, and age groups, who are employed in those type of positions, and it takes nothing away from their dignity. Besides, today, they could take action against their employers if such abuses, that were committed prior to 1964 was to take place today.

So I still don't understand why Viola and Octavia are getting such a negative reaction for portraying real, life experiences of the past. I'm sure many of us have had grandmothers/great-grandmothers who lived during that time period and prior to that, where they faced the same, type of racial disrespect as domestic workers. My grandmother/great-Aunts as well. They had to do what they had to do to survive, regardless of the racial disrespect they endured from others. It didn't break their spirit, it actually made them stronger.

For me though, the movie represented more than about those women being domestic workers, because it went beyond that. It represented how many in their situations, survived in a racist environment/system that did not have their human interests or rights at heart because of who they were. So often times, many of their employers, as well as, many outside their communities, took advantage of them through mistreatment/racial disrespect and other abuses. When you live in a system that ignores mistreatment against particular groups, it allows those who commit those types of abuses to use the system, to justify their actions.

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Reply #81 posted 02/18/12 9:32am

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TD3 said:

kibbles said:

i definitely felt the way you felt. i had no desire whatsoever to see this film. 'white heroes and the passive blacks folks who kiss their feet' - that's what it smacked of to me. and yes, the whole 'mammy the maid' thing. not interested.

i happened to be in the library a couple of weeks ago, and they had the book, and based on the positive feedback from the film - including from my mother who hates most 'black' films - i decided to check it out.

while i thought the book was predictable, i do understand viola davis' p.o.v. the characters' lives were representative of that era, which really wasn't that long ago. it absolutely blows my mind whenever i think that mlk's 'dream' speech was given the same year my father graduated from high school.

so, i understand what viola is trying to say. this period of time is not pretty, it's not comfortable seeing black women being portrayed as maids - again. but that's what black women were for the most part, particularly in the south at that time. we can't deny that. the book addresses the rigid social constructs, and the consequences for blacks and whites for speaking out. to think you could lose your life over sitting at a woolworth's lunch counter seems absolutely ridiculous to us now, but it was real. and to her credit, the writer does also give each of the three main characters her own story. viola davis and octavia spencer are a long way from hattie mcdaniel, i think.

still haven't seen the movie, though.

Wow, we've come a long way, now the maids are more three-dimensional.

I read the book, my mother read the book. Predictable? Very. That's why I made the comment.... rose colored glasses. I wouldn't trust the movie industry to tell me anything about us or anyone else for that matter nor through the author eyes.

I don't have a problem with the truth or the profession. What I do take issue with is 75 years after Mammy Black actresses are still relegated to few movies and when those oppurtunities do come up I be damn if "we" aren't the help. For those take solace that the subject or the characters are more "well rounded" more power to you. Lets see how the careers of Ms. Davis and Ms. Spencer play out. How many roles will they be offered based on their work in this film? How many scripts will they have to choose from? Look at the cast of Color Purple - with the exception of Ms. Goldberg, Mr. Glover Larry Fishbourne- most of those actresses and actors are no where to be seen. Has Monique been able to use that Oscar winning performance as a jump off... to other films? Ms. Goldberg (as with most black actors) playing roles were they are still "the help" ... assisting white people figure out their problems.

Let me also say this... from reading some of the post. To those who equate a mindset or a belief that these are Civil Rights Movement people stuck in their ways does a discredit to a movement that still continues. Majority of these people who fight for our civil rights don't have radio or talk shows. wink Ill informed... scary.

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According to their IMDb profiles...

Viola Davis

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0205626/

has just completed production on one new film and is in pre-production of two more.

Octavia Spencer

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0818055/

has just completed a film short, has two movies in post-production and two more in pre-production.

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Reply #82 posted 02/18/12 10:02am

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he's a diva

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Reply #83 posted 02/18/12 4:05pm

kibbles

TD3 said:

kibbles said:

i definitely felt the way you felt. i had no desire whatsoever to see this film. 'white heroes and the passive blacks folks who kiss their feet' - that's what it smacked of to me. and yes, the whole 'mammy the maid' thing. not interested.

i happened to be in the library a couple of weeks ago, and they had the book, and based on the positive feedback from the film - including from my mother who hates most 'black' films - i decided to check it out.

while i thought the book was predictable, i do understand viola davis' p.o.v. the characters' lives were representative of that era, which really wasn't that long ago. it absolutely blows my mind whenever i think that mlk's 'dream' speech was given the same year my father graduated from high school.

so, i understand what viola is trying to say. this period of time is not pretty, it's not comfortable seeing black women being portrayed as maids - again. but that's what black women were for the most part, particularly in the south at that time. we can't deny that. the book addresses the rigid social constructs, and the consequences for blacks and whites for speaking out. to think you could lose your life over sitting at a woolworth's lunch counter seems absolutely ridiculous to us now, but it was real. and to her credit, the writer does also give each of the three main characters her own story. viola davis and octavia spencer are a long way from hattie mcdaniel, i think.

still haven't seen the movie, though.

Wow, we've come a long way, now the maids are more three-dimensional.

I read the book, my mother read the book. Predictable? Very. That's why I made the comment.... rose colored glasses. I wouldn't trust the movie industry to tell me anything about us or anyone else for that matter nor through the author eyes.

I don't have a problem with the truth or the profession. What I do take issue with is 75 years after Mammy Black actresses are still relegated to few movies and when those oppurtunities do come up I be damn if "we" aren't the help. For those take solace that the subject or the characters are more "well rounded" more power to you. Lets see how the careers of Ms. Davis and Ms. Spencer play out. How many roles will they be offered based on their work in this film? How many scripts will they have to choose from? Look at the cast of Color Purple - with the exception of Ms. Goldberg, Mr. Glover Larry Fishbourne- most of those actresses and actors are no where to be seen. Has Monique been able to use that Oscar winning performance as a jump off... to other films? Ms. Goldberg (as with most black actors) playing roles were they are still "the help" ... assisting white people figure out their problems.

Let me also say this... from reading some of the post. To those who equate a mindset or a belief that these are Civil Rights Movement people stuck in their ways does a discredit to a movement that still continues. Majority of these people who fight for our civil rights don't have radio or talk shows. wink Ill informed... scary.

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yes, i hear your sarcasm in the first sentence.

as i admitted, i was not interested in the film b/c of what you state in the second sentence i highlighted. after reading the book, and going back to the first sentence and third sentences i highlighted, yes, i found the characters to be more 'well rounded' b/c truth be told, i wasn't even expecting *that much* when i picked up the book. maybe it's b/c i went in with lowered expectations, i found it more tolerable than i might have otherwise. having said that, i still think that the story was fairly accurate as to the social realities at that time.

as to the last three sentences i highlighted, i agree with your skepticism and only time will tell.

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Reply #84 posted 02/19/12 11:45pm

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Timmy84 said:I prefer Malcolm over Martin actually so whatever... lol

Same here.

Painful as it may be, this is part of our history. Reminds me of what some of my older female relatives went through. The stories they told me were not pretty.

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Reply #85 posted 02/20/12 10:22am

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Genesia said:

Deadflow3r said:

Do you know what I don't get?

It is not a crime to be a maid!

It is a job and a necessary one. Think of what your hotel stay would be like if there were no maids? For every mansion there is a maid. It is not a law breaking activity to be a maid. It is not a sign of character weakness.

Many people open up there own cleaning services and make a boat load of money from people who are not so good at cleaning up after themselves.

All this bitching about Viola playing a maid is an insult to maids.

If Tavis has a maid I hope she quits. Does he think she is ignorant?

Being a "Godfather" is a crime. Nearly every Italian actor has played a crime family member at one time or other. There is some belly aching about that but not a lot.

Why should the lives of only rich or middle class people be told in movies or books? Are the stories of the lower classes lives not worthy?

What ever happen to "we are all equal in the eyes of God"?

Obviously not if many seem ashamed of their working class ancestors.

Thank you! I'm sitting here reading this and thinking, Uhh...excuse me...but my grandmother took in washing, and worked as a cook and a maid, and pretty much every kind of domestic help - and she was a white woman living in the north. There is nothing inherently demeaning about being hired help. And gee golly gosh - wouldn't it be just grand if every role an actress plays could mesh with her personal view of the world? Well, let me tell you - it doesn't work that way. If you want to work, you have to work. A lot of times, that means taking parts that aren't all you'd like - or that run counter to what you personally believe in. Some folks just need to get over themselves.

And Thank You!

We both know if Meryl Streep played the role of a "stereotypical Scotts-Irish or Irish imigrant working for a bunch of Dutch or English at the turn of the century and was nominated for an award she would have to explain nothing. NOTHING.

No one would call her to task.

No one would demand that she march or give speaches in support of the Appalachian people of today.

Nope.

We would all blow her kisses.

She would take her Oscar and tell everyone thank you and party on!

Unfortunately Viola will not have this experience.

Sorry Viola Davis but your Oscar win would be seen as a patronizing move on the part of the Academy; patronizing and belittling to all African Americans.

The Academy is now stuck between a rock and a hard place.

You owe everyone an explaination.

You better explain yourself Viola; what the hell where you thinking???

No kisses for you, no instead you get shot down; not with bullets but with words.

So stay home, don't work unless you see a part in which your character makes lots of money, marries a man with lots of money, neither of you have any problems with substance abuse or much of anything else and your character has no character flaws.

Rest assured that the Academy will not be recognizing works like Precious and The Help any longer. Thank Tavis Smiley and others like him for this.

There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #86 posted 02/20/12 12:47pm

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Viola Davis looked so beautiful when I her @ the NAACP Awards last friday. Looks like she got her boobies done to giggle I got a chance to compliment Octavia on a job well done in The Help.

Hopefully she didn't hurt her self when she fell off the stage....

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #87 posted 02/20/12 12:53pm

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Deadflow3r said:

Genesia said:

Deadflow3r said: Thank you! I'm sitting here reading this and thinking, Uhh...excuse me...but my grandmother took in washing, and worked as a cook and a maid, and pretty much every kind of domestic help - and she was a white woman living in the north. There is nothing inherently demeaning about being hired help. And gee golly gosh - wouldn't it be just grand if every role an actress plays could mesh with her personal view of the world? Well, let me tell you - it doesn't work that way. If you want to work, you have to work. A lot of times, that means taking parts that aren't all you'd like - or that run counter to what you personally believe in. Some folks just need to get over themselves.

And Thank You!

We both know if Meryl Streep played the role of a "stereotypical Scotts-Irish or Irish imigrant working for a bunch of Dutch or English at the turn of the century and was nominated for an award she would have to explain nothing. NOTHING.

No one would call her to task.

No one would demand that she march or give speaches in support of the Appalachian people of today.

Nope.

We would all blow her kisses.

She would take her Oscar and tell everyone thank you and party on!

Unfortunately Viola will not have this experience.

Sorry Viola Davis but your Oscar win would be seen as a patronizing move on the part of the Academy; patronizing and belittling to all African Americans.

The Academy is now stuck between a rock and a hard place.

You owe everyone an explaination.

You better explain yourself Viola; what the hell where you thinking???

No kisses for you, no instead you get shot down; not with bullets but with words.

So stay home, don't work unless you see a part in which your character makes lots of money, marries a man with lots of money, neither of you have any problems with substance abuse or much of anything else and your character has no character flaws.

Rest assured that the Academy will not be recognizing works like Precious and The Help any longer. Thank Tavis Smiley and others like him for this.

In which case, she will still be criticized for not being "down" - because she failed to choose a role representative of the "greater black experience in America."

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #88 posted 02/22/12 1:05pm

2elijah

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Viola Davis looked so beautiful when I her @ the NAACP Awards last friday. Looks like she got her boobies done to giggle I got a chance to compliment Octavia on a job well done in The Help.

Hopefully she didn't hurt her self when she fell off the stage....

I hope both Viola and Octavia win an Oscar, and even if they don't wherever their careers go from this point on, I still wish them the best. They demonstrated, in the acting of those roles, the emotions/pain many women of that time period experienced through the abuses/disrespect they endured from their employers, moreso because of who they were, in an era where many feared the consequences they would face had they spoken out about it. I had never heard of Octavia prior to that or seen her act in any movie role, but she did well in that movie. I've seen Viola act before, so I always admired her acting skills.

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Reply #89 posted 02/22/12 1:26pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

2elijah said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Viola Davis looked so beautiful when I her @ the NAACP Awards last friday. Looks like she got her boobies done to giggle I got a chance to compliment Octavia on a job well done in The Help.

Hopefully she didn't hurt her self when she fell off the stage....

I hope both Viola and Octavia win an Oscar, and even if they don't wherever their careers go from this point on, I still wish them the best. They demonstrated, in the acting of those roles, the emotions/pain many women of that time period experienced through the abuses/disrespect they endured from their employers, moreso because of who they were, in an era where many feared the consequences they would face had they spoken out about it. I had never heard of Octavia prior to that or seen her act in any movie role, but she did well in that movie. I've seen Viola act before, so I always admired her acting skills.

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I didn't get to talk to Viola. Too many were on her. I think one of them is going to win an Oscar. Viola has worked very hard to get where she is at now & deserves it more to me. But Octavia performance was more stand out. I met Viola a few years ago at the SAG Awards when she was nominated for "Doubt".....Very classy humble women. I love my experiences!!! biggrin

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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