we've had this debate forever in this forum.

this data is released alongside data which reflects that child abuse is a bigger threat than SIDS, and it is spiking: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...ns_health/

discuss

http://vitals.msnbc.msn.c...on-in-kids

Spanking linked to more aggression in kids

By Linda Thrasybule
MyHealthNewsDaily

Spanking or slapping your child has long-term, harmful effects on their development, according to a new review of 20 years of research.

Over the past two decades, research has increasingly found links between such "everyday" types of physical punishment and higher levels of child aggression, according to the review. In fact, no studies have found this type of child discipline to predict a positive long-term effect.

"I think it's important for parents to understand that although physical punishment might get a child to do something in the immediate situation, there are many side effects that can develop over the long term," said co-author Joan Durrant, a child clinical psychologist at Family Social Sciences at the University of Manitoba in Canada.

"For example, the more often a child sees a parent respond to conflict or frustration with slapping or spanking, the more likely that child will do the same when confronting their own conflicts," Durrant said.

The review is published today (Feb. 6) in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

Some parents still use spanking for discipline
One recent poll found that 22 percent of parents reported being "very likely" to spank their children, but most said they disciplined their kids in other ways, by taking away privileges or putting them in "time out."

In one U.S. study, researchers looked at 2,400 mothers who spanked their 3-year-olds twice the previous month, and found that children had an increased risk for higher levels of aggression when they were 5 years old.

"In the U.S., physical punishment is such an entrenched part of the culture that virtually no one has experienced growing up without it," Durrant said. "This situation makes it difficult for parents to visualize raising a child without it."

Durrant also pointed out that a major factor could be that some parents have little knowledge or understanding of why children behave like they do.

"They are more likely to believe that their child is being defiant or intentionally bad, but in most cases, children are simply doing what is normal for their development," she said.

Start early with positive discipline
Based on years of research, however, more and more doctors are encouraging parents to discipline their children with positive, nonviolent approaches.

"Parents should start out really young — as early as 12 months old," said Kimberly Sirl, a clinical psychologist at St. Louis Children's Hospital, who was not involved with the research.

"Kids have to learn how to cope with frustration, how to share and how to be patient," Sirl said. "Parents teach them how to do that."

For example, Sirl said that toddlers say no to everything, so the best thing to do when they're acting out is either ignore them briefly (for roughly 10 seconds) or redirect their negative behavior.

"If you want to encourage good behavior, provide them with reward or praise," she said.

Instead of saying, "do this [be]cause I told you so," Sirl said, it's best to explain to kids why there are rules.

"We should let them know that grownups have to follow rules too," she said. "Essentially, time out for grownups is called jail."

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Not surprized ...

I am going to admit right now that I didn't read the entire article, cuz I already no where I stand on this issue.

I don't agree with hauling off and smacking a kid out of anger. Have I done it? Yes, I have. Was it a mistake, and did I apologize profusely? Yes.

Do I spank my kids? Yes. I don't need to do it often at all. I'd say maybe 2 or 3 times a year. It's done with a paddle. Not out of anger, not beating the shit out of them. They get a warning that 'if blah blah blah'....you are getting the paddle!' Then if they do it, they get a couple wackings.

It rarely goes that far. My kids have a rule chart and they go Mon-Sun. It has like 17 rules on it. No lying, no yelling, hands to yourself, brush your teeth. That sort of thing. If they don't do it they don't follow the rule they get an X. If they do they get a smiley face. They start off the week with a Dollar. For every X, I take 10 cents off of their allowance.

My point is that this small rewards system pretty much takes care of ALL the discipline in my house. Kids like rules, and they like to KNOW what is expected of them.

Do my kids get under my skin and act up? Yes. But they are WELL BEHAVED in public. And getting an X on thier chart puts them in their place.

But I condone spanking from time to time. Not for Every bloody thing though. And never out of anger.

People can do whatever. When folks come talkin' this sillyness. I always say this and it ENDS the conversation in the Black Community. It's amazing to me when spanking was the norm, we had NO trouble no major issues with our youth/ young adults. Now, you can't walk anywhere in the African American community and violence is at an all time high. So save me the bullshit and the studies.

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Nonsense.

Abuse? Yes........

Spanking? No.

It's abuse, not spanking. Seriously? Spanking? Really? So a parent beating a child up for no reason is not linked to it? What kind of scientists do we have in this country?

TD3 said:

People can do whatever. When folks come talkin' this sillness. I always say this and it ENDS the conversation in the Black Community. It amazing me when spanking was the norm, we had NO trouble no major issues with our youth/ young adults. Now, you can't walk anywhere in the African American community and violence is at an all time high. So save me the bullshit and the studies.

OKAY! I swear these "studies"...

i don't think that anyone would dissagree with that.

however, people think a child can't be agressive UNLESS

they've been taught to be. and that's FALSE

It is going to take a lot more than a study to ween people off their addiction to violence.

"IQ" questions are geared towards one culture... not all cultures. So black folks could not relate to some of the questions. I remember back in the day they would makes claims that blacks naturally had a lower intelligence because they answered questions incorrectly.

As soon as I see "IQ" tests on any study... I LMAO.

XxAxX said:

we've had this debate forever in this forum.

Yeah...because we really needed THIS again.

i don't spank my son, i don't need to, there are other ways for us to solve problems or issues than hitting.

paintedlady said:

"IQ" questions are geared towards one culture... not all cultures. So black folks could not relate to some of the questions. I remember back in the day they would makes claims that blacks naturally had a lower intelligence because they answered questions incorrectly.

As soon as I see "IQ" tests on any study... I LMAO.

This is another Bullshit Study. You know back in the day when you're father, Mom, grandma, said, "go in the back and get me a switch," you knew you fucked up!!!

I had my share of "whoppins' not spankings, but down south "whippings," some of them, I didn't deserve, but some, yeah, I fucked up.

I never once thought that messed me up, what messed me up more, (and still coping with) is the fact that my parents didn't know what the hell they were doing, and I had to pretty much figure out how hard life was on my own. They never went to college, was never a success, but did the best they could with what they had.

If you mess up, yeah, pay the consequence, because kids will test you!!! Just to see how much they can get away with. Nip that shit in the bud early, then as they get older, they will think twice about making mistakes.and trying to take advantage of you. Small kids are VERY smart and perceptive, they know what the hell they are doing, even though they may not know how to communicate it.

Next bullshit study, "Spoiling your kids can cause them to become a Kardashian." That's a horrible thing to say.

I blame lack of religious beliefs in this country. I feared my Parents, but I also had the fear of Jesus.

You mess up, not only are you going to get a beating, but you're also going to hell!!

I don't think a spanking on the butt is going to damage a kid physically or psychologically, as long as it is not done in anger. But when I see parents turn around in their cars and slap the shit out of the kids, I just think "bad parents"

But most kids i know who were not spanked were also well behaved, so I don't think spanking is necessary in any way.

Attention is more important than discipline IMO and some parents make up for the attention they don't give a kid by slapping them.

Screw this. I turned out fine.

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For every person that turned out fine, many MANY more are given life long issues and perpetuating the cycles of abuse. Just because one person wasn't abused or perceives they weren't abused doesn't mean countless children aren't abused. They are and that is why it needs to stop.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

For every person that turned out fine, many MANY more are given life long issues and perpetuating the cycles of abuse. Just because one person wasn't abused or perceives they weren't abused doesn't mean countless children aren't abused. They are and that is why it needs to stop.

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I wasn't abused. I don't consider spanking abuse.

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How about this, where I work, so many people have been laid off, that I'm doing the job of 6 people.

I'm working 50-60 hrs just to keep up with demand, with no extra benefits or compensation.

When I express my concern, all I get is, "your lucky to have a job."

That is legal abuse!

I would take the spanking, at least its over in a few minutes.

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Children learn agression by seeing it/modeling. Look up the bobo doll experiments.

If my father didn't whip that ass i would have been a full time monster(for real). I grew up in a fucked up neighborhood with nothing but gangstas as role models. My father stayed on me and kept me away. I honestly think it saved my life.

My parents never laid a hand on me and I turned out rather well, if I do say so myself.

ALL of ya'll need your asses beat.

ScarletScandal said:

ALL of ya'll need your asses beat.

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NDRU said:

I don't think a spanking on the butt is going to damage a kid physically or psychologically, as long as it is not done in anger. But when I see parents turn around in their cars and slap the shit out of the kids, I just think "bad parents"

I'm sorry but this just made me "in a Homer and Bart Simpson kind of way"

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

My parents never laid a hand on me and I turned out rather well, if I do say so myself.

My mom used to whip me good with her belt but stopped once she saw how easily I bruised. She felt real bad. But I still was acting up. I stopped acting up so much when I got in trouble at 7 and she sent me to my room and told me to NEVER come out because I was crying about...nothing. After that, I didn't do that no more.

SoLiDiFy said:

If my father didn't whip that ass i would have been a full time monster(for real). I grew up in a fucked up neighborhood with nothing but gangstas as role models. My father stayed on me and kept me away. I honestly think it saved my life.

and this commin from THE TOOTH CHIPPAH!!!

Timmy84 said:

ScarletScandal said:

ALL of ya'll need your asses beat.

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LINE THEM UP TIMMY!!