But Steven's ex and Josh's mom are the same person, right?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I pray for the social worker too.

I know, so do I. There's been debate as to whether or not the supervised visits should have happened at Josh's home at all, but in the end, Josh is the one who committed these acts of murder.

The social worker stopped the car. The kids ran into the house, ahead of the social worker, to their dad. He locked the door preventing the social worker from getting in. She smelled gas and saw flames and that was it. She called 911, but couldn't reach them. I just pray for her. She must be heart broken.

scriptgirl said:

But Steven's ex and Josh's mom are the same person, right?

I think so, yes.

My mouth literally dropped when I heard this. I never expected the situation to come to this. This is just incredible that someone could be so evil. I hope he rots in Hell

scriptgirl said:

The guy was a murder suspect-so why were his kids allowed around him anyway?

Innocent until proven guilty perhaps?

They are his children . . . .

paintedlady said:

lazycrockett said:

The 7 year old had started telling the grand parents that "mommy was in the mine." So he knew the jig was up.

I believe he needed to silence his older son who began speaking and recalling the event.

So he found a way to silence both children permanently... new laws will be made after this tragedy (I hope) were children are better protected so crap like this NEVER happens again.

I am angry.

What law would've prevented this?

That if you are accused of crime you lose your parental rights and the right to see and raise your children?

All it takes is an accusation?

You'd think we'd had enough of that too.

[snip all the crap i can say about the sicky and his prodgeny]

[Edited 2/6/12 20:20pm]

Sounds like it may have been a supervised access visit. So sad

Woah how is carbon monoxide the cause of death, if he took an axe to them? N didnt the house explode?

Too bad it couldn't be at an access centre, it's risky for the worker too going out like that.

Nothinbutjoy said:

They're reporting tonight that Josh Powell took an ax to his kids before setting the house on fire. The primary cause of death for all three was carbon monoxide. It was a supervised visit. The laws that are being discussed as needing to be changed are regarding supervised visits. Josh Powell was quickly found to be the primary person of interest in the disappearance of his wife, but he was never charged. He only lost custody of his kids when his father was arrested for voyeurism & child pornography while Josh & the boys lived in the same house. Josh's cousin in TX received an email from Josh just prior to his death that implied that cyber bullying may have pushed Josh over the edge.

Carbon monoxide? From an explosion?

What about debris from the explosion enbedded in the bodies?

Frantic 911 calls of social worker at Powell murder-suicide

Police in Washington state released a 911 call placed by the social worker who dropped Josh Powell's two young sons off before he murdered them and took his own life in a house fire. NBC's Miguel Almaguer reports. By Lindsay Chamberlain, KING5 news, msnbc.com staff and news services PUYALLUP, Wash. -- Emergency calls placed in the minutes after Josh Powell killed his two young sons and then set his home on fire were released Tuesday, including one from the "traumatized" social worker who was outside the house and saw the flames. The social worker had brought Charlie, 5, and Braden, 7, to the house for their court-ordered supervised visit on Sunday. She frantically called for help as soon as she said Powell took the children and shut her out of the house. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Nothing like this has ever happened before, I'm really shocked, I can hear one of the kids crying," the woman said. "This is the craziest thing, he looked right at me and closed the door." advertisement Concerned that the children might be in a life-threatening situation, the woman also told dispatchers she smelled gas coming from the house. After the house exploded in flames, she called again. "He blew up the house and the kids!" she cried. "He slammed the door in my face!"

Excerpts from the call were obtained and broadcast Tuesday night by Washington NBC affiliate, KING5. It also spoke to the husband of the unnamed social worker, who said she was "not doing very well" despite being offered counseling. He told the station she was "devastated and traumatized" by the episode and had worked with the boys for a long time, forming a bond with them. The husband, who was also not named, told KING-5 she made a distraught call to him after the fire, repeatedly saying about the boys: "They trusted me, they trusted me."

The double murder-suicide took place days after Powell, whose wife Susan went missing in 2009, was ordered to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation as part of a bid to regain custody of his children from his in-laws. Report: Powell left apologetic voicemail minutes before death Authorities in Washington and Utah, from where the family moved, are now effectively treating the disappearance of Susan Powell as murder, even though her body has yet to be found. MSNBC's Thomas Roberts talks to Chuck and Judy Cox, parents of Susan Powell, about their grandsons' deaths and their daughter's disappearance. Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill acknowledged for the first time that investigators believe Powell is likely dead, but he said in an interview with the AP that the case remains a missing persons probe for now. "

I think when I talk about it as a missing persons case, that's because we haven't located the body of Susan Powell," Gill said. "Do we think that she may have met harm? Sure. I think that's been an ongoing assumption with law enforcement." Investigators said Josh Powell withdrew $7,000 in cash from a bank the day before he killed himself and his two young sons in the house fire. Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said detectives obtained Powell's bank records Monday, and on Tuesday they searched a storage unit he rented. It isn't clear what happened to the money. advertisementJosh Powell claimed that on the night Susan Powell vanished, he took Charlie and Braden from their then home in West Valley City, Utah, on a late-night camping trip. Authorities eventually searched the central Utah desert but found nothing. Susan Powell's father said that when police went to the family home after she was reported missing, they found a wet spot in the house being dried by two fans. Police have not commented further on what they found. Last September, authorities got a warrant to search the home of Josh Powell's father, Steve. Josh Powell and his sons were living there at the time. The documents obtained by the AP did not specify a suspect. In addition to the charges, the warrant listed Steve Powell's work laptop computer as well as cars that he used. Authorities found explicit images on his computers during the search, and he was jailed on voyeurism and child porn charges. The boys were later sent to live with Susan Powell's parents.

[Edited 2/8/12 7:14am]

SUPRMAN said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

They're reporting tonight that Josh Powell took an ax to his kids before setting the house on fire. The primary cause of death for all three was carbon monoxide. It was a supervised visit. The laws that are being discussed as needing to be changed are regarding supervised visits. Josh Powell was quickly found to be the primary person of interest in the disappearance of his wife, but he was never charged. He only lost custody of his kids when his father was arrested for voyeurism & child pornography while Josh & the boys lived in the same house. Josh's cousin in TX received an email from Josh just prior to his death that implied that cyber bullying may have pushed Josh over the edge.

Carbon monoxide? From an explosion?

What about debris from the explosion enbedded in the bodies?

The reports in the NY Times and on the NYC news said they died of asphyxiation due to smoke inhalation. He used something like 10 gallons or containers of gasoline as an accelerant. The heat of the fire blew out the windows, but technically he did not plan an explosion or "blow-up" the house.

After 5 or 6 minutes on the phone, 911 dispatcher told the social worker that he didn't know when people would get there, they had to respond to "emergency life-threatening" situations first. She was like, "This could be life-threatening...I'm afraid for their lives!" Who knows if it could have made a difference if they had sent someone instead of arguing with her...

jone70 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Carbon monoxide? From an explosion?

What about debris from the explosion enbedded in the bodies?

The reports in the NY Times and on the NYC news said they died of asphyxiation due to smoke inhalation. He used something like 10 gallons or containers of gasoline as an accelerant. The heat of the fire blew out the windows, but technically he did not plan an explosion or "blow-up" the house.

After 5 or 6 minutes on the phone, 911 dispatcher told the social worker that he didn't know when people would get there, they had to respond to "emergency life-threatening" situations first. She was like, "This could be life-threatening...I'm afraid for their lives!" Who knows if it could have made a difference if they had sent someone instead of arguing with her...

It goes to show STILL how authority does not take domestic violence seriously.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

jone70 said:

The reports in the NY Times and on the NYC news said they died of asphyxiation due to smoke inhalation. He used something like 10 gallons or containers of gasoline as an accelerant. The heat of the fire blew out the windows, but technically he did not plan an explosion or "blow-up" the house.

After 5 or 6 minutes on the phone, 911 dispatcher told the social worker that he didn't know when people would get there, they had to respond to "emergency life-threatening" situations first. She was like, "This could be life-threatening...I'm afraid for their lives!" Who knows if it could have made a difference if they had sent someone instead of arguing with her...

It goes to show STILL how authority does not take domestic violence seriously.

She had no evidence of domestic violence.

She said she was afraid for their lives.

Sounds like the dispatcher probably thought she was being a drama queen.

i wonder who will be sued for whut happened.

that's the lovely part of it all, they didn't have to have

a legal reason to keep those kids away, but now,

in hindsight, the people who took the kids

there are responsible for their untimely demise.

in the public eye it would be unfortunate

to be the county/state sayin "no grounds"

for a suit...

KingBAD said:

i wonder who will be sued for whut happened.

that's the lovely part of it all, they didn't have to have

a legal reason to keep those kids away, but now,

in hindsight, the people who took the kids

there are responsible for their untimely demise.

in the public eye it would be unfortunate

to be the county/state sayin "no grounds"

for a suit...

There is no grounds for a suit.

They were there because of a court order.

The county was in compliance with said court order.

You can't sue the court.

"Meanwhile, law enforcement officers are reviewing the actions of the social worker, who was escorting the childen for court-mandated, supervised visits with Powell; they got into the house without her, however."

SUPRMAN said:

KingBAD said:

i wonder who will be sued for whut happened.

that's the lovely part of it all, they didn't have to have

a legal reason to keep those kids away, but now,

in hindsight, the people who took the kids

there are responsible for their untimely demise.

in the public eye it would be unfortunate

to be the county/state sayin "no grounds"

for a suit...

There is no grounds for a suit.

They were there because of a court order.

The county was in compliance with said court order.

You can't sue the court.

"Meanwhile, law enforcement officers are reviewing the actions of the social worker, who was escorting the childen for court-mandated, supervised visits with Powell; they got into the house without her, however."

and there you have it,

i never said 'sue the court'

but yyou do see that the worker

is either county or state.

and the responsibility did not

stop at the door...

CASE ON!!!

KingBAD said:

SUPRMAN said:

There is no grounds for a suit.

They were there because of a court order.

The county was in compliance with said court order.

You can't sue the court.

"Meanwhile, law enforcement officers are reviewing the actions of the social worker, who was escorting the childen for court-mandated, supervised visits with Powell; they got into the house without her, however."

and there you have it,

i never said 'sue the court'

but yyou do see that the worker

is either county or state.

and the responsibility did not

stop at the door...

CASE ON!!!

Nope. It wasn't the worker's idea to take them there.

No case.

SUPRMAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

It goes to show STILL how authority does not take domestic violence seriously.

She had no evidence of domestic violence.

She said she was afraid for their lives.

Sounds like the dispatcher probably thought she was being a drama queen.

She works for CSP so she knows from experience what is what. STOP.

I cried when I heard about this. I knew he would eventually kill those kids once they started talking about what happened to their mother. I think also they would have talked about what the grandfather was doing. My opinion has always been that Josh killed Susan because she was not only leaving him and taking the kids but that she was probably suspecting her father in law of molesting her kids. Remember Powell Sr is being investigated for his kiddie porn stash. That family was fucking nuts. Josh was a selfish ass bastard; he should have just killed himself.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SUPRMAN said:

She had no evidence of domestic violence.

She said she was afraid for their lives.

Sounds like the dispatcher probably thought she was being a drama queen.

She works for CSP so she knows from experience what is what. STOP.

Isn't each situation specific unto itself?

This had never happened to her before so there was no 'experience' for her.

She is not at fault. Josh Powell is.

SUPRMAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

She works for CSP so she knows from experience what is what. STOP.

Isn't each situation specific unto itself?

This had never happened to her before so there was no 'experience' for her.

She is not at fault. Josh Powell is.

Point stands. Domestic violence is still not taken as seriously as it needs to be by the authorities.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SUPRMAN said:

Isn't each situation specific unto itself?

This had never happened to her before so there was no 'experience' for her.

She is not at fault. Josh Powell is.

Point stands. Domestic violence is still not taken as seriously as it needs to be by the authorities.

What authorities ignored it?

The dispatcher is not 'the authorities.'

SUPRMAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Point stands. Domestic violence is still not taken as seriously as it needs to be by the authorities.

What authorities ignored it?

The dispatcher is not 'the authorities.'

Oh PLEASE! You must argue just cuz you get off on it.

That lady is pretty lucky to be alive.. From what's being reported he planned this thing out and if she actually made it in the house her family would probably be mourmimg her too