mistermaxxx said:

Holyfield WAS beating Tyson decisively in the rematch and would have gone on to knock him out again...just like the first time. Tyson knew this and bit Holyfield on BOTH ears.

Tyson cannot beat Holyfield.

mistermaxxx said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll find himself on his back in the ring the more he fights, as usual. He's not getting any younger, nor any better. People's Champ.
[This message was edited Sun Feb 23 0:42:30 PST 2003 by Supernova]

IceNine said:

He frustrated Tyson more than any fighter. Tyson's last resort was an ear appetizer.

IceNine said:

you got alot of Nerve telling Someone who watched the Fight Directly&Saw Tyson's Face Swole from Holyfield putting a Knot up on Tyson's Forhead&Not with his Fist.replay that 3rd Round&you see Holyfield hanging on for dear life&after that Fight every Cat He Fought said He was doing cheap Tactics.Mike Tyson the People's Champion&The True Soul Brother Champion.The Black Man that has Forever Flipped the Fight Game&The Money.Haters need to Leave Tyson alone because they don't Understand It's a Black Thang Why Peeps like Myself Want Him Back as HeavyWeight Champion!

Supernova said:

People's chump is more like it...

Unfortunately, Tyson could be 6 or 7 out of the top-ten heavyweights...

Supernova said:

that Punch Tonight was like Old Times.A Tyson Shot to the Head still triggers Reaction.PEOPLE"S CHAMP!!!

Supernova said:

you Get Head-Butted like Tyson was&what would you do?? Holyfield can't Fight a Fight half way without Butting just like that Cat he Fought a Year back with His Forehead Sticking out further than Sade's!!!

mistermaxxx said:

Of course it was; he's fighting tomato cans, and he'll be someone else's tomato can soon.

IceNine said:

Shows what you know about the People? you Can take 1-5&Combined Nobody can Sell Tickets to watch them Fight or care about them Being Champions.Tyson will be Back.It's A Black Thing with Tyson you Wouldn't Understand!

mistermaxxx said:

SCORECARD. He had 2 chances and lost decisively twice. There's nothing worse than excuses.

mistermaxxx said:

A lot of nerve???

I am simply a huge fan of boxing and I study fighters... Tyson CAN NOT beat Lewis, Klitschko, Holyfield or Byrd.

He has a chance against Byrd, but Byrd will out box him, frustrate him and win an easy decision. The only chance he has is to catch Byrd with a solid shot.

Tyson vs. Tua is a toss-up.
Tyson vs. Ruiz is a toss-up.
Tyson vs. Kirk Johnson - Tyson wins.
Tyson vs. Wlad Klitschko - Klitschko by KO
Tyson vs. Vitali Klitschko - probably Klitschko by decision.
Tyson vs. Chris Byrd - Byrd by decision
Tyson vs. Holyfield - Holyfield by decision or late KO
Tyson vs. Lewis - Lewis by mid-round KO
Tyson vs. Lance Whitaker - Tyson by KO
Tyson vs. Fres Oquendo - Tyson by KO

Supernova said:

You didn't watch the 2nd Fight.first Fight Holyfield Whipped Him.2nd Fight Holyfield had the early edge&then was Stumbling in the late 2nd Round&then went to His Dirty Tactics&started Head-Butting Him.but I guess your Eyes were Closed doing that Part Huh?? Tyson was getting ready to light Holyfield's Ass up until He started Butting Him.I dare you to watch that 2nd Fight&Come back with that Same Conclusion unless you Got TYSON HATERED In You??

mistermaxxx said:

What the fuck does "a black thing" have to do with how good a boxer is???

Tyson is NOT a great fighter anymore.

mistermaxxx said:

1. How are you gonna tell me what I watched or didn't?

2. Tyson was beaten twice by the same fighter, all the talking you do isn't going to change that.

3. This "hatred" nonsense you come up with everytime someone disagrees with you has gotten out of hand and is downright SILLY. Come up with something better than that.

IceNine said:

that's why Lewis is Begging to Fight Him again&People still want to see Him Fight?? with the Proper Training&Mental Vibe Tyson can Do Quite Well.Black Thing Means&watch your Language that Tyson Means alot To Cats who have been down with the Brother.

IceNine said:

[This message was edited Sun Feb 23 1:00:25 PST 2003 by AaronUnlimited]

mistermaxxx said:

I don't need to watch anything... I have simply said that Tyson is NOT the fighter that he used to be and he WILL NOT beat Lennox Lewis.

Tyson knows this for a fact... he knew it for sure after their first fight when he said that there was nothing that he could do to beat Lewis and he still knows it, as evidenced by his saying that he did not want to fight Lewis, as he didn't feel like getting beaten up again.

Supernova said:

you didn't watch the 2nd Fight&Are Dead Wrong on it&Can't stand the fact that I Broke it down.Holyfield Head-Butted Mike&the Media thought Mike was Wrong for Biting His Ear but come to find out after that Fight Holyfield kept using that tactic.Can't Win against Narrow-Minded Folks who didn't see the Fight Up Close.call it nonsense but You Hate on things&Drag them out&others do as well.Call it like I Read it.if Folks are Hatin' then what else am I gonna call it? you Show Respect&Understand My Side then I won't call you a Hater.because Yes I acknowledge that Tyson isn't Great anymore but then again Lewis isn't a Great Fighter IMHO either fully&Beatable&so why can't Tyson Win it all again??

IceNine said:

Tyson can Beat Lewis Hell Lewis isn't that deep of a fighter&could get knocked out because He stands around alot&While He is tough He just doesn't Dominate.I ain't getting into it but lets say I got some Education on the Fight Game&When Mike Tyson has the Belt again don't Hide from Me because I'm gonna Let you have it!!!

mistermaxxx said:

WRONG. I saw both fights, and the only person who doesn't seem to realize Tyson lost both fights is you. Don't be so darn presumtuous with silly assumptions. Even Tyson isn't in denial about it, there's no reason you should be.

And I never said a darn thing about Lewis.

Don't embarrass yourself with that "hater" rant you go into everytime someone disagrees with you. It ain't my fault you're not objective and base your opinion on everything other than current skill.

mistermaxxx said:

If you have some education on the fight game, let's talk boxing...

Give me anything other than uninformed rhetoric about Mike Tyson... I am a student of boxing... I watch all the fights I can and I buy tapes of classic fights, etc.

I would be glad to really discuss strategies, tactics and training ideas... I am 1000% into boxing and I haven't seen any real evidence of your boxing knowledge yet.

IceNine said:

you ain't showed me nothing either Period.in fact I hate I'm on a thread with you anyway because [Snip. Flame removed. LaV] ain't worth my time&truth be told I can relate to Mike Tyson because I always gotta Prove My Shit with some Hatin" Ass Mother's who think they are Beyond being touched&You don't Move Me.Ask USexyMF about My Boxing Knowledge&that Brother was a Boxer but you Sucker ain't worth My Beautiful Brown Fingers to Type with.I'm stepping off talking to you.

Supernova said:

Tyson came out of the 2nd Fight saying that Holyfield Butted His Head on Purpose DAMN everything has to be broken down to you or something?? you won't dare speak on Holyfield Using His Head to Protect Himself??Holyfield pulled that Crap left&right after Tyson said it but all folks wanna concentrate on is Tyson Biting Holyfield's Ear? but not much is mentioned of Holyfield's Cheap Tactics.Whatever I ain't Hitting My Head against a Brick Wall of Hatin One sided Folks To Hell with this Topic.I Know I'm Right on Here&when I'm Wrong I'll say So but I'm Right that Mike got Jacked in that 2nd Fight with Holyfield Period.

mistermaxxx said:

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I have talked to UsexyMF a number of times and he is knowledgeable about boxing... you are not.

You have NEVER talked about anything other than your stupid shit. You have NEVER demonstrated the LEAST amount of knowledge of anything, yet you get defensive and start acting like a total asshole at the drop of a hat.

You should also refrain from calling me a racist. [Snip. Flame removed. LaV]

Come on, I defy you to say even ONE intelligent thing about boxing. Do you even know anything about the history of boxing? Do you even know who the only boxer to ever retire as the undefeated heavyweight champion was? Who was Tony Zale? What did Max Schmelling do? Who was Primo Carnera? What do you think of Ricardo Lopez? etc...

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mistermaxxx said:

Did I ask what Tyson came out and said? Why would you think I needed that broken down?


No, I don't dare. Other fighters have found a way to beat Holyfield with his supposed dirty tactics - what stopped Big Bad Mike from doing the same? He was so far ahead of every other fighter, why could he not found a way? He had more than one chance.

SPORTS in general are games of adjustments; if things do not go your way in the first matchup, you CHANGE your methods to give you a better chance to win. Apparently Tyson wasn't good enough to know how to do that. I know you know this, considering this is the reason there are multiple games in a playoff series in basketball and baseball.


Yeah, funny that cannabalism during a sporting event should be overlooked for head buts.


Excuses are for whiners. I know you're not a whiner Maxxx.

And I guess I have to break down the fact that just because people may disagree with you that it does not constitute "hating." I'm starting to wonder if you even know what the word means, you use it so much it becomes meaningless.

IceNine said:

Amen


seeing lewis kick tyson's ass the last time made my nipples hard

Oh good Lord, Maxxx is at it again!!

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Supernova said:

I fear he'll NEVER get this, Nova...

hey IceNice and Maxx, give me your thoughts on this little thing they ran in the paper the other day...


Former trainer worries about Tyson

02/21/03

Roger Brown, Plain Dealer columnist


As the fight trainer for Mike Tyson in the late 1990s, native Clevelander Richie Giachetti constantly laughed, fought, cried and bled with the former heavweight champion - and loved him just as much.

How much so? When Tyson was formally suspended by Nevada officials for biting Evander Holyfield in 1997, Giachetti was the only member of Tyson's camp - the fighter included - who appeared at the hearing.

Now Giachetti watches from afar as the controversial Tyson prepares to fight Clifford Etienne tomorrow night after a week of bizarre behavior that included missing workouts, briefly withdrawing from the bout and getting a huge tattoo on his face. The Hall of Fame trainer has two hard-hitting emotions: deep pity for Tyson, and a deeper anger for those who surround the fighter.

"It's absolutely breaking my heart because Mike Tyson shouldn't be fighting [tomorrow night]," Giachetti said.

"Mike Tyson is a very insecure kid who badly needs help and badly needs love," he said. "But he's not getting either, because the people around Mike Tyson see him as a dollar sign and not as a human being."

Giachetti says if physically and mentally prepared, Tyson could still win the heavyweight title.

"But it just won't happen the way he's going now," Giachetti says. "He's crying out for someone he can respect to care about him. But who around Mike Tyson cares enough about him to stop pushing him into the ring and making money off his blood?"

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Tyson definitely has the skill, strength and style to beat most if not all of the fighters, who currently reside in the heavy weight division, including Lennox Lewis and most definitely Evander Holyfield.

He still cuts an impressive figure, has excellent ring craft, can still punch, can still take a punch, and in my opinion is still hella fast. Tyson is not just a banger, but can move and box. In the 80/90's there was no one around that pushed him to use all of his skills and now he has to prove himself, he hasn't done enough work to fully recognise his potential, to show us all of his skills.

What i believe to be his downfall is firstly his lack of focus, not whilst in the fight, one can never say that Mike hasn't given his all in any of his fights. But in preparation, for and in his daily living. It is obvious the boy has not been able to win the most important fight and that is the one with his inner demons.

His absence from the ring whilst he was incarcerated, obviously had its toll and Mike should have started at the bottom and worked his way up again. His fundamental mistake was trading on his name, without being able to back it up with his skills.

Thus leading to his present predicament, there is no one out there that can test him, that he can fight so as to hone his accuracy and speed, and give him a challenge to focus upon.

Therefore he is in no position to fight those that can test him such as Lewis, the Klitschko brothers or even Byrd. Because he has not done the work to beat them, fights lasting minutes look impressive, but are hardly a good foundation to learn from.

Tyson is held in high esteem by the black community and the working classes, he represents the struggle of black ppl, of poor ppl, against the machine of oppression that is present day politics. I am not sure if he deserves this idolization, back in the day it was the Joe "Brown bomber" Lewis, then Muhammad "the greatest" Ali and now Iron Mike Tyson. But from what I know of him and have seen of him i respect him totally, as a man and a fighter.

I love fighters and fighting, it is one of the most important parts of my life, i don't give my love away to many boxers, maybe out of jealousy, usually out of criticism of what i see as a flawed style. But Tyson represents a force that can never be denied, he is intelligent and articulate and it is about time the media stop portraying him as an animal.

And i think we Tyson fans, live in hope that he will overthrow these images and once again conquer.

Just like Ali did in Zaire, when he shook the world.

And as great as Lennox Lewis definitely is, and i don't mean no disrespect but the brother couldn't shake a salt pot let alone the world.
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[This message was edited Sun Feb 23 4:57:27 PST 2003 by stepinrazor]

Step... now u know damn well Tyson isnt a boxer... hes a street fighter.. a brawler..he throws a good punch but cant "box" its now at the point i think Shannon Briggs could put him on his ass...LOL all Mike was... was a street fighter... what would happen if Mike Tyson and say i dont know.. David Tua... got it on...