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Reply #30 posted 01/18/12 10:56am

MachT

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I'm strange in that sometimes I fee a great deal of empathy, while other times, I know that I should, but I don't feel anything.

I am like this as well ... took years to become comfortable with it

I don't see it as so strange now nor do I feel bad/quilty about it ~ it is what it is

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Reply #31 posted 01/18/12 11:41am

RodeoSchro

Well, I guess there are two possibilities:

1. Pity, as well as all other emotions, did not exist in the beginning, but through millions of years of evolution, for some reason we went from "Survival of the Fittest" whereby it was kill or be killed, to human beings that have an endless range of emotions. I can understand how an emotion like anger could have evolved, because anger triggers various body and chemical mechanisms that are useful in defense but do not appear in a natural, calm state. But I can't think of a single reason why humans would have evolved an emotion like pity. So, that leaves possibility #2;

2. This is the way God made us.

I firmly believe in possibility #2.

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Reply #32 posted 01/18/12 11:58am

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RodeoSchro said:

Well, I guess there are two possibilities:

1. Pity, as well as all other emotions, did not exist in the beginning, but through millions of years of evolution, for some reason we went from "Survival of the Fittest" whereby it was kill or be killed, to human beings that have an endless range of emotions. I can understand how an emotion like anger could have evolved, because anger triggers various body and chemical mechanisms that are useful in defense but do not appear in a natural, calm state. But I can't think of a single reason why humans would have evolved an emotion like pity. So, that leaves possibility #2;

2. This is the way God made us.

I firmly believe in possibility #2.

Do you think God pities us?

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Reply #33 posted 01/18/12 12:02pm

RodeoSchro

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

RodeoSchro said:

Well, I guess there are two possibilities:

1. Pity, as well as all other emotions, did not exist in the beginning, but through millions of years of evolution, for some reason we went from "Survival of the Fittest" whereby it was kill or be killed, to human beings that have an endless range of emotions. I can understand how an emotion like anger could have evolved, because anger triggers various body and chemical mechanisms that are useful in defense but do not appear in a natural, calm state. But I can't think of a single reason why humans would have evolved an emotion like pity. So, that leaves possibility #2;

2. This is the way God made us.

I firmly believe in possibility #2.

Do you think God pities us?

Of course not. He loves us.

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Reply #34 posted 01/18/12 9:06pm

Dave1992

imago said:

I'm strange in that sometimes I fee a great deal of empathy, while other times, I know that I should, but I don't feel anything.

Same here.

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Reply #35 posted 01/18/12 11:04pm

Pomade

I agree with the conclusion these were acts of empathy and compassion, and I believe we're at our best when we not only recognize opportunities to demonstrate them but especially when we actually do.

Dave, your uncertainties might lie in the fact that actual gifts and gestures of that sort are so rare in our time. Cultivate that response, for all our sakes. We all should.
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Reply #36 posted 01/18/12 11:34pm

iloveannie

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First I felt relieved to have done something, but moments later I started to feel extremely uncomfortable and angry with myself. I'm usually a very private person who I also very careful about and respecting other people's privacy. How could I assume my words would mend his pain? Who gave me the right to interfere and tamper with other people's lives? If someone had said those words to me I probably would even have felt a bit offended and hemmed in.

There is too little of this. Or perhaps it's rarity is what makes it so pure and meaningful. I guess it depends on how you view our existence: just another chemical/electrical reaction or some beautiful moment of human compassion. Either choice it really is the same thing.

I feel pity for you if you truly feel that way. Is this really how we want or should be? Scared, insular, ignorant?

You did a beautiful thing. You saw someone else's pain and offered comfort. If only the whole world worked like that.

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Reply #37 posted 01/18/12 11:39pm

iloveannie

MachT said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Pity is destructive, Compassion is constructive.

Turn that pity into Compassion and you might feel differently inside about situations. People, every single one of us, have the answers inside.

Pity is feeling sorry for someone, Compassion is lending empathy and concern without making someone a victim.

Now if we could only ( we = people in general ) intentionally and actively switch self pity to SELF COMPASSION ~ what a wonderful and healthy switch that would/could ( is ! ) be

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We can. We just need to take a little time to sit and think before we act. We have the ability to be both good and bad. For the most part we are indifferent.

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Reply #38 posted 01/18/12 11:44pm

iloveannie

RodeoSchro said:

Well, I guess there are two possibilities:

1. Pity, as well as all other emotions, did not exist in the beginning, but through millions of years of evolution, for some reason we went from "Survival of the Fittest" whereby it was kill or be killed, to human beings that have an endless range of emotions. I can understand how an emotion like anger could have evolved, because anger triggers various body and chemical mechanisms that are useful in defense but do not appear in a natural, calm state. But I can't think of a single reason why humans would have evolved an emotion like pity. So, that leaves possibility #2;

2. This is the way God made us.

I firmly believe in possibility #2.

You don't think it could have anything to do with survival of our species? Care and nurture?

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Reply #39 posted 01/18/12 11:44pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Well, I guess there are two possibilities:



1. Pity, as well as all other emotions, did not exist in the beginning, but through millions of years of evolution, for some reason we went from "Survival of the Fittest" whereby it was kill or be killed, to human beings that have an endless range of emotions. I can understand how an emotion like anger could have evolved, because anger triggers various body and chemical mechanisms that are useful in defense but do not appear in a natural, calm state. But I can't think of a single reason why humans would have evolved an emotion like pity. So, that leaves possibility #2;



2. This is the way God made us.



I firmly believe in possibility #2.



I guess in early man days someone that is pitiful and pathetic - perhaps like an infant or very elderly person - cannot care for themself. The act of pitying is a recognition that this is someone lesser than you, who may not survive on their own without your help but may also be a liability to your own survival. It's a judgement call.

I feel like pity is a looking down of sorts in my opinion, possibly without a real desire to help, as opposed to compassion with empathy, and dignity, which is free of scorn.
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Reply #40 posted 01/18/12 11:55pm

iloveannie

Personally, and on a side note, I wish more people would refer to their dictionaries when defining the meaning of words. Although we all have our own grasp of words and their meanings there are actual, documented explanations of each and every one. It's so much simpler and rewarding to just look up the words or terms you see people use or attempt to use yourself.

Pity, empathy, sympathy, compassion. They are all grouped together yet all mean something different.

If all you feel is pity then it's not your fault (to anyone this). Not being able to relate to a person, an event or a feeling is not a failing on the individual's part.

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Reply #41 posted 01/19/12 12:10am

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imago said:

I'm strange in that sometimes I fee a great deal of empathy, while other times, I know that I should, but I don't feel anything.

Yeah, I know a lot of people say stuff like this. My head must be wired funny though because I pretty much always feel empathy and pity for people - unless I just know the person is an asshole then I pretty much don't care and admittedly, sometimes even enjoy watching them experience misfortune and feel they deserve it. But that's extraordinarily rare; I can think of less than a handful of people during the course of my life that I've actually felt that way towards.

I even felt bad for Mister Hands for dying after he fucked that horse, which even I don't completely understand. boxed

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Reply #42 posted 01/19/12 1:01am

obsessed

I never really feel pity....more so empathy or compassion.

And yet like Imago said, I'm sometimes impervious to what's going on.

Maybe at those times, we're more into ourselves..........

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Reply #43 posted 01/19/12 3:46am

Dave1992

I edited the title and some words in the orginial post to replace "pity" with "empathy", because what I felt clearly falls under the common connotation of "empathy" rather than "pity", after having read your responses.

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Reply #44 posted 01/19/12 4:06am

Dave1992

iloveannie said:

Dave1992 said:

First I felt relieved to have done something, but moments later I started to feel extremely uncomfortable and angry with myself. I'm usually a very private person who I also very careful about and respecting other people's privacy. How could I assume my words would mend his pain? Who gave me the right to interfere and tamper with other people's lives? If someone had said those words to me I probably would even have felt a bit offended and hemmed in.

There is too little of this. Or perhaps it's rarity is what makes it so pure and meaningful. I guess it depends on how you view our existence: just another chemical/electrical reaction or some beautiful moment of human compassion. Either choice it really is the same thing.

I feel pity for you if you truly feel that way. Is this really how we want or should be? Scared, insular, ignorant?

You did a beautiful thing. You saw someone else's pain and offered comfort. If only the whole world worked like that.

I wouldn't call myself ignorant or scared; maybe a little paranoid and shy when it comes to getting closer to others on an emotional level. I don't know whether this is how I want or should be, but I do know that most of the time I feel safer and more comfortable keeping a certain privacy and an emotional distance. That's mainly why I don't know how to react to and what to think of moments such as these, when something inside of me wants to connect and show love out of empathy.

I do think it's important and I will certainly not try to supress it, but I'm not sure whether I would be able to be so "open" towards all strangers I meet. It's probably some kind of self-protection mechanism.

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Reply #45 posted 01/19/12 4:28am

iloveannie

Love they fellow man as they say. Not like imago does mind you wink

Then again I seem to remember also being told "Stranger Danger". Again that probably applies to imago wink

Sorry imago. Just jesting.

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Reply #46 posted 01/19/12 4:30am

iloveannie

There was this bird on the bus yesterday that I felt pity for. Oh no, wait a minute, it was an erection. Yep, definately an erection. Coachman's Lob as they say.

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Reply #47 posted 01/19/12 5:16am

Dave1992

iloveannie said:

There was this bird on the bus yesterday that I felt pity for. Oh no, wait a minute, it was an erection. Yep, definately an erection. Coachman's Lob as they say.

I know that feeling. Makes you want to connect with them, on a very deep level, aye?

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Reply #48 posted 01/19/12 5:37am

Pomade

Dave1992 said:



iloveannie said:


There was this bird on the bus yesterday that I felt pity for. Oh no, wait a minute, it was an erection. Yep, definately an erection. Coachman's Lob as they say.





I know that feeling. Makes you want to connect with them, on a verydeep damp level, aye?



Fixed it for ya...
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Reply #49 posted 01/19/12 5:52am

Dave1992

Pomade said:

Dave1992 said:

I know that feeling. Makes you want to connect with them, on a verydeep damp level, aye?

Fixed it for ya...

It's damp on that deep level anyway!

Oh lord, the org...

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Reply #50 posted 01/19/12 6:01am

PurpleJedi

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Dave1992 said:

Pomade said:

Dave1992 said: Fixed it for ya...

It's damp on that deep level anyway!

Oh lord, the org...

POMADE fishslap

DAVE1992 fishslap

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Reply #51 posted 01/19/12 6:02am

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PurpleJedi said:

Dave1992 said:

It's damp on that deep level anyway!

Oh lord, the org...

POMADE fishslap

DAVE1992 fishslap

mr.green

PUT EM ON THE LIST excited PUT EM ON THE LIST excited

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Reply #52 posted 01/19/12 6:04am

PurpleJedi

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tinaz said:

PurpleJedi said:

POMADE fishslap

DAVE1992 fishslap

mr.green

PUT EM ON THE LIST excited PUT EM ON THE LIST excited

lol

...not yet...not yet...

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Reply #53 posted 01/19/12 6:05am

tinaz

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PurpleJedi said:

tinaz said:

PUT EM ON THE LIST excited PUT EM ON THE LIST excited

lol

...not yet...not yet...

sigh

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Reply #54 posted 01/19/12 2:09pm

Dave1992

PurpleJedi said:

Dave1992 said:

It's damp on that deep level anyway!

Oh lord, the org...

POMADE fishslap

DAVE1992 fishslap

mr.green

Pity us, we're guilty sinners...

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Reply #55 posted 01/20/12 6:57am

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i think that was nice to acknowledge the man that was crying. who knows what he had on his plate, at least he knew someone cared if only briefly

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