What is everyone fighting for? Really?

I don't believe human nature inspires humans to fight for everything, I think we've been cultured to fight with each other.

Can't we all just get along? Or no?

I thought my line of work brought out the worst in people and recently I've begun delving into a completly different kind of activity where I thought people would be cool, laid back, etc. but NO, people are scrapping over scraps!

Where does such behavior come from?

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It all started back when monkeymen first started using bones as weapons.
Like in that one 2001 movie.

Your plans, no matter how best laid (your plans, not you), were doomed before you were even born.
Happy belated Holidays.

Great track, love Al Jarreau version wiv his son Chris Walker.

To some extent it probably is an innate part of human nature to be needlessly aggressive. Notice that a lot of time when there is no conflict people go out of their way to create some.

Having said that, it's no excuse. The thing that separates us from animals is the fact that we have more brainpower as well as a conscience and the ability to think before we act and control our actions.

Which isn't to say I'm a total cynic and think humanity is doomed - on the contrary I've seen too much good in other human beings to ever make a statement like that. I just wish people would choose to act in a truly positive manner more often than a negative one.

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

What is everyone fighting for? Really?

I don't believe human nature inspires humans to fight for everything, I think we've been cultured to fight with each other.

Can't we all just get along? Or no?

I thought my line of work brought out the worst in people and recently I've begun delving into a completly different kind of activity where I thought people would be cool, laid back, etc. but NO, people are scrapping over scraps!

Where does such behavior come from?

edit-typo

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what is your line of work?

no fighting here ~ i 'm glad 2 b the loser i am

ThisOne said:

no fighting here ~ i 'm glad 2 b the loser i am

Visionnaire said:

It all started back when monkeymen first started using bones as weapons.
Like in that one 2001 movie.

Your plans, no matter how best laid (your plans, not you), were doomed before you were even born.
Happy belated Holidays.

I remember that movie and yes they did start fighting with bones; it was terrible (the fighting, not the movie).

I am resigned for the coming year to not allow such foolishness to enter my world...we'll see what happens! Nonetheless, thanks for the good wishes.

smudges said:

Great track, love Al Jarreau version wiv his son Chris Walker.

Thanks for steering me to the video -- had no idea Al Jarreau had a son and a talented one at that -- I love it.

Dren5 said:

To some extent it probably is an innate part of human nature to be needlessly aggressive. Notice that a lot of time when there is no conflict people go out of their way to create some.

Having said that, it's no excuse. The thing that separates us from animals is the fact that we have more brainpower as well as a conscience and the ability to think before we act and control our actions.

Which isn't to say I'm a total cynic and think humanity is doomed - on the contrary I've seen too much good in other human beings to ever make a statement like that. I just wish people would choose to act in a truly positive manner more often than a negative one.

I think its safe to say that SOME people go out of their way...that's my point, I think it really comes down to choice. You can elect to be aggressive or chose a different path. That is what separates us from the animal kingdom our brains give us the power to distinguish between smashing someone over the head with a bone or not.

Too often people chose the easy way out rather than compromise, communication, etc. and instead chose conflict. I suppose in the prehistoric days the stronger troglodyte won, so there we stand?

Tremolina said:

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

What is everyone fighting for? Really?

I don't believe human nature inspires humans to fight for everything, I think we've been cultured to fight with each other.

Can't we all just get along? Or no?

I thought my line of work brought out the worst in people and recently I've begun delving into a completly different kind of activity where I thought people would be cool, laid back, etc. but NO, people are scrapping over scraps!

Where does such behavior come from?

edit-typo

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what is your line of work?

management corporate style

PurpleJedi said:

ThisOne said:

no fighting here ~ i 'm glad 2 b the loser i am

Hey I know a few folks who've left and checked-out for just these reasons. Leaving all that behind to serve drinks on the beach..LOL -- when they visit, they seem much happier! Not much fighting when your serving MaiTais and everyone is half-nude!

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

PurpleJedi said:

Hey I know a few folks who've left and checked-out for just these reasons. Leaving all that behind to serve drinks on the beach..LOL -- when they visit, they seem much happier! Not much fighting when your serving MaiTais and everyone is half-nude!

sounds like a life plan!!!!

do i get to b naked 2?????? cause i like that

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

Tremolina said:

what is your line of work?

management corporate style

Ah. Well that explains it.

ThisOne said:

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

Hey I know a few folks who've left and checked-out for just these reasons. Leaving all that behind to serve drinks on the beach..LOL -- when they visit, they seem much happier! Not much fighting when your serving MaiTais and everyone is half-nude!

sounds like a life plan!!!!

do i get to b naked 2?????? cause i like that

I'm in!

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

What is everyone fighting for? Really?

I don't believe human nature inspires humans to fight for everything, I think we've been cultured to fight with each other.

Can't we all just get along? Or no?

I thought my line of work brought out the worst in people and recently I've begun delving into a completly different kind of activity where I thought people would be cool, laid back, etc. but NO, people are scrapping over scraps!

Where does such behavior come from?

edit-typo

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this is exactly the nature of humans.

humans are by nature pettie things, that

have to be taught to be different (peaceful)

that's why religions were so easy to put on folks.

humans are the only (were the only) truly distructive

creatures on earth and will distroy the eatrh for the sake

of their own whims.

HUMAN NATURE, it is whut it is

KingBAD said:

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

What is everyone fighting for? Really?

I don't believe human nature inspires humans to fight for everything, I think we've been cultured to fight with each other.

Can't we all just get along? Or no?

I thought my line of work brought out the worst in people and recently I've begun delving into a completly different kind of activity where I thought people would be cool, laid back, etc. but NO, people are scrapping over scraps!

Where does such behavior come from?

edit-typo

[Edited 1/8/12 22:58pm]

this is exactly the nature of humans.

humans are by nature pettie things, that

have to be taught to be different (peaceful)

that's why religions were so easy to put on folks.

humans are the only (were the only) truly distructive

creatures on earth and will distroy the eatrh for the sake

of their own whims.

HUMAN NATURE, it is whut it is

Well there's survival of the fittest in the animal kingdom. But we're taking it to a whole new level. You're convinced that IS HUMAN NATURE rather than conditioning?

I don't. I think its conditioning. If it were human nature there wouldn't be societies who commune void of aggression.

It's not human nature, it's just nature

Lisa10 said:

SOMEONE had to post that, right?

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

KingBAD said:

this is exactly the nature of humans.

humans are by nature pettie things, that

have to be taught to be different (peaceful)

that's why religions were so easy to put on folks.

humans are the only (were the only) truly distructive

creatures on earth and will distroy the eatrh for the sake

of their own whims.

HUMAN NATURE, it is whut it is

Well there's survival of the fittest in the animal kingdom. But we're taking it to a whole new level. You're convinced that IS HUMAN NATURE rather than conditioning?

I don't. I think its conditioning. If it were human nature there wouldn't be societies who commune void of aggression.

survival of the fittest, is nature

someone once said that you have to teach a baby violence, not true

you have to teach a baby to NOT be violent

places that are void of aggression have no children,

people go there already grown. there is no human society

void of aggression, it a religious stuggle. something to

aspire to as a world, or a people.

harnony between humans and the world about them

that is the thing that takes 'conditioning'

humans will say that distruction is needed in order

to advance the world, BUT whut have they done.

when human nature is overcome, would be soldiers

will simply say "this i cannot do" but it's human nature

to feel pride in wanting to kill for glory. or even just fight for it.

we start out only fighting, then we learn to kill.

then we learn how to rationalize our killing.

this is the nature of humans

PurpleJedi said:

ThisOne said:

sounds like a life plan!!!!

do i get to b naked 2?????? cause i like that

I'm in!

You can be whatever you wanna be boo! and you too Jedi - Let's go.

NDRU said:

It's not human nature, it's just nature

Really? So hard for me to grasp. I just don't believe it.

KingBAD said:

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

Well there's survival of the fittest in the animal kingdom. But we're taking it to a whole new level. You're convinced that IS HUMAN NATURE rather than conditioning?

I don't. I think its conditioning. If it were human nature there wouldn't be societies who commune void of aggression.

survival of the fittest, is nature

someone once said that you have to teach a baby violence, not true

you have to teach a baby to NOT be violent

places that are void of aggression have no children,

people go there already grown. there is no human society

void of aggression, it a religious stuggle. something to

aspire to as a world, or a people.

harnony between humans and the world about them

that is the thing that takes 'conditioning'

humans will say that distruction is needed in order

to advance the world, BUT whut have they done.

when human nature is overcome, would be soldiers

will simply say "this i cannot do" but it's human nature

to feel pride in wanting to kill for glory. or even just fight for it.

we start out only fighting, then we learn to kill.

then we learn how to rationalize our killing.

this is the nature of humans

Without making this a P&R thread, It is the 7 deadly sins that causes fighting and violence. The 7 are the conditioning not inherent but learned behaviors:

Wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, gluttony.

Children do not posess these behaviors until taught them.

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

PurpleJedi said:

I'm in!

You can be whatever you wanna be boo! and you too Jedi - Let's go.

...gotta make one quick pitstop in California...but after that I'm good to GO!

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

KingBAD said:

survival of the fittest, is nature

someone once said that you have to teach a baby violence, not true

you have to teach a baby to NOT be violent

places that are void of aggression have no children,

people go there already grown. there is no human society

void of aggression, it a religious stuggle. something to

aspire to as a world, or a people.

harnony between humans and the world about them

that is the thing that takes 'conditioning'

humans will say that distruction is needed in order

to advance the world, BUT whut have they done.

when human nature is overcome, would be soldiers

will simply say "this i cannot do" but it's human nature

to feel pride in wanting to kill for glory. or even just fight for it.

we start out only fighting, then we learn to kill.

then we learn how to rationalize our killing.

this is the nature of humans

Without making this a P&R thread, It is the 7 deadly sins that causes fighting and violence. The 7 are the conditioning not inherent but learned behaviors:

Wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, gluttony.

Children do not posess these behaviors until taught them.

These are societies values. A child is taught to behave this way if it wants to survive it's society.

PurpleJedi said:

Lisa10 said:

SOMEONE had to post that, right?

I didn't have any wise words. That song was the only thing I had in my mind.

And now it's here 3 times.

Lisa10 said:

PurpleJedi said:

SOMEONE had to post that, right?

I didn't have any wise words. That song was the only thing I had in my mind.

And now it's here 3 times.

I like it.

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

Lisa10 said:

I didn't have any wise words. That song was the only thing I had in my mind.

And now it's here 3 times.

I like it.

Me too. Lots.

WhatdoUwantme2do said:

NDRU said:

It's not human nature, it's just nature

Really? So hard for me to grasp. I just don't believe it.

have you ever seen nature?