Timmy84 said:

Cerebus said:

I'm not sure I want to get too far into this discussion, but I do want to add one thing. A cure for AIDS, or cancer, or whatever (be it a vaccine or treatment) would be HUGELY profitable on multiple levels.

Yeah. And I might as well just leave it before it gets heated.

Dude. You started it.

Cerebus said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah. And I might as well just leave it before it gets heated.

Dude. You started it.

Inadvertently though. Anyways, I'm man enough to say I'm sorry if I offended anyone if it came off like that. Deuces.

AsherFierce said:

Cut his thang off.

Timmy84 said:

JuliePurplehead said:

Oh, they know! And they know how to get rid of it. But I suppose that's the conspiracy theorist in me.

But since it's now known that there are people with immunity, perhaps they can work on finding out who has immunity to treat the people infected. Of course, that would take mucho dinero.

Right, they just don't wanna lose money finding a cure. People are greedy just letting folks die. I do think there is a cure to this too though. But no one don't wanna say anything...

I think there is a cure. I think Magic Johnson found benefits from it. I also think its a natural/herbal cure which is why its not made public because the powers that be can't patent it and make money. That's what I believe anyway. People would rather believe the opposite because its safe to do so.

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Seriously? I mean, SERIOUSLY?!

GAH!!!!!

..... walks away....

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Right, they just don't wanna lose money finding a cure. People are greedy just letting folks die. I do think there is a cure to this too though. But no one don't wanna say anything...

I think there is a cure. I think Magic Johnson found benefits from it. I also think its a natural/herbal cure which is why its not made public because the powers that be can't patent it and make money. That's what I believe anyway. People would rather believe the opposite because its safe to do so.

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Why would you think Magic Johnson benefits from it? Is he cured?

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Right, they just don't wanna lose money finding a cure. People are greedy just letting folks die. I do think there is a cure to this too though. But no one don't wanna say anything...

I think there is a cure. I think Magic Johnson found benefits from it. I also think its a natural/herbal cure which is why its not made public because the powers that be can't patent it and make money. That's what I believe anyway. People would rather believe the opposite because its safe to do so.

Wow.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Right, they just don't wanna lose money finding a cure. People are greedy just letting folks die. I do think there is a cure to this too though. But no one don't wanna say anything...

I think there is a cure. I think Magic Johnson found benefits from it. I also think its a natural/herbal cure which is why its not made public because the powers that be can't patent it and make money. That's what I believe anyway. People would rather believe the opposite because its safe to do so.

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Magic Johnson takes a regimen of anti-virals, keeping his viral load below detectable. His infection will never progress to AIDS...he leads a productive life on these medications.

He is NOT cured. Sadly...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

HotGritz said:

I think there is a cure. I think Magic Johnson found benefits from it. I also think its a natural/herbal cure which is why its not made public because the powers that be can't patent it and make money. That's what I believe anyway. People would rather believe the opposite because its safe to do so.

Magic Johnson takes a regimen of anti-virals, keeping his viral load below detectable. His infection will never progress to AIDS...he leads a productive life on these medications.

He is NOT cured. Sadly...

I often wonder why people still throw Magic Johnson into these conversations, as if there's something unique about the way he's dealing with his HIV infection.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Timmy84 said:

Right, they just don't wanna lose money finding a cure. People are greedy just letting folks die. I do think there is a cure to this too though. But no one don't wanna say anything...

Timmy, I'm sorry bro, but that's bullshit...

You have no idea how hard it is to find even a VACCINE for HIV, let alone find a complete cure. Why? Because HIV is a highly mutatable virus that can QUICKLY develop resistance to w/e defences or drugs administered to fight them. Natural selections happens quicker with viruses because they reproduce faster.

There are cases where HIV was completely eradicated from patients with the disease (I've only heard of two successful cases) , but they are very invasive and potentially fatal procedures (i.e think eradicating all your white blood cells followed by a complete bone marrow transplant) and are still not approved safety wise in many developed countries, including the US.

For those living with HIV in the US, there are therapies, both pharmacological and non-pharmacological, to help keep the condition under control and help them lead healthy, productive lives. But of course...you don't hear about that very often, do you?

To think that all the hard work and toil being made to control this disease is being ridiculed on this thread is infuriating. I'm studying to help these people. To suggest that people in my profession are withholding a potential cure is insulting.

The reason why HIV is still more prevalent than it should be is because not enough people get tested, and there is not enough understanding or empathy for people who have the disease (i.e some people still think it's a "gay man's disease" or a "curse" for the sexually promiscuous). Change the mentality surrounding the disease, the more strides we'll take to controlling it and God willing, find a cure.

As far as the guy who was KNOWINGLY spreading HIV...I hope he goes to jail for a long time and given psychiatric therapy. The man's a psychopath..

That procedure would not eliminate the virus from the spinal column or brain. So there would still be reservoirs of it in those areas that would move back out into the rest of the body.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Right, they just don't wanna lose money finding a cure. People are greedy just letting folks die. I do think there is a cure to this too though. But no one don't wanna say anything...

I think there is a cure. I think Magic Johnson found benefits from it. I also think its a natural/herbal cure which is why its not made public because the powers that be can't patent it and make money. That's what I believe anyway. People would rather believe the opposite because its safe to do so.

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You most certainly could. It's doubtful it's an entire plant in its natural state.

It would be a compound in the plant or produced by the plant. Synthesizing it would be patentable and cheaper to mass produce and thus mass market.

I don't believe that there's a cure that Magic Johnson has and few others.

I'm sure there are other people who have lived with it longer than Magic, you just don't know who they are.

I've been living with HIV for 20 years, never took any medication and i'm totally healty, but there is no cure. That's just stupid to say.

I don't know how the virus works, some of us get sick very quickly, some of us don't. Has nothing to do with some fucking herbal fruit or something.

Yanno what?

I just re-read what I wrote... nah there ain't no damn cure. Unfortunately.

I'll rewrite what I said as this: if there WAS a cure, people wouldn't want to spend money to help people find one. In other words, people who have HIV are told to learn to "live with it". I don't know how some of y'all do it but God bless you but why the fuck is there not a cure I don't know why!?

So apologies for any misunderstanding with my own stupid comment. I know when to back down.

Timmy84 said:

Yanno what?

I just re-read what I wrote... nah there ain't no damn cure. Unfortunately.

I'll rewrite what I said as this: if there WAS a cure, people wouldn't want to spend money to help people find one. In other words, people who have HIV are told to learn to "live with it". I don't know how some of y'all do it but God bless you but why the fuck is there not a cure I don't know why!?

So apologies for any misunderstanding with my own stupid comment. I know when to back down.

The reason there is not a cure is because HIV is caused by a virus.

Virus live short lives and rapidly mutate to adapt to changing conditions. It's there sole survival mechanism other than becoming dormant.

It the same as asking why there is no cure for the common cold when we get colds every year.

Surely by now we'd have a way to stop it.

Colds, flu and HIV are all viruses that require constant adaptation to to defeat.

You never get the same cold twice, although you can repeatedly reinfect yourself with a cold if you presently have one.

Because you never get the same cold twice, it is hard to devise a drug that will help going forward rather than curing something you no longer have.

If HIV were a bacteria, it would be much, much easier to treat and cure.

SUPRMAN said:

HotGritz said:

I think there is a cure. I think Magic Johnson found benefits from it. I also think its a natural/herbal cure which is why its not made public because the powers that be can't patent it and make money. That's what I believe anyway. People would rather believe the opposite because its safe to do so.

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You most certainly could. It's doubtful it's an entire plant in its natural state.

It would be a compound in the plant or produced by the plant. Synthesizing it would be patentable and cheaper to mass produce and thus mass market.

I don't believe that there's a cure that Magic Johnson has and few others.

I'm sure there are other people who have lived with it longer than Magic, you just don't know who they are.

Or several compounds from different plants or a specific plant based diet or even elements from those plants that could be put in liquid form much like we do with B12. I don't know why people want to rely so heavily on chemicals as cure alls or acceptable forms of treatment for our own biochemistry.

I still believe there is a cure and also a cure for many other diseases. There are people out there who have no problem letting certain members of the human population perish and do so quickly. If we as humans have no problem killing off certain animal species and poisoning parts of our environment then why wouldn't we kill off part of our own species?

Prince Philip once said he wished he could be reincarnated as a killer virus to lower the human population. A man that educated, wealthy and influential wishes to come back to earth as a killer virus? Makes you wonder how many other powerful people feel that way and how many are working on such a virus now.

Yes Majic is rich and can afford the best medical care but there have been othe rich people who have not and are not as healthy as him. If everyone is taking the same meds as Majic then why arent' they as healthy and vigorous as him? The man does not look sick, act sick and has apparently never stopped working even for a vacation. He didn't pass it on to his wife or kids they had together. Either he is super man or he has access to medication that others don't and that medication may not be artificial.

The amount of money that would be made, saved, and moved by the creation of a cure for AIDS or Cancer is beyond comprehension. It would change the entire face of our planet.

Do you really believe that the governments and the wealthy of the world WANT to be spending billions of dollars a year, none of which they ever get back, treating and caring for these patients?

Do you honestly believe that anybody, or any business, with capability to create a cure or treatment (its not coming from some angry computer virus creating geek in his garage) would not want to immediately be known as the person, or persons, responsible for making those changes, or that they wouldn't want the money associated with doing so?

If there was a cure, it would be made available immediately.

Edit: Also, Magic Johnson has been quite vocal about the fact that the one time he thought he was well enough to stop taking his "cocktail" every FOUR HOURS he got VERY sick.

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Also, what ONE MAN says affects the way you think about all other people who are like him? Your view of the world must be pretty messed up if that's true.

Lastly, what does, "and that medication may not be artificial" mean, exactly? That there's some natural "wonder cure" out there that only Magic's numerous DOCTORS know about?

Cerebus said:

The amount of money that would be made, saved, and moved by the creation of a cure for AIDS or Cancer is beyond comprehension. It would change the entire face of our planet.

Do you really believe that the governments and the wealthy of the world WANT to be spending billions of dollars a year, none of which they ever get back, treating and caring for these patients?

Do you honestly believe that anybody, or any business, with capability to create a cure or treatment (its not coming from some angry computer virus creating geek in his garage) would not want to immediately be known as the person, or persons, responsible for making those changes, or that they wouldn't want the money associated with doing so?

If there was a cure, it would be made available immediately.

Edit: Also, Magic Johnson has been quite vocal about the fact that the one time he thought he was well enough to stop taking his "cocktail" every FOUR HOURS he got VERY sick.

[Edited 1/10/12 10:16am]

ARen't you contradicting yourself a bit here? First you say that a cure would generate profit beyond comprehension but then you say the government and wealthy of the world don't want to spend billions a year on treating infected patients. Well it seems that a cure, at the right price, would generate billions and give the "governments" and "wealthy of the world" a return on their investment. Also, one could argue that more money is generated by keeping people continuously sick and coming back for more medication rather than a one time cure which would not keep the money rolling in. I tend to believe the latter is true. Profits are to be made off the sick not the healthy.

Cerebus said:

Also, what ONE MAN says affects the way you think about all other people who are like him? Your view of the world must be pretty messed up if that's true.

Lastly, what does, "and that medication may not be artificial" mean, exactly? That there's some natural "wonder cure" out there that only Magic's numerous DOCTORS know about?

It only takes one man to speak of what many men think.

To your second comment. YES. There could very well be a "wonder cure" that required a willing guinea pig to test it on. I mean, we did ultimately find a cure for polio. I'm sure one luck bloke was the first to get in on the cure.

I rarely see thuis type of out rage when the U.S. gov't does these things.............

HotGritz said:

Cerebus said:

Also, what ONE MAN says affects the way you think about all other people who are like him? Your view of the world must be pretty messed up if that's true.

Lastly, what does, "and that medication may not be artificial" mean, exactly? That there's some natural "wonder cure" out there that only Magic's numerous DOCTORS know about?

It only takes one man to speak of what many men think.

To your second comment. YES. There could very well be a "wonder cure" that required a willing guinea pig to test it on. I mean, we did ultimately find a cure for polio. I'm sure one luck bloke was the first to get in on the cure.

http://www.firetown.com/blog/2010/08/12/united-states-patent-5676977-the-cure-for-aids-is-here/

HotGritz said:

Cerebus said:

Also, what ONE MAN says affects the way you think about all other people who are like him? Your view of the world must be pretty messed up if that's true.

Lastly, what does, "and that medication may not be artificial" mean, exactly? That there's some natural "wonder cure" out there that only Magic's numerous DOCTORS know about?

It only takes one man to speak of what many men think.

To your second comment. YES. There could very well be a "wonder cure" that required a willing guinea pig to test it on. I mean, we did ultimately find a cure for polio. I'm sure one luck bloke was the first to get in on the cure.

.........what?

HotGritz said:

Cerebus said:

The amount of money that would be made, saved, and moved by the creation of a cure for AIDS or Cancer is beyond comprehension. It would change the entire face of our planet.

Do you really believe that the governments and the wealthy of the world WANT to be spending billions of dollars a year, none of which they ever get back, treating and caring for these patients?

Do you honestly believe that anybody, or any business, with capability to create a cure or treatment (its not coming from some angry computer virus creating geek in his garage) would not want to immediately be known as the person, or persons, responsible for making those changes, or that they wouldn't want the money associated with doing so?

If there was a cure, it would be made available immediately.

Edit: Also, Magic Johnson has been quite vocal about the fact that the one time he thought he was well enough to stop taking his "cocktail" every FOUR HOURS he got VERY sick.

[Edited 1/10/12 10:16am]

ARen't you contradicting yourself a bit here? First you say that a cure would generate profit beyond comprehension but then you say the government and wealthy of the world don't want to spend billions a year on treating infected patients. Well it seems that a cure, at the right price, would generate billions and give the "governments" and "wealthy of the world" a return on their investment. Also, one could argue that more money is generated by keeping people continuously sick and coming back for more medication rather than a one time cure which would not keep the money rolling in. I tend to believe the latter is true. Profits are to be made off the sick not the healthy.

No. Zero contradiction.

WANT. Want to be treating people. Present tense.

The amount of money that charities and the governments of the world spend on AIDS/Cancer research and care each year is astronomical. I assure you, they do not WANT to be spending all that money that way.

If there was a cure for AIDS, Cancer or both, most of those charitable donations would go towards feeding the hungry of the world, education, or researching alternative energy sources. Who knows where the government spending would go - it doesn't really matter so long as it they could spend it someplace else, or not spend it at all.

Do you have any idea how much money is LOST each year caring for people with AIDS and various forms of Cancer? Who do you think is paying for most of their care? I'll tell you who - we are! With our taxes and our own rising insurrance and medical costs.

Just... never mind... I never should have gotten into this anyway.

Graycap23 said:

HotGritz said:

It only takes one man to speak of what many men think.

To your second comment. YES. There could very well be a "wonder cure" that required a willing guinea pig to test it on. I mean, we did ultimately find a cure for polio. I'm sure one luck bloke was the first to get in on the cure.

http://www.firetown.com/blog/2010/08/12/united-states-patent-5676977-the-cure-for-aids-is-here/

So if a guy on YouTube says it, it must be a true. Because nobody else has access to the same information he does. Nobody else could possibly have researched this information in the last 15 years.

Without apology - I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have as much distrust for government and power as the next guy. In some cases, probably more. But I do for one second believe that if there was a cure for cancer or AIDS that it would be kept hidden from the public.

For one thing, it would benefit the rich and powerful just as much as it would the poor and the powerless. Secondly, money - and money rules all.

Do some research on the other side of this, the NON-cospiracy side, and it should be pretty clear that a cure for these illnesses being kept from the populace at large is an utterly ridiculous notion.

Cerebus said:

Graycap23 said:

http://www.firetown.com/blog/2010/08/12/united-states-patent-5676977-the-cure-for-aids-is-here/

So if a guy on YouTube says it, it must be a true. Because nobody else has access to the same information he does. Nobody else could possibly have researched this information in the last 15 years.

Without apology - I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have as much distrust for government and power as the next guy. In some cases, probably more. But I do for one second believe that if there was a cure for cancer or AIDS that it would be kept hidden from the public.

For one thing, it would benefit the rich and powerful just as much as it would the poor and the powerless. Secondly, money - and money rules all.

Do some research on the other side of this, the NON-cospiracy side, and it should be pretty clear that a cure for these illnesses being kept from the populace at large is an utterly ridiculous notion.

Did I say that? Lol.......yall are funny.

I merely posted some information without comment.

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Cerebus said:

HotGritz said:

ARen't you contradicting yourself a bit here? First you say that a cure would generate profit beyond comprehension but then you say the government and wealthy of the world don't want to spend billions a year on treating infected patients. Well it seems that a cure, at the right price, would generate billions and give the "governments" and "wealthy of the world" a return on their investment. Also, one could argue that more money is generated by keeping people continuously sick and coming back for more medication rather than a one time cure which would not keep the money rolling in. I tend to believe the latter is true. Profits are to be made off the sick not the healthy.

No. Zero contradiction.

WANT. Want to be treating people. Present tense.

The amount of money that charities and the governments of the world spend on AIDS/Cancer research and care each year is astronomical. I assure you, they do not WANT to be spending all that money that way.

So charities don't really want to help people? And as for goverments, what? They would rather spend money on wars that take lives rather than medical research and treatments to save lives? Say what now?

If there was a cure for AIDS, Cancer or both, most of those charitable donations would go towards feeding the hungry of the world, education, or researching alternative energy sources. Um, what? charitable donations ALREADY go to feedng the hungry of the world and toward education and researching alternative energy sources. Charitable donations have gone toward such causes for decades and centuries. Further, for individual donators its is a tax right off so really no money out of their pocket and they get to feel good about themselves.

Who knows where the government spending would go - it doesn't really matter so long as it they could spend it someplace else, or not spend it at all.

Ok that comment makes absolutely no sense.

Do you have any idea how much money is LOST each year caring for people with AIDS and various forms of Cancer? Who do you think is paying for most of their care? I'll tell you who - we are! With our taxes and our own rising insurrance and medical costs.

So if we are paying for it through our rising insurance and medical costs then the goverment and the wealthy have neither an investment nor an interest in findng a cure because its not really their problem nor their money. We the public also have little say in where our tax dollars truly go. Don't you think citizens would rather have their tax dollars go toward curing disease then blowing up villages in some desert nation? How much $$ do you think is lost in caring for the uninsured regardless of their illness? You are speaking of AIDS/HIV from a cost standpoint as am I but you seem to see it as a financial loss whereas I see it as a gain for the pharmaceutical industry who can keep coming up with drugs that will never cure but will always generate money from the public and from the government and the wealthy who "pay" for "reasearch" and "clinical trials". Like I said, more money is to be made off of the sick than the poor its just a matter of who is making the money.

Just... never mind... I never should have gotten into this anyway. You always say that and you always jump in anyway.

Cerebus said:

Graycap23 said:

http://www.firetown.com/blog/2010/08/12/united-states-patent-5676977-the-cure-for-aids-is-here/

So if a guy on YouTube says it, it must be a true. Because nobody else has access to the same information he does. Nobody else could possibly have researched this information in the last 15 years.

Without apology - I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have as much distrust for government and power as the next guy. In some cases, probably more. But I do for one second believe that if there was a cure for cancer or AIDS that it would be kept hidden from the public.

For one thing, it would benefit the rich and powerful just as much as it would the poor and the powerless. Secondly, money - and money rules all.

Do some research on the other side of this, the NON-cospiracy side, and it should be pretty clear that a cure for these illnesses being kept from the populace at large is an utterly ridiculous notion.

THE HELL?

So if I say there is a cure that's being kept from the public you scoff at me but then you turn around and say the same fricking thing! Maybe that was a typo and you meant to say you DONT for one second believe a cure would be kept hidden from the public.

And what next guy are you talking about? He must be a closet politician.

Cerebus said:

ThisOne said:

how???

Ejaculate from oral sex. The smallest tear or hole in a condom.

It still amazes me how many women and men think that oral sex without a condom is safe as long as the guy does not ejaculate in their mouth. What they fail to realize is pre-ejaculate is getting into your mouth so that means you are coming in contact with bodily fluids. So, people, oral sex without a condom is NOT safe!

Here's an interesting documentary about AID$ that's worth a watch if anyone has a couple of hours to spare

another interesting AID$ doc