Darn shame. People get waaaay to caught up in "the four walls" of a church, rather than the Holy Spirit that should be moving through it.
This is when I get frustrated, because I often wonder, "do any of these people who attend these churches actually read the Bible? I mean really read to the point of having Bible literacy to make it clearly applicable to their lives and surroundings? " Long and his ilk are such blatant, in your face blasphemers who exhibit every single last trait that you're taught in The Word about false prophets and those who profane the House of God, and it's like people just turn a whole and complete blind eye to what these preachers say and do, spiritual like zombies. This is not what enlightement through God's Word looks like at all. | |
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Darn shame. People get waaaay to caught up in "the four walls" of a church, rather than the Holy Spirit that should be moving through it.
This is when I get frustrated, because I often wonder, "do any of these people who attend these churches actually read the Bible? I mean really read to the point of having Bible literacy to make it clearly applicable to their lives and surroundings? " Long and his ilk are such blatant, in your face blasphemers who exhibit every single last trait that you're taught in The Word about false prophets and those who profane the House of God, and it's like people just turn a whole and complete blind eye to what these preachers say and do, spiritual like zombies. This is not what enlightement through God's Word looks like at all. Church of Thyati'ra. Rev. 2:19-20 | |
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That's an excellent question.
I sincerely believe that many of them have never even actually read the Bible, and are just going by what they have heard is in the Bible (...from someone else that hasn't read it either, lol). I feel this way because about 25 years ago, I actually read the entire New Testament page by page, and found it to be very hard to read, it took me a couple of months to even get through it. Now while I'll admit I'm not the fastest reader, I found that it took time to actually make sense out of what each one of those words was actually saying (...it even took time to make sense of how they structured a sentence back then), yet nowhere in there did I find half the stuff that many "Christians" claim is in there, lol. And what I did learn from it seems to be utilized by very few people. Based on what I found to be such a challenging read, I don't feel that many people would even take that kind of time to actually go through it all. So no, I don't feel like many of those good church going folks have ever even read the Bible. And even of those that have, seem to overlook the fact that it was written by human beings, with bias' and opinions all of their very own. I found it to contain lots of good metaphors and philosophy, but I never found half the craziness that some people claim is there that they use to justify or validate their own personal agendas.
So while I'm a very spiritual person, believe in an intelligence that is superior to ours, and in an existence beyond this realm that we call LIFE; I'm no fan of any organized religion, and certainly not of these "Mega-Churches". | |
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I hear ya loud and clear, the Bible IS a difficult read: I've been on nonstop structured course study of the Bible since 2008, studies that last generally about 3 months each, and I'm just taking my first break now in winter of 2011. The amount of Greek, Hebrew, history, and theology you need to break it all down is practically overwhelming, but can be accomplished in the correct setting, which is why I suspect a lot of people in these toxic church situations must not be reading nor receiving proper instruction, otherwise I imagine they all would have jumped the New Birth ship by now.
The idea of the Bible being opinion because it was written by humans, I changed my view after I went deeply into study. Primarily because (in the books I've studied) I had to learn the historical background of the people writing them and how the books came about. Outside of the poetical books of the Bible (Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Eccliastes, and Song of Solomon), there are 22 books of history, and 18 books of prophecy. The poetical books are those where I can say, alright, this is open to interpretation (for example Song of Solomon's advice to stamp out your spousal arguments by simply having a roll in the hay
Getting to that point wasn't easy though, it really took a lot of scuba diving into the history of these authors, their lives, etc., to have me see it differently. However, I agree that initialy a lot of the stuff you read in there sounds bizarre and makes no sense, it really all only comes together if you're in an environment where you can really learn the nuts, bolts, nooks , and crannies of what you're reading (and do it surrounded by good people), otherwise it all comes of as a crazy fairytale. For this reason, I believe structured study with a literate Bible authority (who also provides tons of back-up info from scholars and commentaries) is the way to go. It makes it real easy to pick out the wolves in sheep's clothing- almost like those grade school tests where you look at a picture with the question "out of this group, which one of these doesn't fit?" | |
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Ha! Good ole John, the fisherman's son (I did a 12 week study on him, and next to Jesus himself he's just my favorite Bible guy
Also had the whole chapter 2 of Malachi in mind, when he was reading the priests up, down and sideways for all the wickedness they were commiting; man, how much clearer can one get when stating the standard for the pastor of a church?
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You've clearly gone further than I have gone and studied much deeper than I have. I respect the conclusions you've come to and the opinions you have formed, many of which mirror my own.. | |
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Chile, I tell ya, it ain't been easy. But it's been rewarding. I guess finding the right church environment to grow spiritually is like trying on jeans, you gotta try on a whole bunch before you find the ones that fit right and don't look & feel whack. | |
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I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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I'm still looking for a pair of jeans that weren't designed by King James or the JWs. I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. ![]() | |
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A spiritual path is a lifelong journey that only a few take seriously. Much easier to go through the motions and act the part and more and more people seem to be settling for the superficial.
I'm glad that you found a place that supports your growth...it's not easy but you ain't the type to settle for anything superficial anyway. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Some Christians also might stay because of the degree to which they self-identify with the personality-driven nature of a megachurch. It's really easy to get caught up, especially if they manage to get a little attention and attention. The pastor's on BET and TBN, and the camera crew films you periodically. The pastor's #WINNING, and you must be, too! You're a part of it. We scratch our heads about it, but change the context to your favorite NFL team going to the Super Bowl, after years of losing seasons. Everyone loves being associated with a winner. Add to the context poverty or marginalization and the catharsis of a church that embraces you and says you're special and about to walk into a blessing that God has preordained just for you (Ephesians 2:10 -- I'm not mocking or knocking it), and it's easy to see how ministry without integrity can be used to twist a true Word to exploit desperate people. I totally get it. | |
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She was long overdue! It was pretty obvious she would take this action. It's a shame that the church is essentially lying on the behalf of this monster. It really breaks my heart...PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE! It's so backwards it's UGLY! It's Button Therapy, Baby! | |
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This lady can preach
She is the true preacher
She tells people to look inside for the true answers
She tells people to grow up and stop being mindless sheep
i would go to her church
i would put money in the basket
I would also make sure to upgrade my sunglasses before I attended,lol There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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Cadillac Kimberly to the rescue.
She can see a bad fit and a knock-off a mile away! She is not investing her money in a fake/ counterfeit
She knows when you are getting ripped off and will shout it to the heavens,
She knows a [Edited 12/6/11 4:34am] There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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You know...Moses, Joshua and Jesus never charged anyone to listen to them preach.
I think mega churches are full of shit when it comes to delivering God's word but they are good for bringing people together and strenghthening communities.....somewhat. I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. ![]() | |
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ok your posts have my busted up rollin on the floor laughing
But in Atlanta they weren't under the age limit, so technically he isn't a pedophile or sex criminal. No more than Prince laying in the bed with Anna Fantastic until she came of age
But he is a cheat and an 'adulterer' | |
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She is hilarious!!! It's Button Therapy, Baby! | |
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I did a tiny bit of searching just because I was curious what slanderous things were going to be said about his soon to be ex-wife and I was suprised, there's none and probably will be none, it looks like a large portion of his congregation bailed a little while ago. I guess with her leaving a few more will follow. I listened to a few seconds of what Creflo had to say, I missed the CNN interview of his and all I have to say is if I ever heard a minister say the things he was saying about people leaving, I'd of bounced on him too. But then again I don't think a minister like that would have ever appealed to me in the first place. | |
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I get it but I don't subscribe to that method of thinking because I know age of consent laws were probably designed to mostly benefit men and keep them from going to jail for tapping teen booty. Makes no sense that you can fuck and murder but you can't drink.
I remember a few years ago there was some group trying to lower the age of consent to zero in Sweden I think it was. Thankfully that shit got shot down like two pigs and a turkey on xmas eve.
Don't even get me started on Prince. I love the little fucker but something is wrong with him. He is way too fascinated with virgins and that 17-19 age bracket. If he ever dates a woman over 50 it will surely be the last days and the 4 horseman will be riding down sunset blvd whilst purple rain falls from the sky.
As for Eddie fucktard, he's a pedo and sex criminal. It just so happens that he lives in a state where the law protects his greasy-slimy-sweaty palm-jheri curl wig wearing ass. I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. ![]() | |
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[img:$uid]http://www.yourblackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Bishop-Eddie-Long-Picture.jpeg[/img:$uid] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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She probably made the decision after the bedsheets smelled like nut, tears and BRUT cologne again "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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LOOK AT THAT SHIT!!!! Sniffin' boy pannies right thurr in front of errybody! BACK TO HELL DEMON....BACK TO HELLLLL!!!!!!! I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. ![]() | |
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Ole boy got a fondness of ass sweat
Friend: "Hey Eddie, that's a big cup of hot apple cider"
Eddie: "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. ![]() | |
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"Mercy Jesus what's goin on?
My assitant got the computer up and talking about how everybody's going crazy, there's mayhem everywhere. They acting crazy at New Birth cuz Eddie Long has allegations against him for homosexual relationships with the mens in the church.
What's the Emergency, we already know that shit"
2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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We all know that she was the real man of that family. She should've kicked that ass ... em ... fool to the curb a long time ago. | |
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I kinda feel sorry for that congregation, even if it is full of dumbfucks who blindly follow whoever makes them feel pretty. I don't condone his behavoir, but those boys are just as wrong as Eddie is. Sure enough he was having sex with these young men to fulfill desires he had publicly condemned, but when the gravy train stopped they got pissed and greedy. He was the pimp and the boys were his hoes. LOL. What a big mess this is. | |
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Ho! Ho! Ho! | |
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You should read the civil case transcripts. This wasn't a "gravy train" situation where these boys had Eddie as their benefactor. He preyed upon their mothers first and then upon them. He is what one would call a groomer. Once he gained their trust, he got that ass and then made them feel ashamed and as if no one would believe them.
The only thing they can be faulted for is not coming forward sooner. This is not all that different from the Sandusky case. Adult man in a position of power and respect takes advantage of boys from broken and fatherless homes and impoverished communities and makes them feel like they can trust him and that he has their best interest at hot.
Its a big mess alright. Hopefully society will wise up and start cutting these mofos nuts clean off! I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. ![]() | |
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