imago said:

Militant said:

Android has Flash and it's smooth as butter. I know at least 5 people that switched from iOS because they required flash support for one thing or another. Now they've used Android they prefer it as it's a far superior operating system

Android is not far superior .

Of course it is. And with every new release, the gap widens. iOS5 looks like some neanderthal caveman shit compared to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Why do you think all the new features in iOS5 are straight clones of features Android has had for YEARS? The new style of notifications - ripped from Android. Widgets - ripped from Android. Find my Friends - ripped from Google Latitude. The new Twitter integration? A rip of the Android "intents" API, which allows the same thing not only to Twitter, but to any and all social networking websites that integrate that API into their Android app, which is most of them. And again, this has been around for years.

iOS still doesn't even have real multitasking - a small, extremely limited selection of "background process" API's does not = multitasking. For the last couple of years the only thing iOS had over Android was a better, more aethestically pleasing UI. And with Ice Cream Sandwich that's not even the case any more as it's had a complete UI overhaul. And as far as hardware, the Samsung Galaxy S2 runs rings around the 4S.

Guarantee that Apple engineers right now are waiting for the open sourcing of Ice Cream Sandwich to figure out what else they can rip for iOS6.

Militant said:

imago said:

Android is not far superior .

Of course it is. And with every new release, the gap widens. iOS5 looks like some neanderthal caveman shit compared to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Why do you think all the new features in iOS5 are straight clones of features Android has had for YEARS? The new style of notifications - ripped from Android. Widgets - ripped from Android. Find my Friends - ripped from Google Latitude. The new Twitter integration? A rip of the Android "intents" API, which allows the same thing not only to Twitter, but to any and all social networking websites that integrate that API into their Android app, which is most of them. And again, this has been around for years.

iOS still doesn't even have real multitasking - a small, extremely limited selection of "background process" API's does not = multitasking. For the last couple of years the only thing iOS had over Android was a better, more aethestically pleasing UI. And with Ice Cream Sandwich that's not even the case any more as it's had a complete UI overhaul. And as far as hardware, the Samsung Galaxy S2 runs rings around the 4S.

Guarantee that Apple engineers right now are waiting for the open sourcing of Ice Cream Sandwich to figure out what else they can rip for iOS6.

iOS is a beautiful thing. And it was the first mobile phone OS to really be a lovely user experience. Android owes a lot to iOS for breaking new ground, regardless of your personal preference.

Apples unbeaten customer experience rating, says much.

Most users don't give a flying f* about which has the most features or which has the most powerful processor, all they want is something simple and intuitive that enhances their lives. 3% of people out there are tech geeks that care about that shit, according to my completely fabricated personal survey of no-one.

nd33 said:

according to my completely fabricated personal survey of no-one.

As for what most users prefer, 50% worldwide market share compared to 19% says it all about what most users prefer.

And I disagree that iOS was the first mobile OS to have a really lovely user experience. I'd credit that to DangerOS which powered the T-Mobile Sidekick range since 2002. It wasn't a touchscreen paradigm, but it was a unified OS experience that pioneered a great deal of things we take for granted now. It was the first device with always connected data connectivity. It was the first device to have a built-in applications and games store, nearly FIVE years before the App Store. It was the first device that backed up your contacts, information, photos and more to cloud storage and did so since it's introduction in 2002. Android had this feature since it's launch in 2008, and 9 years after the original Sidekick, Apple finally introduce the same idea with iCloud.

It was also hugely commercially successful, particularly through the eras of the Sidekick 2 and Sidekick 3 (2005-2007), selling millions of units and being the most visible tech device in the media, with heavy celebrity usage (Paris Hilton, Snoop Dogg, Tony Hawk, Dwayne Wade) and many appearances in TV shows and movies (The Devil Wears Prada, Superbad, Gossip Girl to name a few).

The crucial piece of information here is that DangerOS was invented by a team of people led by mobile OS genius Andy Rubin. Other members of the team included Joe Britt, Matt Hershenson and UI legend Matias Duarte.

Rubin left Danger in 2004 to found a new company - Android, where he began working on a new OS based upon many of the same ideals he had pioneered at Danger. Google acquired Android in 2005 - important to note that this is 2 years before the iPhone was even announced.

Fast forward to now, and what three people are now at Google working on Android? Yeah - Joe Britt, Matt Hershenson and Matias Duarte.

There's a small - very small - case to be made that Android owes something to iOS. But the truth is that both Android AND iOS owe a GREAT deal more to the ideals and early implementations of these same ideas that were pioneered at Danger, by many of the same people who are key players in Android.

Just a little mobile OS history lesson for anyone trapped in the Steve Jobs "reality distortion field".

Militant said:

imago said:

Android is not far superior .

Of course it is. And with every new release, the gap widens. iOS5 looks like some neanderthal caveman shit compared to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Why do you think all the new features in iOS5 are straight clones of features Android has had for YEARS? The new style of notifications - ripped from Android. Widgets - ripped from Android. Find my Friends - ripped from Google Latitude. The new Twitter integration? A rip of the Android "intents" API, which allows the same thing not only to Twitter, but to any and all social networking websites that integrate that API into their Android app, which is most of them. And again, this has been around for years.

iOS still doesn't even have real multitasking - a small, extremely limited selection of "background process" API's does not = multitasking. For the last couple of years the only thing iOS had over Android was a better, more aethestically pleasing UI. And with Ice Cream Sandwich that's not even the case any more as it's had a complete UI overhaul. And as far as hardware, the Samsung Galaxy S2 runs rings around the 4S.

Guarantee that Apple engineers right now are waiting for the open sourcing of Ice Cream Sandwich to figure out what else they can rip for iOS6.

No, it's not. You're expressing an opinion. (as am I)

Android's multi-tasking doesn't exactly allow the devices to run a whole mess of apps more than iPhone does, and certain at the cost of batttery life (Android devices average 5-6 hours). And it's interface isn't leaps and bounds over Apple's by any means. Even it's mult-touch gestures aren't executed as nicely.

None of the android devices have obtained the same level of customer satisfaction an iPhone has.

We can go on for days about this, but feature bloat doesn't lead one to a 'superior' anything. I can't personally think of anyone I know who plans to by an Android phone.

Besides, Android simply wont' save Flash. Flash is out the door.

nd33 said:

Militant said:

Of course it is. And with every new release, the gap widens. iOS5 looks like some neanderthal caveman shit compared to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Why do you think all the new features in iOS5 are straight clones of features Android has had for YEARS? The new style of notifications - ripped from Android. Widgets - ripped from Android. Find my Friends - ripped from Google Latitude. The new Twitter integration? A rip of the Android "intents" API, which allows the same thing not only to Twitter, but to any and all social networking websites that integrate that API into their Android app, which is most of them. And again, this has been around for years.

iOS still doesn't even have real multitasking - a small, extremely limited selection of "background process" API's does not = multitasking. For the last couple of years the only thing iOS had over Android was a better, more aethestically pleasing UI. And with Ice Cream Sandwich that's not even the case any more as it's had a complete UI overhaul. And as far as hardware, the Samsung Galaxy S2 runs rings around the 4S.

Guarantee that Apple engineers right now are waiting for the open sourcing of Ice Cream Sandwich to figure out what else they can rip for iOS6.

iOS is a beautiful thing. And it was the first mobile phone OS to really be a lovely user experience. Android owes a lot to iOS for breaking new ground, regardless of your personal preference.

Apples unbeaten customer experience rating, says much.

Most users don't give a flying f* about which has the most features or which has the most powerful processor, all they want is something simple and intuitive that enhances their lives. 3% of people out there are tech geeks that care about that shit, according to my completely fabricated personal survey of no-one.

yup.

We don't love our Apple products because of the logo on it. It's just a better solution for me in many cases (hardware, software, AND knock out customer service).

But, we're way way way off track.

My point is that Flash is on it's way out, and Apple had a good deal to do with it, but that even without Job's influence, it was on it's way out anyway.

It will be an astounding transition.

RodeoSchro said:

hendrikus said:

I do not understand much of this post. I thought it was about Flash Gordon

Me neither. And I thought it was about The Flash.

[img:$uid]http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/bigimages/wally5.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yeah...I had kept away 'cuz I was thinking; "Damn! D.C. Comics is killing yet ANOTHER character?"

imago said:

Militant said:

Of course it is. And with every new release, the gap widens. iOS5 looks like some neanderthal caveman shit compared to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Why do you think all the new features in iOS5 are straight clones of features Android has had for YEARS? The new style of notifications - ripped from Android. Widgets - ripped from Android. Find my Friends - ripped from Google Latitude. The new Twitter integration? A rip of the Android "intents" API, which allows the same thing not only to Twitter, but to any and all social networking websites that integrate that API into their Android app, which is most of them. And again, this has been around for years.

iOS still doesn't even have real multitasking - a small, extremely limited selection of "background process" API's does not = multitasking. For the last couple of years the only thing iOS had over Android was a better, more aethestically pleasing UI. And with Ice Cream Sandwich that's not even the case any more as it's had a complete UI overhaul. And as far as hardware, the Samsung Galaxy S2 runs rings around the 4S.

Guarantee that Apple engineers right now are waiting for the open sourcing of Ice Cream Sandwich to figure out what else they can rip for iOS6.

No, it's not. You're expressing an opinion. (as am I)

Android's multi-tasking doesn't exactly allow the devices to run a whole mess of apps more than iPhone does, and certain at the cost of batttery life (Android devices average 5-6 hours). And it's interface isn't leaps and bounds over Apple's by any means. Even it's mult-touch gestures aren't executed as nicely.

None of the android devices have obtained the same level of customer satisfaction an iPhone has.

We can go on for days about this, but feature bloat doesn't lead one to a 'superior' anything. I can't personally think of anyone I know who plans to by an Android phone.

Besides, Android simply wont' save Flash. Flash is out the door.

Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. As of today - with moderate-to-heavy use - my Samsung Galaxy S2 has been unplugged for 7 hours and still has 55% battery left. Some simple mathematics will tell you that I'll get at least 14 hours today. And that's with all my background processes running, wifi turned on, GPS on, etc.

Battery life on a system level was improved at least two major updates ago, and most phones ship with competent batteries now. My Galaxy S2 shipped with a 1650mAH battery. The upcoming Droid RAZR will ship with an 1800mAh battery whilst simultaneously being the thinnest phone in the world (7.1mm compared to Galaxy S2's 8.4mm and iPhone 4S' 9.3mm).

In the early days of Android, the batteries were woefully underpowered. I seem to remember that the G1, the first Android device only shipped with a 1100MaH battery and I did have to buy a third party extended battery. At least I had the option to do that, removable batteries eh, what a novel idea

As for you can't think of one person....... again, 50% worldwide market share compared to 19%. Of my 20 closest friends and family, 17 have Android devices. 3 of them have iPhone 4's. And 1 of those 3 isn't upgrading to a 4S, because he prefers the look, and software, of the new Galaxy Nexus. So 17 of 20 becomes 18 of 20 within a month. And, unlike the cool hipster image Apple likes to project as owning, these people are: music producers, songwriters, graphic designers, chefs, teachers, artists.... creatives, basically.

The reasoning for the Android explosion is easily explained. Firstly, the primary needs of most smartphone owners are to replicate or improve upon the things they already do within their browser. In case you hadn't noticed, Google owns the keys to the internet. People need great Google Search. People need great Google Maps. People need great YouTube. People need great Gmail. People need great Google Docs. People need great Google Reader. These products - especially Search, Maps, Gmail and YouTube are the fundamentals of the internet. I think everyone can agree that using an alternative to any of those 4, in this day and age is laughable. I certainly don't see anyone using Bing, and anyone who publically admitted to using Hotmail would largely be viewed as a neanderthal in 2011. Is there even a popular video sharing site that isn't YouTube? Anyway, the point is that iOS will never offer a better experience of any of these things. The second key to the Android explosion is choice. Choice of hardware - not just low-end, mid-range, and premium, but form factors too. Touch screen only devices, ones with pop-out QWERTY keyboards, ones with Blackberry-esque portrait-oriented keyboards. Hell, I know a few people with the Motorola Defy - which is completely waterproof, which suits their needs if they work around water or are particularly accident prone. There's the Galaxy Note with a 5" screen and there's the Sony X10 mini with a 2.5" screen and everything in between. There's even a device with a built in projector. Point is, everyone has different needs. Apple's approach of "You'll take whatever we decide to give you and that's it" simply doesn't work in a modern paradigm. And unfortunately that's their approach in both hardware AND software (see the numerous apps pulled from the App Store for no reason at all, or in some sinister cases, because they compete with a core iOS function).

purpledoveUK, that's not how it functions at all. it would LITERALLY be impossible to activate a voice command unknowingly.

As for Flash? Obviously the biggest usage of flash across the internet is for video. In that sphere, the biggest challenger to flash is the new open-source WebM video codec that Google have developed, which all major tech companies are supporting, except (surprise!) Apple.

As an OS, Android beats the living crap out of anything Apple puts out.

But where Android suffers is in the fact that it's an open source OS, which means that manufacturers can customize it any way they want to, which means that software updates are not uniform, thus causing some devices to crash or freeze up. And the other big issue for Android is the hardware it runs on. Granted, Android is a wonderful experience for those who have decent hardware to run it, like Samsung or the Droid Bionic, but there are so many cheap knockoff devices with crappy hardware running Android that make people qquestion whether it's worth having in the first place.

And there's also the huge issue of malware. While I'm not a fanboy of the iPhone or the iPad, I give Apple credit for severely restricting the number of apps allowed into their app store and requiring they be tested and re-tested to run on all of Apple's devices without glitches. Google doesn't offer any such quality control for its Android apps, so you end up having crakers putting malcious code for people to download and take out entire networks (hello Balckberry?).

This thread is intruiging...

So, what is an android?

728huey said:

As an OS, Android beats the living crap out of anything Apple puts out.

But where Android suffers is in the fact that it's an open source OS, which means that manufacturers can customize it any way they want to, which means that software updates are not uniform, thus causing some devices to crash or freeze up. And the other big issue for Android is the hardware it runs on. Granted, Android is a wonderful experience for those who have decent hardware to run it, like Samsung or the Droid Bionic, but there are so many cheap knockoff devices with crappy hardware running Android that make people qquestion whether it's worth having in the first place.

And there's also the huge issue of malware. While I'm not a fanboy of the iPhone or the iPad, I give Apple credit for severely restricting the number of apps allowed into their app store and requiring they be tested and re-tested to run on all of Apple's devices without glitches. Google doesn't offer any such quality control for its Android apps, so you end up having crakers putting malcious code for people to download and take out entire networks (hello Balckberry?).

Regarding that, all the major Android hardware manufacturers go through rigorous quality control testing when applying their customisations. I'm talking about HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Sony Ericsson. On the rare times there's been an issue it's been patched almost immediately.

And the hardware thing is true, but you can't expect any OS to run well on substandard hardware. A ten second google search of any piece of hardware will tell you if it's worth your money. You'd have to be pretty clueless to buy low-end hardware expecting a premium experience.

With regards to the last point, malware gets pulled from the Android market. If you install applications from other sources, you better know what you're doing, but if you didn't know what you were doing you wouldn't even try or know that you could sideload apps in other ways other than the Market. I've been with Android since day 1 when the G1 came out in 2008 and there has yet to be any serious case of a significant number of people installing any dodgy software. It's like with computers, the best "antivirus" is simply common sense.

Quality of Android apps is decided by the community, and the reviews and star rating of anything in the Android market will usually tell you all you need to know.

hendrikus said:

This thread is intruiging...

So, what is an android?

Militant said:

imago said:

No, it's not. You're expressing an opinion. (as am I)

Android's multi-tasking doesn't exactly allow the devices to run a whole mess of apps more than iPhone does, and certain at the cost of batttery life (Android devices average 5-6 hours). And it's interface isn't leaps and bounds over Apple's by any means. Even it's mult-touch gestures aren't executed as nicely.

None of the android devices have obtained the same level of customer satisfaction an iPhone has.

We can go on for days about this, but feature bloat doesn't lead one to a 'superior' anything. I can't personally think of anyone I know who plans to by an Android phone.

Besides, Android simply wont' save Flash. Flash is out the door.

Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. As of today - with moderate-to-heavy use - my Samsung Galaxy S2 has been unplugged for 7 hours and still has 55% battery left. Some simple mathematics will tell you that I'll get at least 14 hours today. And that's with all my background processes running, wifi turned on, GPS on, etc.

Battery life on a system level was improved at least two major updates ago, and most phones ship with competent batteries now. My Galaxy S2 shipped with a 1650mAH battery. The upcoming Droid RAZR will ship with an 1800mAh battery whilst simultaneously being the thinnest phone in the world (7.1mm compared to Galaxy S2's 8.4mm and iPhone 4S' 9.3mm).

In the early days of Android, the batteries were woefully underpowered. I seem to remember that the G1, the first Android device only shipped with a 1100MaH battery and I did have to buy a third party extended battery. At least I had the option to do that, removable batteries eh, what a novel idea

As for you can't think of one person....... again, 50% worldwide market share compared to 19%. Of my 20 closest friends and family, 17 have Android devices. 3 of them have iPhone 4's. And 1 of those 3 isn't upgrading to a 4S, because he prefers the look, and software, of the new Galaxy Nexus. So 17 of 20 becomes 18 of 20 within a month. And, unlike the cool hipster image Apple likes to project as owning, these people are: music producers, songwriters, graphic designers, chefs, teachers, artists.... creatives, basically.

The reasoning for the Android explosion is easily explained. Firstly, the primary needs of most smartphone owners are to replicate or improve upon the things they already do within their browser. In case you hadn't noticed, Google owns the keys to the internet. People need great Google Search. People need great Google Maps. People need great YouTube. People need great Gmail. People need great Google Docs. People need great Google Reader. These products - especially Search, Maps, Gmail and YouTube are the fundamentals of the internet. I think everyone can agree that using an alternative to any of those 4, in this day and age is laughable. I certainly don't see anyone using Bing, and anyone who publically admitted to using Hotmail would largely be viewed as a neanderthal in 2011. Is there even a popular video sharing site that isn't YouTube? Anyway, the point is that iOS will never offer a better experience of any of these things. The second key to the Android explosion is choice. Choice of hardware - not just low-end, mid-range, and premium, but form factors too. Touch screen only devices, ones with pop-out QWERTY keyboards, ones with Blackberry-esque portrait-oriented keyboards. Hell, I know a few people with the Motorola Defy - which is completely waterproof, which suits their needs if they work around water or are particularly accident prone. There's the Galaxy Note with a 5" screen and there's the Sony X10 mini with a 2.5" screen and everything in between. There's even a device with a built in projector. Point is, everyone has different needs. Apple's approach of "You'll take whatever we decide to give you and that's it" simply doesn't work in a modern paradigm. And unfortunately that's their approach in both hardware AND software (see the numerous apps pulled from the App Store for no reason at all, or in some sinister cases, because they compete with a core iOS function).

purpledoveUK, that's not how it functions at all. it would LITERALLY be impossible to activate a voice command unknowingly.

As for Flash? Obviously the biggest usage of flash across the internet is for video. In that sphere, the biggest challenger to flash is the new open-source WebM video codec that Google have developed, which all major tech companies are supporting, except (surprise!) Apple.

You ignore the fact of Apples customer satisfaction rating. It is the highest amongst any of the manufacturers. Fact.

http://www.redmondpie.com/iphone-ranks-1-on-customer-satisfaction-charts-study-reveals/

My most nerdy friend has had 3 Androids in 2 years because they haven't been to his satisfaction. And we're talking the big name brands bought from the big retailers, not some shitty knock offs. Wonder when he'll stop blaming the phone manufacturers?

I've had my 3GS since it's release 2.5 years ago. I still love it.

Militant, why do you think Apple rates the highest with customer satisfaction? Why do you think that more people are happy with their iPhone and don't wish to switch to a different phone than people with other phones?

I must say, these kind of "what's the best" discussions are somewhat amusing to me, yet strangely I find myself typing replies

Militant said:

imago said:

No, it's not. You're expressing an opinion. (as am I)

Android's multi-tasking doesn't exactly allow the devices to run a whole mess of apps more than iPhone does, and certain at the cost of batttery life (Android devices average 5-6 hours). And it's interface isn't leaps and bounds over Apple's by any means. Even it's mult-touch gestures aren't executed as nicely.

None of the android devices have obtained the same level of customer satisfaction an iPhone has.

We can go on for days about this, but feature bloat doesn't lead one to a 'superior' anything. I can't personally think of anyone I know who plans to by an Android phone.

Besides, Android simply wont' save Flash. Flash is out the door.

Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. As of today - with moderate-to-heavy use - my Samsung Galaxy S2 has been unplugged for 7 hours and still has 55% battery left. Some simple mathematics will tell you that I'll get at least 14 hours today. And that's with all my background processes running, wifi turned on, GPS on, etc.

Battery life on a system level was improved at least two major updates ago, and most phones ship with competent batteries now. My Galaxy S2 shipped with a 1650mAH battery. The upcoming Droid RAZR will ship with an 1800mAh battery whilst simultaneously being the thinnest phone in the world (7.1mm compared to Galaxy S2's 8.4mm and iPhone 4S' 9.3mm).

In the early days of Android, the batteries were woefully underpowered. I seem to remember that the G1, the first Android device only shipped with a 1100MaH battery and I did have to buy a third party extended battery. At least I had the option to do that, removable batteries eh, what a novel idea

As for you can't think of one person....... again, 50% worldwide market share compared to 19%. Of my 20 closest friends and family, 17 have Android devices. 3 of them have iPhone 4's. And 1 of those 3 isn't upgrading to a 4S, because he prefers the look, and software, of the new Galaxy Nexus. So 17 of 20 becomes 18 of 20 within a month. And, unlike the cool hipster image Apple likes to project as owning, these people are: music producers, songwriters, graphic designers, chefs, teachers, artists.... creatives, basically.

The reasoning for the Android explosion is easily explained. Firstly, the primary needs of most smartphone owners are to replicate or improve upon the things they already do within their browser. In case you hadn't noticed, Google owns the keys to the internet. People need great Google Search. People need great Google Maps. People need great YouTube. People need great Gmail. People need great Google Docs. People need great Google Reader. These products - especially Search, Maps, Gmail and YouTube are the fundamentals of the internet. I think everyone can agree that using an alternative to any of those 4, in this day and age is laughable. I certainly don't see anyone using Bing, and anyone who publically admitted to using Hotmail would largely be viewed as a neanderthal in 2011. Is there even a popular video sharing site that isn't YouTube? Anyway, the point is that iOS will never offer a better experience of any of these things. The second key to the Android explosion is choice. Choice of hardware - not just low-end, mid-range, and premium, but form factors too. Touch screen only devices, ones with pop-out QWERTY keyboards, ones with Blackberry-esque portrait-oriented keyboards. Hell, I know a few people with the Motorola Defy - which is completely waterproof, which suits their needs if they work around water or are particularly accident prone. There's the Galaxy Note with a 5" screen and there's the Sony X10 mini with a 2.5" screen and everything in between. There's even a device with a built in projector. Point is, everyone has different needs. Apple's approach of "You'll take whatever we decide to give you and that's it" simply doesn't work in a modern paradigm. And unfortunately that's their approach in both hardware AND software (see the numerous apps pulled from the App Store for no reason at all, or in some sinister cases, because they compete with a core iOS function).

purpledoveUK, that's not how it functions at all. it would LITERALLY be impossible to activate a voice command unknowingly.

As for Flash? Obviously the biggest usage of flash across the internet is for video. In that sphere, the biggest challenger to flash is the new open-source WebM video codec that Google have developed, which all major tech companies are supporting, except (surprise!) Apple.

Gosh, that' alot of writing.

I can't think of anyone who prefers the look and feel of an Android phone to an iPhone.

Not a person.

I think it's laughable to assume Android is going to save flash.

As far as the Galaxy phones go, they're nice, but

once again.... not superior to iOS. It's silly to even make that statement.

nd33 said:

Militant said:

Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. As of today - with moderate-to-heavy use - my Samsung Galaxy S2 has been unplugged for 7 hours and still has 55% battery left. Some simple mathematics will tell you that I'll get at least 14 hours today. And that's with all my background processes running, wifi turned on, GPS on, etc.

Battery life on a system level was improved at least two major updates ago, and most phones ship with competent batteries now. My Galaxy S2 shipped with a 1650mAH battery. The upcoming Droid RAZR will ship with an 1800mAh battery whilst simultaneously being the thinnest phone in the world (7.1mm compared to Galaxy S2's 8.4mm and iPhone 4S' 9.3mm).

In the early days of Android, the batteries were woefully underpowered. I seem to remember that the G1, the first Android device only shipped with a 1100MaH battery and I did have to buy a third party extended battery. At least I had the option to do that, removable batteries eh, what a novel idea

As for you can't think of one person....... again, 50% worldwide market share compared to 19%. Of my 20 closest friends and family, 17 have Android devices. 3 of them have iPhone 4's. And 1 of those 3 isn't upgrading to a 4S, because he prefers the look, and software, of the new Galaxy Nexus. So 17 of 20 becomes 18 of 20 within a month. And, unlike the cool hipster image Apple likes to project as owning, these people are: music producers, songwriters, graphic designers, chefs, teachers, artists.... creatives, basically.

The reasoning for the Android explosion is easily explained. Firstly, the primary needs of most smartphone owners are to replicate or improve upon the things they already do within their browser. In case you hadn't noticed, Google owns the keys to the internet. People need great Google Search. People need great Google Maps. People need great YouTube. People need great Gmail. People need great Google Docs. People need great Google Reader. These products - especially Search, Maps, Gmail and YouTube are the fundamentals of the internet. I think everyone can agree that using an alternative to any of those 4, in this day and age is laughable. I certainly don't see anyone using Bing, and anyone who publically admitted to using Hotmail would largely be viewed as a neanderthal in 2011. Is there even a popular video sharing site that isn't YouTube? Anyway, the point is that iOS will never offer a better experience of any of these things. The second key to the Android explosion is choice. Choice of hardware - not just low-end, mid-range, and premium, but form factors too. Touch screen only devices, ones with pop-out QWERTY keyboards, ones with Blackberry-esque portrait-oriented keyboards. Hell, I know a few people with the Motorola Defy - which is completely waterproof, which suits their needs if they work around water or are particularly accident prone. There's the Galaxy Note with a 5" screen and there's the Sony X10 mini with a 2.5" screen and everything in between. There's even a device with a built in projector. Point is, everyone has different needs. Apple's approach of "You'll take whatever we decide to give you and that's it" simply doesn't work in a modern paradigm. And unfortunately that's their approach in both hardware AND software (see the numerous apps pulled from the App Store for no reason at all, or in some sinister cases, because they compete with a core iOS function).

purpledoveUK, that's not how it functions at all. it would LITERALLY be impossible to activate a voice command unknowingly.

As for Flash? Obviously the biggest usage of flash across the internet is for video. In that sphere, the biggest challenger to flash is the new open-source WebM video codec that Google have developed, which all major tech companies are supporting, except (surprise!) Apple.

You ignore the fact of Apples customer satisfaction rating. It is the highest amongst any of the manufacturers. Fact.

http://www.redmondpie.com/iphone-ranks-1-on-customer-satisfaction-charts-study-reveals/

My most nerdy friend has had 3 Androids in 2 years because they haven't been to his satisfaction. And we're talking the big name brands bought from the big retailers, not some shitty knock offs. Wonder when he'll stop blaming the phone manufacturers?

I've had my 3GS since it's release 2.5 years ago. I still love it.

Militant, why do you think Apple rates the highest with customer satisfaction? Why do you think that more people are happy with their iPhone and don't wish to switch to a different phone than people with other phones?

I must say, these kind of "what's the best" discussions are somewhat amusing to me, yet strangely I find myself typing replies

I promise it wasnt part of the the discussion I was trying to spawn.

I have absolutely no interest in Android or how it affects the market.

This was about Flash vs. HTML5 and other technologies and how

a ubiquitous software solution can be rendered irrelevant in a span

of a few years.

I'm glad folks have their own opinions about competing products (against Apple)

, yet to say some silly statement, based on opinion. that it's superior to

iOS is just absurd.

iOS is consistently praised by the industry and most reviews I've read pinning

it against Android has them coming out even, with iPhone's hardware being

praised as being more high-end feeling.

But AGAIN, this is about Flash's demise. And how awesome Steve Job's is.

[Edited 10/31/11 22:49pm]

All in all, this thread has never been on topic....

I suggest we ask the mods (or mod) to lock it.

hendrikus said:

All in all, this thread has never been on topic....

I suggest we ask the mods (or mod) to lock it.

hendrikus said:

All in all, this thread has never been on topic....

I suggest we ask the mods (or mod) to lock it.

The original poster doesn't mind. Let it be, fun police!

OK this is a serious question. I thought I would ask on this thread. I updated my Iphone to a new ios taday, downloaded a new version of itunes etc. However, now, when I connect my Iphone to my computer I tunes freezes. There are a lot of blogs on the internet that do not help, so perhaps one of you people knows what to do? You are all experts.

Thanks...

hendrikus said:

OK this is a serious question. I thought I would ask on this thread. I updated my Iphone to a new ios taday, downloaded a new version of itunes etc. However, now, when I connect my Iphone to my computer I tunes freezes. There are a lot of blogs on the internet that do not help, so perhaps one of you people knows what to do? You are all experts.

Thanks...

I still haven't got iOS5 because I'm scared of stuff like this happening I've never been an early adopter, just a laggard first I wait and see how it goes for everyone else.

Are you on mac or PC?

ZombieKitten said:

hendrikus said:

OK this is a serious question. I thought I would ask on this thread. I updated my Iphone to a new ios taday, downloaded a new version of itunes etc. However, now, when I connect my Iphone to my computer I tunes freezes. There are a lot of blogs on the internet that do not help, so perhaps one of you people knows what to do? You are all experts.

Thanks...

I still haven't got iOS5 because I'm scared of stuff like this happening I've never been an early adopter, just a laggard first I wait and see how it goes for everyone else.

Are you on mac or PC?

I'm on a PC. It's not a big problem because the iphone synchronized everything (recovering the content of my earlier I phone) at first. So I can use it for the moment. I don't really need all the apps. As long as I can check my email and agenda I am fine.

Of course, the Itunes problem arose when I was inserting all my Prince bootlegs .... Figures

hendrikus said:

ZombieKitten said:

I still haven't got iOS5 because I'm scared of stuff like this happening I've never been an early adopter, just a laggard first I wait and see how it goes for everyone else.

Are you on mac or PC?

I'm on a PC. It's not a big problem because the iphone synchronized everything (recovering the content of my earlier I phone) at first. So I can use it for the moment. I don't really need all the apps. As long as I can check my email and agenda I am fine.

Of course, the Itunes problem arose when I was inserting all my Prince bootlegs .... Figures

oh, I can't help with PC, I'm PC illiterate

iTunes has not given me grief for all the shit I have in there from dubious sources

I haven't updated mainly because my calendar app is full of appointments that would be a pain if I lost them

No prob. I will figure something out.

I'm an idiot, so I sometimes think I need to do these things to keep updated.

The icloud looked promising, so I installed it, but strangely the agenda and mail on icloud seem to run via outlook? I need Google (and of course I always synced with gmail with my iphone). Perhaps I am wrong. Still some studying to do.....

In any case, the op is correct. The iphone looks cool and that is what matters.

hendrikus said:

No prob. I will figure something out.

I'm an idiot, so I sometimes think I need to do these things to keep updated.

The icloud looked promising, so I installed it, but strangely the agenda and mail on icloud seem to run via outlook? I need Google (and of course I always synced with gmail with my iphone). Perhaps I am wrong. Still some studying to do.....

In any case, the op is correct. The iphone looks cool and that is what matters.

I read an article about the size of the galaxy screen vs the iphone screen size

and how the iPhone screen will never be made bigger because it's designed with comfortable one handed usage

probably for

ZombieKitten said:

hendrikus said:

No prob. I will figure something out.

I'm an idiot, so I sometimes think I need to do these things to keep updated.

The icloud looked promising, so I installed it, but strangely the agenda and mail on icloud seem to run via outlook? I need Google (and of course I always synced with gmail with my iphone). Perhaps I am wrong. Still some studying to do.....

In any case, the op is correct. The iphone looks cool and that is what matters.

I read an article about the size of the galaxy screen vs the iphone screen size

and how the iPhone screen will never be made bigger because it's designed with comfortable one handed usage

probably for

O the right one is the galaxy....look at that pitiful thing.

I have a Flash blocker add-on running on Firefox. One of the best I've ever added. It puts a play button in place of what would normally be automatically loaded and or played Flash so you can choose whether or not you want it to run.

Cerebus said:

I have a Flash blocker add-on running on Firefox. One of the best I've ever added. It puts a play button in place of what would normally be automatically loaded and or played Flash so you can choose whether or not you want it to run.

where have you been?

Cerebus said:

I have a Flash blocker add-on running on Firefox. One of the best I've ever added. It puts a play button in place of what would normally be automatically loaded and or played Flash so you can choose whether or not you want it to run.

Looks, like it won't be necessary shortly.

Adobe is announcing that they are discontinuing ALL flash players for mobile platforms: http://www.macrumors.com/...ile-flash/

The solution is that developers will need to use Adobe AIR to port flash games/videos over to native Objective C apps (for iPhones) and native paltforms for whatever other mobile platforms are out there.

Looks like Adobe's solution to the fact Flash is so processor intensive and a battery drain is to allow easier porting to native technologies for each hardware standard.

No future mobile Flash player updates makes Flash an irrelevent mobile technology within a few years. Looks like the process is hastening.

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[Edited 11/9/11 2:01am]

And there it is:

http://www.theatlanticwir...sed/44735/